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2:23This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, July 3rd, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up the context of those stories, and help each other understand. Today, Dr. Nikki tells us about biodegradable robots, and we have more details on Microsoft's big layoffs, and it has a lot to do with gaming. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Huynh White-Dowell. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. So yesterday, Tom and Jen talked briefly about the news that Microsoft was laying off close to 4 % of its employees. That's around 9 ,000 workers company-wide. Now we know a little bit more about what that means in a few related stories specific to gaming.

3:04I saw a lot of people kind of talking and reporting on the gaming impact of these layoffs. And so I thought, why don't we bring this into the big story and give some of these games a little chance to shine. So Bloomberg had reported that hundreds of employees were let go from the company's gaming division. This follows another round of layoffs that took place last January when the company let go of around 6 ,000 employees across its different verticals. Phil Spencer told employees that workers eliminated in Xbox here this time will be given the opportunity to apply for open roles across Microsoft gaming and also given priority for those positions.

3:44And so what are we talking about here? Well, along with these cuts come a lot of news of direct impact on some of the various games projects and studios that are working via Microsoft and for xbox there's the initiative which is the company's us-based studio shutting down with it the perfect dark reboot this is a game that's been in development apparently since 2018 so quite a long time a lot changes in that amount of time and uh that's apparently being shut down rare is reportedly canceling development of ever wild after first being announced in 2019 so that's another game in development for quite a while blackbird which is an mmorpg from xenomax online studios that's been canceled blizzard has announced its free-to-play mobile game warcraft rumble is no longer going to receive any new content there will still be support in an ongoing basis but they're not going to be developing new content for the free-to-play game and on a positive note quote, none of the first party games that was shown by Microsoft at its Xbox games showcase this year are going to be canceled.

5:01So I suppose at least there's that. A lot of impact on games. I'm sure there are a lot of gamers out there, you know, who are, I don't know. I don't know. When a game is taking like six or seven years to develop, like, are people surprised when it gets cut at the end? I don't know. I mean, I don't think, I think a lot of us aren't surprised. I mean, I'm not much of an Xbox gamer. I haven't been for about a decade and a half. But I think, yeah, a lot of times we're not surprised. We're just deeply disappointed, especially depending on the property. I assume that there's going to be a big Perfect Dark crowd out there that was hoping for the remaster.

5:37I never played Perfect Dark myself, but it's definitely in my mind space as games from that era of gaming when I actually did have several consoles. But, yeah, I think it's always disappointing. But I don't know. I don't think anyone would be surprised just given, I guess, the general vibe of, you know, the industry and especially with Xbox. I believe like Xbox like console sales were down, even though like generally I don't I think Microsoft Gaming is doing well in terms of revenue. That's my impression. It does seem like especially when compared to, you know, the kind of the way that we talk about, say, PlayStation, which is, you know, and also Nintendo Switch.

6:16I feel like Xbox has kind of been not as strong, at least from like a brand identity kind of mainstream. But that's just me. Again, I'm not an Xbox gamer. This might be just my work perception because I have a PlayStation. I don't have an Xbox, but I don't know. I just it just seems interesting. And that, yeah, it just it happens many, many, many times. And sorry, Xbox fans for your losses. Well, and we've got a new Xbox, you know, on the horizon. Maybe not the immediate horizon, but I think the rumor is that we're going to see a new Xbox, what, in not 2026, but 2027, so a couple of years from now.

6:56So it's near-ish enough, something to look forward to. Yeah, having been a gamer in, you know, definitely a previous, a much more previous era to now, I sometimes from the outside looking in have a hard time following kind of where that deep attention actually is. And usually to my mind, it seems to be what's the latest one that launched, right? Everybody's talking about the Switch 2. So it seems to be getting a lot of attention for obvious reasons. It's the new console on the scene. And I wonder, you know, with the next Xbox, if things, you know, have an opportunity, obviously, to get revitalized for Microsoft.

7:34But there also had been rumors after these cuts were announced that Phil Spencer, who, by the way, I mentioned him earlier. He's the CEO of Microsoft Gaming. If Phil was preparing to retire after the release of the next gen Xbox, that, like I said, coming sometime in the next couple of years. The rumor said that he was planning on leaving once that Xbox was released, planned to have Sarah Bond, who's president of Xbox, succeed him. And Phil has directly addressed these rumors on X, stating it was made up. That was his words. Xbox head of comms, Kerry Perez, also told The Verge, quote, Phil is not retiring anytime soon.

8:19To my mind, I mean, depends on how you define soon. probably eventually in two years. That doesn't necessarily close the door. But nonetheless, they addressed it directly. The Xbox legend, because he's been there since basically the beginning, exactly the beginning, isn't going anywhere. Breathe that sigh of relief if that matters a lot to you and what Microsoft is doing with Xbox. All right. Well, DTNest is made possible by you, the listener. We want to take time to thank Philip Shane, Paul Boyer, DLaser, and welcome a new patron, E-Rap. E-Rap. Welcome. What's up? Welcome. Episode prep gets messy when research, Slack threads, and script trackers are all in different places.

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13:36So I think a lot, that's why a lot of times my group would migrate to PC because that's kind of like was the most common denominator between us. Whereas some of us were more Xboxy people, some of us were more PlayStation, but I love that in 2025, that this is, this is a thing now that, that there is kind of like, I don't want to say, I don't know if it's standardized. And again, if I'm mistaken or have a misapprehension, mis, mis, mis, if I'm not understanding the situation, let me know, but I'm just understanding about it. But I just, I also think that's really cool like having that is is a big boon i mean who who knows if this signals sony's intent to do this with more of its uh its exclusive titles but uh nonetheless it's good to see and i think i think players appreciate that samsung seems to have accidentally revealed maybe an accident maybe not revealed its upcoming trifold phone design through animations found in the latest One UI 8 software update.

14:30The device labeled inside of this UI as multifold 7, that's in the animation files themselves, it was labeled that, seems to feature a unique dual-hinge system that allows the two outside panels of the trifold design to fold inward. So that center panel acts as the cover display on the outside, and then one side would fold in, and then the other one has a larger hinge that allows it to fold around the other one that just folded in i hope i'm you know almost like a like a flyer think you know instead of like a z-shaped flyer it's a flyer that folds inwards i'm trying to describe it i'm having a hard time this differs from some samsung's own prototype hardware that they've shown off in the past i actually saw it at mobile world congress and that design did take the z-shaped approach the huawei mate xt ultimate design which was already released out in the market where you can get Huawei devices anyways, launched last September.

15:28That has the Z-shaped folding mechanism. So with the tri-fold design, we're used to seeing that. Now Samsung's Unpacked might be the event, which takes place, by the way, on July 9th, when we see a different approach on the tri-fold design. Yeah, that's super interesting. I anticipate it's going to be very expensive. Yeah, you imagine so. So I'm not pulling my wallet out, but that is really interesting. I think they had referred to the hinge that is being described as like a g fold because if you look at it at the side it kind of looks like a g oh yeah where one of the panels kind of like is it the inner ah that's a good way to think about it yes okay yeah but i get what you're saying it's hard to describe because i guess or maybe like i just recently ate at a restaurant where the menu was like this where it has like the cover and then the the bottom part but so so but it's an interesting it's interesting these designs and how like they and how like which screen is like the cover screen and also just like what it what it might mean for durability like how it fits in your pocket i presume it's not going to be thin because we keep talking about thin foldables but uh yeah yeah yeah and it folds out to like a large screen tablet so you know if you want to always have like an actual legitimate large screen tablet in your pocket that's why you get a trifold we'll see how many people actually really want that yeah the huawei made xd was what three thousand thirty two hundred dollars adjusted for usd so i'm not i'm not expecting anything less much less than that from samsung just because that's the way things go but well google is now rolling out its massively popular vo3 video generation model to more than 159 countries paid subscribers of google's ai pro plan can access the model to create up to three new videos per day google also share that they are working to bring image to video generation into the Gemini app.

17:15So prepare yourselves on TikTok and Instagram and all the short form video, uh, site, you know, uh, services and everything. Cause Vio is already impacting, you know, with, with creations and everything. And now it's rolling out to even more people. So I guess that just means more AI generated video, high quality, uh, by the way, it's pretty interesting stuff. I did actually see a video the other day that fooled me for quite a long time it was i i i think i was on instagram and i i so i don't know where the source of this from i can't say it was vo or something else but it was like i'm a gym rat so it was i got recommended a fitness video and it looked like a trainer was helping his trainee into like a vertical split with her leg right up in the air and it looked so real and i was like wow she's really cool like that's amazing i look in the comments and there's like ai slop and i'm like what are you talking about and i had not noticed that um one of her hands uh terminated in a foot like i don't even know how to describe it like i don't even know what was happening but but just one of like her like she was like holding the leg at first i thought she was holding her leg up you know like a vertical split but it was like her arm turned into her foot yeah and i did not notice because the rest of it looked so realistic like just nothing kind of uncanny valley about it until And I look at the comments like, oh, yeah, that's super uncanny valley.

18:35But it's a little scary how good things can be if you're not paying 100 % attention. You could miss something like a foot hand. Sometimes those things are like an optical illusion. It's kind of like that image that you had to relax your eyes and let them cross in order to see the thing. It's kind of like, I didn't see it was there. And then I did. And now I can't unsee it. Unsee it. Yeah. Netflix is reportedly in talks with Spotify to expand its live programming, looking toward projects like music award shows, live concerts, celebrity interviews, and quick turnaround documentaries. Really trying to kind of go further down the road of like immediacy, I'd say, with the content.

19:13Netflix is looking to attract new audiences and advertisers in its partnership with Spotify. Netflix has already, of course, experimented and tested live content. They've got a weekly WWE Raw broadcast. They've got the major Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight. That was a big deal, the 2025 Screen Actors Guild Awards. So possibly more coming with a partnership with Spotify. Well, Texas passed right to repair legislation, becoming the seventh state to do so with unanimous approval in both the House and Senate. So starting September 2026, Texans and local repair shops will have legal access to manuals, parts, software and tools to fix digital devices sold in the state that cost more than$50.

19:57The law does exclude medical devices, vehicles, game consoles, some circuit boards, and pretty much anything involving trade secrets. Most handheld PCs and consumer electronics are included. The law does not regulate pricing on the replacement parts or tools. More, more, more. Right to repair. Good thing. So when I see this, I am happy. And that's all I got to say about that. I want more states to do it. Apple's iOS 26 introduces a new FaceTime safety feature that will automatically freeze both audio and video when nudity is detected during a call. FaceTime will display a warning once it's detected, giving users the choice to either resume the call or to choose to end it.

20:40The function appears to be active for all users in its current beta form, not just on child accounts. And of course, some people are not happy about that. Like, wait a minute, maybe I don't want that to happen. It's unclear at this point whether Apple will keep it that way or eventually limit it to younger users in the final release. Because this is, after all, kind of like an early release. So we'll see where it all lands. All right. Well, Google plans to roll out its mandatory fix for Pixel 6a phones starting July 8th, 2025. The company is seeking to address battery overheating concerns by pushing out an update that reduces battery capacity after 400 charging cycles to lower the risk of overheating and the potential of fire incidents.

21:25A notification will be sent to users at 375 cycles, alerting them of the upcoming change. Google is also offering free battery replacements for eligible users with impacted devices. I mean, when I think about this, like I plug my phone in every single night. And so like after a year with a phone, it would start to ramp down and severely limit the battery capacity. Like I get it. Like I don't want my phone to light on fire. So it's not that. It's just, wow, that's a short amount of time before suddenly my battery health is like almost halved. That's crazy. i mean even like just thinking about after not after i mean and yeah i agree with you and i think i probably charge it i charge my phone a little too often because i run a lot of apps that eat up a lot of batteries so i probably actually charge it maybe a couple times a day when i'm really like getting my bellatra fix on yeah confession um so it is weird i mean just the fact that oh okay like take this out of it after maybe less than a year my phone has a risk of catching on fire um so yes but also yeah in the absence of fire yes having my battery capacity go down after a year seems really not great especially in the context of the stories we just talked about like right to repair and things like that totally people wanted to keep their phone longer right not great at a time when google is extending the kind of update promise for devices and yet the phone can hardly make it through the day anymore you know even though it's getting five more years of updates anyways it's confusing landscape uh chucky cheese is launching chuck's arcade which is a spin-off concept designed for adults uh the arcade is going to house classic uh cabinets so you know you'll get your donkey kongs and stuff along with modern games halos and that sort of stuff and yes the animatronic characters apparently will be there too adults can win prizes hopefully better prizes than the kids get um also get their hands on retro merchandise and of course I'm guessing well I know because they sell alcohol you can buy lots of beer if that's your thing 10 locations already open in cities like St.

23:31Petersburg Tulsa El Paso and St. Louis when's the last time you stepped foot in a Chuck E. Cheese or have you ever I was 11 okay I was 11 I think um and I I can't think about they're definitely coming trying to come for Dave and Buster's lunch because that was the last arcade thing that I have been to and I was very surprised when I was like, I literally said, this is Chuck E. Cheese for adults. So good on you. I mean, I would go. I would go to a Chuck's Arcade, I think, confession. Sure. Just to see, just for the ambiance. Both my daughters had short stints of Chuck E. Cheese years, you know, where it was like, I want my birthday party at a Chuck E.

24:11Cheese. And so I think I probably went three or four times when they were of that age. You know, also their friends would have a birthday party there. Oh, I am so not sad at all that I will never step foot in another Chuck E. Cheese again that I know of. It's okay. Isn't life better with ball pits though, Jason? Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Yes. I mean, yes. Answer your question. Yes. Ball pits are great. But Chuck E. Cheese, I don't know. I'm okay. Well, those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper. Sadly, robots are not immortal. And there's some surprising reasons why they shouldn't be beyond the obvious hedge against them taking over, which is where probably most of you went when I said that.

24:55Dr. Nikki explains why we need biodegradable robots.

25:00Huyen Tue Dao: Dr. Nikki, welcome back, you and your robots. Beep boop, beep boop. I'm here. My question to you for this story, Tom, is what do you think of when you imagine a robot? Okay. When I think of a robot, I usually think of something anthropomorphic. That's what jumps to mind. Maybe like a more recent Asimov white robot with the face panel and then some joints and kind of jerky in a C-3PO-ish kind of way. What material are robots usually made of? Oh, yeah. No, they're made of like some space age hard polymer, like heat shielding metal, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shiny metal, chrome, et cetera, et cetera.

25:50Well, that may be changing.

25:53Huyen Tue Dao: Tell me more. Researchers have been working on soft robots for a few years for various applications. I've actually seen some of these at conferences. there'd be some like bio-inspired robots where they're inspired by octopuses or worms. So you have like an octopus arm that's like squishy. Yeah, yeah. I've seen videos of these online. Yeah, and they're used to like pick up objects without crushing them or specific ways of locomotion. So if you wanted to shake a robot's hand, you'd be happy if it wasn't like angular and metal and you want like a soft robot. But there is a problem with these soft robots.

26:31They create trash because they're made out of plastic usually. And trash is bad. And so researchers want eco-friendly robots.

26:39Huyen Tue Dao: That makes so much sense. Softbots are a big thing. They're almost their own buzzy thing. But yeah, some of the ones I've seen, the point is that parts of them can be separated, you know, and then left behind so that the robot is not damaged otherwise. I didn't even think of that. How do you make a soft robot not... be another piece of plastic that ends up in the middle of the ocean somewhere. Yeah. So people have been working on this for a few years and you have to tell me like which ones you saw. Did you see them at like CES or? No, I've just read about them. Okay. You're just a robot nerd. I got you.

27:17So in 2022, researchers made a biodegradable 3D printer ink to print robots. It was just a mix of gelatin and sugar. And it printed out this material that they kind of printed into like a tube and it could be stretched six times its length and you could reuse it five times before eventually it just degraded and biodegraded. Okay.

27:38Huyen Tue Dao: So that was a few years ago now, three years ago. Where are we now? Well, this year researchers came out with a biodegradable soft robot that kind of looks like a polygonal worm and they're calling it an origami robot. Both the robot and his controller, which I thought was cool that they thought of that, are made of a combination of plant cellulose that's like stretched into thin layers, kind of like a sheet of cellulose. And then it's connected with glycerol and it is able to decompose just like you and me. What's glycerol? Is it like a sugar-based? It's a sugar-based solution that's kind of works like a glue, I think, in this instance.

28:22And it kind of hardens the cellulose sheets as well.

28:24Huyen Tue Dao: Gotcha. Okay. Um, but you know, robots aren't only casing. They actually, in this case made sensors. So the like conductive electrical sensors out of pork gelatin and they're conductive, uh, with the ions flowing through it when it stretches, which I thought it just kind of blew my mind. I didn't know this, you could do this. So, okay. Yummy. Um, yeah. And they're calling this an origami robot because it's modular. So you could add on multiple versions and it's because it's like kind of polygonal, it like folds along the different seams like an origami. So it can like squish down kind of like a slinky and it can fold and move around just depending on how the user wants to control it.

29:04Huyen Tue Dao: Okay. So you've got a robot made of a bunch of plant materials, some sugar glue and spam. How sturdy is that going to be? Well, according to the researchers, it withstood a week of heavy use and then they buried it, which, which. Was it a funeral? They dug a hole on campus, apparently, at the University of China, I think. And eight weeks later, they came back and pulled it back up. And basically the robot was almost entirely decomposed. OK, so you could put it through a week of heavy use and it didn't break down. Didn't fall apart. But then if you buried it a couple of months later, it's it's almost entirely degraded.

29:46Huyen Tue Dao: that's pretty impressive. Yeah, I thought so. So there's a lot. And also the part that I liked about this project, it was an engineer who just like called up a friend and was like, hey, you want to build a robot? And then it turned into this project. I've got some leftover pork gelatin from my takeout order. We can make some sensors. This is great. But obviously robotics always have a ton of future applications. So we've got some cool things to look forward to for this, I think. One of the things that the team suggests that this could be used for is to clean up like hazardous waste and kind of like soak it all up and then later on dissolve somewhere else, remove it from where it is.

30:25Oh, okay.

30:26Huyen Tue Dao: So like soak up the hazardous waste, go somewhere else where it's okay or safe. And then the entire robot just dissolves in a safe location. Oh, okay. Yeah. I can see that. They also are thinking about applications in medical applications and like surgery where it can help in a surgery and then just dissolve into the body. I think I would want them to like figure that out first, but yeah, that could be something. But yeah, like I could see like a smaller soft robot being able to squish into parts of you that are hard to get at, uh, you know, do, do some meticulous work and then, you know, just like stitches dissolve now.

31:04Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. I hope they make a vegan version for, you know, but I was thinking about that when we were talking about the point Allison earlier. They did say they need to figure out a way to do a biodegradable power supply or battery to kind of complete this whole circuit. But this is a fairly big step in robotics, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. No, the power supply is a really good point. And there are some, there is some work on biodegradable battery materials out there. So that's not an impossible thing, but that would those algae batteries yeah yeah exactly um i i wonder if this ends up being like those biodegradable bags though where they they don't fully biodegrade in the compost heap but they also don't hold up as well if you use them too long so i i hope they can strike a better middle ground than those do usually the two things that i thought about with this unfortunately is one, does it smell weird because of the pork gelatin?

32:04And two, like, are we on our way to like human flesh robots? And I don't know if I like that because that sounds icky.

32:13Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, because you can grow human flesh from a stem cell. You can 3D print human flesh, right? We talked about that. You can 3D print a soft robot made of human flesh. And it's biodegradable. I'm not saying you should, but that's a thing that could happen. next year's future predictions. We'll talk about flesh. Well, before the soft robots come and take us all, hopefully we have some time and you'll be able to catch up with Dr. Nikki elsewhere. Where should they go? Yes. You can find me at Nicole Ackermans.com. And I'm also at that handle on blue sky. Fantastic. Thank you, Dr. Nikki. Fascinating.

32:49Especially when I think, did you ever see the movie inner space? This is like 80s Joe Dante film with Quaid and Martin Short was in it. Did you ever, am I speaking a different language to you right now? No, it's not coming to me, but that sounds familiar. Well, part of it is that Martin Short is in a craft. Is it Martin Short that's in a craft that's stuck inside or is it Quaid? Anyways, one of them is in a craft that's inside the body of the other. and I never thought about like the decomposition of the craft if it gets stuck inside the body forever and ever I certainly wouldn't want that in that weird future so that's fascinating oh my gosh I have I I thought of a couple things so I thought of have you um Jason and I are both horror heads have you ever seen the Cronenberg movie Existence no I haven't at all do I need to watch that add that to my list it is definitely Cronenberg so so kind of relating back to the console conversation from earlier in that movie there is a concept it's not real real tech but there's a concept of like biologically grown technology so you plug into in a very Cronenberg way I'll save any detail for uh less horror liking fans in the audience um biologically grown game pods and you can just take it from there um but then I also thought of like yeah I gotta add that my friday night watch list then oh yeah it's it's it's it's good it's it's definitely a trippy trippy thing and it's definitely cronenberg kind of gross so anyway um but it's so cool i it's so funny because as i'm listening all of these different like sci-fi references have popping into my head like oh it's like that and oh it's like this so it's actually really exciting that some of these things be coming true all right well what do you want to hear us talk about on the show well one way to let us know is in our subreddit submit stories and vote on them at www.reddit.com, our daily tech news show.

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35:50All right, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. And today, David is helping us understand. David writes, Hi, I was listening to your conversation with Andy Beach about provenance in AI. And while I feel strongly that creators such as the BBC are not being adequately compensated for the value being extracted from their context, I agree that it will be a tricky knot to unpick. I wonder if the best solution will be something like the Spotify model where the AI companies have a set amount, perhaps calculated as a percentage of their profits. And it is apportioned to creators on the basis of the fraction that their content makes of the whole OpenAPI corpus.

36:27Best wishes, David. Yeah. And I've heard this before, the comparisons to, yeah, well, maybe we go the Spotify model. Let me just remind you that in the Spotify model, the people who are actually making the music aren't making anything. You know what I mean? Unless they're ridiculously popular. The publishers and all the other people who are involved are making a lot of that money. And so I don't know that it's the best model, but AI is maybe a little different because you're talking directly to the publisher. Sure, there is no intermediary, at least none that comes to mind to me. So maybe that is the right model for it.

37:03I don't know. I have a feeling we're going to, you know, in the next couple of years, going to figure that out. We're going to get a lot closer to what that solution actually is. Hope so. What are you thinking about? If you have insight into a story, you can share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Big thanks to Dr. Nikki and to David for contributing to today's show. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. you can keep us in business by becoming a patron at patreon.com slash DTNS. Tomorrow's a holiday. We'll see you on Monday.

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