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2:15Huyen Tue Dao: this is the daily tech news for friday june 26th 2026 we tell you what you need to know that's not 26 but we do give you important context and help each other understand today more price increases I don't know by 26 or not, but also a couple of price decreases. Oh, too good to be true. Well, kind of in one case. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm going to put it out. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. Yeah, so shortly after Apple announced its price increases on Thursday, Microsoft followed suit and said, that's a great idea. Let's do another price increase for the Xbox. So effective August 1st, and if you hurry, you might be able to get one in the next month.

2:58Huyen Tue Dao: Uh, Xbox said we will be updating prices worldwide. The price of Xbox consoles will increase by$100 US for the 512 gigabyte models,$150 US for the terabyte models, and they will be getting rid of the two terabyte model. Uh, basically, I guess it's just too expensive. If you have to ask how much two terabytes is, you can't afford it. Microsoft can't afford it. So the range goes from$600 to$800 for the four models of Xbox. $600 now, the cheapest Xbox you can get, or will be on August 1st anyway. Microsoft says the price of memory has increased two and a half times since the last time they increased the price of the Xbox in October.

3:39Huyen Tue Dao: This is the third price increase since May 2025. And they expect it to double again pretty soon. The Xbox Store is now offering 12-month installment plans, though. You can do a buy now, pay later. and they're working with retailers to make it easier to get used systems or previously played or whatever they call it. But that way you can get a less expensive Xbox that way. What's getting less buzz today are the price decreases. And we have actually three of note. The first is also from Microsoft. The 12-inch Surface Pro now starts at$849 instead of$1 ,049. and the 13-inch dropped from$1 ,150 to$950.

4:24Huyen Tue Dao: So both Surface Pros now start less than$1 ,000 again. Still not as cheap as they were before the price increases earlier, but, you know, coming down in price. One little catch, though. They do come with half the RAM. Eight gigabytes of RAM instead of 16 gigabytes of RAM. And because they only have eight gigabytes of RAM, they don't support Copilot Plus. Although I'm imagining some people may look at that as a positive. The second of the three, Commodore has lowered the entry price of its Commodore Callback 8020 phone. It now starts at$399 instead of$499. You don't get the packaged-in earphones if you choose the$399 price.

5:05Huyen Tue Dao: And your memory chip will be a refurbished one, though still under the same one-year warranty. Basically, for$100 less, you don't get the earphones. The other notable price decrease, though, is a real one. This is the more impressive one. Frameworks Laptop 13 Pro DIY Edition is now cheaper if you configure it. Frameworks says it was able to source and qualify Gen 5 solid-state drives from A data that are faster, speeds are 11 ,000 megabytes per second, and cheaper. So if you placed an order for a configurable, this price doesn't affect the pre-built ones, but if you placed an order for a configurable Framework Laptop 13 Pro DIY and you asked for a 500 gigabyte drive, you now get a terabyte drive instead.

5:57Huyen Tue Dao: No extra cost. And there's now a two terabyte option available if you want to upgrade to that. Okay. Go Framework. Yeah. So Framework's got a real price decrease. And they're like, we're actually going to give you a terabyte drive for the price of a 500 gigabyte drive. Commodore is kind of fudging things where they were like, OK, we understand a lot of you didn't like$499. So let's take the earphones out and we'll use a cheaper source of RAM because it's all about RAM with all these things. Microsoft is the one where we're like, we'll just give you less RAM and charge you less. Ta-da, price decrease.

6:34I did think it was interesting that the little RAM version is not coming with Copilot Plus, just highlights just the origin of all this, of course, is like the, I mean, that's not specifically what it is.

6:44Huyen Tue Dao: But the reason that there's a RAM shortage in general is generally AI, of course. Related but not actually causal is, you know, yeah, lower RAM versions would not be able to run AI, which does seem important to a lot of people these days. I mean, it could still run AI in the cloud, obviously. But yeah, it doesn't get all the local Copilot Plus stuff. Local as well. Yeah. I mean, none of this seems surprising. It's just more like, oh, when is the next price increase coming? It's, I don't know. I mean, we just talked about this yesterday as well, I guess with the iPhone stabilizing, but with the other hardware that Apple offers increasing in price.

7:24I don't know. At what point, are we just going to continue to be shocked by this? or we could at some point just realize, well, this is like an opposite of the – was it the – dang it. Not Murphy's Law.

7:38Huyen Tue Dao: Murphy's Law is everything that can go wrong will. Every price increase that could happen will happen. But the other one with CPU density doubling every – Oh, Moore's Law. Moore's Law. Right. Not really the opposite. The price will double every 18 months. Every 18 months. Yeah. Yeah, I look at the price decreases as a source of hope because what this shows is, we always underestimate this, people will come up with ways to work around. I used to say the internet routes around. Whatever you try to stop on the internet, people figure out how to get around it. And we do that with all kinds of things.

8:16Huyen Tue Dao: So framework just kind of going around and saying, hey, anybody else got cheaper parts? Oh, cheaper SSD? Still good quality? We'll take it. Like you're going to see companies come up with innovative ways to address this and serve their audience. The smaller and the more agile the company, the more creative they're going to get. That's why you see Framework doing this the best. Commodore is still kind of early doing it okay. And Microsoft doing it the least and in fact having to increase prices. The other thing I think too is like this won't last forever. It always feels like it'll last forever.

8:49Huyen Tue Dao: Remember when it felt like GPUs would never come down in price? Yeah, and they eventually did. So two years from now, I don't think we're talking about RAM prices skyrocketing anymore. Hopefully at least stabilized, maybe even coming down. Who knows? I do think this is an interesting point that maybe this also is a good time to focus on how much RAM we really need, which has not been a problem per se. But especially with, say, buying phones, obviously I think about smartphones a lot. And something I did think about, just a small personal data point, is when I bought my Z Fold, I forgot how much RAM.

9:22but there was like the max out ram which i assume is like 12 or 16 and then whatever the mid range was was like four four gigabytes down and as someone who just uses a lot of smartphones likes and is like i guess a power user if you want to call that i kind of basically went the top you know whatever the top spec was by automatically but with foldable phones they just start off so expensive it's like maybe i'll just pocket a some more a hundred you know a few hundred more dollars and i have not noticed it and i think i wonder if that's also a thing well even before ai you know whether the average person really understands how much you know the ram matters and even for someone like for myself boy i feel like fairly tech savvy even though i i sort of know i i kind of just as a consumer still kind of assume oh the top tier is probably what i want um another data point and he doesn't listen to the show so i can embarrass him my husband was telling someone how much ram he put into his pc back when ram was affordable i think he had like a ridiculous amount like 128 256 to the point where the motherboard can even read it yeah um and so i think we're sorry baby he won't listen to this um he really should but he really it's okay um uh i i do think it's interesting that maybe not that not that i think the prices are reasonable or reflects you know actual utility versus you know like an actual like increase in value per se outside of like the demand for ai but it might be a good time for us for all of us to kind of better understand like i guess what ram capacity we actually need depending on what our use cases

10:53Huyen Tue Dao: are yeah i 100 agree uh i used to think uh get as much ram as possible because you'll never regret having too much ram right you'll likely grow into it and ram's so cheap right and that second part of the equation has now gone away and now i can't be irresponsible and say yeah just get as much ram as possible i have to be like okay how much do i really need and we have reached a commodification in both uh laptops and phones where like you say having more ram may not really make much difference in your life even if you keep the phone for three or four years yeah absolutely so i mean maybe a small silver lining out of this we'll all understand how we use resources a little better yeah especially this one that's a good one all right well we really appreciate not just you know the days of cheaper ramp, but also wonderful listeners like you who make this show possible.

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15:00Huyen Tue Dao: There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right. Well, former Android faithful host and current Android community engagement manager, Michelle Roman, has given a full sneak peek into Android 17's foldable gaming mode. The Android open source project AOSP now has a system level virtual gamepad. The top half of your foldable has the game and the bottom half becomes the controller surface. because it simulates hardware button presses at the system level. It can work natively with any game that has standard controller support, though the game does have to be adaptive to the screen.

15:36That means you're going to get twin thumbsticks, a regular D-pad, A, B, X, Y, action buttons, a start button, and full support for not one, not two, but three tiers of shoulder buttons, L1, L2, L3, and R1, R2, R3. You can customize the layout and include buttons as well. and there's a hide gamepad button if you want to use touch controls for a game that works better that way and you use the whole screen and if you connect a physical controller the virtual one goes away automatically foldable gaming mode should come within the final release of android 17 in

16:11Huyen Tue Dao: the next few months i love this and i was curious if you as a developer also love this because it seems so elegant to say, well, emulate isn't the exact right word, but just for casual conversation, we'll emulate a physical controller. And then all you have to do as the manufacturer is make sure this works on whatever screen size your model is. And all you have to do as a developer is make sure your game is adaptive to the smaller screen if it's going to squeeze up into the half, which I don't know that seems like something you would probably do in a lot of cases anyway yeah um it's really cool if you're not a foldable person you know basically what you do is you kind of fold your foldable sort of in half into an l shape and it just has this real game paddy like feel to it so i think generally as a gamer and as an android developer i love the experience yeah just like thomas showing now if you're you're watching the video it's it's honestly really cool it's got nintendo ds vibes or something um in terms of just how you hold it and interact with it i always love And just to say that game development for Android is quite a bit different.

17:18It's like an entirely different skill set to, we'll call it bunny fingers. Regular app development, we're all important, but it's quite a bit different. But to say that I love this, something that I do like a lot about AOSP and this, the kind of, the entire story of Android is how much they, I mean, I know your personal opinion or experience about this might matter. But I feel like the team that works on AOSP has cared a lot about inputs of various kinds from the entire time. And so having this just feels like a big win, especially since – and I'm definitely a gamer. And I'm definitely a mobile gamer, but not the kind of mobile gamer that would generally need a D-pad on their phone.

17:59But I know that this is a very big segment of folks. and it is kind of really cool to see people actually doing proper like again bunny quotes or bunny bunny ear air quotes uh real gaming on phones uh and so this is just really cool um i think it's really awesome and i do i am curious about like things like latency and whether you know kind of like i wouldn't say high twitch but yeah high twitch games work as well um through something like a touch surface being translated to these things and and and all that kind of stuff when it's not a physical button. But regardless, I think it's really cool and it probably does work for most things.

18:34I don't know where they put all those shoulder buttons, where you would put three tiers of shoulder buttons. Although I guess there are some gaming phones that have like, what do they call them? Air touch pads where it's... But yeah, it's really cool. And it feels, in a way, it feels very Android-y to me. So my Android level of heart is full.

18:56Huyen Tue Dao: That's good to hear. Yeah, I think one of my favorite things about it is that it doesn't presuppose the answer to a question. It doesn't say, well, nobody needs shoulder buttons. It's like, you know what? We're making a thing that can act like a controller. Controllers have shoulder buttons. Let's put them in there. Maybe nobody uses them, but they're there. And then someone will figure out how to use them, right? And I like that where they're not trying to tell you, the implementer, what to do with it. They're just giving you the most complete set of controls that you can take advantage of. And then you as a user, like you said, can also customize it as well.

19:31Huyen Tue Dao: I think that's it's kind of a win for everybody. Yeah. Again, that feels very Android-y. Reminds me of like large screens when they were giving us all this large screen stuff. When, quote, again, bunny ears, no one was using tablets. Yeah. And of course, they kind of changed their mind and be like, hey, guys, no, seriously, support large screens because they're becoming a thing. This is definitely more optional. But yeah, for sure. I think that's definitely an Android-y. Give you the capabilities and people will figure out how and when to use them. well tiktok and youtube have closed 4.7 million accounts for users younger than 16 in indonesia after that country put restrictions in place in march uh this is the first announcement of numbers we don't have numbers for other platforms like meta roblox yet so we'll wait to hear those but that's a lot of accounts uh with more countries putting in these kinds of restrictions it's good to check on how the existing ones are working at keeping teens off the platforms and scientists from the University of Newcastle have published a study in the British Medical Journal where they surveyed 408 Australians aged 12 to 17 three months before Australia put in restrictions on social media for teens and three months after to kind of get their idea of usage.

20:40Huyen Tue Dao: Now, granted, this is self-reporting. It's 400, which, you know, is a small sample size, but it's a legitimate one. But as always with these sort of studies, like this is the first study, which gives you an indication of what you might find out when you do in continued studies. However, I think it's pretty impressive. 85 % of teens younger than 16 said they continued to use TikTok, X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and Snapchat, or at least one of those. You might think the teens would be predisposed to go, oh, no, no, I'm not breaking the rules. But if that's the case, that means only 15 % of them felt that way.

21:19Huyen Tue Dao: So it's at least 85 % of them, I think, that are saying, nope, nope, we're still using this stuff. About two-thirds of them said they had overcome age checks in order to do so. Now, that's interesting that you've got another third that's like, we didn't overcome an age check, but I think there's an explanation of that coming in the later data. They grouped the percentages by age group. So when I say 24 to 39 % of them encountered questions asking their age, that means like, you can go look at the study, but for one age group of 14, it was 24. For another one, it was somewhere between 24 and 39.

21:56Huyen Tue Dao: And for the top group, it was 39%. But yeah, 24 to 39 % of them only countered a question that said, are you over 16? And so they lied and said, yes, I am. 13 to 27 % uploaded a selfie that got them past the age check. They're like, yeah, I just put up a selfie. And it's like, oh yeah, you're over 16, even though they weren't. 15 to 19 % used fake accounts and nine to 29 % used someone else's account. And that's the ones where it's, you know, they didn't encounter an age check because they were just using an older person's accounts, like having someone go into the liquor store to buy the beer for you.

22:35Huyen Tue Dao: Around 11 % said they used private browsers. And I thought this was interesting. Almost statistically indistinguishable from 0 % use VPN. They're not even bothering to be like, well, let me log in as if I'm from another country. Overall usage stayed the same for 12 to 13 year olds, declined among 14 to 15 year olds and grew among 16 year olds. Could mean that the The 14 and 15-year-olds were more embarrassed to say they were continuing to use it. I don't know. And the 16-year-olds were like, no, F man. Yeah, they're proud. We're going to go ahead and use this. It's so interesting. I mean, I suppose, especially being a young person during the early days of the Internet, I am not unsympathetic, nor am I surprised that a not insignificant portion of teens continue to use the Internet or found ways around certain things.

23:30um yeah really interesting i i'm actually fascinated by the selfie depending i guess depending on age group and again we have to look at the data closely to see i would assume that the closer you are to 16 the easier it is to pass a selfie check uh presumably with your own selfie or maybe somebody else's selfie but yeah um i yeah i'm not surprised yeah i i don't think this

23:51Huyen Tue Dao: is going to be a shocker at anyone it was sort of assumed like you know kids are going to get around this. I honestly didn't think it would be 85 % admitting it. I thought it would be closer to 50 % that there'd be more kids who would be like, well, it's fine. I don't want to break the rules. I think that shows the... I want to choose the right word here. The motivation to use social media is very strong. Some of that's positive and some of it's negative. It's like, oh, I want to talk to my friends and or I'm addicted to it, right? Like it depends on how you think of it. And it's different for different people.

24:31Huyen Tue Dao: But that motivation is strong enough for 85 % of them to figure out some way to continue to chat with their friends and follow other accounts. I also wonder, you know, and this is not easy to measure, but also parent sentiment on this kind of thing as well, because you said there are positive reasons to use social media, for sure it's not black and white and that's kind of like the the interesting thing about some of these like bands across across the world because i mean i i definitely will raise my hand as someone who's very skeptical about the and very concerned about the negative parts about you know uh self image uh social dynamics on on social media but at the same time i personally and also generally believe that there are really great benefits from you know interacting with people on social media finding interest people that community but that it's all very nuanced and hard to legislate at a at a broad level so i i just be really curious and i don't know everything is nuanced so i i think like i i'm sympathetic to the laws that try to ban it outright just because it feels like a problem that can get out of hand and that it is hard to to litigate legislate whatever l word you want to use there yeah on a personal small scale on a fine-grained scale but and but then the this The flip side of this is like, yeah, people are just going to people.

25:47And if you or your parents really want you or allow you or think it's okay, then we're going to find ways to get around it. It's technology. Yeah, absolutely. So. All right. Well, thanks to our Debra. I'm sorry. Thank you to our W Nash for posting this one on our DTNS subreddit. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says Apple's first touchscreen laptop expected later this year will use an M5 chip, not a next-generation M6. The follow-up model is being tested with the M7 Pro and M7 Max. Apple is also planning a Max Studio refresh with M7 Max and M7 Ultra chips in 2028. The company is skipping M6 generation Pro and Max chips altogether.

26:30The M6 will only be used in entry-level Max, and the M7 line is designed to handle more on-device inferencing with support of about 250 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth.

26:42Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, this is all German sources saying this. This is not an Apple press release, obviously, but he's pretty good with this stuff. And it makes sense to me that they are realizing what they have with their new Gemini-powered models, designing the M7 to take the best advantage and keep that privacy as strong as possible with the on-device handling of it. And that means why spend time doing the M6, put the M6 in the entry-level stuff and just move on to M7. I don't know how the supply chain restrictions of any of this affect it, but I don't think you have to include that in the analysis to understand why they might go, oh, yeah, no, M6 is only really going to be good for that.

27:23Huyen Tue Dao: We already have so much going on with the M7. Let's just truck on into that space. Yeah, absolutely. Although I do feel bad for some of my friends working at big companies who are waiting really hard for those M6 MacBook Pros. I have to wait a little bit longer or just go ahead and upgrade to the M5, y 'all. Just get those bucks, but get those – wait, what would be? Get those gigahertzes? Get those gigs. Get those gigs. Yeah, and you'll end up getting an M7 instead of an M6. So there's that upside to it too. You know what else you should get? Because it's stylish and practical in the summer. Gwen, do you know?

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29:53The new date is also reflected in an editor's note on the blog post about the program, so it's not a typo.

29:58Huyen Tue Dao: I'm shocked, shocked that Microsoft extended a support date. They've never done this more than a dozen times in their history. The U.S. Office of the National Cyber Director and the Office of Science and Technology Policy have reportedly asked OpenAI to release GPT 5.6 to a list of approved customers before pushing it out to everyone a couple of weeks later. OpenAI has done this before with its own stuff like GPT 5.4 Cyber, though the US government wasn't involved and didn't get to have input on who those early access customers were in the past. Well, Bloomberg sources say that OpenAI is considering pushing off its IPO until 2027, partly because of recent volatility, but also because of certain projects it wants to finish while still a private company that does not have to answer to public investors.

30:53Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, that's part of the story that came out earlier in the month, I think. And they're throwing a lot of smoke of like, ooh, volatility, volatility, we might want to delay. And I think it's a little of both. This one is very interesting. U.S. military's targeting principles were revised in April. They don't have to tell anybody when they revise them, so it took this long for someone to go like, hey, looks like they revised these, to envision, quote, systems where AI initiates actions with human monitoring. That's different from what it described before as having human-in-the-loop systems where all actions were initiated by humans.

31:34Huyen Tue Dao: It also added a line that, quote, the speed of future warfare, along with our adversaries' own advances in AI may require the joint force to adopt completely autonomous systems, adding that this requires the establishment of unambiguous ethical guidelines to mitigate concerns with AI-enhanced decisions. The military told Bloomberg in response to a question about the new changes that the department's AI technologies do not autonomously select or strike targets. It ensures commanders remain in charge of every decision empowering them to act on the most current and accurate operational picture possible.

32:13Huyen Tue Dao: So my take on this is what they've actually changed is in the past, a human would initiate targets and the system would go, yeah, that's a good one, or I don't know. Now the system is saying, I think this is a good target, and the humans are then approving that target. The thing that really unsettled people is like, maybe in the future, we'll just have autonomous systems, because a lot of people are very concerned about that. Yeah, it's like this last statement makes us, tries to make us feel better, but then the previous statement, the first statement that you read said, but you know, maybe. Anyway.

32:47SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell told investors that it plans to launch a mobile phone service for U.S. customers, adding a new competitor to the market, dominated by AT &T, Verizon, and T-Mobile. U.S.

33:00Huyen Tue Dao: Department of Transportation has proposed changes to federal vehicle regulations that would let manufacturers not have to include a manual brake pedal for an autonomous vehicle that doesn't have a steering wheel because it's not designed to be operated by a human. A rule requiring the steering wheel was taken out in 2022 if it's fully autonomous. So they're like, do we need the brake pedals too? Like you can't even steer the thing. That's not unfair. All right. Well, thanks to Motang for noting this one on the DTN. I read it. Notion will shut down its email client on September 22nd because awfully very few people were using it to look at email, instead letting Notion handle emails autonomously.

33:41Huyen Tue Dao: TechCrunch has an article on ASUN Labs, A-E-S-O-N, which wants to create pods throughout the city of San Francisco that would be meant for autonomous taxis to get cleaned, inspected, and recharged. The idea is to reduce the miles those cars have to drive to go back to fleet yards to do all that right now. All right, well, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, Paul has some more thoughts on why the iPhone escaped Apple's price increases. Yeah, Paul says the reason might be pure speculation that since other phone manufacturers are announcing price hikes for their current phones, Apple is going to use this as a look at us moment to say how they are looking out for phone consumers.

34:25Huyen Tue Dao: Also, since a new phone is due out later this year, that would be when the price hike comes since it will be new hardware. where I kind of feel like Paul's second paragraph is the one that nails it for me. I feel like Apple's good enough at supply chain that they didn't have to increase the price of the iPhone yet because they had that all locked up, but they're probably going to have to when they announce a new one. Yeah, and they've been propping us with the increases on the other hardware as well as, of course, all the messages we've talked about from Cook and other executives about how it's unavoidable, we can't shield you guys forever.

34:57Yep. Fair enough.

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