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2:51Jenn Cutter: This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, September 29th, 2020. We're almost out of September. We better order more. We tell you what you need to know, give you important context, and help each other understand. Today at Dev Days, OpenAI reigns in Astra 6.1 but unleashes proactive dots upon the world. More dots. Please, OpenAI. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. OpenAI dev days are happening. Sam Altman took the stage this morning. There's plenty of news that broke even before that, though. So we'll get there in a second. OpenAI says it will not release GPT 6.1 Astra in October as planned because of safety concerns found during internal testing.

3:40Jenn Cutter: Sashi Jain, OpenAI's head of safety systems, said that 6.1 Astra performed poorly on alignment. Alignment is doing what a human would like you to do, not just going rogue. Also showed higher levels of deceptive behavior, where it did not always tell users what actions it did or did not take, and exceeded scope authorization. That's where it would sometimes just use a tool without asking first. 6.1 Astra is not one of the models that OpenAI had previously paused recently. So this is in addition to other pauses. The company plans to use the model to help it improve future models, including the cause of these problems.

4:20Jenn Cutter: So you're not getting 6.1 Astra is what this tells me. They're just going to look at what happened with it and use that to improve other models. However, OpenAI did release GPT 6.1 Soul, which it says can almost match Astra, costs less, and bonus is safe to release. OpenAI apologized for its model's unauthorized access of Australian government website data and has set up a group to develop policy recommendations for managing risks while also funding security defense in Australia. And OpenAI reopened subscriptions to its$200 a month plan, but at a reduced level of credits that you can use before you have to pay per use.

5:01Jenn Cutter: It also removed the five-hour cap on usage. So now whatever you get with your$200 a month plan, you can use whenever you want. There's not going to be a limit on it. And OpenAI is adding a$500 a month plan. That's right. For a mere$6 ,000 a year, you get higher usage limits and ultra fast, faster processing speeds. We haven't even got to the heart of the dev days stuff, Jen, but what do you make of this so far? Well, I was laughing at the$500 a month plan, but then when you put it into context of like, okay, so it's six grand a year. And I'm like, okay, for business, that's nothing. That makes perfect sense.

5:39My brain's like, oh my God, that's outrageous. And I'm like, well, they're not selling it to me. I'm not the target audience.

5:44Jenn Cutter: And don't forget there's the$20 a month plan for people who just use it a little, right? And don't care about always having the fastest, most recent model. $100 a month ain't bad for, I want access to the faster, newest models, but I just don't need to use it as much. And then it goes to$200 when I need to use it some more, $500 when I need to use it a lot. And beyond that, you're just paying per token. But no, I keep getting hung up on the Australia stuff. I've been trying to think of like analogies and I'm like, okay, Like if somebody went into my room, whether they like took anything or not, I'm still going to be real upset that they went into my room.

6:23And you can apologize and like buy me a lock after.

6:26Jenn Cutter: Yeah, no, I like where you're going with this. You told them it's OK to go in your room, but you told them not to look in the closet. And then they opened and looked in the closet. They didn't take anything from the closet. But you're like, I told you not to look in the closet. You're not allowed to look in the closet. What are you doing? Like your Christmas presents are in there. Come on. Yeah, well, and that's why we're getting to the whole reason that like F6.1 Astra isn't out because it keeps doing that thing without people saying, hey, you can do that thing. Yeah, which to me, that's a very good sign that OpenAI's new safety procedures are not going to just go like, it's probably OK.

6:59Jenn Cutter: They are now going to say, oh, if it's being deceptive, if it's not telling you what it's doing, that is not performing the way we want it to. And we will not release that. A little bit of a like making a big deal out of it. But I guess with the current climate, you got to make a big deal out of it. Yeah, like they found it first. They didn't find it after. And I am pro finding things first. Me too. All right, let's get to the Dev Days stuff. OpenAI introduced ChatGPT spaces. This is a collaborative space for teams to work together on and with ChatGPT. In fact, you can add ChatGPT to things by saying at ChatGPT using the at symbol.

7:40Jenn Cutter: There's a plugin for meetings where it can take notes and add them to the space for you automatically. It's available on pro, business, and enterprise plans on desktop and eventually mobile. And Spaces comes with pages and slides to help manage your documents and presentations. It can generate them, but OpenAI is saying like, this isn't meant to replace Office. You can actually code your own plugins and stuff too. This is just a way to easily manage those pages and slides that you make. Codex also getting a persistent reusable cloud environment that you can access from any device. You could spin up cloud environments before, but then they went away.

8:16Jenn Cutter: This one will stay. The Codex command line interface can now be operated by voice. That's something if you use the CLA, you're probably very excited about. And Codex Security Cloud will scan GitHub repos on demand and on schedule if you want to. Also, whenever there's a commit, if you want to, to investigate those new commits, remove duplicates, prepare fixes, stuff like that. But the big announcement from Dev Days, the hero announcement was Dots, D-O-T-S, an always-on proactive agent that can use a computer and pull information from connected apps to do research, make documents, code software, all the things that ChatGPT work can do right now, but proactively.

9:00Jenn Cutter: Users set permissions for what it can do. OpenAI says it's testing specialist Dots for corporate customers. Dots will roll out to all paid users right now, and you get one. Although ChatGPT says in the future they could see letting people have more than one. I'm guessing they're going to charge for that. Your dot does not count against your ChatGPT limit, interestingly. It does count against your Codex tokens if it's using Codex to do stuff. So manage your dot carefully. You can interact with your dot through the ChatGPT app, through Slack and Microsoft Teams. And OpenAI says it's working on letting you text it, just like OpenClaw.

9:44I want to start with the Codex CLI stuff. You've got more experience with AI things in general. Have you used any of the AI tools you've been playing with in a CLI? Or have you just been using like a basic chat interface?

9:57Jenn Cutter: A couple of times here and there, but mostly I don't need to. I'm not I'm not doing things at that level that other people are are doing it. So so, yeah, I I do know people who are and I know that some of those same people love talking to chat GPT and the ability to like combine that where they can just say it, I think, is a nice little perk, a nice little feature. Yeah. Well, that was my next question is like, so do you talk to your agents or are you just typing because you find that faster? Uh, again, I'm not a very good example of your typical, uh, user of this stuff. Uh, and I, I don't, because I'm lazy.

10:40Jenn Cutter: I don't want to have to press the button that makes you chat. I also just like writing things out more than I like talking, honestly. Um, which is odd for a podcaster to say. Uh, but, but yeah, I'm, I think again, I'm not representative though. I think there is quite a bit of usage logged out there of people who are talking to these. Justin Robert Young is a great example of somebody I know who just like opens up the voice interface on ChatGPT, goes on a walk and chats to it over his headphones and brainstorms and comes up with stuff. Yeah, well, I bet people out there are going to be using the Codex CLI and talking to it.

11:17So if you are doing that in the future, do tell us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com because we want to hear it.

11:23Jenn Cutter: I don't want it to get lost. that Dots is the star of the show. That's where we're going because proactive agent is kind of a four-letter word right now. It's being positioned by some of the folks in the press as being a Muse competitor because Muse can also do some proactive things. I think these are clearly very different in that Dots is very productivity-based and Muse, well, we have some news coming later that they're moving into corporate environments a little more, is more of a personal thing. But it's clearly the new product is a personal assistant, something that can say like, hey, I noticed you haven't responded to this thing yet.

12:00Jenn Cutter: Or like, ah, I knew you wanted to get back to Jen. So I prepared a draft for you to look over, you know, to make it faster for you. Those are the kinds of things that Muse and now Dots are going to promise to be able to help you do. Yeah. And I love the promise of it. I genuinely love the promise. I am terrified to connect this to my stuff. Yeah, it's funny. I don't quite have the confidence yet, but I also kind of hope to someday. I have varying levels of confidence with varying tools. I don't like the idea of meta connecting to my Gmail because I'm just not fully assured that they won't accidentally grab things.

12:42Jenn Cutter: There's a story kicking around out there about Microsoft reviewers looking at co-pilot images that are unfiltered. Uh, so there's some of that stuff kicking around out there that gives me pause, but I'll be honest. I have connected email to chat GPT, uh, because I know enough about it to know like, okay, there's some pretty good, uh, firewalls here to prevent it from being misused. And I've got some ways to tell if it were, and it hasn't yet. So I feel okay about that. Yeah. Getting there. It's getting there. Like we're running out of September, but I kind of feel like by the time we're running out in November, we might still see a really big leap in these kind of proactive agents for normal people.

13:24Jenn Cutter: Yeah, this is definitely one of the new product types that everybody's trying to push. DTNS is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to Miranda Janelle, that Charlie dude, Justin Zellers and Chris Taylor. Thank you all very much. Yay. Y 'all rock. I used to be the person who hunched over my laptop mid-meeting, typing furiously to catch every word, and missing half the conversation because I was too busy transcribing it. That's the problem Granola fixed for me. Granola is an AI-powered notepad that makes your meeting notes useful. It captures what happens in your meetings and turns it into clean, structured notes with decisions and action items pulled out and made easy to find.

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17:50Jenn Cutter: There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right. Got to do our usual quick PSA here. Apple has fixed a security vulnerability for iOS 26, iPadOS 26, and macOS 26 that may have been exploited by hackers. The bug could be used to launch, quote, an extremely sophisticated attack against specific targeted individuals on versions of iOS before iOS 27. That is very specific. It does not mean it is you or me, but it is good to know that it is out there. The Apple security notice noted the core graphics bug was found by Meta product security. The important part here is get out there and get patching people.

18:31Yeah. Just so everyone knows. And then because new phones always have new problems. Sources claiming to know what's up inside Foxconn's supply chain said that final assembly yields for the iPhone Duo were only slightly above 60 % as of earlier this month. Now, pre-orders for the duo open October 16th and are supposed to be in people's hands by October 23rd. That's not a whole lot of time to turn things around. The source said, and it sounds like they said it really carefully, that it could take another six months to a year for a mature yield under Apple's current quality standards. Keywords there.

19:12China's Jimin News says Samsung displays foldable OLED panels and Hitch components had experienced low yields, resulting in delayed deliveries. The source also told Jimin News that the global stocking target for the iPhone Duo in 2026 is only 6 to 8 million units compared to a standard iPhone target of 20 to 30 million. A report from Chinese site My Drivers claims that a contract manufacturer asked Apple to choose between prioritizing yield and increasing output.

19:42Jenn Cutter: Yeah, there's a lot of really easy ways to misunderstand this story. Uh, the, the short version, uh, for users who want to order a duo is the shipping time may extend faster than usual, right? Like you may be one of the people who gets it shipping on October 23rd. Uh, but because they're making fewer of them, that shipping time is going to push out a little faster than it did in the past. So we're back to those days of like mad scramble if you want to get it on day one. Uh, but it's not like they're not making them. It's not like they're not going to have them on October 23rd. They're just not going to have as many.

20:19Jenn Cutter: The other thing that I think is really easy to misunderstand here is the quality thing. It could sound like, oh, so I have a higher chance of getting a defective duo. That's not what the manufacturers are asking for. When they say we want to reduce the quality control efforts that Apple requires us to do, what they're saying is let us make more iPhone duos that don't pass inspection. and then have to be scrapped. That raises your scrap costs, right? The number you have to get rid of. But what they're gambling on is, but then you'll have more duos in the end that aren't defective that you can ship.

20:59Jenn Cutter: And Apple doesn't like to do that. They don't like to waste. They want to keep the scrap costs as low as possible. So they have very high quality standards for that reason. And when you have those high quality standards, it does have a knock-on effect of fewer defective iPhones down the road as well. But it's not like you would appreciably get more defective duos if the manufacturers got their way. It's just that it would raise the cost for Apple a bit. And you're already looking at a$2 ,000 US phone. So I was really happy to actually see some stores try to put some numbers on it. Like, OK, so like, yeah, we know that standard iPhones, like you're looking north of 20 million so that everyone on Earth has one.

21:38Six to eight million for this new kind of flagship, because like it's also it's a smaller market who wants foldables in the first place. That was interesting number to me because I would have guessed like four to six. So that's more than I thought was going to be happening there.

21:53Jenn Cutter: Oh, yeah. No, that is an interesting point. Like, you know, it's not going to be a standard iPhone level of demand just because of the price and the newness. Right. But apparently Apple was was targeting big demand. And and colloquially, I hear from people who buy iPhones. No, I didn't get the 18. I'm waiting for the duo more than I think I would have thought. Like, I love it. I like I am well known as not a foldables person. I love the look of the duo. I love the things it could do. It would be useful in my life, but I know I can't afford it. So I'm going to be watching everyone else to to see how they go.

22:34And I kind of can't wait to get to an Apple store at some point and touch one. I just need to know, should I start saving now for Duo 2 or whatever? Because I would have to start now.

22:44Jenn Cutter: Eileen was looking at the new lease option for iPhone 18. And she's like, I can get it for$5 a month. But she's still not biting because she's like, but I do want to look at the Duo. I do want to open it up first, you know, and see what it looks like. I think a lot of people are there. And a lot of people are just, you know what? I don't say this in a derogatory way. They're Apple fan people who want to have the newest Apple thing, right? And try it out and be able to have an opinion on it. You know, not necessarily that they'll love it, but they're like, I want to be one of the first people to try this out and tell all my friends about it.

23:21Jenn Cutter: All right. It is now time to tell you something you can tell all your friends about. Anthropics IPO. We're not going to get super financial here. These are the things you need to know to understand it if you're interested. and I imagine you're going to be hearing a lot about it. So it's part of our mission to help you understand. Details from Anthropics S1 filing for its IPO that had not been made publicly available have been leaking out in places like Reuters and the Financial Times. Usually that happens because the company wants to find out what public opinion is. So they sort of allow it to leak out.

23:56Jenn Cutter: Anthropic lost$42 billion in 2025. Okay. But don't pay too much attention to how huge that number is. Revenue in 2025 quadrupled to 4.6 billion, mostly, however, from two unnamed clients. So they got most of their money last year from a very small customer base, but that base is already expanding. Operating expenses for Anthropic. So these are the day-to-day operation costs, running your data centers, running your compute reached$13 billion. So$42 billion isn't how much they're spending on data centers and running computers. $13 billion is. That gave it an operating loss of$8 billion. So again, when they say they lost$42 billion, don't pay attention to that.

24:43Jenn Cutter: They lost$8 billion last year. Why the huge loss? Why do they say$42 billion. It gets pretty financially wonky pretty quickly, but basically 34 billion of that is financing. That will probably, they hope, eventually be converted to shares once the company IPOs, at which point that's not money you have to pay someone. They got to share in the company. It's not lost money in the sense of running the business. It's not money they spent on compute and providing services to customers. And Anthropic is not going to slow down on spending actual money. Anthropic plans to spend$518 billion in the coming years, years, multiple, to cover its cloud computing and infrastructure obligations.

25:30Jenn Cutter: A lot of those deals cannot be canceled. So that is significant. It's a lot of money over an unknown number of years, but it's money that it has to make because it can't get out of it. And it is. Revenue in Q2 alone was$11.5 billion. That already passes all of 2025 in one quarter. Every prospectus like this also has to warn you of the risks the company faces that might prevent it from succeeding. So limited client base, you know, you never know what the market will want. Maybe everybody just suddenly turns against us and doesn't want our product. All that stuff is in there. But in the one third of the filing devoted to risk factors, Anthropic included that models might manipulate, blackmail and exhibit other unpredictable behaviors and may pose existential risks to humanity.

26:20Jenn Cutter: Anthropics investors think it can list at a valuation of beyond$2 trillion. So that would pass SpaceX, make it the most valuable IPO to date if that happened. And one other interesting tidbit from the filing, one to file away in the back of your head. Anthropic is creating a new entity as part of the IPO called Founder LLC. LLC. That is made up of Anthropic's seven co-founders who are all there since they migrated from OpenAI to form Anthropic. It includes CEO Dario Amode, of course. That founder LLC will control one share of Class F stock. The only share of Class F stock. Class F means it comes with 50.1 % voting power over not all, but many key anthropic matters, including the election of board members.

27:14Jenn Cutter: Now, there's also a long-term benefit trust that has been set up for a long time that exists and has power to elect other board members. So you'll now have the trust and this new founder LLC basically controlling the board. And you and I who buy Class A shares on the open market. We'll get voting power, but not so much the power over the board. Finally, Anthropic also released Sonnet 5.5. It's the company's most capable model yet, which it says is good for coding and creating documents, is 30 % faster than Sonnet 5, and burns tokens at a slower rate. Sonnet models are less powerful than the Opus models, but they're better at things like agentic coding and are good enough at security that it is subject to the same safeguards as Opus and Fable models.

28:00Jenn Cutter: A lot going on there in the world of Anthropic, Jen. Yeah, my mom started her career as a bookkeeper and finished it as a CFO. And so when OpenAI and all those people were starting to talk about IPOs and stuff, I was like, okay, mom, can you break this down for me? And she just laughed and walked away and uttered some things about, you could have gone to business school, but no. I'm retired now, get away from me. You had to be into journalism. But yeah, so I really appreciate this kind of explainer so that I know what's going on because there's so many big numbers out there. But I think people who are only like sort of paying attention to boards and stuff kind of might be a little more aware of the power boards have with what was going on with WordPress.

28:45Jenn Cutter: Oh, yeah. Right. Absolutely. Okay. Controlling that board is a huge deal going forward. And the board that tried to remove Sam Altman years ago. Right. And failed in that attempt. though they temporarily succeeded for a weekend. That kind of corporate intrigue I know is interesting to some folks. The biggest one I think is important is that it is fair to criticize Anthropic and say, I don't think they can make the money back, but it shouldn't be based on the $42 billion that you're seeing. Because if it was, it'd be like, well, obviously$42 billion lost. That's crazy. What's going on with these companies?

29:20Jenn Cutter: And that's a misunderstanding of what's going on. It is an achievable thing to make up the$8 billion they lost. And the incredibly rising revenue points in the right direction. The question is, how long does it rise? And what is the multiple? And can the demand get there? It's so easy to look at this and think like, oh, they just set all that money on fire. And companies are wasting all this money on this. And like, well, companies keep giving them money because they're seeing something back. Yeah, they're either going to get the stock in a company that's going to possibly be worth$2 trillion, which is a valuable gamble, or they're expecting them to hit profitability in a couple of years, which is a totally normal thing for companies to do.

29:58Jenn Cutter: Spend, spend, spend at a loss until you're suddenly making the money, and now you're fine. People said the same thing about Facebook. They'll never make money, and now Meta is, of course, one of the most valuable companies and profitable. Yeah, and I can't wait for the leak of who the two unnamed companies are. the u.s government and i'm sure there's some betting market action going on right oh yeah check calcium i bet you can find out all right we have some science news here for you because we do like science a study by scientists at the university of delaware demonstrated a way to use batteries to remove co2 from the air cheaply the battery is nickel hydroxide so it's not your phone battery, but pretty close to nickel metal hydride AA and AAA batteries.

30:46CO2 reacts with hydroxide at the cathode end, usually what we think of as the positive end, and becomes carbonate or bicarbonate. That passes through the battery's membrane to the anode in the way that all batteries work, and the lower pH turns the carbonate back into CO2. Instead of charging the battery full of electricity, you're driving it to make hydroxide and in the process, capturing CO2. In a lab test of nine cells, the battery used 0.8 megawatt hours per ton of captured CO2. Current carbon capture facilities usually require 1.5 to 3 full megawatts per ton. Several of the scientists who authored the paper are operating a startup called Repair Carbon, meant to commercialize the technology.

31:35They believe that with scaling, they might be able to get the cost down to$92 per ton of captured CO2. $100 per ton is a long-held goal in carbon capture, and Ars Technica points out that a company called Sea Limeworks is hoping to get its capture technology down to$250 per ton by 2030.

31:56Jenn Cutter: Yeah, sorry, I had a typo in the script. This is my fault. It's Climeworks, like climate. it. But yeah, this is really, really interesting advancement of technology. The idea of using a battery to capture carbon isn't new. There have been people demonstrating the possibility of that, but figuring out how to get it to work in an efficient way is the big advancement here. And this, like anything involving batteries, even though we're talking about carbon capture here, not battery technology in general, may not be the thing that does it. But the more swings you get, the more chance that one of these actually becomes a really cheap way to capture carbon.

32:37Jenn Cutter: And then once you get that carbon capture cost below$100, it becomes a lot easier to create systems that value it or allow people to go like, yeah, okay, I'll do that. It's worth the carbon credits to be able to do that, et cetera. Yeah. I'm a big fan of this kind of stuff versus like carbon capture versus carbon offsets. One of them, it feels a little more measurable long-term. Well, the idea with the carbon offsets is somebody needs to be capturing the carbon to offset it, right? And so we need a cheaper way to do that. Folks, we have a Daily Tech News Show store. I know there's some of you out there like, man, I wish I could justify supporting you on Patreon or Substack all the time, but I can't.

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35:04Jenn Cutter: Let's get to the headlines that make you look smart. Framework announced that pre-orders for the AMD Ryzen AI Max Plus Pro 495 Framework Desktop Mini PC will start on Wednesday. We have not seen a price yet. A lot of people have been excited about that one. Meta launched a free-to-use with limits, so you pay if you go past the limits, Muse for small business. So you can connect it to your business software, Asana, Zoom, Intuit, Box, Canva, Slack. This is separate from the reported enterprise version of Muse that hasn't launched yet, but they're expected to do that too. Kalo, Q-A-L-O, announced the SL1 smart band that will track the usual health data like sleep, blood oxygenation, heart rate, skin temp, and more, all without a monthly subscription.

35:57The SL1 smart band is available now for$199.95.

36:02Jenn Cutter: Yeah, Kalo makes a ring and they think they can convince people to wear the ring when they're like out to dinner and then buy the band and wear it, you know, when they're at the gym. I don't know about that, but a non-subscription band. I like that. Opera added an eSIM to its browser for Android. You get three gigabytes of free data for three days when you install it in select locations. That's provided by holiday.com. But the idea is to get you to buy your eSIMs through the Opera browser after that. In Google Death Watch news, The Undertaker has come for Google Assistant, which has now been entirely replaced by Gemini and also Gems.

36:45Many tasks created in Gemini are being shut down. Your Gems will now be moved to skills starting November 17th. And like, I appreciate when companies name things basic, but sometimes they're a little too basic and I get confused as to what product does what. So now Gem is a skill. I'm like, okay, great.

37:02Jenn Cutter: I mean, it always was. I was always a little confused why they had to give it a fancy name, but okay, here we are. Police in the Netherlands arrested a 24-year-old man in connection with the Shiny Hunters Group, who most recently made dues as being accused of accessing personnel data at the US FBI. Krebs on Security has three sources who say the arrested man is reformed convicted criminal Pepin van der Stop, who was convicted of data theft and extortion in 2023. AMD is taking more steps into physical intelligence with an agreement to acquire World Labs, founded by Stanford University's Fei-Fei Li.

37:39Jenn Cutter: The physical intelligence watch continues. Smart ring maker Ura announced it's going to delay its IPO. Not the first and probably not the last to delay an IPO. Last week, they launched it. This This week, it's delayed due to market uncertainty. Nothing introduced the Headphone One Pro wireless triple driver noise cancelling headphones, and they'll be available September 29th for$3.99. And as a minority of us still using Firefox right now to read this script, Mozilla launched Firefox 157, and you're getting that new Nova, Project Nova theme. So it's a big redesign. that brings back compact mode, among a bunch of other improvements.

38:25Jenn Cutter: So you might want to check it out now. There's dozens of us using Firefox, myself and Google. Literally dozens of us. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, Brian has a positive take on the meta muse charm. Yeah, and just to give Brian fair play, he was very down on Google Books because of Google killing things, but he did have this positive aspect of his post. Meta charm. Love it. My daughter and I collect and make buttons and patches that we place on our backpacks, travel, work bags. If we are able to customize that display image to what we want and it's now interactive, then it could definitely bring us a little more happiness.

39:08Jenn Cutter: I have not looked for pricing. It will be a non-starter for me if it's too much more than the current electronic badges, smart LED badges, or digital display pins. not worth it for me if it's over a hundred bucks, unless it does something truly magical that I'm not seeing. Yeah. They haven't given us a price yet. That's going to make all the difference for a lot of people. Yeah. I would be really impressed actually, if they managed to make that even around a hundred bucks, nevermind underage. I mean, metal does like to subsidize by, you know, turning you into the product and selling you ads. So not impossible.

39:39Jenn Cutter: We'll see. We'll find out when we find out you'll hear it here. What are you all thinking about? Do you have some insight on a story? Do you have any feedback? Is there something we missed that you need us to know about? Please share it with us over at feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Big thanks to Brian for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along, listening, watching Daily Tech News Show. You are the folks who keep us in business. Become a patron right now and join us, won't you? Patreon.com slash DTNS, please. The DTNS family of podcasts. Helping each other understand. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program.

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