OpenAI’s Social Sora Gamble - DTNS 5117

0:03Jenn Cutter: This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 2nd, 2025. Now, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will try to tell you what you need to know, follow up on context and help each other understand.

0:14Andy Beach: Today, is OpenAI's Sora app a hellscape or a playground? Why not both?

0:20Jenn Cutter: I'm Tom Merritt.

0:21Andy Beach: I'm Jenn Cutter.

0:22Jenn Cutter: Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. now open ai is in the news for being valuable and also viral let's start with the value it completed a valuation of the company which was necessary to let employees cash in some of their shares since the company's not public that put the company's valuation at 500 billion dollars that's that's uh that's one half uh actually that's exactly what elon musk is valued at So anyway, it makes OpenAI the highest valued non-public company. That's ahead of SpaceX, speaking of us. And that is up from$300 billion, which is what it was valued at earlier this year when it conducted a round of financing with SoftBank.

1:04Jenn Cutter: OpenAI, as I mentioned, also has a little viral buzz because of a new app called Sora, which is generating more interest than Meta's similar feed in Meta AI. Sora, the app, lets you use Sora 2, the model, to generate 10-second videos. And the trick is you can include yourself. You scan your own image into the machine, and then you can make a cameo that will put you in the videos. And then if your friends allow it, you can also add your friends. Or you can say, make my cameo available for the entire world, and anybody can put you in a video if you want. You're in charge of that. But 404 Media's Jason Kebler has an article about all the copyrighted material that can be found in Sora.

1:48Jenn Cutter: Usually what I've seen is SpongeBob, Nintendo characters like Mario, some Rick and Morty stuff. And some of those are made in tasteless ways, as Kebler points out. TechCrunch points out that there is an endless supply of fake videos of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. Now, granted, every video on this app is fake. So pointing out that they're fake is kind of redundant. But it also points out that Altman made his cameo available for anyone on the app to use. In my personal experience, I found that there is just as much stuff being blocked as being allowed. I have constantly run into this content may violate our guardrails concerning third party likenesses when I tried to put myself in videos sometimes.

2:31Jenn Cutter: Also, I saw other people putting Luke Skywalker in a video. And then when I tried, it was gone. So maybe that's a game of cat and mouse they're doing. To their credit, OpenAI scientists John Hallman and Boaz Barak both posted on X that they had concerns about this app. Barak posted that Sora 2 is technically amazing, but it's premature to congratulate ourselves on avoiding the pitfalls of other social media apps and deep fakes. So, yeah, I've been trying this app out, and I think there's a little bit of breathless concern out there and a little bit of legitimate concern out there. So Jen, I know you haven't gotten into this yet.

3:06Jenn Cutter: What kind of questions do you have about it?

3:08Andy Beach: Well, the first thing that I saw, I was like, I knew it was launching obviously. And then because nothing on social media stays on one platform, everything migrates, everything goes everywhere. So I saw a ton of videos and the big concern from the InfoSec lawyers on my feed is like, okay, great. People who use the app know it's fake. People who use Instagram and Reels and TikTok and Blue Sky may not necessarily know the origin of this video. And then they kind of put it in the, this is all deep fakes that could be used for misinformation category. But again, they're coming at it from a strictly legal perspective.

3:45Yeah.

3:45Jenn Cutter: And I think that's a fair concern. It's not a new concern, right? I think the only thing that's different about this app is that maybe more videos are being made and shared because it's got a little viral buzz around it. But VO3, Nano Banana, like there have been plenty of examples of this happening recently where those kinds of videos get shared. And I think we are going to go through this every time there's an advance in this technology, right?

4:10Andy Beach: Yeah. Like I was surprised to hear that you did not get Luke Skywalker through and that you had problems with yourself. And then I was thinking like, oh, it's because of your long media background that you definitely count more as a public figure than a person. Yeah.

4:25Jenn Cutter: Here's a couple of prompts that got blocked for third-party likeness possible violations. Ace Detect, which is how I refer to my cameo, hosting Daily Tech News Show, telling you that there is a problem with AI. And then it said, basically because I put Daily Tech News Show, it's like, oh yeah, you can't put someone hosting that. That's a real thing. I'm like, yes, but I'm the host. uh also i put one up saying uh uh darren kitchen and justin robert young and the rest of the supreme court of podcasting uh sentenced tom to a violation of abandoning his post meaning he didn't post an episode ha ha ha it said that might violate our guardrails concerning third party like this is so i redid it and said and the rest of the supreme court of podcasting which is an imaginary institution used just for this video.

5:17Jenn Cutter: And then it let it through. So, uh, so these, these guardrails are obviously not perfect, uh, but they are there. And I think there's a bit of a cat and mouse game and getting them fine tuned to work properly. I also think a lot of this stuff like the SpongeBob stuff might be authorized. I doubt that Nintendo stuff is authorized. That's very not Nintendo like, uh, but it could be that some of the stuff is just, you know, they have been in touch with studios and intellectual property holders and give them the option to block it from being output in Sora. And some institutions may be like, you know what, it's fine.

5:52Jenn Cutter: Let's see what happens.

5:54Andy Beach: Well, so when you were setting up, because you had to set up your camera, you had to say, here's me, here's my picture. How do they have that go? Because like, if I was just uploading pictures of you saying, oh no, I'm Tom Merritt, so I can do this stuff. Yeah, you can't do that. How did they set that up with you?

6:08Jenn Cutter: You have to say three numbers. That's how they get your voice. And then you have to have your camera on your machine looking at you. You have to look to the left, look down, look to the right. You have to be moving. So it would not be impossible to fake a video of that. Right. I could use another tool to take actual video of me and make me do that and then try to show it to the camera. I'm not sure how good it is at detecting whether a real person is sitting in front of the camera or not, but it would be pretty difficult for it to do.

6:43Andy Beach: Well, now I'm going to have to see how many videos there are of Half-Life's G-Man.

6:48Jenn Cutter: Oh, I saw some Half-Life. Death Stranding, saw a bunch of those too. But yeah, every time I tried to make any kind of intellectual property that wasn't SpongeBob, Rick and Morty or Mario, it got blocked. Those three got through for some reason, which is which I'm I'm very curious how those three are continually getting through, which makes me suspect that maybe Paramount, Rick and Morty and SpongeBob might have said it's OK. but they again i cannot bring myself to suspect that nintendo is like sure let people make deep

7:24Andy Beach: fakes of mario that just i was even surprised with paramount because they tend to not be first in things they just got bought though good point so you've got you've got david ellison

7:34Jenn Cutter: running that ship now which could be a whole different kettle of bees well that would open

7:40Andy Beach: up Star Trek, wouldn't it?

7:41Jenn Cutter: It would. And Darren Kitchen actually did a couple of videos of me and him in TNG uniforms doing things in the Star Trek universe that made it through as well. So I don't know, maybe there's something there. Meanwhile, Google is also in hot water with The Verge discovering that a search for is Trump in cognitive decline does not deliver an AI overview and only returns a list of links if you use AI mode. Whereas, this is the Verge's contention, a similar search for is Biden in cognitive decline returns an overview. So a little summary of what's been happening with that topic and an answer in AI mode.

8:23Jenn Cutter: Google told the Independent, and I quote, we don't show AI overviews on every query. And similarly, in AI mode for some topics like current events, we may show a list of links as the response. Now, the current events could be the difference here, right? Because President Biden is no longer president and that story is in the past. My personal theory is that there also might be a issue if the ratio of slop articles is too high. So they've got a bunch of unreliable stuff out there. They might filter out the responses because they can't make sense of it. There is a longer history of reliable reporting on President Biden's mental health and quite a lot of speculation that is not necessarily founded in good reporting on President Trump's.

9:10Jenn Cutter: In my own testing, most political leaders, like Republican Senator Mitch McConnell, do show an AI overview. However, a search of my own, including the name of Democratic Senator John Fetterman, did not show an overview or a response in AI mode.

9:29Andy Beach: DTNS is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to ThatCharlieDude, Justin Zellers, Carmine Bailey, our new patron, OneWhoKnowes, and Martin, and our returning patron, Kelly. Welcome back, Kelly.

9:43Jenn Cutter: Yay! Welcome, Kelly. And welcome, OneWhoKnowes. You definitely know. You know what's up. So do you, Martin. Good to have you all. Thank you for being here. There's more we need to know, so let's get to the briefs.

9:57Andy Beach: 9to5Mac reports that on Tuesday, the FCC made public documents that refer to an Apple-designed head-mounted device with an illustration that looks like an Apple Vision Pro. However, on Wednesday, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reported that Apple has moved people from working on a smaller, lighter version of the Apple Vision Pro to work on smart glasses to compete with MetaRay Bands. And, of course, a dozen of other competitors that are about to enter the market. Gurman sources say that there are two models. The N50, which pairs with an iPhone and does not have a display, is due to come out next year, and another model with a screen is planned for 2028.

10:37Andy Beach: Gurman says that the updated Vision Pro with a new chip, likely the one in the FCC filings with an M5 chip, is expected by the end of the year. Speaking of the M5 chip, Tom's hardware notes that an iPad with M5 has shown up on Geekbench with a score that matches the M4 Max and beats all other PC single-thread scores.

10:58Jenn Cutter: All of this is good to know. Like, okay, we're not getting a redesigned Apple Vision Pro for a little longer, except for the chip upgrade. And yes, I'm not surprised that Apple's doubling down on smart glasses because I've been saying 2026 is the year of the smart glasses. Meta was just early to the game. but honestly i've been telling my wife uh next time you get an ipad i think i want your old ipad because this ipad pro first gen that i have is finally starting to get a little slow then i see this and i'm like or maybe i could just buy one with an m5 chip and just skip a generation you're good to go yeah uh former open ai cto mira marati's new company thinking machine labs has announced its first product, Tinker.

11:41Jenn Cutter: Tinker can automatically create custom frontier models for companies that are looking to narrow general purpose models to their specific needs. I've been saying for a while that this is probably going to be one of the biggest advances in the use of these models is when you can customize them to your own needs. And to do that right now, organizations have to spend a lot of effort to customize the models. They are used for a lot of different things. Some examples include drafting legal agreements reliably, right? If you customize it, you can rely on it a little better. Answering medical questions, solving math or accountancy problems.

12:15Jenn Cutter: Again, these are things that the general purpose models can do, but when you customize them and narrow them, they do them really well. Tinker lets you fine tune either Meta's Lama or Alibaba's Quen models by just writing a few lines of code. And then you can either have it use labeled data or something called reinforcement learning, which is a little more popular right now, and then download the or a defined model that you can run on your own system. Just basically speeds things up and makes it a lot easier.

12:42Andy Beach: Yeah, this is going to get AI through a lot more compliance issues and also more available to medium and small size companies who want to be able to do this and run bigger things with a smaller team.

12:55Jenn Cutter: Yeah, you'll be able to bring down the cost so more companies can access it. That's a big part of it. And more companies will be willing to try it because of that and say, oh, I don't want, you know, the meta-llama model running my accountancy, but if I can narrow it down on my data so that I know it's going to make a lot fewer mistakes, maybe fewer than humans, then now we're talking.

13:18Andy Beach: Makes corrections a lot easier and more helpful in the future. So we've got to say thank you to Motang for tipping us off on this story on the DTNS subreddit. Japan's Asahi Group Holdings disclosed that a malicious attack on its systems had disrupted ordering, shipping, and customer service activity. Asahi is one of the world's biggest breweries and holds one third of the market for beer in Japan. Asahi says that no personal information was accessed and it is working to restore systems but did not give a timeline. Meanwhile, convenience stores eye their dwindling stock with concern.

13:53Jenn Cutter: Yeah, I saw a story on Yahoo Finance that they interviewed somebody who runs a Lawson's convenience store. Like, we've got like one or two days supply of Asahi at most.

14:02Tom Merritt: Oh, no.

14:03Jenn Cutter: So, yeah. You know, good for the other beer makers, I guess. They get a little chance to get in front of some people they wouldn't otherwise. But I'm not joking. That is a serious problem. Yeah. Instagram head Adam Mosseri posted on Wednesday a video to combat the idea that Instagram listens to your conversations to serve you ads. Jed, I can't believe we're still dealing with this.

14:27Andy Beach: It won't die. Yeah. It just won't die.

14:29Jenn Cutter: Uh, Mosseri said, uh, without equivocation, equivocation, I think it's equivocation, but he didn't have it. However you say it, we do not use the phone's microphone to eavesdrop on you. Uh, he offered three possibilities for coincidences that would make you think they do. One, you interacted with a topic elsewhere at a place that you didn't realize shares information with Instagram. And maybe you even forgot about it. Two, maybe you were talking to a friend who had interacted with that product. And so you only had a conversation, but the friend actually went to the website and Instagram knows your friends.

15:07Jenn Cutter: And because of that served you the ad or three, you had seen the ad before, put the idea in your head and then you forgot you saw it because you're scrolling really fast. Facebook has denied the idea that they monitor through your microphone in a blog post in 2016, at a U.S. Senate hearing in 2018, and in a support document that's on its website.

15:26Andy Beach: See, I have a separate conspiracy theory that won't die. Like my mom is convinced that they use a microphone and nothing I do say or show is going to convince her otherwise. But for me, my conspiracy theory is that ads on Instagram have a much bigger hitbox or clickbox than everything else, because I will accidentally click on an ad while scrolling and that drives me crazy.

15:47Jenn Cutter: Oh, that's a sensitivity space. That might be worth looking into, right? There might be something to that. That's the one I'm going to propagate and throw out there. Yeah. But as Mosseri says in this video, and I'm not trying to shill for him or anything. If your phone is working properly, both Android and iOS are very good at showing you the mic is on when it's on. Now, if you don't trust Android and Apple or Google and Apple, then that's a whole other thing. But I don't think Apple would cooperate with Instagram on that. And somebody auditing security would have found it. So I'm pretty sure he's right that they're not using the microphone and it's just a bunch of coincidences.

16:25Jenn Cutter: But to me, the story here is he's educating people just how much tracking goes on.

16:32Andy Beach: How many friends does Instagram have? I don't even want to know that list. It's got to be hundreds, not thousands. Spacecoin says it has successfully tested transmitting a secure blockchain record through its Endurosat CTC zero satellite in orbit between Chile and Portugal. Founder Tay Oh says the test was part of his hope to, quote, build a decentralized network of communication satellites and fulfill the vision of building permissionless connectivity.

17:02Jenn Cutter: I don't know if this takes off, but I thought we should note it because it's using their own satellite, which they launched on a Falcon 5 rocket from SpaceX, but that's available for anybody who's got the money to put something on. And people are starting to talk about the idea that these satellite internet services might be hard to hold to account. You could have an entire blockchain system that is more difficult to regulate and hold to account. And depending on where you fall, that might be a good or a bad thing. It kind of depends on who's operating it, I guess.

17:39Andy Beach: Yeah, no, lots of satellites up there.

17:41Jenn Cutter: Yeah. And here's some more. A company called Inversion announced its on-demand delivery vehicles at a factory in Los Angeles on Wednesday, but these aren't sidewalk robots or autonomous cars. They are spacecraft. Inversion's ARC spacecraft can hold up to 225 kilograms of supplies and keep them in space for up to five years. When needed, they can then descend and deliver them in less than an hour anywhere on earth you need them. So this is not for delivering burritos, clearly. I guess they could be frozen if they're up in orbit, but yeah, that's not what for. The first client is the U.S. military, which could use it for storing medical supplies and then delivering them when needed or drones, perhaps, or other cargo.

18:27Jenn Cutter: Inversion plans to launch the first ARC vehicle into space by the end of next year.

18:31Andy Beach: See, this is closer to the future we were promised. Yeah, no, spacecraft will take whatever you need anywhere. Just because it's spacecraft, it gives you that more future than drone. Drone sounds too current.

18:42Jenn Cutter: Some kind of like warehousing for civilian uses with this as well, where you could just, you know, have have things that are, I don't know, toilet paper. Right. Doesn't matter if it gets frozen up in space. It's weird to think about defrosting your toilet paper, I guess. But yeah, anything that can handle the cold and could stay there for five years and then delivered when you need it. There's there's lots of logistical uses for this, I would think.

19:09Andy Beach: The Verge reports that Amazon's new Vega OS used on its new Fire TV stick will have all the apps you expect from a device, even though it no longer uses Android as the OS. That's because apparently it will stream the entire app from the cloud, not just the content.

19:27Jenn Cutter: They operate AWS. They've been doing Luna for a while. This makes perfect sense that they would have the infrastructure to do this. And if you're like, oh, but what if the Internet goes out? Well, you can't stream your TV anyway. So I guess it doesn't matter. That's kind of genius, honestly.

19:43Andy Beach: Yeah. Luna drives me crazy because my parents see ad for it and we can't use it. It's like, oh, Jen, have you tried this? I'm like, well, not officially.

19:52Jenn Cutter: Finally, some quick headlines that are just good to know if you want to understand the news in the future.

19:56Andy Beach: Reuters sources say that Bending Spoons, home of brands like Evernote, StreamYard, and Meetup, is in talks to buy What's Left of AOL from Yahoo. whom.

20:05Jenn Cutter: Spotify announced a new feature Wednesday that lets you exclude certain music tracks from the recommendation algorithm so that you can safely let your niece play the Pokemon theme song a hundred times in a row and then just remove it later.

20:16Andy Beach: The Financial Times reports that Universal Music and Warner Music are close to multiple deals that would pay them royalties in exchange for the use of their music in AI models from companies like Google, Eleven Labs, Stability AI, Suno, and Udio.

20:32Jenn Cutter: The Brave browser, which emphasizes privacy, says it now has more than 100 million active users across mobile and desktop. By comparison, that's about half what Firefox has.

20:42Andy Beach: Perplexity is making its Comet browser, which builds in its LLM tools, available for free for all users with rate limits.

20:51Jenn Cutter: Financial Times reports that Walmart is going to use Bluetooth sensors from Williott to track its 90 million pallets that it uses to ship groceries around.

20:59Andy Beach: Disney will replace its star branding on its international streaming services with the Hulu brand beginning October 8th.

21:07Jenn Cutter: Hulu going international. And Semaphore says that Intel is in early talks to sign up AMD to its foundry business. That'd be a big get.

21:16Andy Beach: A court in the Netherlands has ordered Meta to offer Facebook and Instagram users the option for a non-algorithmic timeline.

21:23Jenn Cutter: I didn't say chronological, though. T-Mobile now supports using WhatsApp, Google Maps, X, and AccuWeather on its satellite-to-sell service.

21:32Andy Beach: The blogging service TypePad closed up its business September 30th.

21:37Jenn Cutter: And on Wednesday morning, two Amazon Prime Air delivery drones collided with a construction crane in suburban Phoenix, Arizona. As far as we know, nobody was hurt. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper.

21:50Andy Beach: Previously, we talked about YouTube making two big moves, doubling down on live streaming and leaning into AI for creation. Those two efforts are connected and we have Andy Beach here to connect those dots.

22:03Jenn Cutter: Andy, thanks for joining us. Hey, Tom, how are you doing? Good, man. So YouTube had a bunch of announcements a few weeks ago and you wanted to focus on two in particular and how they related to each other in a way that might not seem obvious at first.

22:18Tom Merritt: Yeah, I'm a fan of a twofer and there were two out there that were worth covering. The first one that I picked up on the New York Times was really around how YouTube is increasing its efforts around live streaming. It's been a decade since really they enabled the capability and they're really just plowing into it with new efforts. Part of the way that they're making that attractive, though, is covered in a Reuters article I found, which is how they're bringing, YouTube is bringing a whole set of AI content creation tools out for its creators to make it easier for them to create content.

22:58Jenn Cutter: So I know one of these was giving you mini games to play, which I'm not sure exactly how productive that will be about bringing new live streamers in, but maybe, you know, it's worth a shot. What are some of the others?

23:13Tom Merritt: Well, they're doing a variety of things. So they've got some practice mode tools that the creators will have access to. They're bringing the ability to do co-streams and watch party-like capabilities. A number of other sites, including Substack that I do a lot of work on, has been doing these sort of co-streams where two creators can get on and talk. And it brings two audiences together as a great discovery tool. And then they're trying out yet other ideas for ad innovations. Ads are an area that have been very nascent. And I think everybody's looking for the right way to make monetization of the content feel not intrusive so that it turns off a viewer but still allows someone to profit from it.

24:01Jenn Cutter: And how does that connect to some of the new AI style stuff that they're bringing?

24:05Tom Merritt: So, I mean, I think it comes around in two ways. First of all, a lot of the generative tools are just making it easier for the creators to get started and then scaling the ways that they can connect with their audience. And then on the flip side, there were a number of the AI tools that just make it easier for the viewer to either go discover the content or to follow along with the content as they're consuming it. And one of the notes that I saw in the live piece was the fact that on average, the average YouTube viewer is watching 30 % content that is live throughout the day. So this is a pretty massive area for them when you think of that kind of numbers, particularly when you think about the volume of content that exists that is YouTube.

24:57Tom Merritt: The fact that nearly a third of the audience is showing up for something that is being created in real time, it makes sense that they're trying to go after that market in a new way. And it also makes sense to me that that's exactly where they would want to target some of the AI tooling so that they make it easier for the adopters to feel like they can get started in that space.

25:18Jenn Cutter: So we're not talking about AI hosting the live stream, right? We're not yet talking about too much of that. What are we talking about?

25:27Tom Merritt: Yeah, I mean, there was a quote from Barbara McDonald at YouTube Live and said, effectively, everybody's going to have a mobile broadcasting studio in their pocket. So that's what it really means. If we think about the work that mutual friends have done, even yourself around, you know that it takes a number of people to put out a high quality live piece of content. And they're trying to lower the barrier of entries to that, make it easier so that you have effectively some agents that are offloading pieces of the work for you so that there are less moving parts that you have to enable as part of the workflow.

26:01Jenn Cutter: Yeah. So transitions and like being able to bring in a co-streamer, so to speak, you know, graphics and stuff, things like that, maybe?

26:10Tom Merritt: Yeah, absolutely. Uh, even, even things like just the countdowns, making it easy for cutaways, if there are ad placements in it and others as, as part of it. So all those pieces that we inherently think of as, as production work that goes into creating a piece of live content, they're, they're now going to have AI tooling that, that makes it easier to, to get to that along with some of the stuff that we already think about when we think about, um, uh, generative tools, getting into the production space, like subtitling and graphics and others that I feel like we've all sort of gotten used to and accustomed.

26:45Tom Merritt: These are a little newer and touch into areas that are pretty unique to the live distribution workflow.

26:51Jenn Cutter: Yeah. And in some ways, less flashy. They're not the kind of thing that make for a good outrage headline about how we don't like AI. And so maybe they don't get as much uptake. But I like your perspective on this, that those AI tools, you can do a worst case scenario about AI slop, or you can look at the fact that it'll actually just make it easier for you to live stream, which could mean your favorite content creator does more for you.

27:17Tom Merritt: Right. Absolutely. If you're having to think less about the production to get it up for any given one, you're likely going to make more content as a subsequent of it. So in theory, it should just push more and more quality content into YouTube for us to consume.

27:33Jenn Cutter: Well, Andy, as always, thanks for bringing this to us and helping us see a different perspective on it. If folks want to find your perspective on the regular, where should they go?

27:41Tom Merritt: Thanks, Tom. As I mentioned, I have a sub stack. It's called Engines of Change.ai. And over there, I'm typically writing about the collision of media and AI technologies.

27:51Jenn Cutter: Fantastic. Thanks, man. Thanks, sir. I mean, it's another example of customizing tools for a specific purpose, I guess.

27:59Andy Beach: I never, ever would have guessed that live was up to 30 % for YouTube. If you'd made me pick a number? I say, I don't know, 10, 12. Yeah.

28:08Jenn Cutter: No, it's interesting to see the sort of slow momentum that it's getting. Folks, if you've got feedback about anything that's brought up in the show, we are available on all the social networks. We are at DTNS show on X, Instagram, Threads, Blue Sky, and Mastodon and Tumblr. For TikTok and YouTube, you can find us at Daily Tech News Show.

28:33Andy Beach: We end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. And today we've got Andrew with some observations about AI actors.

28:42Jenn Cutter: Yeah, we were talking about Tilly Norwood earlier this week. In regards to Gen AI talent, Andrew writes, I've begun to see it being used frequently here in Brazil. It's used for a lot of billboard ads and social media ads by small to medium-sized companies. I modeled from my teens to my late 30s, and I did a lot of extra work, movies and print modeling for magazines. The commercials that I am seeing, AI is used to replace extras or actors who would have non-speaking roles. Seems like it's VO3 or possibly HeyGen. It doesn't look like a real person to me, but I am always looking for it. I think any big company trying to use it would draw controversy.

29:23Yeah.

29:24Andy Beach: See, whenever I think about like AI crowds, I think of like the old school EA sports games where you have like four people just copied and pasted for the whole arena.

29:33Jenn Cutter: The same four people in the 30 ,000 person stadium. Yeah, no, interesting to see that. I don't know if Andrew's just more attuned to it or there is more of this being done in Brazil. But thanks for the on the ground report. Appreciate that.

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