Picking New Wireless Headphones - DTNS Weekend

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3:19Welcome to the DTNS Weekend Edition. I am your host, Roger Chang. Today, we're wrestling with a very almost, actually maybe not existential, up there worthy topic, but a very, very good one. And that might be something you're familiar with. It's picking your next set of headphones. Joining me today is Eileen Rivera, who is selecting or on the process of selecting her next headphones because her current ones aren't cutting it anymore, and she's been eyeing a pair of nothing pro-1 headphones. Why did they write it that way? I have no idea. And the man who's tried on more pair of headphones than he has shoes, Patrick Norton.

4:03I was trying to be offended by that statement, and then I realized it's so true, I can't even joke about being offended by that statement.

4:13now before we get too far into it I do want to say thank you for all the listeners and supporters who've been supporting us on Patreon it's without without people like you we couldn't do shows like this check out patreon.com slash daily tech news show to learn how you can help support the show all right Eileen can you give us a little backstory on why you need new headphones and why you've been looking particularly at the Nothing One Pro headphones. Yes, I will try to be quick about this. But I currently have, I'm actually using the new AirPods, but I am looking for new over-the-ear wireless headphones.

4:54And these are the ones that I currently have. The original AirPods Max, and they're in white and they're dirty. And the battery life is not so great anymore. And I did like the quality at the time when I had them. They are very heavy, and I can't wear them for a long amount of time. I used to podcast with these, and I still think the weight was an issue. So I'm looking for something a little bit lighter. You know, it's been several years now, so I'm assuming that technology has advanced. But yes, I'm looking for over-the-ear headphones that are wireless and very good for noise canceling. Now, the reason why I was looking at the Nothing One Pro was several months ago, I had seen them pop up on various vloggers.

5:45I'm like, oh, they look good. They look stylish. Okay. And then they're actually, when I started looking at them, I'm like, ooh, look, an artist named Charlie XCX is promoting them. And I'm like, okay, great. And then they were kind of expensive, but I'm okay to spend in the range of like$300,$400,$250, as long as their quality. and then I kind of put that aside I'm like I don't need them right now it's fine and then I ended up with these you know buds for now and they're working and I like them but in the longer run I do want to just experiment and replace these to be honest with you so fast forward to I don't know about three weeks ago and one of my favorite members of my favorite band is now the global ambassador my favorite band my favorite band is bts and the um artist his name is v and he is now the global ambassador he's one of seven members of that group he is now the global ambassador for nothing headphones and he is now promoting the one pro and i was like oh well this is great because i was thinking about those headphones but i do want to do my research first and in doing my research in the same price, you know, range, there's the Sony WH-1000XM6, the Bose QuietComfort Ultra second-gen wireless headphones, and the Sennheiser Momentum 5 wireless headphones that are all kind of comparable.

7:14Now, I've watched multiple reviews of people online, and now I have questions to, um you know ask my friend patrick here i have gone to best buy to try on the sony and the bose the sunhizers unfortunately they were going through a renovation at best buy so they didn't have them out to for on display they just had the boxes available to buy i'm like well i don't want to buy them if i don't try them yet um yeah there is one headphone place i know of in torrance california they do audiophile headphones mostly uh and what's fascinating about them is they have like probably 20 30 40 assuming the room's still there um they have like 30 different um brands of headphones you can go in and actually try them and they have headphone apps and dax and all this other stuff the challenge when you look at the demos whether it's in best buy or costco or tar j or target i shouldn't say tarjay um or walmart or wherever you're buying your electronics is that there's three things going on there.

8:15One, you almost can never control the music going into the headphone. And what they have is these kind of like, you know, it's a dance pop thing. Right. It's a blues crooner thing. It's a female country singer thing. You know what I mean? Like they have like, they'll do like three very distinct shifts usually. And you can't control it. And it's music you've never heard before. And you're never going to hear again. And it's definitely not anything you're familiar with. So you're like, yeah, got some bass, got some treble. I can hear the cymbal. They sound great. That said, being able to actually get into a space and try on the headphones to see how they feel on your skull.

8:55Because, like, for example, I have very large ears. And apparently they will continue to grow until the day I die. And then probably continue to grow after I die. Because apparently your ears keep getting bigger as you get older. So my giant ears will apparently be more giant. Or perhaps I've been reading the wrong or watching the wrong TikTok videos. is. But the, sorry, I take all my medical advice from a better institution or TikTok. Sorry, there's an inside joke there that I will not get into at the moment. But the, but it's great to be able to try them on and see how they feel physically on your head.

9:30Because like, people's heads are all different shapes. And most products are designed for like, you know, the 50, 70, 80, 90 % in the middle if you have a very small head or a very large head or if you're sensitive to weight or something the the thing that works for most people may not work for you the so can we talk about the the nothing headphones for a minute yeah yeah so the nothing yeah then go sorry well I was just gonna say they did catch my eye I did read reviews from people before the Nothings One Pro came out, the earlier versions. And most people seem really happy with them. The battery life is insane.

10:12They love the sound is decent and actually really good. And it depends on how you use them. And again, I watch several reviews like, do you want to use them to edit? Actually, I do. Yes, I want to use them to edit my videos when I'm here at my desk. Do I want to use them when I travel? 100%. and I do need noise canceling. It makes a difference. It really does for me when I'm sleeping, and I've been using these, and when I'm going to sleep on a plane, I'm like, I hope they don't fall out, you know? But I just can't listen to the shh of the plane. I don't want to do that. I'm already an anxious flyer.

10:52So that's why I'm looking, again, for the over-the-ears, and I like the stylishness of nothing headphones. They look good. They don't look bulky, and I don't know. I do want a little bit of something flashy if possible. Obviously, the sound and the weight is more important. But if it could look really good, great. And the other thing. So, yeah. So the case, I don't understand. All of the reviews that I've watched have been men online complaining about the case. And it's not for you. It's more, I think, more of a fashion accessory. I've actually watched the Nothing Headphones team talk about it.

11:28They were actually proud of it. but everywhere I go, every guy who's reviewed it simply hates it. Now, I do agree with the fact that at least with the AirPods Max here, you have a way to charge. That's not possible with the nothing headphones, but I don't even know how often I use this. Actually, maybe I did use it a bit when I was using it. Anyway, that is a con, but other than that, the form factor, who cares? They're like, it makes it heavier. I'm like, I don't care. It doesn't matter, but the hatred. I think the level of hate for the case is a little like, just calm down, people, seriously.

12:05What about the headphones? That's what matters the most to me. I'm just like, wow. Let's talk about the headphones, right? They've got solid ANC, active noise cancellation by all accounts. People seem to find them comfortable. They have physical buttons, which I absolutely adore. Yeah. Because I've had situations where I had to learn touch gestures on the side of the phone because it's the 21st century and then i can't do anything or instead of the audience and i'm sure that's all a failure between like my brain and my fingertip but physical buttons are nice um they're ip52 rated so you can sweat at them or you don't have to panic if it starts raining they have a built-in parametric eq uh which is really really cool um so instead of like four sliders for like 50 hertz 400 hertz a thousand hertz ten thousand hertz um now they've only got like I think eight different levels but parametric means it does a much more finely tuned job you have much more exacting control over the audio curve if you hear me say like the the frequency curve of the headphones that's like the mix of you know highs to lows and speakers are really easy to buy for because if you want a neutral sounding speaker you want something it basically the the audio curve is flat and it's a tilted a little bit higher a couple four db higher in the bass than in the treble headphones get really weird because you have to compensate for the fact that the audio isn't basically going out into the room before it gets to your pin eye your ears they do a lot of tuning when you look at a headphone audio curve it tends to be relatively flat or if you're into the more modern Harman or sound guys curves or some more low end than you might expect for it to be flat and then there's this big swell at the highs and and that's the kind of compensate for what stuffing the driver next year ear does um they did some really interesting stuff in the design there are three drivers stuffed into each ear cup two dynamic drivers when i say dynamic driver that's like a normal speaker where there's like a cone and a motor and there's a surround and it moves back and forth uh one for the base like 10 hertz to 10 000 hertz one for the mids which covers like 5 000 15 000 hertz and an x-memes driver for additional treble that's running from about 10 000 hertz to 40 000 hertz um probably because of the age of everyone in this conversation 25 000 hertz of that range on that xmem's tweeter none of us can probably hear let me ask you like because they have these discrete drivers in each headphone does that necessarily make the headphones bulkier or perhaps heavier than the than the non-pro model.

14:44So the most unhinged, like we stuffed all these drivers into one ear thing, there are earbuds that have 12 or 15 drivers inside of them. Because at some point, the entire high-end earbud industry got into this battle over like, we can put more drivers in. And what I noticed is at some point, you would have these like, we have nine drivers in our$3 ,000 earbuds. and they sounded in a word like ass because the problem, you know, when you have a speaker, right, and you have a tweeter and a mid and a woofer, you know, you have the ability, you have a lot of room to put together the circuitry that sends this chunk of the sound frequency to the tweeter, what we call the crossover, this chunk of the sound to the mids and this chunk of the sound to the bass.

15:36And the smaller the device gets, the less room you have for that. And you may be thinking, but these are modern headphones. They're wireless. They have digital circuitry inside. And, you know, the short answer is you can get phenomenal, absolutely flawless audio reproduction out of a single driver. And I think there's two drivers you probably don't really need inside of here. You know, I will say the XMEMS tweeters are really fascinating. They're essentially solid state speakers. They're basically a chip, which makes it the giant, super sophisticated Grodd child of that buzzer in the microwave from when you were seven.

16:15But they're really a phenomenal – they're a cool piece of engineering, right? But, you know, depending on who's reviewing these, and a lot of audio reviews I honestly just kind of ignore because it's very obvious that somebody's saying nice things about a product, so they'll use your Amazon affiliate link. But people who really pay attention and kind of listen, they're either really cool with these headphones or really annoyed by these headphones. The stock tuning, right? So the stock tuning for these is what we call a fun V-shape. There is a lot of bass, and there is a lot of treble. And for a lot of people, that is a big, fun sound.

16:54I'm listening to dance music. You know, everything's up to 11, except for, well, you know, the music you listen to, I am not, unfortunately, particularly familiar with BTE. Yes. But, you know, there are some there are some kinds of music that respond really well to that V-shaped tuning with a lot of bass, a lot of treble. And there's other things where you listen and you're like, I can't hear the singer anymore. But no, God, are the cymbals loud? I'm exaggerating slightly. But what's really cool is they have a flat switch inside of this. I was going to ask you about that. They were really touting that.

17:30the company. Again, I've watched a lot of press material as well as reviews. They're also very big on like, we have a flat tuning for when you're doing your professional creative activities and don't want the fun setting. I tend to go for a very flat or natural or accurate or what I like to call true setting. Literally the only time I've ever seen people get unhinged about a product review was I was at a headphone gathering and I talked about a product that was very neutral. It was very accurate. Like you could record a guitar playing and play the recording through the headphones and then pull the headphones off and listen to the guy play the same chord on the guitar and you would be like, I can't tell the difference.

18:12But in the audiophile community, they tend to want a lot of sparkle, a lot of high-end treble. And anything that doesn't have their extra sparkle high-end treble, they tend to call it failed. And failed is bad. And literally a guy was about to start a fight over the fact that i like these headphones uh so i like a flat tuning i want to hear as close to what i you know what was on the recording as i can um a lot of good reports on the flat tuning in that it is very neutral uh and a lot of people really really like the v-shape tuning um so you talk so far i don't hear a reason why i shouldn't get these to try at least and then i could return them if i hate them yeah and for any headphone like for any headphone you buy i honestly believe you should never buy headphones that you can't return and if you can't return them they should be so cheap that you don't care what you spent on them because headphones like i always laugh because there was this this reviewer talking about a headphone several years ago they're like this headphone has tremendous bass and there was there was no bass below 100 hertz i was like i don't know what this guy listens to like maybe if there's bass if you think of the bass in an audiobook as being bass but like literally i was laughing because i'm playing frequency i'm playing like 200 hertz 100 hertz 50 hertz 30 hertz and i'm like there is no bass in these headphones so these don't have that problem um but there's a bunch of really good competitors like i would first of all i would say especially because of a tremendous relationship to bts i would absolutely try these headphones i would also if you can get your hands on them try out my personal favorite right now are like the Sony XM5s and XM6s or the Sony WH-1000XM5 and the Sony WH-1000XM6, which is long and annoying, but it's Sony and they just Sony.

20:03They'll have a little bit more active noise cancellation for that isolating yourself while traveling. The XM6s sound really great out of the box. The Sony XM5s were a little too bassy, but you can tweak the audio with the onboard aq and it sounds pretty phenomenal i've spent literally hundreds and hundreds of hours listening through the xm5s uh the xm6s and hundreds of dollars well i will say i also have not paid you know i also bought both of those refurbished like open box not the xm6 i got actually got the xm6s for my son for christmas oh you know and they have they they hold up well um you know i don't really abuse headphones but they go in and out of my backpack a lot usually without a case and these have held up extremely well um but like they're pretty light too is the sony's yeah they are i have literally i drove from reno nevada tost louis with a pair of xm4s or xm5s three times um i took them off when i got out of the truck yeah so yeah um you know um another one you talked about the sennheiser momentum 5 some people really like them some people think the treble has some issues um one also that probably in your price range is worth if you can get a to listen to a sennheiser hdb 630 which is like their audiophile oriented wireless headphones which are cool but i actually don't think um yeah those those do have access noise cancellation you know i will also say shopping around is a huge you should definitely like check amazon check walmart you know check uh uh you know check around on prices because sometimes you'll find some pretty spectacular deals not for open box or refer but for actual new products like sometimes the channels all over the map.

22:09I am waiting for Black Friday at this point, you know, because we're getting close. So the window of Black Friday, which is literally like the month of November, you know, I'm already seeing Black Friday sales in October. So I'm waiting for that window. And I do see, because Amazon had Prime Days recently, the Pro Ones were not part of that, But everything else in the fleet of nothing headphones and the Sony, the XM, M6, 5, those were cheap. They were like cheap, cheap. So, yeah, I'm going to wait a little bit for this. So this is why this is a good conversation now because I'm literally like, all right, let me just let me get a discount.

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25:56I feel the group is a safe space. The DT &S group, Eileen, Roger and I, the group is a safe space. So I'm using my feeling words. I feel high definition audio and a lot of the super cool audiophile-oriented wireless communications technologies may yield spectacular results for some listeners. But honestly, for most of us in the place that we're using headphones, you will never hear a difference between whatever Bluetooth 5.0 thing is going on and whatever aftermarket sophisticated, super spicy, user special dongle wireless connection is going on. People, you know, in certain audiophile groups, I would already being, people would be firing nasty grams at my ex Twitter.

26:42I still hate saying my ex, my Twitter. It feels like an ex. Yeah. I mean, when you look at like, when you look at blind studies of sort of like, you know, we had people listen to, you know, like 128K. Yeah, a lot of people could be like, that doesn't sound very good. And by the time you get to like 320K on audio files, people, not a lot of people can tell the difference between that and like a lossless file. And you start getting into the sort of HD audio stuff. I feel like a lot of that's overrated. I've seen blind studies where there's like five people can't tell the difference. Like it's 50-50.

27:21You know, they're basically randomly picking. and then there's that one person on the panel that nails like the high frequency version of every song like every time and you're like wow okay so they have the super hearing and the rest of us don't but yeah um you know and also most of us don't have access to hd audio most of us don't need hd audio most of us you know it's cool but i find myself pretty much never using it the one One headphones that you didn't mention that is on my list is the Bose QuietComfort Ultra. They are. What do you think of those in comparison with the others that were on my list here?

28:02I mean, solid active noise cancellation. It used to be that Bose was so far ahead of the rest of the universe in active noise cancellation. I laughed because somebody was like, you have to try. It's time. You're an adult now. you can embrace active noise cancellation this is probably like 10 years ago and so i bought a set of bows earbuds and i was like i gotta admit flying with these is great i i i sat with the whole plane with them like the whole plane ride with them on and i listen to audiobooks and they're like well what about music and i'm like they sound like ass uh sorry twice interesting that's it no no but in the last few years in the last you know in the last few years bose has done tremendous work in creating headphones that really make music sound good.

28:49For my money, I'm choosing the Sonys over the Bose, but there's by general, you know, and some of the audio reviewers I trust tend to lean towards the Sony, but there's a lot of people who have a lot of success with the Bose Quiet Comforts. You know, they make a good product. They're easy to find. You know, I just, for my money, I like the Sonys over the Bose. That just, you know, go ahead. In my research and now talking to you overwhelmingly the sony's were the ones to to get in in the list that i have here and the nothings were you know they're they were like they're not better but they're not horrible and they're pretty they're pretty decent for in that price range they did wish that it was if they knocked it down 50 then it really gets competitive i think and maybe that might happen that's why i'm waiting for the black friday sale so um i want to have both because i want to try both for real and like see which one i would keep and which one i would toss you know i guess i could yeah and return the other one yeah probably probably it's it's kind of like it's amazing how much little stuff like you know i had one headphone that did you know gestures and you know that one actually worked really well and i loved it there's other headphones where i just really like hitting buttons a lot of it's like you know you may put on the nothing headphones and look in the mirror and be like this is a little more cyborg that i'm comfortable with or you may be like i look like anime cyborg joy fire up the bts and never look back right they're very yeah you know for you either love them or hate them there is no in between somebody once told me the headphones i was wearing you're wearing ugly headphones like they sound amazing yeah who cares i don't care what they look like.

30:35I don't care. There is that too. I don't care as long as it sounds amazing. But if it does have an extra flair of fashion, fantastic. That's the thing. Fashion is so fickle because it comes in and out like the tides. I remember I had the old Cosporto Pro. We do style, Roger. You're the fashionista in this trio. I had the old Cosporto Pro headphones and someone's like, God, what are those? Those look like you got them out of Radio Shack. It's like at one point, Radio Shack did sell a version of these. under their own brand. But no, I just like them because they pack up easily. And now they're kind of considered retro hip, like the wireless versions.

31:12And I'm like, I'm just 15, 20 years ahead of the curve on that fashion sense-wise. But I mean, realistically, I mean, as a final verdict, as kind of a thing, you do think that the headphones, the nothing, why do they make the names so complicated? The Nothing Headphone One Pro is something that Eileen can definitely pursue or look at without concerns about it. I would absolutely consider it. um okay you know there there it has been once you sort of like slough away the giant collection of reviews that are basically i review you know my product reviews are bland and unopinionated but generally enthusiastic to encourage the most number of click-throughs to people who will pay me money because you bought this item right and i don't i don't want to sound mean but that's just a lot of reviews aren't really reviews anymore um that said out of people who actually who you know who who make an effort and whose opinion i trust nobody there's like one who's been like these headphones are vile and they piss me off and you know i can't tell if that's because they were having a bad day or because they really had issues with that but also like i will say for a lot of people who are like i want a neutral headphone for music like they hit that fun tuning and they're like i'm out too much space too much trouble let's not deal with this right So, but you may, I've also accepted, I have accepted in my aged wisdom is that some people like things that sound different than the way I like them to sound.

32:49And that is okay. It hurts me to say that, but it is okay. Right. You know, for me, I have a particular, I don't want too much bass. Like for me, a lot of the, Harmon Kardon had a group of people who did audio research, right? Because people are like, Harmon, aren't they the 70s? Well, Harmon's this massive audio company. They got bought by, I want to say Sennheiser when I mean Samsung. They got bought by Samsung. They do billions of dollars of audio gear for automobiles. They do all sorts of professional and consumer audio gear. And they had a group that did a ton of research. And one of the things that group found out is they wanted to, the headphone part of Harman slash, I guess, JBL, which is owned by Harman, along with a whole bunch of other companies, they did a lot of research.

33:40And people were like, you know, we kind of like this much treble, and we kind of like this much bass. And it was funny because the bass was a little more elevated than I like. But they also said out of the people who picked that bass level, like 25 % of those people wanted more and 25 % of those people wanted less. It's like how you listen to music, you know, for a long time, because I heard so much music live at a very close range. I am really particular about the way cymbal sounds. If cymbals don't sound natural, it drives me nuts because I literally heard a couple hundred bands, usually like eight feet away from the drum kit or 12 feet away from the drum kit.

34:15So I have this very like I know what a ride cymbal sounds like and I know what bass sounds like up close. And if it doesn't sound like that, it drives me nuts. somebody who grew up going to EDM shows or to dance halls is probably like, there is not enough bass in this. My booty will not shake until I have enough bass. So give me more bass. Right. So it's, you know, and that's also why they, they put, you know, tunings inside of things so people can pick the sound they like. You know, again, I am very much on a natural style and the most accurate reproduction I can get because that is natural. Yes.

34:49Let us hope not for the eyeballs of everyone involved. creating or recording or listening to this podcast so for an eileen then like i mean what do you what are your next steps at this are you just gonna pre-order or are you i'm gonna wait for sales at this point but i do i don't know i know i don't want to because i actually went to best buy and listen to the Sony's and I really like them I want to potentially now purchase both and then return one and which one I don't know so I feel like that would be a good because I'm definitely curious about the nothing headphones and all of the all the things that you said Patrick all of the things that they have the physical buttons you know what they've tried but then I also want to you know compare it against what I feel seems to be the best currently in this price range of of of headphones which is the Sony's uh and I would try the XM6 I think because that's the latest one right um and again if I if I do that then I feel like I'd have a better like okay I did I did my I really did my research but I at least have in talking to you feel comfortable if I even just get that nothing headphones versus comparing or you know and then i can delete the others that were on the list as well um that i was curious about i will to know well oh go ahead i was gonna say yeah whatever you can if you can listen to something um you know it's also really funny because you listen to something and then you can look at all the reviews of that and you can adjust like where that reviewer is and how like obviously they like this sound or they like that particular sound thing um you know the uh it's whatever you can like listen to all the headphones you can and yeah i wish i could listen to the nothings i don't think that they're anywhere on display i don't think um you know at a at a brick and mortar store i think you just have to buy them i don't know for sure maybe i should look into that as well but yeah i wish i could put them on my head because i the feeling of it how long it lasts is super important as well not just the actual sound.

37:11If it hurts my head and starts to put pressure and give me a headache, I'm not going to... You don't want a vice gripping your head like an egg? I don't even really wear hats, you guys, because it puts a little bit of pressure on my head. And so I don't like that after several hours. Not to mention it messes with my bangs. The FlexiFit hats drive me insane. You just need to shave your head, Eileen, and that problem goes away. no no no my head is shaved and it has not gone away roger i will say everyone if you can get there next year oops sorry go ahead i was gonna say if you can get there next year eileen uh yeah the head fi uh the audio file the uh headphone forums they do um what they call can jams and there's one in uh irvine uh usually like the irvine marion every summer.

38:05And CanJam SoCal 2027, I don't think they've scheduled it yet. But that's really wild because you can go there and there'll be like 25, 50 different headphone manufacturers. Now whether or not, I don't know if Sony or I doubt Sony or nothing would be there. But it's wild to get a chance to listen to all these headphones you've read about or seen. And it also gives you a chance to be like, wow, these are$3 ,000 headphones. They do or do not sound that much better than my $300 headphones. I've always been meaning to attend those, but scheduling is always... Okay, I put it down now as a note. Oh, real quick, Patrick, what did you think of these Apple AirPod Macs?

38:44Where do they lie? They're solid. I mean, they're a quality experience. They're Apple, which is just... I don't... You know what I mean? I do not lust after them the way I lust after Apple's MacBooks right now. um and also that's a lot of headphone to be carrying around for me so um i should i i do want to shout out um if you're listening to these prices and these like 350 400 500 price range and you are like i that's my rent that's my car payment um soundcore is doing some amazing stuff for the money uh soundcore is was anchor started soundcore and now uh soundcore is kind of being brought back into the anchor fold but the anchor space one um they sell for about 100 bucks on amazon and those are a pretty phenomenal like 40 hours of anc battery life um you know you know quality audio are they built as well as the 400 headphones no do they sound as spectacular as the 400 you know 400 headphones depends on how closely you listen um you know for me uh i really really like the way the sony sound and feel um they're fairly indestructible in my use so far uh the cats and the dog haven't gotten a hold of them um but then again nobody built a headphone to survive a husky um but like if if you're looking at these or hearing these prices or you know watching the video or listening to the podcast and those are like oh too expensive um soundcore's anchor space one is a pretty phenomenal headphone for the money and worth considering for that hundred dollar price well that's good to know good advice as always Eileen I hope you find the headphones that fit your head and I or rather we would like to know what you think about this episode and all the shows got some insight into a story share it with us at feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com and you can learn more about the entire family of DTNS podcasts and shows at dailytechnewsshow.com and of course on YouTube at youtube.com slash daily tech news show.

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