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2:42This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, June 24th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up on the context of those stories, and help each other understand. Today, Andy Beach tells us why the CEO of Runway say AI is great for small creators. I mean, not like elves, but like independent creators. I'm sure it's great for hobbits, too. We also preview Samsung's coming foldable-related Unpacked. That's right. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. All right. This story is going to unfold in a few different parts. See what I did there.

3:19Samsung has made its next Unpacked event official, announcing that July 9th is the date when they will unveil, quote, the next evolution of Galaxy devices and probably a lot of AI features as well. The summer event is expected to be the showcase for its latest slew of foldable devices. That's usually how it works with Samsung these days. The Galaxy Z Flip 7 is but one of those devices and maybe device families, which we'll talk about. It's expected to finally get a larger outer display, similar to what Motorola has actually done with its recent Razer Ultra series. If you've seen that, you kind of know what to expect on the cover screen.

4:04Three colorways are rumored. Blue Shadow, Jet Black, Coral Red. Just to name a couple of those, at least with this one. But there's also rumors pointing to the arrival of the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE, which I believe still stands for Fan Edition. At least it did back in the old days of Samsung. That retains the folder-style cover display. And if you've seen the cover display on kind of like the older versions of the Z Flip, but the older, newer versions, I guess, if that makes sense. It kind of looks like a vanilla or manila notepad or whatever those are called, where it has a little tab that sticks out, which is basically the carve out for the camera.

4:46So that's why it's kind of referred to as a folder style cover display. And a little bit thicker of a body design. Essentially, the FE version is usually kind of like a step down in specs, maybe makes it more affordable to get in. And when you're talking about foldables, I mean, that's kind of an important thing to have because they can be really expensive. Yeah. So the fan edition says you don't get the cool new screen or a thinner device, but you pay less. Otherwise, the specs are the same. That makes sense. I get that. I mean, yeah. I'm not sure. I mean, obviously, we're going on rumor. We don't know exactly what these are going to end up being.

5:24But generally, a lot of the specs are the same. There might be some sort of ramp down as far as the internals are concerned with the FE, but often I think they have been pretty similar on the internals. Maybe not necessarily RAM. There might be less RAM. It really depends. They're making some cuts to bring that cost down and make it less than premium premium. For fans. I always find that funny that it's kind of colloquially known. Also, why do they call it colorways? That's a good question. It's just colors. It's blue, black, and red colors. Those three colors. We don't need to get so fancy about these things.

6:06Yeah, I don't know. I think in my head when I think, yeah, you're right. I mean, it is just colors. This is one of those words that over the years I've adopted because I've seen it used so many times that it's just kind of become part of how I talk about these things. sometimes when i think of colorways i think though that it's not just like a single color like sometimes they're two-tone or whatever so it's like a different color way like maybe that's yeah but but you're right like i honestly have no idea it's just one of those words that i use now for some reason and you're not alone i mean that is the word it just struck me today uh so so galaxy z flip 7 following the trend uh is what we're expecting okay uh and and maybe they'll surprise us.

6:49Again, these are just what we know so far coming. Eileen loves her Galaxy Flip, the Z Flip that she uses. So having a newer version with some bigger specs is probably good enough for a lot of things. I mean, it's a great form factor. I've always thought that the Flip, when we're talking about the foldable and Samsung has been there pretty much since the very beginning, when they introduced the Flip, I've always saw that as the more important one. Like important because it's the bigger batter usually has, you know, kind of it's really meant for like the pro premium user or whatever. But the flip is the everyday device.

7:30It's the probably applies to and appeals to far more people just because it's smaller. It's easier to manage. Not everybody has the reason to have a tablet in their pocket, but everybody can understand why a smaller phone that flips out to a normal phone makes sense. And I've used the recent Motorola Razr Ultra. I have a review actually coming this week on my channel. We're going to talk about it tonight on Android Faithful. And I mean, one of, if not the biggest kind of key feature about this is the bigger, more kind of expansive cover display, which is what we're probably going to see in the Flip 7.

8:11So I think that's a really great choice. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. The Galaxy Z Fold 7, also expected. It'll be thinner. Usually that's the case, right? They get a little thinner, a little lighter. They slim up the bezels a little bit. You know, there isn't a whole lot of innovation going on with these. It's marginal, I'd say, year after year. But a larger 8-inch inner display, titanium backplate, like I was saying just a few minutes ago. You know, the more premium materials usually come in here. Samsung last month had teased an Ultra version, and that would take its cues from the Galaxy S series.

8:49They have the Ultra devices, which are usually my favorite of the S launches. And why is it Ultra? Because it just has max everything, right? It's usually bigger. It's got the best internals. It does all of the things. It's pretty unencumbered as far as that's concerned. Increased performance, AI integrations, all that kind of stuff. So that's good, I suppose, if you want the Fold. You're going to be paying for it, though. The 7 Fold is going to be a pretty expensive device, I have to imagine. So there's that. I am a fan of the Foldable. I have a Pixel Fold, not a Galaxy Fold. But making it better, I would not be opposed to, if that's what Samsung announces.

9:31It's funny that the Ultra is basically the opposite of the fan edition. No, totally. It's the same Fold 7, but with better internals, and you'll pay more. Yes, indeed, indeed. And then finally, Samsung is expected to show a new Galaxy Watch 8 family of smartwatches. I say family because there's a total, at least rumored, three different variants. We might actually see the return of the rotating bezel. I feel like this is like an on-again, off-again thing. Samsung can't make up its mind on the rotating bezel. I always liked it. I always thought it was neat. If anything, just to be a fidget to mess around with.

10:07But it's very satisfying. That would happen on the classic model, according to rumors. A continued use of the Squircle design for some of their smartwatches, which I think makes a lot of sense. It's a little polarizing, but I like the look of it personally. And then the return of a customizable Quick button, which you can assign to whatever you want. Can they partner with Pokemon and get a Squirtle? Squircle? design oh boy i could they you know what if anyone's gonna do it samsung anything could happen yeah uh yeah i'll be honest uh this all is pretty like yep that's what i would have predicted kind of stuff so you know i guess i guess what we're we're saying here is we're not expecting a whole lot of surprises out of samsung if you go farther into the rumor bin is there is there anything a little more unexpected?

11:03Well, I mean, one thing that we're kind of getting close to is if you remember with the S24 series, and I believe that is when we started to get the actual information around Samsung's Galaxy AI launch. And now we're a couple of years in, right? The S24 had Galaxy AI, S25 series has had Galaxy AI. So we're pretty used to that just being a feature that's there. But if you go back in time to S24 series, Samsung had made mention that that feature was going to be free until the end of 2025. And as we know, we're mid-2025. We're getting close to the end. We're kind of starting to get to the point to where Samsung might want to or need to start telegraphing its intention to charge for this feature if that's what it's going to do.

11:53So there's a possibility that we might hear something about that that the thing about this though is samsung really hasn't confirmed anything about this little bits and dribbles over time but it's essentially communicated that it's still deciding whether it's going to actually pursue this charging for this feature or not so you know i don't know that's something to look forward to who wants to pay for the ai on their smartphones yeah totally like no one wants that um yeah i don't know how do you feel about that paying for some of these features on your smartphone. I think it would be a mistake to put it behind a paywall.

12:27I think what they need to do is say, we've got cool new features that you can access in a new paid tier. Everything you get now, you'll continue to get for free if they want to avoid the huge backlash. Or they package it in with some Samsung subscription thing that throws in some other stuff that you would pay for otherwise. But yeah, it's certainly not going to be the thing that everybody's going to get excited about, right? No, no. like, ooh, I get to pay for AI stuff. You're going to have to make it sound like you're going to get something crazy cool. It'll just cost you a couple bucks. Yeah, or one thing that AI companies have been doing a lot is, yes, of course we have free.

13:07But if you pay, you get unencumbered or you get - You get unlimited tokens. Unlimited tokens or a very large amount or whatever. And I could see something like that. Like, you do get free. It's just you don't get as many as you want. What do you think the chances are of us getting Samsung glasses tees or some other AR mixed reality sort of something or something else? I mean, I don't know that I've heard rumblings of the glasses tees. However, at the same time, this is kind of the year where people are starting to get really excited about it. I would love to see that. At the S25 event, we did get a one more thing, if you want to call it that.

13:51It was the Edge. The Edge has been – it seems to be a little lukewarm as far as interest has been since it's released. So it's not unprecedented for Samsung to come out with a one more thing at the end of this. And if they were to do that, I would put my money on some sort of glasses reveal just because there is a lot of attention and energy going around right now about this. We know Google is really teasing up its Astra, and I think that this is going to be a collaborative effort. So it's totally possible. I just haven't heard anything specific to this event about that yet. Yeah, yeah. It does seem like this is taking the place of the old note spot in the lineup.

14:34Totally. And it is usually just a like, hey, we got new stuff. Here you go. So it's kind of what I'm expecting is that we'll just get all of this that we just talked about. Indeed. DTNS is made possible by you, the listener, my friend. Thank you, Norm Fazekas. Thank you, Chris Allen. Thank you, Reed Fishler. And thank you, new patrons, Mr. Bisque and Okie Dokie 27. Is that a lobster bisque or different? episode prep gets messy when research slack threads and script trackers are all in different places that's where chat gpt work comes in give it the goal and connect to the tools where work happens like apps and files and it can help pull the pieces into a draft you can review without you having to re-explain the project at every step for example chat gpt work can gather team feedback from slack and use it to suggest updates to a project brief in google docs You stay in control, reviewing the draft, and deciding what moves forward.

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17:53there's more we need to know today let's get to the briefs anthropic delivered an important win in its ongoing copyright lawsuit with writers who sued the company last year claiming that the claude models were trained on pirated books and saying that was an infringement of copyright not a fair use the judge william all sup ruled that anthropics use of legally purchased books which it also did not everything was pirated uh legally purchased books used to train its models qualifies as fair use under u.s law this is the first time a judge has ruled that now obviously they're going to be appeals and all kinds of things but this is significant all sup likened it to humans learning to write by reading calling it exceedingly transformative.

18:40However, the company still faces a separate ruling over its use of millions of pirated books for training its models, books that it claims it just went out on the web and got stuff and transformed it. And the copyright owners of the books are saying, you illegally accessed those books. This ruling also doesn't have any determination about the output of models and whether that infringes on copyrights, which is how a lot of these cases are now starting to break down where judges are saying there might be a fair use on the input in the training, but if it can output a copyrighted work, maybe that's a violation.

19:21So in the absence of legislation, we're starting to see how these arguments are shaping up a little more. Yeah. And I'm sure we're going to see some real kind of similarities in how these things line up time after time. But qualifying the training as fair use and comparing it or likening it to learning to write by reading, I'm totally on board with that. I absolutely agree with that. I know a lot of people would disagree with that analysis, but I think it is really largely the same. I think how you acquire that information is a whole separate story. And if you are breaking the law, which I believe downloading pirated books probably constitutes breaking the law, then that's a real big mark on that process.

20:09And Anthropik's not alone in doing this. So if this ends up going negative for Anthropik in that regard, it has the potential to impact a lot of the other companies that have trained their data sets on exactly the same thing. Yeah, I think it is interesting. First of all, yes, I agree with you that broadly speaking, it is like reading. I think a better argument and an argument I'd like to see a judge make is this isn't just like reading. This is like taking data and breaking it down into its letters and figuring out a word count. That's an even better analogy to me. It's like saying how many times the word for happened in a copyrighted work is not a breaking of copyright.

20:50And that's essentially what these models do. They create relationships amongst the tokens that they break them down into. So this isn't a bad analogy. And I think it ends up in the right place, which is doing that to a work is very transformative, exceedingly transformative, as the judge wrote. So I'm glad that he came to that conclusion. It is interesting to rule how you got access to the work in the first place could be trouble. I hadn't really considered that. If I just go on the web and I download something, am I breaking copyright? Or is it when I do something with it that I'm breaking copyright?

21:32How is it no longer exceedingly transformative if I got it from the web and I just didn't check the provenance? There's some tricky implications to ruling that somebody who just went on the web and downloaded something is now no longer making fair use of something. So I'm curious how that gets worded. And I think it's great that they're focusing on the output. A world where models have to be careful that they don't output copyrighted works does sound exceedingly complicated, but on principle, I don't have an objection with it. Yeah, yeah, agreed. The MetaQuest 3S Xbox Edition has launched after more than a year of anticipation.

22:18The limited edition partnership between Microsoft and Meta is designed with an exclusive black and green Xbox colorway that matches to the console. Sorry, I had to emphasize. And includes a pre-paired Xbox controller and pre-installed Xbox cloud gaming web app. Aside from that, no real new features are setting this apart from the standard Quest 3S. It's a bundle that costs$399. That's$100 more than the standard model. It's available in, quote, extremely limited quantities. So not very many, apparently, at Meta.com, Best Buy in the US, Argos or EE in the UK. Really, this just kind of seems like a collector's item for people who care that much about Microsoft.

23:07This is a fan-branded item. You can basically make the same Quest 3S yourself by buying it, painting it, pairing an Xbox controller to it, and installing Xbox Cloud Gaming. So it's really just the fact that it's more professionally colored, I guess. Yeah, I guess so. That is the extra$100. I don't know. And you get the controller pre-paired. That's nice. prepared don't have to do that that 90 seconds of uh i mean basically like how much would a controller be 50 bucks so the extra 50 bucks is for the coloring yeah yeah all right fine i hope you enjoy it i'm sorry i have to look up how much an xbox controller costs yeah yeah like 50 to 60 bucks so okay yeah there you go uh waymo's autonomous robo taxis are available to the public in Atlanta now through the Uber app.

24:01Atlanta is the second city after Austin to bring the Waymo Uber partnership to roads. Uber customers get the choice to opt in to an autonomous ride in the ride preferences section of the app. The fares will be similar to UberX Comfort and Comfort Electric rides. The launch features a limited fleet of electric Jaguar I-Pace vehicles with plans to expand in the future. Wow, you're riding in style. I mean, you're in Atlanta. You want to show up with a - You don't want to be showing up in Buckhead in my Honda Civic. Who wants to show up at Buckhead in a Honda Civic? I mean, Jaguar is where it's at.

24:38Yeah. That's pretty awesome. Also, I think this is a good story to put in context. The launch of Tesla's 10 SUVs in Austin yesterday. Waymo operating in multiple cities in large areas and now expanding into Atlanta. These things are real. So if you look at that Tesla launch and like, ah, these things aren't very expansive, that one isn't, but there's a lot more of these happening more frequently. Indeed. UK's competition and markets authority may soon require Google to give users more choice over which search engine that they use in a drive to make it easier for people to select and switch to alternative search platforms in the UK.

25:19The CMA is not outright accusing Google of anti-competitive behavior at this stage, but it's outlining a roadmap of possible remedies as it analyzes whether to deem Google with, quote, strategic market status. One possible outcome could be the implementation of kind of what you would imagine a choice screen that allows users to choose different search providers, make it really easy for them to do so. Google says that punitive regulations like these could impact how it brings its products to the UK in the future. That final decision by the CMA is expected sometime in October. Yeah. So this is a complication brought about by the fact that the UK is no longer part of the European Union.

26:05So it's not part of the Digital Markets or Digital Services Act. So it can forge its own path of regulation. And this is a chance for it to say, we're considering these remedies if we determine there's a problem. And that gives Google a chance to respond and say what they think of the remedies. That doesn't mean the UK has to listen to what Google says, but it could. It's a fair chance for Google to get their say about it. I mean, sure, it could impact how it brings its products to the UK, just like any regulation impacts how you bring your products to any market. So, you know, I know what Google's trying to say.

26:46I'm just saying, you do this. Things could get a little sticky. Yeah. Just saying. We might have to change how we bring our products. And the CMA is like, yes, that's the point. That's the point. Right. The HDMI 2.2 specification is finalized with major upgrades to support modern displays, support for the new Ultra 96 cables. the more simplified naming means that when you see the 96 that means it's 96 gigabits per second bandwidth and so that gives you support for video up to 12k at 120 frames per second and 16k at 60 frames per second now you probably aren't going to be sending 16k over this but the capacity is there so you can push multiple video streams stuff like that another new feature is a latency indication protocol or lip please give me lip in hdmi uh that gives you improved audio video sync uh now we're going to wait for devices that support this standard uh and those devices can display the ultra 96 label to let you know that so is this is this about this isn't about like we're not we're not facing a time in the near future where suddenly we go through what we went through when it was SD and then suddenly it's like, whoa, the HD standard.

28:03Let's move everybody over, broadcast over and all that kind of stuff. Are we facing a time where 12K and 16K are the norm? Or is this meant for just frigging huge displays that you want to pass data through? Yeah. For event centers. It's for data capacity, right? We haven't even got 8K TVs. That's kind of where I'm headed. Like in regular use. They're out there, but they're not in regular use. So this is more like HDMI getting ahead and saying, hey, there's all kinds of reasons besides having a 12K display that you might need to push 12K worth of video down our wire. And it can handle that. Got it.

28:44And so that could be trying to push multiple – like you could push multiple 4K streams through there, stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. No, that makes a lot of sense. All right. Thank you. T-Mobile's Starlink-powered satellite service called T-Satellite will launch across the U.S. on July 23rd, 2025. It's about a month from now at the time of this recording. The service will support SMS texting on Android and iOS devices at launch. Android users will also get support for MMS images and short audio clips. iOS users will get those features sometime in the near future. T-Mobile Experience Beyond subscribers will actually gain free access to this network.

29:24Users on other networks will also be able to access this for just$10 a month. Just$10 a month. In October, an expansion is expected to bring support for select third-party apps as well. So think WhatsApp, X, AccuWeather, AllTrails. And then T-Satellite will also provide free 911 texting for all users, regardless of carrier, later this year. So and then I think I also saw a story or a report that says that T-Mobile can't remember who it was. Was it Ookla or I can't remember who it was. But anyways, that T-Mobile is now like the carrier to beat in the US is just kind of on a roll right now with their coverage.

30:04and satisfaction. Yeah, coverage is pretty good, although there's still parts of the country that I've visited where I get less coverage than I would like. However, yeah, I'm on T-Mobile and they're great most of the time. They have good international plans too. So when you travel, you don't have to pay a bunch extra to get decent service. And this to me is like that. You pay$10 a month because you're a hiker and you want to be able to access this or you're often in areas where you lose service and you just want to have a little emergency in case your car breaks down. This is not something I think everybody needs to have.

30:41I think people see Starlink and they think, oh, I'll get Starlink access on my phone. That's not exactly what we're talking about here. It's filling the gaps. I don't know. Someday it could be. Yeah, filling the gaps. Amazon, speaking of rural areas, is expanding its same day and next day delivery services to more than 4 ,000 small towns and rural communities in the U.S. by the end of 2026. Apparently, they already have 1 ,000 towns down, and it's going to be 4 ,000 by the end of 2026. The expansion is focused on bringing what are called everyday essentials. So there's a list of those kinds of things, but groceries, household goods, pet food, beauty supplies, stuff like that.

31:18Amazon says they spent$4 billion. They built new facilities. They converted existing delivery centers into hybrid hubs. All the things you would guess they would do. spend a lot of money and build warehouses to make this happen. Each new site is expected to create around 170 jobs, plus added driving positions to bring the packages to people as they add more. They say in the thousand towns where they've rolled this out that it is appreciated and used quite a bit. And I thought the part of this that caught my eye, Jason, was using machine learning to figure out which items are most likely to be ordered in which areas to keep them on hand to kind of make that magic happen so that the thing you're looking for is available for same-day delivery.

32:05Right, because these centers can't possibly store every single thing under the moon. They really do have to be selective. But Amazon's super smart with this stuff. They know how to analyze their inventory and understand what items are hot, where. And so that makes a lot of sense. And 170 jobs, hey, look, Amazon's not killing all jobs. It's creating some jobs in the shadows. Also, like, wow, we expanded a service and added jobs. Yes, that's how that works. Also how that works, yeah. Machine learning. This is an example, all kidding aside, of machine learning enabling something that then allows you to add jobs.

32:43Yeah, pretty awesome stuff. OpenAI's first AI device designed with Johnny Ive will not be a wearable or an ear gadget. This is according to court documents filed in a trademark dispute with audio startup I.O. not IO, but I-Y-O, which when you say it out loud sounds like IO. IO. I-Yo. I-Yo. The filing also reveals that the new device has no finalized design at this point. It will not ship until at least 2026. So there's not a whole lot going on right there. But just so you know, it's not an in-ear gadget like IO. It's not a wearable either. IO, now you know. and you might want to jump on some of these netflix games 20 games are leaving the service in july including all the monument valley titles hades carmen san diego and more last day you can play them varies throughout july uh i think all the monument or no hades goes away july 1st but different ones go away at different dates so you'll want to look at the mobile app to find out when those are the essentials for today let's dive a little deeper all right while hollywood veterans Bet Big on AI Studios, the CEO of Runway, says the future belongs to individual creators using AI like a paintbrush.

34:03Andy Beach knows all about this and is here to unpack the contrast. Andy, thanks again for joining us and helping us understand this whole crazy, fast-moving world of generative models and everything else. Hey, Tom, good to see you. So we have heard about studio heads out there, some of them in the press, some of them behind the scenes saying like, yeah, we really need to use these tools. They can do things a lot faster. But this is a different take on us. Tell us who the CEO of Runway is and what he's saying. Yeah. So Chris Valenzuela is the CEO of Runway, and he was recently talking to Nilay Patel at The Verge.

34:47on their decoder podcast around these very topics. And you're absolutely right. I think everybody that's involved in media technology right now is acknowledging this. And so he really made the argument with Nilay that AI was going to empower individual creators far sooner than it was going to replace the studio world. And this is a person who makes the tools, right? Explain what Runway does. Yeah, Runway is in the business of making large language models that particularly have some form of creative output. They are very focused on creating avatars, doing video in painting, doing different style transfers for both image and video.

35:36So they're highly focused in creating environments that allow creatives to go make synthetic content out there at scale. Yeah, this is less risky than someone who's involved in union negotiations, perhaps, coming out and saying it. It's also self-interested. The person saying this is the person that's going to benefit from people believing that that is true. That doesn't mean that he's lying, but why should I believe the toolmaker when he says, gosh, you're really going to need my tools? Well, I think what he's saying, though, is that this doesn't just go out and replace the Hollywood system right now.

36:20But what it does is allow individuals to go take tools and make Hollywood-like productions that they put out themselves on a YouTube or any other independent platform that they may choose to publish to. So I think what he was really circling around is that, and he said this in the talk multiple times, he likened Runway to basically being the Adobe of the AI era, not the Pixar. So they're not the studio. They're the tool that someone's going to go use to make content. There is a lot of backlash against AI right now. And I have heard from many people that there are folks who don't want to speak out loud in the press while they are definitely exploring these tools.

37:10Some of them are people that would get in trouble because they have agreed not to use tools in a certain way. And people would accuse them of possibly trying to break that word. Others are people who are in public saying these tools are awful, but then secretly pushing them around and seeing what they can do. This seems to be trying to lean into that and say like, hey, I know you may not like us, but I know you're secretly trying out some tools. Maybe try ours. Well, and maybe this is part of an overall messaging position that Chris is trying to do. but it says that our audience may not be the Hollywood studios.

37:54It's really the independents. And the Hollywood studios are the ones with teams of lawyers who are currently in the midst of fighting and negotiating on what intellectual property rights look like with these model makers. An independent creator is much less likely to have that weight and baggage that comes with them, which makes them a prime candidate for someone for Runway and other similar companies to go target as potential customers. Yeah, because they may not be able to get that big contract because the big studio can't publicly acknowledge it or even sign it. So you want to sell it to other people.

38:33Is there a risk, though, if I, as a small creator, get something off the ground using Runway that I won't be able to make it bigger by selling it to a studio? Yeah. It's a great question. And I don't think that's 100 % clear today. I think the best thing anybody could do if they were a creator and any model that they're looking at, this is a place where you don't want to skip past the terms of service. You want to be reading those EULAs in some detail and understanding what is the trade-off? What am I giving away by using this product and paying for it? Am I giving them access to my content to use for training?

39:14Am I going to have things that show up in their models that look like my work at a later date? I'm not saying that that is what it's doing. I'm just saying you want to make sure that you educate and arm yourself for the information. And often with these model makers, there are ways to protect yourself. In other words, there are ways to stop it from training against your content. But unfortunately, today, a lot of it is still opt out versus opt in, meaning that by default, you are part of the training set, unless you go in and explicitly turn it off in some some settings that are buried down in the privacy area.

39:50So you just want to make sure you understand the tool that you're using and the terms and conditions that are being applied to it. And then on the other side, making sure you're making something that the audience likes and doesn't say, well, that's just AI slop, which is the term I hear more and more every day thrown around at anything people don't like. I think I've heard this summer referred to as the summer of AI slop. So you want to make sure that you're not just creating something that's derivative and doing something that's intentional with it, not something that's just highly repeatable.

40:26Fantastic. Well, Andy, thank you so much for helping us dig through some of these insights. As always, if folks want to get more of your insights on this, where should they go? So I have a sub stack I've been writing around these convergent topics of media technology and AI, and it's called Engines of Change. And that's enginesofchange.ai. Excellent. Go check it out, folks. Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Tom. You got thoughts on this or anything else we're talking about? Please join our Discord. You can do so by linking your Patreon account at patreon.com slash DTNS.

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42:06We end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom, and today Roger has thoughts and a mild correction about our discussion of Netflix adding TF1 broadcast channels. Yeah, Roger writes, It's great to have Patrick Beja back on on on a subject I know nothing about, which is, you know, that's how we help each other understand. Roger points out that the BBC is in the United Kingdom, not just England, saying that as I'm a taffy, which is a Welsh person. Sorry, I rarely watch live TV nowadays. And yes, I'm not sure which one of us said it, but I'll take responsibility. reality uh i'm sure one of us said you know the bbc in england and uh of course it is in england but it's also in scotland and the isle of man and northern ireland and wales and all the parts of the united kingdom uh and so apologies uh for that quip thanks for the gentle correction roger indeed thank you roger what are you thinking about if you have insight into a story that we talked about or haven't talked about you can share it with us feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com Thanks again to Andy Beach.

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