Samsung’s Foldable Display Tech Fixes the Crease (Mostly) - DTNS 5310

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1:58Sarah Lane: Today, Samsung says it has mostly fixed the crease problem on foldable smartphone displays. Oh, we're almost there, but yeah, anyways, we'll talk about it. I'm Jason Howell. And I'm Sarah Lane. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story.

2:15All right. So Samsung has tackled and is apparently winning its long years long anyways at this point battle about and surrounding display creases in its foldable smartphone lineup. Only took seven years to get there. And, you know, so I'm very curious to see the fruits of its labor. The company announced Flex Titanium, its display technology, one week ahead of the next big hardware event coming from Samsung. That's Samsung Galaxy Unpacked happening in London next week. So certainly we're going to talk all about what is actually announced at the event, although we have a pretty good indication of what that's going to be.

2:55The company is going to be showcasing the upcoming next generation of its foldable lineup primarily. That includes Galaxy Z Flip 8, Z Fold 8, Z Fold Ultra. And as far as the display itself, so Samsung basically a week ahead of the event, kind of setting the stage to say, hey, there's something to get really excited about here. It has a structure that uses a titanium alloy film, multilayered, that Samsung says has 20 times the mechanical stiffness of a polymer film. So it has a titanium plate in there as well that improves how the display actually bonds and stays stable when it's folded and unfolded.

3:36The film is about one-third of the thickness of a human hair to give you an idea.

3:41Sarah Lane: That is very thin, by the way. Very, very thin. I mean, one-third the thickness of a human hair? Come on. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. And when you're talking about these multiple layers, I guess that stuff kind of adds up, right? Sure. But yeah, that's tiny. That feels very small. That essentially means clearly that it keeps the panel slim, but also helps in its resiliency to repeated folding. The system also improves shock resistance, supports ultra vivid visuals, according to Samsung, at lower power levels. So I'm curious to know how that kind of ties into that. But the key problem or promise here rather is addressing the problem of these panels and the crease that often appears down the center.

4:25And these stronger panels are essentially aimed at and potentially going to mostly solve and reduce the visibility of that crease down the center of the smartphone display. So Samsung is stopping short of saying, hey, we fixed it. The crease is entirely gone.

4:41Sarah Lane: But it sounds like as soon as they say that and you see a crease, people are like, oh, well, no, you are right. Yeah. Yeah. I see it. I don't know why you say you don't see it. I see it. I'm looking through a magnifying glass and whatever. And I've stared at it for 20 hours. Yes, I see it. Samsung also reportedly the display provider for Apple's first foldable iPhone. That's been reported in recent months, which we've talked about. So with this announcement, Samsung is basically saying it also really welcomes, their words, really welcomes Apple entering the foldable market because that helps, I guess, legitimize the form factor even further.

5:18Sarah Lane: And it also puts money in Samsung's pocket because they're providing. Yeah, I had a little chuckle at that part of it. The foldable iPhone, which is reported to be upwards of$2 ,000 out of the gate, which is insane. And we've got all sorts of memory issues where prices are being hiked up. Apple is not the only company, but obviously has been in the news for that specifically. I am really looking forward to what Apple announces, let's call it September, if memory serves, if they don't do anything super crazy this year. But Samsung supplying the needed hardware for a company like Apple to be successful at this means that Samsung wins.

6:12Sarah Lane: Samsung and Apple are competitors, but they're also, you know, they have a handshake agreement in a lot of ways. So it's kind of a funny situation of like, who's going to win? I don't know that they're really competing with each other. Well, yeah. And like you said, Samsung's technology critical to what Apple is doing in foldables. I think what I find really interesting about this is the legitimacy aspect of this. Samsung's been working on its foldables now for seven-ish years. I think this is the eighth, so it's going to be their eighth generation of foldables. Samsung, one of the major players in the industry when it comes to smartphones next to Apple.

6:54And yet, you have Samsung here very happy that, at least in this PR, that Apple is doing this. I think part of that is because of what you're talking about, the competition. But I think the other part of it could potentially be, and I don't know what this says about foldables, that maybe it takes a company like Apple to really legitimize this. I mean, that's been my feeling, is that Apple's going to come out with a foldable smartphone.

7:17Sarah Lane: And very suddenly, people who would never consider it are going to be like, oh, yeah, that's actually a great idea. Apple's very good at doing this, being like, look what we invented. And everyone's like, wait, what? The Android people are like, no, no, you didn't invent that. But nobody in the Apple ecosystem cares. Well, maybe not nobody, but because I'm in the Apple ecosystem, but I obviously cover a lot of this other stuff. Apple is just the marketing of like, we've done it best. We weren't first, but we're best. That sells a lot of hardware. Will this happen this fall? I'm not sure. But going back to just foldables in general, the foldable market is people who have them love them.

8:11Sarah Lane: And yes, there's a crease issue on some more than others. And I think that's very fair because look at the form factor. But if we can get to the point where maybe, yeah, like without the magnifying glass, you just don't see it. I'm impressed. I really am. mm-hmm yeah it's impressive i will say though because i've had you know i've had plenty of foldables over the years that i've either tested or you know this is this is one from uh from honor and everything and like is there a crease absolutely if i look at it at just the right you know light i see the crease do i feel it with my finger yeah barely but i mean it's it's you know it's noticeable but one thing that i've noticed from like being able to read things on a screen.

9:00Sarah Lane: No, that's the thing. Yeah. Totally. When those pixels are lit up, you hardly see the fold, the crease. Also, we tend to not see these things over time, right? It's like when you get a device for the very first time, you're not used to it. Your eyes aren't used to it. Your fingers aren't used to it. You see those things. But then flash forward a month and it's almost like we've reprogrammed our brain to not see that anymore. I think the crease gets a lot of hay in the foldables market of like, oh, well, it's got a crease. that's nasty. But I think for people who have never used them before to any length of time, what they would probably find if they did is that many of those people would probably get over it because it really doesn't matter.

9:40I mean, I think what matters most to me is the durability of that interior screen because they can be kind of fragile. You can, if you take your fingernail and go over the display, you can leave an indent that doesn't get removed. And so that's kind of, And I think they're kind of indicative of the same thing, but that's the part of it that I'm more concerned with is I don't want that display to be as delicate as it has been.

10:05Sarah Lane: I think it also has to do with how much you consider your piece of hardware a road warrior, right? Yeah, that's true. Well, you know, on my smart keyboard that, you know, I'm using on my Mac right now, for some reason, the N, the letter N always goes first. And when I say goes, it just means that it looks like, you know, it's like it's like it looks like I've just been like hitting, hammering. Oh, it's fades. The actual key cap fades. Yeah, yeah. Like the N still works. All my other letters are fine. But this is not the only computer that this has happened to. Like for some reason, something going on with the N key, you know, I don't know.

10:49You're creating lots of new documents.

10:52Sarah Lane: That's what you're doing. Command N, command N. Yes. But, but you know, something like that is like, yeah, I mean, it's mildly annoying. Of course we want all our things to look pristine. Totally. But, but, but can you still use that gadget? And, you know, in this case, the foldable long after you notice a little something here or there. Um, I'm not trying to make excuses for companies that could do this better. And I think we're, we're, we're getting to that point. And that's what, you know, Samsung is definitely offering us now, but, uh, but yeah, it's, it's, it's all, I think it has a lot to do with like, is this a gadget for a year or five years or 10 years?

11:35Sarah Lane: And, and you, you start to forgive a lot of things after that five year mark. Yeah. If you're paying a couple of grand for these devices, I hope it lasts five years. Two grand. Better. Good grief. Well, DTNS is made possible by all of you listening and supporting us every single day. We want to thank Paul Boyer, D. Laser, Brad with two Ds, and Glenn Marshall today. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, patrons.

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14:29All right, there's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs.

14:32Sarah Lane: Let's do it. OpenAI announced new hardware, not necessarily what you were expecting, but let's talk about it. Codex Micro is a squarish control keyboard for Codex that we first discussed on the show a few weeks back. It's a collab with WorkLouder and OpenAI, and now officially a product for$230. You might say, okay, what does this get me? It's a limited edition desktop keypad designed as a physical way to monitor and control AI agents beyond a chat window. So you can start, you can stop, you can supervise tasks using specialized agent keys. They're all LED lit, they're shiny, it's cool looking.

15:14Sarah Lane: A single tap selects the agent, double tap brings it forward into action and the different colors show where the agent is idle or thinking or finished or maybe even in an error state. Other keys allow for accepting and rejecting changes. You know, when you're starting to, when you've got something going and you're like, no, I want to steer you in a different direction. Branching threads, even a push to talk feature. Joystick controls the composer bar and codecs for dialing and selection. So this is very much a physical way to talk to your agent, where many of us are just really used to the software version of it.

15:55Sarah Lane: This doesn't have anything to do with the hardware that OpenAI is reportedly working on with Johnny Ive and co. That's the stuff that Apple is actively suing the company for on charges of stealing trade secrets from recruits who used to work at Apple. So that's a different situation. This is a real product. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reported today that the hardware will actually be a screenless and mobile smart speaker powered by ChatGPT, personality-driven, including mechanical parts so it can move around on its own. Don't know if that means it's walking, but maybe. OpenAI sees it as anticipating the needs of its users and becoming an expert on them over time.

16:37Sarah Lane: Now, Jason, I find this whole thing fascinating because I feel like agents work great as software. It's not a thing that I feel like I need as a hardware product, but it's kind of like going back to keywords. We all have our preferences and something that might be on the side, on my desk, just kind of chilling. If I use it often enough, maybe this is worth it. Maybe. I mean, I think there's a lot of like what what the so there's two different things that we're clearly talking about here. And just just to clarify, because I may have put it, you know, I don't want to confuse anyone. You've got the keyboard thing that's out right now.

17:18Then you've got the rumors of this robot thing. And so right now, kind of taking a look at the robot ish kind of first official hardware. I think so much of the design of something like this, because OpenAI is not the first to kind of think about this necessarily. Maybe they'll be the first to get it right or whatever. But is this idea of embodied AI, the fact that we're becoming so used to talking and having what we as humans feel like are conversations with the computer, with the AI model, and doesn't it make sense then that that should be in some sort of embodied state that follows you around and anticipates all your needs and learns what you actually want and need over time and all these things that in some way, shape, or form we're getting used to more so.

18:04inside of the chat window. I'm not certain that everybody needs that, but I'm also not certain that there won't be a time somewhere down the timeline where that becomes more normalized. I feel like we're a long ways away from that. And I don't know about a little rolling chat GPT screen is the sort of thing that many people are going to be like, heck yeah, sign me up. But I could be wrong. I don't know.

18:26Sarah Lane: I don't know. $230 sounds high to me. For the keyboard. The 230 is for the keyboard, right? It's for the keyboard. Not the robot. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. The, you know, the robot is, you know, we're, we're in rumor mill, um, uh, stance right now, but, uh, but yeah, even that feels, um, it feels high to me. It does to me too. And, uh, it doesn't mean that it's not a great, uh, product. I think that you have those of us who say, well, I use, I use this stuff a lot and this is how it would be helpful in my workflow. And then you've got kind of the head scratchy people who are like, wait, what is it doing?

19:07Sarah Lane: It's not going to do anything that it doesn't already do software-wise. It's truly just like, how do you want your workplace to be set up? Yeah. Well, yeah. And so much of taking the keyboard side of this, like it's an extra peripheral that I imagine would make you faster at doing all of your AI things in chat. Exactly. But so much of my interaction with these things is in the screen because it's, you know, maybe it's speaking some of this stuff out loud, but I'm very grounded in visual as a person, you know, on a personal level. And so I don't know that having a separate, you know, like keyboard to like fire off an agent, like I still gotta, I don't know.

19:53Well, maybe not though, because now when I think of it, if it has the voice of text, then I'm using the voice of text on the keyboard to tell the agent what I want it to do. I'm firing it off. I'm noticing, oh, it ran into an error because it's red. I don't know. I hit that button and what? It takes me to it on the screen and we figure it out. I don't understand how the orchestration works, but I agree with you. It's niche.

20:12Sarah Lane: It feels like a hotkey thing to me. Yes. That's what it feels like to me too. Right. For example, if I'm in Logic Pro, which is my audio interface of choice, and I can go up into the file menu and I can find things, But I've got hotkeys that, does it save me hours of my day? Maybe not. But it just feels like muscle memory kind of thing. And once you get cranking on this stuff, if you are really using an agent kind of all day, every day, I can see where this does make sense. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're able to kind of reprogram yourself in how you work with these things, you know, commit yourself to a keyboard like that for a couple of days probably is what it might take, you know, to be like, no, this is just how I'm going to force myself to interact with these things.

21:02Maybe in on the other side of that learning, it is, you know, it does speed up things. And then you'll be an AI master. That's all you need to do. Get this$230 keyboard. You'll be an AI master. Yeah. Yeah. Shifting gears. We have OnePlus smartphone company and And rumors have definitely been swirling for months at this point about the company possibly getting out of the U.S. market, which would bring a tear to my eye personally. Seems that things are going probably going to come to a head this week. That's according to Mark Gurman as the latest person reporting on this from Bloomberg. The company is restructuring, restructuring.

21:40There we go. That's the word restructuring under its parent company, Oppo, plans to withdraw from most global markets. The announcement, like I said, expected by the end of the week could come a little later, but it seems like that's what everybody is pointing to at this point. OnePlus would stay active in China by 2027 only, maybe India as well, but definitely China might be its only market by 2027. real me which is another oppo phone brand oppo of course owns real me owns uh one plus uh this is why this is so confusing by the way uh would exit the chinese market as oppo focuses uh on central europe and the nordic nordic region where it sees better performance now one plus has reportedly stalled in the u.s that's why this is happening also in europe and india um apple and samsung of course, dominate in those areas.

22:32OnePlus has had a hard time competing, I guess. Even Motorola and Google are now outranking OnePlus in some of those regions. So then you have rising memory and component costs. You have the geopolitical aspects and concerns around selling Chinese branded phones in the US, all that making it worse for OnePlus. At this stage, anyways, OnePlus and Oppo have declined to comment, but it's really sounding like multiple different directions. And now with Mark Gurman, who's pretty good with these kind of leaks and everything, saying, yeah, this is coming.

23:04Sarah Lane: He's pretty good with the rumors. So you mentioned, Jason, that this would be a bummer for you. Are you rocking a OnePlus phone? No, I don't have a OnePlus as my daily driver right now. The standard, my typical daily driver phone is a Pixel, whatever the latest Pixel is. But I've used OnePlus since the beginning. I've certainly had OnePlus phones as my daily driver. I just have always appreciated their approach to kind of doing things a little differently. And I think in recent years, that innovation, that innovative kind of quality of their brand has kind of tampered down. And I think that's part of what we're seeing here is it started to become less differentiated.

23:47It started to get really confusing as far as the differences between OnePlus and Oppo and Realme. And I think the parent company oppo commanding one plus there was a while there where they weren't being very clear and upfront about that fact and then once they were then those brands started to kind of meld

24:03Sarah Lane: together it's just like one plus lost its identity is what yeah i mean i i i would uh i would not fault anybody for being like oppo and one plus or the same company yeah it's confusing yeah so So, okay, so going back to what OnePlus reportedly is doing is dialing back from markets where they're not dominating. You know, anybody who's not Google, Apple, Samsung, I don't know, throw the nothing phone in there as well. It's like you're in the market, but you're not top dog. But it depends on where we're talking. And it sounds like OnePlus feels like China, good market for them. And like you mentioned, memory costs and just sort of various supply chain issues that all companies are dealing with right now.

25:00Sarah Lane: For the company to say, for I guess Oppo to say for OnePlus, let's focus on where we're selling stuff. Let's focus on that. That, I don't know, maybe that seems like a negative. Well, I mean, it's going to seem like a negative for certain investors. But to double down on where you succeed rather than trying to keep making inroads in where you're not succeeding. I don't know anybody who has a OnePlus phone. Now, I live in the US. And if I lived elsewhere, it would be a different story. but uh it just you just don't see them so so yeah to to exit a market where you're not succeeding doesn't doesn't feel like a failure to me it's not bad business no it's certainly not bad business it makes sense that they would do that it makes sense that they would do that i'm just sad on the front that like i've been there since the beginning with the with the brand and kind of seen them really um really kind of turn the industry upside down when they first came out they were doing a lot for a little.

26:09And it was really impressive to see a brand new income and enter the market and be able to have that much impact and influence on things. And nothing stays the same forever. And that's just what we're seeing with OnePlus.

26:21Sarah Lane: Now, what's the quote? If nothing, we're always inconsistent. I don't know. I'm probably quoting that wrong. I wish I could help you on that one, Sarah. Basically, everything changes. Everything changes. Yeah, everything, yes, nothing stays the same. Speaking of changing, Reuters sources report that Stripe and Advent International have jointly offered to buy PayPal, valuing the company at more than$53 billion. The deal includes an offer of$60.50 per share and is backed by$50 billion in committed bank financing. The offer reportedly also came earlier this month after initial approach back in April.

27:05Sarah Lane: So they've been working on it for a while. Stripe and Advent are looking for equal stakes in the company. So 50-50. Some analysts believe that this is a lowball offer, though, and could possibly go as high as$70 per share. None of the companies are commenting on this potential deal. Yeah, but I mean, it's already got Wall Street, you know, doing what it does with PayPal. I think PayPal is up like 15 % on this and everything like that. Yeah, there are definitely some excited people about this. It just, you know, and I am not a Wall Street financial expert, and I will not pretend to be. But there was a time where I was like, PayPal would be the company buying the other company.

27:46Oh, yeah.

27:48Sarah Lane: This news kind of hit me like a brick. Like, what? See our previous conversation about change. Yeah, we're buying eBay, we're buying PayPal. All these old stalwarts who seemed like they just were infallible. Yeah. It's interesting how these things do shift all over the place. But at the same time, PayPal has slowed its growth. You can feel that as someone who's used PayPal for a very, very long time. It does seem like they are far less relevant now than they ever have been. You've got Apple Pay. I mean, that's how I get paid twice a month. I love PayPal. I mean, I still get paid. I still use it.

28:29But it used to be the thing I used. And now it's like, oh, yeah, I have it for that one thing. But, you know, or it's like a fallback. It's rarely ever the primary for me.

28:40Sarah Lane: Well, and then, you know, PayPal bought Venmo back in the day. And they effectively do the exact same thing. Yeah, yeah. But Venmo is just a little bit more sort of like mobile focused. But PayPal has a mobile app, too. That never made sense to me. That was the one point where I was sort of like, well, okay, I could use either one. It doesn't really matter. But why do we have two? Yeah. Yeah. And then if this does come to pass, you got Stripe, which has the merchant side of the business. PayPal has all those consumer accounts, has the Venmo, like you said, the checkout and everything. That could be a pretty powerful network combo.

29:18Yeah. That could make sense. Yeah.

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31:15all right it's time for some quick headlines just good to know make you look really smart

31:19Sarah Lane: smarter than you already are yeah you're very smart but you know we're about to make you smarter google and epic have officially withdrawn their proposed settlement meaning that google will carry rival third-party app stores inside the play store starting at july 22nd under the original court injunction. The US app listings are automatically available to those stores unless developers decide to opt out. Oh boy, next week. That's a big week. It's a big moment, years in the making. Big thanks to Motang and our subreddit for letting us know that Google is now also counting all Android backup data toward your account storage cap, not just your photos and your medias.

32:00Now that might sound intimidating, but the company says it should only really add around 40 megabytes on average to your storage. So it's not a big deal.

32:10Sarah Lane: Okay, Google. I don't think you know me and my storage limits. But yeah, 40 megabytes, not a big deal. But your mileage may vary. Yeah, yeah, indeed. China's new AI companion regulations took effect this week, banning chatbots that simulate romantic or familial bonds. So, you know, don't try to be my boyfriend or my dad. ByteDance, Alibaba, and Tencent all suspended their custom persona features ahead of the deadline. Interesting. A federal judge has dismissed a$32.8 billion class action lawsuit accusing Apple of failing to stop CSAM, that is child sexual abuse material on iCloud, ruling that Section 230 actually shields the company in this case.

32:58It was dismissed with prejudice. As such, that means it cannot be refiled.

33:03Sarah Lane: The UK announced that social media apps will be unavailable by default to 16 and 17-year-olds between midnight and 6 a.m. starting in the spring of 2027. Social media curfew. It's a thing. Motorola launched the Edge 70 Max with Qi 2.2 magnetic magnetic wireless charging, making it one of only a handful of Android phones, including the Pixel lineup, the latest one, that can magnetically latch onto a charger. I'm guessing we're going to see a lot more of this in the coming year or two, but this one is right around$570 when you convert it in India. The White House in the U.S. unveiled Gold Eagle, a treasury-led clearinghouse for sharing AI cyber threat intelligence between the government and the private sector.

33:53Sarah Lane: Would CISA, DHS, and the Department of Defense all contributing? 26 current and former Meta employees suing the company. They are alleging that Meta's internal AI system selected workers on medical, parental, and family leave for layoffs because those systems measured productivity and output that the employees actually couldn't achieve because they were on leave. So that's not good. They are really setting you up for failure there. Like, hey, have fun, you know, recharge. Also, you weren't working hard enough on your vacation. Apple intelligence has been registered with China's cyberspace regulator, which is a required step before the service can launch on iPhones in China.

34:42Sarah Lane: It'll use AI models from Alibaba and Baidu. No ROLA date been announced just yet. Okay. And finally, that felt tip pen that Buzz Aldrin, astronaut Buzz Aldrin, used to fix a broken circuit breaker and get Apollo 11 off the moon, sold at Sotheby's auction for$857 ,600. Aldrin had jammed the pen into the switch to complete the circuit after he had bumped the breaker with his backpack. So that's the story behind it. You can get that pen or you can't anymore because somebody already did. I feel like this is a good, just a reminder, like every time you're like, oh, man, I just spilled my soup. It's like, well, Buzz Aldrin.

35:25Sarah Lane: Oh, yeah. You know what Buzz did. Bumped his backpack. Like, we've all been there. What would Buzz do is the T-shirt that we should wear in that situation. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, Mike Akins wants to bring an Australian perspective to the controls on the Internet for children happening in this country. Yeah. Sorry, in his country, in Australia. Yeah, and thanks, Mike, for this. Mike has been a supporter of ours for a very long time. Mike says, I do think U.S. attitudes to the appropriate role of government and the responsibilities of corporations that offer social media services are quite different between our countries.

36:04Sarah Lane: Often the DTNS crew reflect on the efficacy or lack thereof of the landmark Australian laws regarding children's access to social media services. In those discussions, there's often a flavor of focusing on whether motivated people can bypass the spirit and intent of the law. I felt from the start that this is missing the reasons behind why Australian parents are, by and large, very supportive of the efforts of our governments to establish a framework within which these large U.S. and Chinese social media firms should operate regarding Australian children. Mike says, the intent is more that global social media firms that operate and make significant revenue from advertising and data mining across Australian population understand that a sovereign country has the right to assert that uncontrolled access by monitors is not okay.

36:56Sarah Lane: The where and how that these companies implement the expectations of the legislation is for these companies to manage and decide, and not for governments. Mike says, taking this approach as a baseline, and he added a link which we'll put in our show notes. This link is to today's foundation speech by the Aussie PM regarding AI. Mike adds that here. He says, it's a short read, but I recommend it. reiterating the Australian sovereignty over what media and services operate within Australia and how and where the minds and assets of our population are used in both social media and AI training and development remain appropriate focal points for an elected government to operate.

37:41Yeah. I mean, hey, I appreciate the very comprehensive perspective. Me too. Yeah, I don't have any qualms with figuring these things out in the ways that they are.

37:55Sarah Lane: Well, and, you know, and Jason, your kids are both teenagers, right? Yeah, oh yeah. At this point. 15 and 16. Yeah. And, you know, so, you know, still children. And I feel like, you know, the idea of like children versus teens, it's like, well, they're all children. You know, they're different kinds of children, right? You know, depending on your age. But a lot of this is more and more, and I don't have kids myself, so I don't really have a dog in the race or in the fight. But I get what Mike is saying, that it just works for him. What's going on right now feels like a step in the right direction for all involved.

38:41And I know that he's not alone. I think a lot of people feel that way. As a parent of kids, even when you're trying your best to kind of figure your way through this, it can feel like too much and kind of unfair and like the cards are stacked against you. So I don't think Mike is alone in that. I would agree with that for sure.

39:02Sarah Lane: Well, you might be thinking about something that we hit on today or something that we might talk about in a future show. If you have insight into a story or a future story, do let us know. We read every single email we get. Feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Thanks again to Mike Akins for contributing to today's show. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron. Very easy. Go to patreon.com slash DTNS. We'll see you tomorrow.

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