Snap’s Specs Are AR Glasses Without the Puck - DTNS 5291

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2:35This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, June 16th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context on all of it, and help each other understand. At least we hope so. So today, Snap pulled the rug out from under us and unveiled new tether-free augmented reality glasses that look like normal glasses, not like an Apple Vision Pro, called Specs. And they did it right before we started recording. Thanks, Snap. We were like, let's go over and record. Oh, wait a minute. Actually, we're going to have to wait. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Todd Merritt. We're going to start with what you need to know with the big story.

3:12and you might wear that big story on your face sometime soon um like tom said right before showtime so this is fresh fresh news uh it smells so good uh snap announced that it opened pre-orders for specs which are its augmented reality glasses uh kind of anticipated we've we've known that They're working on something along these lines. So now we have it. Built-in proprietary liquid crystal on silicon display. So you've got the display in there. That's what makes it AR after all. Capable of 51-degree field of view, 16 million colors. So full color. It's not like a monochrome thing or anything like that.

3:53The glasses do not require the use, as you said, Tom, of a computing pack. So all that technology, all that hardware embedded inside of the frame, which I definitely have thoughts about that. Specs come in two different sizes. So you've got 47 millimeter, you got 52 millimeter. So depending on size of your face, or if you like how the different sizes fit, there you go, you've got options. Support for prescription inserts, and they have standard cameras, along with infrared cameras. There is a recording indicator light. So if you're using those standard cameras to record your environment, at least people will know until someone inevitably hacks them.

4:32Inside the glasses, two Snapdragon processors. One is dedicated to the computer vision capabilities of the specs, the other for the AR lenses, the lenses themselves, kind of driving what you see and supporting that. There is support for hand tracking. They call out low latency on that. And Snap says battery life can reach up to four hours per charge that's extendable to 20 hours but you've got that charging case that it stashes in so you're not going to get 20 hours at a time you're you know you're just gonna have to throw them in the case to top it up basically and uh you can pre-order now there is a 200 refundable deposit shipping is expected um this fall in the us uk and france and you're going to be paying for these glasses,$2 ,195.

5:21So they are not inexpensive. This is Apple Vision Pro prices for something that looks like glasses. So I think that's important to get across to people is these look more like an X-Reel or even closer to the Ray-Ban Metas, although not entirely because they are quite a bit thicker, but they are promising tether-free augmented reality. Now, granted, 51 degrees field of view, you're not going to get encased in an augmented world here, but they'll be able to put some pointers up there and navigation and filters and fun things like that. That's what Snap does. They can work offline. So if you load in some things, they are still location aware and context aware and can do things for you that way.

6:06But they also have Wi-Fi 6 built into them as well as Bluetooth. So you can connect them to Wi-Fi. Obviously in your house, that is good. How often you'll need augmented reality in your house or not depends on how you're using them because they can work as a display as well. You can tether them to a device and use them as a display. But when you're out and about in the world, you can tether them to your phone. So they don't have to be tethered to your phone for the display stuff. But if you want the internet connection, you can use your phone as a hotspot and tether them that way. I think There's some ingenious little quirks and design choices here that make these compelling, whether these end up being the thing or even the first generation of the thing or not.

6:51I don't know, but they point the way and they restored my faith in my prediction that this is the year of the smart classes. Yeah. So.

7:05Frames themselves. If that's the case and you're using these in a kind of dynamic way, getting four hours out of them is actually pretty good. Like I've played around with some of these glasses that have all of the compute embedded into the glasses and you don't have a separate puck. And I'm telling you, the battery life on the ones that I've used is not very good. So if you could truly get four hours, that's at least in a realm of usability that like if you're leaving the house for an event or for a thing and you want this to be useful, four hours is long enough that like you can cover much of that probably.

7:41Clearly, you're not getting full day usage out of this. But I mean, even some of the ones that I've used, like I think it's the Inmo pair of glasses that I have somewhere on my table here. I mean, those, when you're actively using them and all that compute's embedded into the frame, you get like 45 minutes maybe, which isn't quite enough to even do a thing when you're out and about in the world, depending on how you're using it. So I think that's pretty critical for something that seems to be very well-powered here. Yeah. Now on tomorrow's show, we'll catch you up with some of the other things coming out of the AWE conference.

8:16For example, Qualcomm announcing its new Snapdragon Reality Elite chip, which is made for augmented reality VR, MR devices, and is going to power Xreal Aura, which is now officially launched, apparently. Like as we are recording, Xreal dropped the project from Project Aura and officially said that that's the name of it. The Android XR Aura glasses. No price tag yet on that stuff. So, again, we'll probably hear more details about that to talk about on tomorrow's show. But it does feel like the Augmented World Expo has suddenly launched itself into prominence with a couple of big name announcements.

8:59And that is, I think, a trend to watch for the rest of this year is that the Snap specs are good looking. They look first gen, but they are good looking. They have a little bit of a safety glasses kind of quality to them. A little bit, but not like some of the ones I've seen in the past, right? Considering, I should put, considering it's all encompassing, considering you don't have to plug it into anything else. And that you get four hours of battery life hours. So, yeah, that's pretty great. It's a real trade-off because when it comes to smart glasses and the kind of direction that things are going with Aura, with these, and I'm sure others that are working in something similar like this, it's not just about what we've seen from meta-ray bands where you just take pictures and it contextualizes.

9:48It's about true AR, overlaying useful information on top, allowing for that interactivity. connectivity, that requires a lot of resource, that requires a lot of power and chips to drive it. It's got to go somewhere. And so those frames, they do end up kind of thickening up. If you're not outsourcing it to a puck, then those frames are going to get a little chunkier. And if you go thin the way, because I think the common kind of pushback to that is, well, I don't want to wear ugly glasses on my face. Well, then you go thin and then you get kind of what I've been talking about like 30 minutes of battery life or you get something that's underpowered and doesn't actually deliver on the capability, you know, maybe there's going to be a breakthrough there where, um, where you can kind of get both.

10:31But right now this is, this is kind of where we're at. So it's the trade-off you have to make snaps. Evan Spiegel, uh, thrown a bunch of shade on meta during his announcement as you, as you might've guessed, but the two of the things that stuck out of me, uh, one was like audio only glasses are not where it's at that, that is just, you know, He basically was implying that's just giving you half the capability of what these glasses can do. Obviously, that's what he's hoping you'll think of with specs. But also, they're going to imitate everything we do up there. And so we have 7 ,000 patents on how we did this.

11:04A little bit of throwing down the gauntlet for Meta and its race for glasses, which is great for us. We have Project Aura. We have Snap specs. we've got meta ray bands and oakley's and and all of that uh so yeah this is good this is good for us as a consumer good for qualcomm too because they can sell chips to everybody 100 and uh i just noticed the uh the led blinking led is right above the bridge of your nose so there's no denying it if you're looking at someone's face yeah you'll know immediately it's like right on the forehead spot it's like oh you're recording right now good good probably a good move there too as well yeah Well, thank you.

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14:37All right, there's so much more we need to know today, so let's get to the briefs. Yes, thanks to a longtime DTNS supporter and sometime contributor DJ Sakani for posting this one up on the DTNS subreddit. CEO of Luta Security, Katie Masuris, says Anthropic asked for her take on the third-party research paper, presumably from Amazon researchers, though she didn't name them in her blog post. That is the research paper that demonstrated the Fable 5 guardrail bypass. She implies that Anthropic asked her opinion of it before the discussions with the U.S. that eventually led to the decision to ban foreign nationals from accessing Fable 5 and Mythos and therefore lead Anthropic to disable access for those two models for all users.

15:27Masuris claims that the researchers in this paper, the paper that started it all, took open source code with known vulnerabilities, as well as code they had deliberately planted with vulnerabilities, and then asked Fable 5, Mythos, and Opus to, quote, review the code for security security issues and Fable 5 refused. That is how it's supposed to work. Like, hey, you're trying to do some hacking. I'm Fable 5. I don't do that. They then asked the models to, quote, fix this code. That's all she said. There may have been more to the prompt, but fix this code. So in other words, changing it from look for security issues to, hey, this is broken.

16:08can help me fix it, got some advice from Fable 5, which they then manually turned into scripts to test the patches. And those scripts are kind of a malware, but they're the kind of malware you do as a security researcher to make sure your fix works. And she argues that fix the code is a defensive request, which is why the model complied. And she has a lot of history in arguing for defensive requests and standards organizations and elsewhere, and says, look, Fable 5 is not going to be very useful for anyone if it can't help you fix things. Meanwhile, the information reporting that Anthropics team, not including CEO Dario Mode and U.S.

16:49administration officials, did meet on Monday, as we were saying they were supposed to. However, they have not reached an agreement. They are continuing to work to resolve the export ban on Fable 5 and Mythos, and conventional wisdom is it's going to take a few days. But it does. Listen, Masuris is clearly on Anthropik's side here. So I wouldn't get too excited about what she says being the smoking gun. But this tracks for me, Jason. I could see this being something where a researcher says, well, technically it shouldn't have done that. Let me pass this along. somebody showing it to somebody else who's like, hmm, they really shouldn't do that.

17:29And I can see Anthropics saying, well, we can't fix that. That's a feature. That's something Fable 5 needs to do. Yeah. Well, and I think it's easy to look at something like this and think guardrails, I think this actually comes up later in the email in a completely different angle, but is this idea that putting guardrails in for something like this is never going to catch every single thing, right? Like it's an effort to, to put a roadblock in place. Some people see guard rails and they automatically think it's going to prevent any and every possible kind of direction that, you know, that we don't want to have happen with this.

18:09And that's just not the case. There are always ways around it. It's always, it's interesting to me when something is as easy as, like you said, fix this code. You know, you just don't really know with these models, how these things might actually work their way around some of these guardrails. And that's just kind of the point. These models, there's no 100 % foolproof way to do that. Now, it's tempting, I think, if you're from a certain point of view, to yell, see, they're being ridiculous. But the fact is, there's not just ridiculousness behind the dispute with Anthropic. My guess is there were probably some other issues here.

18:52I've seen some reporting saying that there were concerns a week before this that Anthropic was being asked to address and was dragging its feet. And that's where we go back to Justin Robert Young's commentary on this yesterday on the show, that this is the straw that broke the camel's back. And that's why it looks like, why would this cause them to ban, you know, to do it to an export ban? And it seems more like they want Anthropic to have a different attitude to fix their attitude. You know, it's a very old fashioned way of like, you need to be nicer about this kind of attitude adjustment. Yeah, yeah.

19:28And and I think Anthropic is does approach these conversations with a little bit of arrogance, as do a lot of technology companies. And that does not go down well. So I go back to what we said on Monday. This is more about the personalities involved than the technology involved, especially after I've seen Masaurus's details on this. Yeah, I think you're right. SpaceX has exercised the option to acquire AnySphere. AnySphere is the parent company of AI coding tool Cursor. If completed, it would make this the largest acquisition of a VC-backed startup ever. SpaceX has secured the option to acquire Cursor back in April.

20:08So this isn't like entirely new news. Then with the choice of either paying around$10 billion for a partnership or$60 billion for the whole company, which clearly that's what they chose to do. If for whatever reason the deal actually falls through, SpaceX has agreed to pay Cursor a$1.5 billion termination fee plus$8.5 billion in computing resources. So no matter what, Cursor kind of in a sweet spot here. SpaceX has shared that the two companies have been jointly training a model. they shared this, I think, back in April as well, called Grok V9 Medium. For the past few months, it will ship inside Cursor and Grok build 1.5 trillion parameters built on XAI's Colossus Super Cluster, which was apparently necessary in order to do that.

20:54Yeah. When I talk about these stories, I usually leave out the dollar amounts. I think the only reason it's important to mention it here is that it's the same dollar amount they said back in April, so the price didn't go up. But that's also a very big dollar amount for a company because Cursor was like, we don't have to sell. But here's the number at which we will. And SpaceX wants that because it's going to supercharge their ability to be seen as a competitor in this space. Cursor is considered to be, by some, superior to Codex, and Codex is considered to be amazing. And some people argue that Codex is better, but it's close.

21:31So now SpaceX suddenly is in the game because they have Cursor. Where are they going to run Cursor? Well, I mean, Cursor has its own data centers now, but XAI has also been renting out a lot of its capacity. Of course, everybody's building capacity, so capacity shortages aren't unique to them. But I think that's the takeaway for me on this story is SpaceX and XAI, its subsidiary, just put themselves back into the conversation. Yeah, indeed. And I mean, just immediately following a very big week for SpaceX as well. Of course, like we talked late last week, their IPO, which was also... I hadn't heard about it, no.

22:10Yeah, it happened. Just so you know. It's still going up, by the way. Some members of this show's panels were saying they thought maybe shorting it was a good idea. And maybe it still will be, but that SpaceX stock has continued to rocket, you might say. Oh, I see what you did there. Commodore's brand equity is also rocketing. Commodore has been very popular with its reintroduction of the Commodore 64 as a nostalgia machine. And now they've done something that mixes nostalgia with modern practicality, a flip phone, the Callback 8020, marketed for people who want to detox, digital detox. They want to be able to keep in touch, but they don't want to doom scroll.

22:57This runs Sailfish OS, which is built by Yola. It's often considered an alternative to Android. The phone is targeting users looking for that digital detox experience where you don't have a browser, you don't have email, you don't have social media apps, you don't even have Slack. And not only do you not have these, but you can't put them on it. uh commodore is blocking all of those kinds of services at the operating system level to stop you from sideloading the app which you can do on sailfish for other apps and at the dns level so even if you get tiktok on this phone uh it won't be able to connect to tiktok because the phone itself will be like yeah i don't i don't connect to that domain name outside of those restrictions though sailfish os runs the way it would normally run and has a compatibility layer that supports It's more than 99 % of Android apps.

23:51So you'll be able to use WhatsApp and Signal and Spotify and even Google Maps is going to be available on this. The clamshell has a 1.77-inch outer display, T9 keyboard. Yeah. So you might need to get reacquainted with the T9, although you can do voice dictation. It does do speech-to-text. Sony rear camera is a 48-megapixel camera. I think it's a decent camera. and also has a retro camcorder mode. When you do your video, it can look old-fashioned. Comes in five colors, the most expensive being a gold finish with 24-karat gold Commodore button. You can pre-order it starting June 30th. They've got a discount on the wait list.

24:33Prices start at$500 or$640 if you'd like the gold Commodore button delivery expected to start in Q4. I recognize... Okay, so first of all, huge Commodore fan. I know you are too. Anytime, you know, now that this whole Commodore resurgence is happening, anytime something like this, you know, they make news. I'm always very curious just from that nerdy kind of nostalgic perspective. I love the design of these things because, oh, boy, is it nostalgia-tastic. It really does look like a total throwback to the early 80s, which, I mean, would you imagine anything, you know, outside of that? I think it's really interesting to me that not only do they say, this is digital detox, you can't use these apps, but they really go one step further and say, no, we're serious.

25:21You can't use these apps. You're not going to use them even if you want to. Even though we can install – you should be able to technically install these apps if you want to. They're Android apps and that should work. They're like, no, we don't trust you. We're not going to let you do that. And I guess on the flip side of that, if you are a buyer and you're considering this phone, you're kind of buying into that contract. You're saying, no, I'm getting this because it's a digital detox device and that's why I'm getting it. Yeah. If you don't want a phone that stops you from using TikTok, then you shouldn't get the callback 8020.

25:57Because, you know, and I think what they're doing is this is for your own good. If you're the kind of person who's like, take my cigarettes and hide them and don't let me know where they are no matter what I say to you, that old situation from 1970s sitcoms, this is that for phones. This is that for social media. I will demand that you give me my Facebook app later. Don't let me. And that's what the operating system is doing here. Yeah. Pretty fascinating way of going about it. And also very cool retro to say, we'll let you have your Uber app. We're not going to be so retro that we're going to make it too restrictive.

26:36And that's one of the things that the developers of this said is they had tried some of these other digital detoxes, but they went too far. Yeah. Well, and yeah, I think they're marketing it appropriately. Inevitably, though, there's going to be some people out there that just want this because it looks darn cool. And then they'll jailbreak it or put a new operating system on it or something. I'm sure. Which is fine. They will. I don't think Commodore is going to mind. They're going to the lengths that they're going to to say, like, we don't want to make it easy for you to give in to temptation and install TikTok again.

27:09And they even said this is meant to be a device that, like, it's your evening and weekend device. You might have your daytime work device that does all the things. But now you have an option where you can put all those things to the side and still get the stuff you need, like Uber and whatever. Also, I know a few of you sharp-eared people already noticed this, but the callback 8020 is the next model number after the old acoustic modem, which was the 8010. Yes, there we go. I love that. That's beautiful. Absolutely love it. And Microsoft unveiled its latest consumer Surface laptop and Surface Pro models, both running Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 chips.

27:50Both devices use either the 10-core Snapdragon X2 Plus or the 12-core X2 Elite. Microsoft says graphic performance has very much improved on these, up to 53 % on the Surface Pro, 58 % on the Surface laptop, compared to the last model. Surface Pro 13-inch gets between 16 to 64 gigs of RAM, so you've got some very expensive RAM options, up to a terabyte of storage, an optional OLED display. It doesn't have a 5G option this time around, though, so you're missing out on that. Surface Laptop handles up to 2TB storage, 20 hours of battery life on the 13.8-inch model. You get a little bit less on the 15-inch model.

28:35I think it's like 19 hours, which is interesting that it's larger, but you get less. But maybe that's because it's driving the larger screen. Microsoft also says it has updated the webcams on both devices. And this is a shortcoming that people have complained about on previous models. So there you go. Maybe it's better. You're going to have to tell us. Prices for both devices, though, have increased pretty considerably. The previous generation launched right at$1 ,000 in 2024. These start at$1 ,500 for the Surface Pro 3 13-inch and$1 ,600 for the 13.8 and 15-inch Surface laptops. So that's about a$500 increase at least from the previous generation.

29:17And I mean, we could sing the song simultaneously as far as why that is. Yeah, the takeaway here is Microsoft putting out Qualcomm versions of the Surface laptops that they put out previously for enterprise with Intel. So not only are these consumer versions, but there are also business versions with the Qualcomm chips, with the ARM-based chips in there. And I guess the second takeaway is everything's$500 to$600 more expensive these days when you have to put that much RAM into something, as well as solid state drives and just parts in general are more expensive right now. It's all more expensive.

29:54So again, I think we say this every time, expect more of this. This just kind of seems to be the way as we head through 2026. Yeah, that's one of the reasons that we have a show called Live With It that reviews products we actually live with so that maybe you can buy an older product and save some money and understand what it's going to be like. Live With It, hosted by Sarah Lane with Roger Chang, has its own YouTube channel and now its own Patreon. If you've been getting it as part of DTNS, it has graduated and starting in July, it's going to be off on its own. So if you want to get it ad free, if you want to support Live With It directly as we spread our wings, head to patreon.com slash livewithit and let us know what you'd like to see on it in the future.

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31:36Advanced, intuitive, and deployed. That's how they stack. That's technology at Capital One.

31:45All right, we got a handful of quick headlines that are good to know might make you look smarter in the future. threads now is comparable to x it announced it has reached 500 million monthly active users uh and launched a couple of new features one of them called your algo a private way to use natural language to tell the algorithm what kind of post you'd like to see more or less of instead of having to do it in a thread post which you could do before now you can do it privately rolling out to australia canada new zealand the uk and the us okay go threads microsoft's github is so swamped with new code that Business Insider is reporting that Microsoft has had to turn to AWS to help it meet capacity and to avoid repeated outages.

32:31I wasn't expecting that one, but I like it. I doubt they're going to stay using AWS any longer than they absolutely have to, but that is interesting. PopSockets announced the Low Pro, a new grip design for phones that sits lower than the camera bump when it's collapsed. Those are on sale now for 40 bucks at Apple stores. Yeah, it's a low, like slim profile. It's kind of nice. You know, those little pop sockets, they just kind of jut it out. They're kind of ugly, in my opinion. But anyways, lots of people like them. Anyways, Apple sign in with Apple and iCloud Plus hide my email functions. Soon we'll share the same domain that is private.icloud.com.

33:14Users might actually not notice since everything will forward, but developers will need to update their systems. So keep that in mind. Yeah. Samsung announced a version of its Galaxy Book 6 series of laptops with a Snapdragon X2 Elite chip instead of Intel. It's the theme of the day. People give an ARM versions of Intel stuff. It's called the Galaxy Book 6 Edge. The 16-inch laptop starts at$2 ,999. And you may say that's expensive until you hear it has 16 gigabytes of RAM. That's probably worth$3 ,000 right there as well as a terabyte of storage, and it is available now. There you go. Lenovo announced the Tab Plus Gen 2 tablet.

33:54Larger display, 360-degree rotating kickstand, nine JBL Pro speakers, though you don't have a price or availability, not yet anyways. That's basically a Bluetooth speaker with a tablet. That's what that is, with that many JBLs. Yeah, totally. Absolutely. Schlaige will launch its NuSense Pro Smart Deadbolt on June 29th for$399 using ultra-wideband so that you can unlock it with a key fob or a phone for unlocking. And yes, it's matter and thread compliant as well. Nice. Atono's driving technology company Mobilize says it will launch its own robo-taxi service in a U.S. city next year running on Mobilize's MoveIt platform.

34:35We don't know what city that is yet, though. Bloomberg sources say that several Xbox game studios, including Compulsion Games, Ninja Theory from the UK and Double Fine, are in negotiations to buy themselves back and go independent rather than having Microsoft close them down. Interesting. I'm sure we'll hear more about that soon, possibly. And finally, Xiaomi announced a robotic arm designed for residential parking garages that can automatically plug and unplug Xiaomi SU7 and YU7 electric vehicles for charging should launch in Q4 in China with no price yet. All right. Well, there we go. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives from you.

35:16And today, Paul has some thoughts on banning social media for children. Yeah, we talked about the UK proposal for banning social media for children younger than 16. And Paul writes, while I understand that the whole issue of government mandated social media bans is very nuanced and complicated, one of the main factors that stands out for me is the idea of widespread social momentum. It kind of reminds me of how seatbelts were mandated by laws in the U.S. and Canada throughout the 1960s and 1970s. These laws didn't magically flip a switch and cause everybody to start wearing seatbelts, but they did help push the issue further out into the social discourse and helped create more awareness and discussion.

35:59A very interesting comparison there, Paul. Thank you for that. Yeah, this is what I was kind of alluding to earlier as far as the guardrails discussion that comes up. Sometimes when I'm on AI inside, I tend to be like, yeah, you know what, I'm cool with this. And sometimes Jeff kind of pushes back from the perspective of guardrails, they're kind of, I don't know, they're like a pacifier a little bit. It's kind of like, yeah, we're giving you the guardrails because that's what you're asking for, but they're kind of pointless. And like, well, that doesn't mean you don't try. That doesn't mean you don't do these things to maybe even improve the conversation around it or whatever.

36:35Well, and the seatbelt thing is a really interesting metaphor because I remember when the seatbelt law went into place in Illinois and everyone complained about it. Well, why do I? Who are you to tell me whether I should wear a seatbelt or not? And these days I think that feels silly. Everybody's like, yeah, I mean, it's a good idea to wear your seatbelt. And, you know, it's going to prevent you from hurting yourself. And there were some arguments of that, you know, you could hurt others by not wearing your seatbelt as well. So, yeah, I think that's a fair response. What do you think is a fair response?

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