Sony and Tencent’s Horizon of Friendship - DTNS 5168

0:03This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, December 18th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Sony and Tencent stopped fighting. But have they made up? Have they really made up? Are they lovers or fighters or neither? I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Winter at Now. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. So this was on top of tech meme and Google news. So I figure it's a big story. Sony sued Tencent back in July for copyright and trademark infringement, claiming that Tencent's game Light of Motorham was a, in Sony's word, slavish clone, not Slavic clown, slavish clone of Sony's own Horizon Zero Dawn.

0:52Now, Tencent agreed to stop promoting and publicly testing the game earlier in the month, indicating something was going up. And now the companies have reached a confidential settlement and dismissed the case with prejudice. That means it cannot be brought back to court later. So Tencent's free and clear. Sony can't come back and say, well, wait a minute, we're going to sue you after all, or vice versa. Light of MotorOM is no longer available on Steam or Epic's game stores. Sony's case alleged that Tencent copied aspects of Horizon Zero Dawn, as well as Horizon Forbidden West and Lego Horizon Adventures.

1:28They specifically called out the setting, having robots and humans in a post-apocalyptic area. Character appearances, one of the main characters of the Light of Motorrom used in promotions, they said, was pretty much the same character from Horizon. And that included marketing materials. Tencent has not yet closed down its Discord or the website for Light of Motorom. So it might be bringing the game back or it might just not have got around to it. Speculation abounds as to why these two companies settled rather than Sony pressing the case to its conclusion. A lot of people wanted them to. They're like, you should be like Nintendo.

2:07Just go the full length of the law. Among the theories are maybe Sony wasn't sure they could win. Tencent, when they were defending the case, were saying like, these are vague allegations. These are just similar concepts, et cetera, et cetera. And maybe Sony was worried that the judge might fall for that. Sony, or I shouldn't say fall for that to make it sound prejudiced. The judge might be convinced by Tencent. Sony agreed to let Tencent re-release the game as a licensed Horizon game. That's one I've seen a lot of people put out there is that they finally said, okay, fine, Tencent. We'll let you make a Horizon game.

2:45Tencent, in the court filing documents, allegedly asked Sony to make a Horizon game. Well, we would like to make a Horizon game for you. And Sony said no. And so Tencent did light of MotorOM as a way to sort of say, well, we're going to make one anyway. At least that is the conspiracy theory. And the last one I'll give some time to. Tencent might cut Sony in on revenue from a re-skinned version. make it less like horizon put it back out and then give sony a cut of that when do any of these uh scan for you or do you have your own pet theory i i'm kind of curious i wonder if again like maybe the reskin like if anything the reskin version although i don't imagine that would be like a quick process but it does salvage you know a lot of the elements of the game um and yeah i i suppose OSAT scans, I can't imagine Sony.

3:40So the one where, you know, the theory that they might license Light of Motorham as a Horizon game doesn't quite scan to me just because I feel like companies are so protective of their IPs that that might be a little bit weird or just fraught with, I don't know. Like you wouldn't want to be known as the, what is it, the adopted Horizon game in the family or something. no offense at all to anyone who has adopted but you know like having that like the black sheep of the horizon family yeah um and i mean it's possible sony wasn't sure they would win um because i mean i mean if so i didn't haven't played horizon zero dawn but my husband did and i have to admit that when i was looking at the story i wasn't actually sure if i was looking at marketing materials from horizon zero dawn or from light of motor ram and again i didn't play but it is a very striking similarity.

4:33And as you mentioned, like a lot of the game elements are similar, but I couldn't help but think of things like Pal World, which is the taming creatures game that a lot of people thought was kind of a Pokemon clone, although it was a bit more different. And Nintendo went after them. And Nintendo did go after them as well. And I think there, I firmly believe there was like a lot less, reason for Nintendo to go after Palworld than there is for Sony to go after Tencent. But they, I mean, but that was a slightly different case because they had patents that they were going after, like specific patents, as opposed to, you know, maybe kind of this This is just copyright and trademark, not patent.

5:18So it's a little bit different. But I don't know, like it's hard because it's one of those things where, you know, we have so many conventions in pretty much any media film and especially in games um it maybe they maybe they wouldn't feel like they would win maybe that there is an argument that you know hey there's a lot of games that look very similar but are distinct and no one's suing anyone else but um yeah i can't i couldn't help but think of power but i don't think that ended that didn't end well they didn't end in nintendo's favor as i understand but not as much as they thought wanted it no not as much as they thought and i thought one of the patents which was basically for rideable animals which is bounce which have been in games forever was a little, my husband used the word specious and I don't disagree.

5:58So it could be that even though this seems kind of cut and dry, especially for, I know armchair, like people like myself and my husband, it might seem kind of cut and dry, but maybe, maybe there are like some specific details that one could argue that it was, it was different enough that, that they wouldn't win. So I could, I could see it going either way where they're tensed and were just eager to be like, Hey, just leave us alone. We'll reskin it. Don't make us like, don't like let us like release this game that we've put, you know, resources and investment in. Or I could see Sony actually thinking maybe this is not worth the time.

6:28Maybe, yeah. I think the reason it's such a big story today is people didn't expect this to happen. They didn't expect it to happen now and they probably didn't expect it to happen at all. They expected Sony to go to the end of the case. And it's a bit early for this agreement to happen. So that makes people wonder, well, what did they agree to? Whatever 10 Cent's gonna do, Sony agreed to sign off and said, yeah, we will we'll dismiss the case without prejudice or with prejudice so that we're not going to go back after you. This is if you violate this agreement, we can sue you, but we're not going to relitigate this.

7:06And it does make me wonder if what Tencent is going to do is pull this game all the way down, use the guts of it to make a Horizon game that won't come out for a while so that it's not quite so obviously a redheaded stepchild. and that it ends up being, you know, being not lost work for Tencent and they sort of get a win, but then Sony gets to put it out as their own. It seems more likely that they're just going to change it, but they must be changing it a lot to get Sony to agree to drop the case. Agreed, agreed. I mean, that's actually a really good point. Like if they did it far enough away and like a lot of companies, a lot of IPs have this, right, where different studios work on different editions of a game, like Call of Duty and things like that.

7:56And perhaps Sony saw a monetary value in hey, they've done some percent of the work, as you said, they've done the guts, and if we wait a little bit, license it, so rather than just spending money to basically make them cease and desist releasing this game that is strikingly similar to one of our IPs, let's just turn this around and not just you know, I guess whatever the math is on making, whatever the math is on getting people to take down IP that's not yours and whether there's any like actual monetary benefit from that and turn that into actual profit if we can actually license it. And that does make sense to me.

8:33And maybe that's just a strategy that, I mean, it seems like it would benefit, it seems like the most beneficial monetarily speaking to parties. That's the one thing that I keep getting hung up on is for Sony to agree to drop the case, It must be getting a benefit out of this. And for Tencent to agree to drop the case, it must be getting away without, you know, they don't want to lose this case either. They must be getting something out of it. The argument against it being a licensed Horizon game is Sony doesn't want companies to think they can just go rip them off and then get to do a game for Sony.

9:05So they're not going to easily agree to that. Maybe they're going to distribute an entirely different game. I don't know. I'll be very curious to see if we ever find out what they're going to do, or maybe Tencent just cut them a check. I mean, it's like, let's just drop the whole thing. Who knows? Yeah, that would be interesting. And I do see that point of like setting a precedent, although not related. And I don't mean to bring up AI, but it's so interesting because today in like today's world, I mean, we've had game clones for a long time, right? That's just a thing that happens. people will make pretty much very similar games and name them something like Russian Block Game instead of like, you know, the actual name of the T-E-T-R-I-S game.

9:44And I mean, that's been happening like across genres and like even way before, like for decades now. One of my favorite Commodore 64 games was Toy Bazaar, which was just Super Mario, but it was not - They called it Toy Bazaar? Yeah. Was the art style similar or was it just a mechanic? No, it was different art and different characters that the mechanics were all exactly the same. Gotcha. Did you hit blocks with your face and get like a broccoli out instead of a mushroom or something like that? Jump over things, jump and punch, jump and punch. Yeah, it's just so interesting because like these days, I feel like that's kind of gone into overdrive with AI because of course of the glut of kind of AI, either specifically made, but like AI assisted development or just literally like AI flop, we'll call it.

10:27I know personally from the Steam store, the Steam store and other places. that maybe I can't help but wonder if that's also factoring into it. It's like, hey, this is a legitimate game. Like maybe we need to kind of just also work within the bounds that we have so that we don't necessarily dilute the IPs that we have, but we can kind of like bring in, I say legitimate, but like, I don't know, handmade, handspun, like, you know, artisan, bespoke games and IP into the fold rather than, you know, like kind of attacking things that are similar. It just feels like a losing battle. I feel like lawyers wouldn't care about that, but maybe enough people in the developer teams convinced folks to take that line.

11:09It's an interesting thought. Yeah, but I guess we'll see how it turns out. I actually would be surprised. So I just kind of assume that most companies would want to just furiously protect their IP. But hey, they made up. We'll see where they go from here. Maybe they'll have a nice, happy life together with many not redheaded stepchildren or what have you. Multi-colored hair. Legitimate children. Legitimate children. Oh, dear. All right. Well, DTNest is made possible by you, the listener. Let's take a little time to thank Alo, Adam L., Philip Les, and Howard Yermich. Yay. Thanks, everyone of you.

11:46All right. There's other news today. Let's get to the briefs. All right. Well, the information reports that OpenAI is having funding talks that value the company at, wait for it,$750 billion, which means investors think the company will keep building value unsurprisingly. All right, well, here's an example of its latest attempt. OpenAI announced that developers may now submit apps to ChatGPT and those apps will be featured in an app directory available from the tools menu and at chatgpt.com slash apps. So the directory launches with featured lifestyle and productivity categories and includes previously announced integrations like Canva, Spotify, Photoshop, Target, and a few new ones like Apple Music and DoorDash.

12:31Connector apps like Google Drive are now considered apps. To use an app, you select Connect, authorize it to access ChatGPT, and then you can start a chat related to the app and use the at symbol to mention it. Developers can now access example apps, an open source UI library, and other resources. Monetization happens by linking out to the app's website, though OpenAI says it is considering internal monetization options. Developers can also deep link to the ChatGPT version of their app. Yeah, I was happy to see Apple Music in here because I'm an Apple Music subscriber. And the first time I tried something, I was like, okay, at Apple Music, create a new playlist that combines my, well, this one playlist name with this other playlist name.

13:17And it said, I can't do that directly. Oh, dear. Yeah. So the first thing I tried didn't work, but I can't wait to have more time to try more things. And I'm assuming this will work more often than it won't. Definitely things like Instacart, DoorDash, not for meal delivery, but for grocery delivery is an example of that, too, where you can just say like, hey, I'm making I want to make this. Give me a list of all the ingredients I need to buy and then order them from DoorDash and have them delivered. That kind of stuff is what OpenAI has been pushing. And I think that could be pretty useful. I mean, I'm biased because I'm an app developer, but it feels like everything has to have an app.

13:55And even now, I guess you can find yourself really successful, not that they aren't already with$750 valuation, $750 billion valuation, sorry. But it feels like things just get like a little more settled in when you have an app ecosystem of your own. I don't know. It just feels like, you know, all these integrations, all these collaborations, corporations, it like we're doing good. People want to, people want to hang out with us and be, be part of the party. So yeah, looking forward to hearing what else comes to chat GPT. It's a, it's, it's a, it's also, I think a way to make sure that I'm like, okay, I feel maybe a little more comfortable using Dropbox this way than giving chat GPT my login because it's an app made by Dropbox, right?

14:37Yes. And that's going to make these tools more useful. 100%. Speaking of app stores, Japan's Mobile Software Competition Act went into effect December 18th, and Apple has announced how it will comply. Amongst the ways, Japanese users will be able to change the side button to do more things, including activate third-party voice assistants. Users will be asked to set up at, or will be asked at setup to choose a default browser and a default search engine. App makers will be able to use third-party payment systems, that's the headline, in their apps and be able to direct users to go pay on the web.

15:11You can link out that you can direct people to the web. Third-party app marketplaces will be allowed. Users will be able to set an alternative app store as their default. However, it does not let you install apps directly from the web. So you can't directly sideload. Third-party app makers can be charged different fees that are lower, but they will be charged even though they're not using the app store. Those fees will range from a minimum of 5 % if you're just making a third-party app marketplace up to 26 % is the full amount. However, if you are listing your app in the Apple app store and you're using a third-party payment system, you must always show Apple's in-app payment system as an option.

15:57The price can be different. You can charge more for the Apple version, but you have to show it and it has to be about the same size. Epic Games' Tim Sweeney said Fortnite is not going to return to iOS in Japan as he had thought because he would have to pay a 21 % fee on third-party in-app purchases. And he's very much against having to pay Apple for something if Apple's not involved in it. I do think it's a wonderful like, sorry, that all of these different cases Apple, Google, that Epic has been pushing and just kind of the other like anti-competitive practice cases that all these companies have brought against them are good things.

16:35And I'm honestly just genuinely surprised that in 2025, that these are the things that Apple is allowing, even if it's, let's air quotes, just in the Japanese market. This is, I mean, this is pretty surprising. You would not have like gotten me to believe that this was actually a thing five years ago, but it is a thing. I have had many arguments with many Apple partisans about the fact that I think it's ridiculous that you're not, that you have to pay Apple, that you're forced to use Apple in-app payment systems. And they're like, yeah, but it's not free to run the app store. I'm like, then charge to use the app store.

17:08Yes. Like it's free for me to use the Apple app store if I sell physical products, apparently. If I'm Wayfair, I don't have to take a cut. But suddenly when it's digital, it's not, never made sense to me. So this is just making it more complicated. And where I'm going with this is, I think Apple should just allow this universally. Stop fighting all these court cases. stop making it complicated that's very un-Apple just say you know what uh if you use third-party apps uh you you pay us a fee to use the app store and if you don't it's free yeah something simple like that like yeah this is ridiculous it's like well if I'm in Japan I can do this but I can't do this but if I'm in Europe maybe I can do this but in the United States I have to that's ridiculous I will say also that um being someone who's worked in software a bit and seen quite a few user things and and just as a user myself i feel that i i sort of understand like the general concept and of course we've always thought of apple as being like a a walled garden and that they control the experience and yada yada and want a certain level of quality and that's all great i do feel like because of natural human uh entropy of the fact that you know we're techie people we get all this we care we have opinions uh one way or the other we understand all this i would the The vast majority of people, you know, and I think that's why I guess I kind of feeding this off of the fact that they require that you still show the Apple store.

18:29The vast majority of people, and this is why this all worked, liked defaults, prefer things that they know over things they don't know, things that they are familiar with. And that will always give, as much as I am glad for these things to happen, that will always give companies like Apple and Google the edge, even if they like acquiesce in these situations, they will always have the edge here. And so I agree with you just from the fact that why do you, why are it like, it's, it's, it's not going to like it. I just, I agree with you. It should be a lot of the blur. My laptop operating system is a great model.

19:01Maybe just use that one. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, Facebook is testing a program where users who have enabled professional mode or use a Facebook page may only share links in two organic posts a month unless they have paid for the Meta verified subscription, which is$14.99 a month. Yeah. This isn't you have to pay$15 a month to link more than twice, but it is. You know what I mean? Yeah. Meta is like saying we want to make the$15 a month subscription more valuable. Well, of course you do. That's your business. That makes sense to me. But saying because I'm in professional mode, I can't use I can't make more than two posts that have links in them.

19:46I don't I won't I won't do that. The verified being paid to be verified is just weird to me because it's not verifying you. It's just paying to have a thing next to your name. Like it doesn't tell me anything as a user. And so I tend to not do it. But then having to pay to links means I'm just going to use your platform less or I'm going to not be professional mode anymore, which is also encouraging, you know, information to be less valuable. I mean that was my first reaction after reading this like so why would I turn on professional mode yeah right like ever I could just post all I want as long as I'm not professional but and so why would I run a Facebook page instead of just link out to my own website or something that people have been doing for decades and decades now as opposed to you know it's important I get it a lot of a lot of small businesses and stuff just use a page and a lot of small businesses will be like well it's tax deductible pay the 15 a month Facebook will make a lot of money on it That's why they're going to try.

20:45That's true. What could I do? LG announced the LG Sound Suite, which includes four speakers, including a sound bar. And here's the important part, uses Dolby Atmos Flex Connect. That is Dolby's system that lets you put the speakers anywhere you want and then calibrates them. So you get Dolby Atmos. Gives you a lot more flexibility in the kind of space. If you've ever said, well, I can't have surround sound because I have a weird room or a small room or something like that, this lets you do that. Now, normally with FlexConnect, the TV has to support it to make it work. But since this is the first FlexConnect system that has a soundbar, the soundbar, which is called the H7, acts as a lead device.

21:30So that means you can attach it to any TV. You're just attaching the soundbar to the TV and then everything else is FlexConnect. LG says its premium 2026 TVs, however, will come with FlexConnect, and it will bring it to some 2025 models as well. But if you don't have a model with FlexConnect, you might want to look at the LG SoundSuite. Don't have a price on it yet, though. Reuters reports that scientists in China have created a prototype extreme ultraviolet lithography machine for making semiconductor chips. Reuters says former engineers of lithography machine maker ASML helped develop the machine.

22:05ASML is forbidden by U.S. intellectual property export laws from selling its machines to Chinese companies. China believes it can produce chips on its own EUV machines starting in 2028. Yeah, big deal. I expect that China and the United States might come to an agreement by 2028. And if I were the U.S., I'd kind of want to make sure that I come to an agreement just in time for all of this time and effort to not really be useful. But it could still be. China could become a manufacturer of these kinds of lithography machines and then export them to other parts of the world in competition with ASML.

22:44And that would not be the outcome that the United States wants either. So hiring a bunch of ex-ASML folks to help you re-engineer machines, though. Pretty smart move. No. A couple of entertainment notes regarding YouTube. First, it will no longer share data with Billboard for the U.S. charts starting January 16th because YouTube is unhappy about how free ad-supported music streams are weighted in the charts. Billboard used to count one paid stream as worth three free streams because they want to reflect the revenue generation of music, that they're a trade magazine. But they recently changed that.

23:22They're like, OK, the ad supported free streams will be worth two and a half or a paid stream will be worth two and a half of the free streams. That was not enough for YouTube. So they are out of that game, or at least unless Billboard changes their mind as of January 16th, they'll be out of that game. In a win for YouTube, though, the Oscars will no longer be available on ABC starting in 2029. YouTube will get the exclusive rights to broadcast the awards from then until 2033. This comes as YouTube continually dominates viewing measurements on Nielsen, including now reporting more than 700 million hours of podcast viewing in October.

24:02As a cord killer, did you see this coming? Because I have to admit there was a complacency in me that I kind of expected these older, you know, these kind of events like the Oscars, even like the BAFTAs, I think. And other kind of things that are like kind of events or even the Olympics and stuff like that. I kind of always had this like complacency or maybe this just like kind of ingrained thought that, oh, those are TV things, like they're big events. So it felt like that they would always be on these networks. So this actually, I found this particularly interesting, but I don't know. Does this make sense to you?

24:32Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't totally surprise me, but it is a big deal because I felt like the natural path is like you were saying, like ABC will move the Oscars to Disney Plus, right? Yeah. And you'll be able to get them streaming. And then maybe eventually that's mostly how you get them. YouTube doesn't have a broadcast outlet, right? So this is them saying YouTube is television. And I think that's where the new competition is shaping up, which is why you see Netflix signing podcasters to their platform. They're all trying to be television. And it's why Netflix want to buy Warner Brothers. Our new shape of television isn't going to be ABC, NBC, CBS.

25:19It's going to be YouTube, Netflix, and TikTok. Those are the big broadcast outlets now. They're equivalent of them. All right. Well, one day when we're not running a little shorter on time, I'll ask you how you feel about the podcast thing as a podcaster. But, you know, not today. Hey, podcaster just shows. That's my short answer for today. Cool. Finally, some quick headlines that are just good to know if you want to understand the news around you. Honda will pause production at automotive plants in Japan and China in the coming weeks for several days because of disruptions to supply chains, particularly from Nixperia parts made in China.

25:53Android 16 QPR Beta 1 includes a new driver for the Tensor G5's PowerVR GPU meant to address complaints about the performance of that chip. Korean outlet The Elect says supply chain sources tell it that Apple has sent requests to Samsung Display and LD Display for information related to a 24-inch OLED panel meant to be used in a future iMac. Amazon launched a website for its voice assistant that will remember chats from your other devices. You can get it at alexa.com. The Game Awards set a new record with 171 million streams worldwide, up 11%. And that does not count any streams from Amazon Prime Video.

26:39I don't know if anybody else out there watches for the flute guy. I watch the Game Awards for the flute guy. If you have no idea, look it up. And another example of like, yeah, Yeah, it's not the streaming services that are the future. Apple updated its Apple ads website to indicate it's going to add new places for ads. You're going to get more ads in your search results on the App Store starting next year. Coinbase announced it will add stock trading and prediction markets to its service in an attempt to branch out beyond cryptocurrency. A study from the VU Amsterdam Institute for Environmental Studies estimates that power usage from AI-related data processing could reach 23 gigawatts, which The Verge noted by doing their own calculations that if that projection is accurate, would put AI past cryptocurrency mining in the amount of power used.

27:26Rivian's second-generation R1 EVs are receiving a software update that adds universal hands-free driving that lets the driver take their hands off the wheel while the car remains in its lane. Yeah, can't do turns or navigation, but, you know, it's a thing. And Meta has paused a program that was going to bring the Meta Horizon OS to third-party VR headsets. They didn't kill it. They just said that they will revisit the program at a later date. folks if you're headed to the consumer electronics show in las vegas or you're just in las vegas in january we should meet up myself rob dunwood amos kt data and more folks are going to be meeting up wednesday january 7th at 6 30 p.m at the resorts world food court i've got some stickers to give away i've got some conversations about tech to have with you you should come join us if you're in las vegas on january 7th at 6 30 p.m just come to the resorts world food court i will hopefully See you there.

28:25We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspective. Today, Tim has some thoughts on our discussion of how important a phone's camera is to you. No, no, it's stim. He actually has instructed me. Yeah, that it is, you pronounce the S. It's not S, Tim. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. It's okay. I just, I, I just, I, I haven't instructed you properly. That's my fault. I should have asked about that. I thought it was a typo. You're going to fix it. I thought it was a typo too once. Then Tim wrote and he's like, no, my username is Stim. You say it's Stim. He's very nice about it. He's very nice about it.

29:03Oh, okay. My bad. Should I read that again? No, no, it's fine. This is good. I think Tim will appreciate it. All right. Well, Tim, Stim, I'm sorry. Stim wrote in about our discussion about cameras in the OnePlus 15R. Stim says, I don't have a strong opinion on the OnePlus phone, but I do have two cents to share on the need the best camera thing. I would say that I'm not the most advanced photographer, which is why I want the latest and greatest camera that I can afford in my phone. Whatever help it can give me to compensate for the fact that I don't know how to best light a frame or get the photo right is great.

29:44Add on that I'm probably going to keep whatever phone I get for several years. So my photos aren't getting any better than whatever I get at purchase time. When I look back at photos from my days with an iPhone 8 or the 5S that I have had for long stretches, those photos already show some signs of lesser detail level or poor low light compared to today. To say nothing of ones from my original smartphones or BlackBerry that seemed great at the time. I guess I view getting the best possible now as a way of future-proofing against what I've already seen start to happen for phone cameras that are only 10 to 15 years old.

30:17I totally agree with Stim and as someone who has many very very talented amateur photographers photographers around me I am not a good photographer and I know that I've had discussions with people over the years like well you know like if you travel you really should just get like even a small point and shoot is better than your phone camera which may be true but for all the reasons that Stim mentioned yeah I I don't I I just think that I just think I do better with a lot of that assistance and a lot of like what a camera phone cameras can provide you. And also the best camera is the one that you have or that you're carrying with you.

30:53And we all carry our phones. So I'm with you. This is a really good point. The point I was trying to make yesterday is I don't care because I was like, I'm a bad photographer, so I don't care if the camera's good. And Stim makes a really good point of like, well, if you're a bad photographer, good camera can help you out. And I think it's more like, I just don't prioritize photography as much. That's okay. That's okay. Yeah, that's just me. I'm not trying to say anybody else should be like that. I will say that I've looked at horror at the potato photos I got from my very fancy Pixel 1 or Nexus something when I was looking at photos recently.

31:27So amen to that as well. Good news. All right. Well, what are you thinking about? Do you have some insight? Please write in, share it with us. Feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Big thanks to Stim for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You keep us in business, folks. If you haven't checked out Patreon or Substack, you can get ad-free shows and more. We got bonus episodes. We just did a bonus episode on the best place to eat at CES. Check it out, patreon.com slash DTNS.

32:01Happy holidays and sending good vibes to the DTNS extended family. diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this broker

32:15yay oh that was hilarious i really i really thought of the typo you elected no it was great because i used to do that i used to say tim and then he was like there's an s in my username for a purpose so i started saying s tim and he's like it's not s tim it's stim Okay. And it's just, like I said, he's real nice about it. He's not being a jerk, but he is very particular. Like, no, I really, this is the way you should say it. No, that's fair. And I hope you don't feel embarrassed, but I liked that we were enacting out my experience with him in real time. I was hoping to leave it in. I was thinking, do you want me to reread it?

32:51Okay, okay. No, no, no. That's good. As long as you're okay with it. No, I'm totally fine. Cause that's, it was, it was not a mistake and I'm glad maybe now I will never forget how we read them. And I think he will think it's funny too. Yeah, I think he will. He'll be like, oh, you guys. Got another one.