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2:19Huyen Tue Dao: This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, May 7th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you some important context, and try to help each other understand. Well, today, as Spotify opens up its podcast features to OpenClaw, Andy Beach joins us to discuss streaming music's odd approach to AI. I'm looking forward to that one. We've also got a screenless Fitbit, an Anthropics deal with SpaceX, which doesn't yet involve orbital data centers. But we're saying there's a chance. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Wynwood Dow. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story.

2:56Huyen Tue Dao: Spotify has launched a command line interface called Save to Spotify CLI on GitHub so that you can use it to create podcasts in an agent, something that OpenClaw, CloudCode, Codex can all do, and then upload those to Spotify for your own use. To be clear, this is for your own use. This doesn't go distribute them to everyone else. But it could be things like your daily digest, your meeting prep, class notes, stuff like that. uh spotify also announced its machine generated dj voice now available in more markets and more languages now this follows a developing attitude from streaming platforms to generated content that andy beach at engines of change has described as a detect label stay neutral so we thought who better to discuss this than andy beach welcome andy hello good to see you tom good to see you too i know you have some thoughts on the risks to royalties that this detect approach poses.

3:55Huyen Tue Dao: But before we get to that, I'm curious what you think of this agentic plugin that Spotify is doing.

4:00Tom Merritt: Oh, I think it is. I think they are just the first in this area that is doing it. But I feel strongly that this is sort of just the new version of adding almost like browser compatibility for any service that's out there, because so much of what we do is going to be consumed through an agent that's going and fetching things for us that this is going to become more and more common across a variety of services. In fact, I'd love to see a streaming service do it as well at some point.

4:28Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, because the idea is instead of, let's say, Notebook LM, a lot of people are familiar with that. Instead of having to go to the Notebook LM app, and I know Google isn't mentioned here, but you could say like, oh, this is more convenient to me. I don't have to go into Codex. I don't have to go into Cloud Code. I can just listen to it.

4:48Tom Merritt: Yeah, exactly. And I suspect there will be other functionality that comes along with it. Like one of the things I've always used on Spotify has been the weekly radar of like new music I should be thinking about. Yeah, right. That this becomes a whole new area where I could start creating my own highlights reel of like, what's like, give me a taste of everything that that's out there across the spectrum. But I consume it through through an agent that's done the work for me, me not going out and clicking a bunch of stuff to find it.

5:17Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. Yeah. Now, it sounds like that is an integration of these kinds of models that you are OK with. Sure. Yeah. But not all of the approaches to generated content seem to make sense to you. I liked your post on Substack recently where you were talking about some of the fraud risks of the approach that they're taking. Tell us a little bit more about that.

5:41Tom Merritt: Yeah, sure. There was a piece earlier this week that came out. I think it was a Verge article originally that was calling out their concerns around the flood of AI songs that are out there. And that's the bigger issue is like when they're like that, this is a very like the story today is very clearly. I know I'm using AI to go do a thing here. It's people consuming content that they thought was an artist, but is actually an AI that's been designed to sound like an artist. And what it's causing is a flood of new content. And in fact, a lot of the sites are starting to have to be very aggressive about how many pieces they take down because there is such a huge glut of it coming in that there's a huge supply of it.

6:23Tom Merritt: But there's not a wild demand for it. If you if you look at the numbers, they they want the artists versions of things. They don't want the agentic version of something that came out. And so it's a mismatch between what the customers are ultimately looking for. Yeah.

6:40Huyen Tue Dao: And it's the spam problem, right? Because less than 1 % of streams on Spotify are apparently this kind of slop, but that's enough that it causes an effect and it's enough to incentivize people to keep doing it.

6:54Tom Merritt: And it is causing a new problem internally where they're having to design tools that can go identify this out of the gate so that they can tag it because they can't necessarily rely on people to tag it. Now, they are being certain platforms are being aggressive about how they shut down accounts that repeatedly offend. And that's going to sort of have to be the way that they enforce from a policy side. But this is sort of that. I talk a lot when I talk about this work. I talk about there being a control layer that exists within AI. And this is a platform leveraging their control where they're trying to, A, identify things, detect it.

7:34Tom Merritt: But they're not necessarily actively taking everything down. They're just sort of punishing the worst offenders that are out there while they watch what the consumption patterns look like. Because there could be a future state where there is more desire for this. We're not in that place by any stretch today, though. Yeah.

7:53Huyen Tue Dao: It's less about the quality of the music and more about the awareness of it. Yeah. And, and trying to figure out who's doing it in good faith. Like, I just want to play with these tools and make something like, like you would use a synthesizer back in the seventies and, and, and who is using it to exploit the system, which there are many of.

8:13Tom Merritt: Yeah, I think we're in that still that early stage of the exploitation, but we are getting out of that and we are seeing what artists are doing with it more. But, you know, I mean, there was there was a number from Deezer that I was looking for as part of this where they went from 28 percent uploads as late as like December up to about 44 percent of their daily uploads right now are AI generated content. So almost half of what they see on the platform daily right now is something that's an unlabeled AI and they have to go through and make sure that for their audience, they're correctly helping identify those.

8:54Huyen Tue Dao: When I don't know about you, but it really does sound like the spam problem where you like you want the good emails to come in. You even want the marketing emails that you agreed to get to come in. But that means it's hard not to let in the exploitative ones. Yeah, that's what I think this is hitting me is like kind of like this, the general issue with AI that maybe worse, like a general theme in AI that we're seeing right now is like, again, the scale problem where because people can do things so quickly and like agents themselves are so quick that it's kind of overwhelming kind of all of our previous metrics of like an ability to respond to things.

9:30And if you think there's like a point where it's going to tip over, like assuming that I guess the maybe from like platform size, if things to stay neutral for now, like detect label stay neutral, is there going to be a point where it does tip over? Like whether if it goes from like 30, 40, 30, 40 percent to like an even higher number, is there a tipping point where maybe it maybe becomes less stay neutral? And what would that look like? Maybe you think?

9:54Tom Merritt: I think the first step of it, my guess is the first step of that looks like once we've labeled and been able to identify within a certain percentage what we think the AI content is and what is the true spam content versus my other favorite phrase from those email days were bacon, which is the spam I want. And once we've identified sort of those pieces, they'll probably begin putting platforming or sorry, filtering into the platform so that and we've seen YouTube just do this recently with shorts where they they they made the first step of I can now set my duration of shorts that I'm I allow to zero seconds, which means I can effectively filter shorts completely out of the experience if I want it.

10:40Tom Merritt: there'll probably be an AI version of that where I get a certain level of filtering if it's like X percentage or if it falls into these categories of AI content, I can simply make sure it never shows up on the platform. And that's immediately going to have the impact of causing them to stop uploading all of this because they're now not getting the audience. Like right now they're getting the audience because there's not enough filtering to stop them from getting out there. But as soon as they stop seeing the reaction, they're not going to spend as much time generating it because it's not getting them what they wanted anymore.

11:13Yeah.

11:14Huyen Tue Dao: It really makes me think that because we never really fixed the spam problem, go look at your spam folder. It's still there, right? We've gotten better at managing it, but it's the fact that you can, the idea with spam was that it is cheap to send, make and send email. You can just blast them out and you need a very small response rate to make it worthwhile. We now have tools that make it cheap and easy to make all kinds of things that were too expensive to do this with before. So we're going to see this repeated, I think, in a lot of different areas.

11:46Tom Merritt: And this goes back, I think, arming the content consumer with their own agents and their own AI pieces is part of this as well. So that's why I really like the Spotify piece. And again, it's not designed to do this today, but there is a point where one of my agent tasks can be, if this sounds too much like AI slop or tropes, I don't want it. And it's simply never going to show up in my feet.

12:11Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. Well, Andy, thank you very much for helping us wrap our brains around this. As always, if people want to find your good work, like that Substack post, like your articles on these platforms that have been fantastic, where do they go?

12:23Tom Merritt: Yeah. So I have a Substack called Engines of Change.ai. That's the place I'm writing about it. I'm in the middle of a series right now called The Human Layer that's all about what the role of humans are in these modern content creation systems and content distribution systems.

12:40Huyen Tue Dao: Andy, thank you so much, man. I appreciate you taking the time today.

12:43Tom Merritt: Thanks for having me on. It was fun.

12:44Huyen Tue Dao: All right, man. See you. All right. Well, we definitely thank Andy for taking time to join us live today. And we want to take time to thank you, the listener, because hey, DTS is made possible by you. Special thanks to Matt Zaglin, Jeff Wilkes, Tim Deputy, and Pete Guion. Ooh, thank you all.

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16:18Huyen Tue Dao: There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right, well, Google announced the Google Fitbit Air, a screenless health tracker that you could wear in a wristband, chest strap, or elsewhere. It weighs 5.2 grams on its own and is smaller than other Fitbits. The battery lasts up to a week, and the charger is magnetic and bidirectional, so it's easy to just drop it right on the charger. The Fitbit Air is available for pre-order now for$100, shipping May 26. So if you don't like the cloth band that it comes with, additional bands are sold separately, starting at$35 each. You can get a performance loop band, an active silicone band, and an elevated modern band.

16:59Ooh, fancy. Which is$50, which Google says is fashionable. There's also a special edition designed by NBA star Steph Curry. You might have seen him on some of those teaser images, which has increased airflow and additional water resistance coating for$130.

17:15Huyen Tue Dao: Our producer, Amos, pointed out that if it's Steph Curry designed, it should also have increased range.

17:23Huyen Tue Dao: Just thought that was genius. Thank you, Amos, for that. Yes, very much. Very much. Well, whatever Fitbit Air you might get, it comes with three months of Google Health Premium, which brings us to the next bit of news. Google is rebranding Fitbit Premium to Google Health Premium, along with the change of the Fitbit app to become the Google Health app. The monthly cost remains$9.99 a month, though the yearly cost rises from$80 to$100. The paid service includes Google Health Coach and Ask Coach powered by Gemini. It also includes adaptive fitness plans, sleep insights, and general wellness recommendations.

18:04Huyen Tue Dao: You know, there's a lot to talk about here. I know you're going to talk about the fitness aspect of this, but the one thing that strikes me is Google is doing a much better job of killing off the Fitbit brand than it's done in the past when it killed brands. It's just slowly fading it away. Oh, it's Google Health Premium, but we're still calling it the Google Fitbit Band. And I think that within three to five years, we're not going to have Fitbit as part of this anymore. And it is also Google getting into a fight with Whoop, which has been very popular as a screenless fitness tracker. The idea with screenless fitness trackers is they just automatically check your workouts and your heart rate and all of that.

18:44Huyen Tue Dao: And you don't have to interact with them. I know you have feelings about this. I have many feelings. Yeah, I think the form factor is something that was and is very compelling. And WHOOP is very particularly for athlete level and maybe fitness enthusiasts, even though you might argue that I don't necessarily need a WHOOP. But I think that's been the brand. But I will say that I and many maybe more normal folks, not necessarily like high level athletes where you are really conscious of your recovery and your VO2 max and you want like the highest level accuracy. I will say that normal folks like me are pretty upset because one thing I will say for Whoop is that they basically have no backwards compatibility between generations of – they have no compatibility between both their battery packs and their accessories.

19:30So every single time you got a new Whoop, you had to buy everything new. And for me and my husband who spent like, I'll be real, hundreds of dollars on the Whoop 3 or actually Whoop 4 rather ecosystem, that's a big bite in the butt. And it is unlike a lot of other fitness trackers in the past, like Garmin and things like that. They have been a paid for subscription the whole time. The band itself is included in the price of the subscription, but it could be anywhere between like$200 upwards of, I think,$230 a year for the subscription. So that's for like the data side of it. But the band is free, but obviously that's a lot of money a year.

20:08The benefit is that you've always had this image of having high quality, highly accurate. And I mean, I'm a native app developer, so I'm a little bit picky and snotty about it. But the app, while it has several flaws, is probably one of the better experiences I've had. I really know that people love Garmin, and I do love Garmin as well. Their software isn't quite as sexy, let's say. So that's it. But I think a lot of us Whoop users are really, really disillusioned, especially after the Whoop 5 came out last year. And again, it was like, oh, no, nothing is compatible. so we bought shirts and same thing like it's the same idea and i so so i guess to say i think the fitbit air is really attacking a lot of what makes the whoop super compelling so like right now like it's very easy to charge like i think the one thing about screenless uh devices like this and like you know the fitbit you know also just having either tiny or non-existent screens is that if you're not a smart watch fan and i am wearing a smart watch along with my whoop yes i'm that lame um is that you know there's a lot of people that don't necessarily need a smart watch And if you're someone who's a kettlebell or like me, having a watch with a glass face on your arm while you have weights and stuff leaning on them or swinging at them is not a good idea.

21:14So there's a lot of reasons to like a screenless device, both for convenience, comfort, as well as generally battery life. So I really can see all the areas that Fitbit Air is attacking it. And I know that at least a handful of us whoopies are a bit disgruntled and kind of waiting for something like this. And I think, honestly, the price point is a bit better. I think if you add in the cost of the Whoop band or the, sorry, not the Whoop band, the Fitbit Air band into the subscription cost, especially if you go for like the full like coaching, it's comparable. But I do think this is going to be super, super compelling.

21:47And I know Garmin's also coming out with one. Polar also came up with their own screenless thing, but it's not, it didn't take off. So I think it's a really interesting space to look at. And I do feel like, man, they are really coming for a Whoop's lunch.

22:00Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. Well, especially because you can use the Fitbit Air without the subscription. It'll still do basic tracking for you and it still keeps it in the Google Health Premium app or the Google Health app, sorry. So you do have to pay more, right? Sounds like than with Whoop. But you get more once you're done if you don't want to pay more. Plus, you get three months free if you want to do the premium subscription. so you could try it out and see if you like it and then not have to pay for it there too. From the outside, your description of Whoop versus the Fitbit Air makes me think the Fitbit Air is probably the more compelling offering for folks.

22:41Yeah, I will say that I have experimented with Fitbit on my watch. Now, granted, this is an entirely different device and not really geared towards athletes or wannabe athletes like myself. And I will say that there is a lot more accuracy and I would say that I kind of trust the trends and really, sorry, it's like a pro tip. If you're a normal person, it's really all about the trends. Don't worry too much about numbers. It's all just about consistency.

23:06Huyen Tue Dao: Which way the graph is going. Yeah, which way the graph is going. So that being said, though, I do notice like some, it feels a little bit, may I say, fluffier or less accurate than my whoop. But at the same time, given like the financial cost of having to replace every single accessory, including batteries, as well as just like that flexibility. I mean, if you have a whoop and you cannot afford to pay the monthly fee anymore, you're done. Like, you know what I mean? You're done. It's basically a piece of, may I say, dead technology in your drawer, at least with a Fitbit Air, you can still use it.

23:38You may have to kind of, you may have less measurements and less kind of like data, but you can still use it for basic functionality. So yes, I will say that, And actually, if you're curious, personal recommendation, there's a gentleman named the quantified scientist who does like a lot of scientific testing of every single wearable for fitness out there and even talks about different metrics like VO2 max. I think he gave kind of like the same impression because no one has their hands on it right yet. But that maybe whoop might continue to be something for super elite athletes because of number one, that again, because it's trends, people might just want to stay on the whoop because they're used to it.

24:15They're used to how the metrics are. you would have to basically recalibrate your entire fitness tracking life to a different whole system. But for normal people, the Fitbit error might be good enough, even with the reduced accuracy and maybe the less intense, let's say, stream of information. I think it'd be really good for normal to enthusiasts like myself, fitness enthusiasts.

24:37Huyen Tue Dao: That is super helpful. Thank you for the breakdown on that. I think that's going to help people kind of decide where where they go uh if they're attracted to this sounds like you're gonna stay with whoop though is that right no i'm gonna pre-order fitbit air you're gonna be oh you are okay no i mean i i look i'm realistic i'm not a real athlete also the fact the fact that i just basically every generation i lose that on hundreds of dollars and they're not cheap the accessories are not cheap so the fact that i lose that on every um my entire system my entire like hundreds of dollars spent is absolutely ridiculous.

25:10And they're not interested. They show no signs of like fixing that. I think that they've gotten tons of negative feedback this last generation. So I'm out.

25:18Huyen Tue Dao: All right. We're going to have to get you to do it. Live with it. I will. I will 100%. Sounds good. Anthropic has agreed to buy all the capacity of SpaceX's Colossus One data center in Memphis, Tennessee. That's about 300 megawatts of capacity, according to Anthropic. And SpaceX says that's 220 ,000 NVIDIA GPUs. Anthropic also reached a deal with Amazon to extend its regional capacity in Europe and Asia, as well as deals with Microsoft, Google, and NVIDIA. Anthropic's deal with SpaceX does not include orbital space centers, but the two companies did say they're going to explore that idea, so it could.

25:54Huyen Tue Dao: Meanwhile, all this capacity means that Anthropic feels comfortable enough to double its five-hour window limits for Cloud Code Pro and Max users and raise the API limits on Opus models, when this is something we've been following for a while, is running into compute problems, trying removing things secretly with people getting upset. So it sounds like they are feeling like maybe they have solved, at least temporarily, that crunch. This is ridiculous. This reminds me of when I was little and I would write to Santa for a Game Boy, and Santa would write back saying, Santa can't bring you a Game Boy this year, but maybe this year.

26:33So I know that doesn't really very little to it, but yeah. And no, I thought of that instantly because I know we've talked about this a little bit and occasionally I'll send Tom like articles and like, oh my God, Tom, look at this. And your theory was, of course, at the time you were right, that maybe they are just concerned about those limits, but maybe not so much. I am sad though if this doesn't exactly mean that we'll have orbital data centers yet. Yet. Maybe eventually. Yeah.

26:59Huyen Tue Dao: I think somebody's definitely trying it. SpaceX is going to try it through XAI. And I know there are other companies looking at it. Google's looking at it. So yeah, Amazon. Amazon could do it. Get that Blue Origin rocket. Send it up. Yeah. We'll get them eventually. If you are about to put a data center into orbit or have any other kinds of feedback about stuff brought up in the show, One way to get in touch with us are the tobacco known as social networks. You can find us at DTNS show on X, Instagram, threads, blue sky and Mastodon for TikTok and YouTube. You can find us at Daily Tech News Show.

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29:20Huyen Tue Dao: Let's get into those quick headlines that'll make you look smart. All right, well, Google announced that Snapseed 4.0, which has been out for iOS, will be available for Android this week. Huzzah! The march of CES gadgets that are shipping continues with the HP Elite Board G1A now available starting at$1 ,499. If you don't remember, the Elite Board is that one that's a desktop computer from HP put into the form factor of a keyboard. And it really does look just like a keyboard. It has a couple of USB-C ports on it. It comes with a wireless mouse and an HDMI hub. Love it. Well, thanks to CWBasden for pointing out on the subreddit that five publishers, uh, Cengage Learning, Hachette, Macmillan, McGraw, and Scott Turow have filed a class action lawsuit against Meta claiming copyright infringement in the training of the Lama LLM.

30:16Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, add another one to the growing pile. CW Besnan also reminded us that Instagram is ending end-to-end encryption in DMs starting this Friday. DMs will be encrypted, just not end-to-end. meta says if you want end-to-end encryption go use whatsapp instagram said just too few people ever turned on the option for them to continue to maintain it fair enough i guess well the eu delay enforcement rules on quote high risk ai by 16 months from august 2nd this year to december 27th 2027 and lower risk systems get until august 2nd 2020 or sorry 2028 yeah so the paperwork gets put off for a while. As Samsung's value surges, helping push South Korea's public markets past Canada's in size, two Samsung unions are asking for a little cut of all those profits.

31:10Huyen Tue Dao: They would like a wage rise of 7 % and a payout of 15 % of operating profits to workers in the division, based on the profits of that division. If they cannot reach an agreement, an 18-day walkout is planned for May 21st. All right. Well, meanwhile, Samsung will no longer sell TVs and home appliances in China as its market share their declines in the face of competition from domestic Chinese brands. Yeah, that that they've been making a lot of money selling memory, which they will continue to sell in China, but not as much in those home appliance areas. Switzerland's pharmaceutical group Roche or Roche has agreed to acquire Path AI to scale up the company's diagnostic tech for labs and drug discovery.

31:53Well, AMD announced the MI350P, its first PCIe-based Instinct, Instinct, sorry, Accelerator, since 2022. It can slot into almost any 19-inch box, making it easier for enterprises to try them out before they buy en masse. It's positioned as an alternative to the difficult-to-find NVIDIA H200 NBL.

32:14Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, good option for people building data centers, building servers, and all of that sort of thing. And finally, Anthropic announced a research preview of a feature in which its clawed managed agents, these are high-level agents, can now review recent events and then store notable items in memory to inform future tasks and interactions. This is an expansion of things that these models do regularly, but a way to make sure that it keeps the important parts and you don't have to keep re-informing it of stuff. Anthropic calls it dreaming. I really wish they wouldn't. you don't you don't you don't want a cover of california dreaming that's just like anthropic okay maybe i do want that uh now that you mentioned it i don't know but it's gonna make everybody be like oh it's see it's a human and then we're gonna have it's more anthropomorphizing and i know their company's called anthropic so there you go but uh it's kind of like dreaming because it's what we do when we dream we organize our memories i get it uh but the the less we can anthropomorphize these things, the better.

33:18I mean, I'm probably more on the AI skeptic side, as I've mentioned too many times, but yes, I also continue to anthropomorphize it, and I would actually be like, yo, are you dreaming or something? I probably would. Keep dreaming, Claude. They're very good at making us continue to think that there is an entity, a consciousness, something there. It is hard not to do.

33:40Huyen Tue Dao: And the way it speaks makes our human brains think that, too. So the more we can do to kind of retune into what is actually going on, the better. All right. Well, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives today. Jason has some thoughts on Google downloading a four gigabyte nano model into your browser install. Yeah. Thank you, Jason, for writing. He mentioned we touched on that in the episode yesterday. He also mentioned Steve Gibson covered this on Security Now this week. Steve is always a good listener on these sorts of things. Jason said, Steve's take based on the register's reading of Mozilla's comments, is that this is Google arbitrarily creating a web standard because they can.

34:23Huyen Tue Dao: By including a pared down LLM, as well as allowing you to enter your web-based LLM credentials, they're trying to make it so that web developers can query your model and get more consistent and more personal results. My take, Jason's take on that, is that it looks like they're trying to become a middleman for all LLM queries. My secondary concern is going to be new security problems of people using this feature to maliciously get at your LLM's data and wondering if the secondary market of shadow data will become an issue or if the data brokers already have so much information on us that it doesn't matter.

34:55Huyen Tue Dao: Love your work, Jason. And yeah, we have an update on this since we last spoke about it on the show. Google has responded. They mentioned that this is not new. They have downloaded on-device models in Chrome since 2024. This is just the biggest one they've done. It can handle scam detection and developer APIs without sending your data to the cloud, as we were discussing yesterday. It can, quote, summarize web pages, help users write or rephrase text, organize tabs, and warn about online scams. The model will automatically uninstall if the device is low on resources. And you can turn it off yourself.

35:34Huyen Tue Dao: You go into the settings on Chrome, go into system, and toggle off on-device AI if you don't want it to be there. But yeah, I think Jason brings up some valid concerns, especially if you're a high value target of like, this is another attack vector I now need to be aware of. Maybe I should turn it off. Yeah, we covered something not unrelated on Android Faithful this week about how folks were noticing that AI Core, which is a system app on your Android devices, was taking up like gobs of memory up to 11 gigabytes, which is like, you know, kind of drastic for a phone. but not not to dissimulate it was basically that is the on like the ai core is what powers like things like on device models so it's interesting because yeah like i don't there's a lot of things like oh four gigabytes holy monkey like how much is that but then also i do think the i do i do appreciate the observation that it might be that um the the idea of becoming a middleman because that makes a lot of sense unlike what we're seeing but yeah i mean it kind of seems obvious that if every like and i guess that's the flip side of like maybe things that again like maybe we even mentioned with andy and stuff is that you know like we're moving towards a place where llm's agentic ai become our kind of like central interface for a lot of things um and and not and most like a lot of those use use cases are valid and provide ergonomics but there's a problem with keeping all your stuff in one place um including as as again was we kind of trust for better for worse llms and agents more and more um yeah that's always a issue it's worth pointing out google does sandbox this you know so that it's it's difficult for it to see things it's not supposed to see and there's some guardrails to try to prevent prompt injections and all of that sort of thing but it's jason's right it's something to be aware of for sure yeah i mean also this current generation of ai is making you know bad acting easier so a little like Like war, just like back and forth.

37:30Just like, oh, man. All right. Well, what are you thinking about? Do you have some scary or less scary or just good insights for us to think about and pontificate on? We would love to hear them. Feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com.

37:46Huyen Tue Dao: Yes, big thanks to Andy Beach for joining us today. Thank you, Jason, for contributing to today's show as well. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. Listen, you keep us in business, folks. If you haven't done it already, go become a patron right now. you get some bonus stuff for doing so, including ad-free, patreon.com slash DTNS.

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