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2:44this is the daily tech news for thursday july 16th 2026 we tell you what you need to know give you the important context and help each other understand today a big suno leak reveals exactly how the company trains its models to generate music for users yeah there's a lot of interesting details here we're going to talk about. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Huynh Twit Howell. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. All right. 404 Media published a report based on data from a 2025 hack of Suno. Suno, of course, being one of the major music generation companies. Another one is UDO. There's a bunch of them, but Suno is kind of like, I'd say, one of the biggest and most well-known.

3:29And the hack data that was revealed shows internal code and comments that explicitly describe how to scrape the music and lyrics that were needed to build the system, essentially. And some sources that were named specifically in this leak, YouTube Music, Deezer, Genius for lyrics, stock music sites like Pond5, Jamendo or Jamendo, I think. Free Sound Library, and then the International Music Score Library Project, all of those sources, perhaps there's more, but at least these, to act as its training data library. And so along with that information, it included filters to remove non-music, as it called it, because, I mean, this is a music generation service.

4:24So, of course, they don't want to muck things up with people just talking like on podcasts and stuff. Though, speaking of podcasts, it does also mention that they effectively scraped podcasts as well, both from those platforms and then also RSS feeds directly. Dataset descriptions list specific volumes. For example, 2 ,013 ,545 music clips pulled from YouTube Music, more than 113 ,000 hours from YouTube Music Audio as well. And there's plenty more data points in there, but you don't need me to rattle through a bunch of numbers. The hack did also include some user data, and not just some, hundreds of thousands of Suno users.

5:09Striped payment data, emails, phone numbers, that sort of stuff. Though Suno is saying that the data breach was limited. Also that the code that was revealed here is outdated. It's not currently in use. You aren't going to find us doing this. That's not now. That was then. That was a long time ago. Deezer has said that it's assessing the situation, considering its options. YouTube Music and Genius and some of these other companies, I haven't found any acknowledgement yet on the news publicly. But that's kind of where we're at at a moment in time where Suno is still kind of under the target or in the crosshairs of a few very specific record industry lawsuits.

5:57This comes out. What are your thoughts? I don't like it. um i mean so acknowledging that that there's parts of this that that seem like that there's parts of it that you know no one can do anything about where they're i i suppose actually i would want to ask you too about how you feel about especially having been podcasting so long how you feel the podcast heart but like you know there's certain things like i presume you know stocks sites and even free sound things that are like you know license free you know that's fine it's always been very interesting i think especially as someone who really enjoys programming and has done hobby projects my entire career, the idea of scraping data just in general is a little bit gray.

6:36You know what I'm saying? It's like to some extent some data sets are inherently free or feel like they should be free. So I definitely know people that have scraped data sets and haven't felt too bad about it. But I think there's a general sense that generally speaking, data scraping is gray at best or maybe on average. So no, I don't like a lot of this, obviously. not that I want to defend big music companies or anything, but obviously services like YouTube, Deezer, Genius have licensing agreements with companies and, you know, training, training on that without explicit permission or relationships or agreements was seems like a bad thing.

7:15And I know that they say the code isn't being used now. But that is not really a thing anymore, is it just because of the current age of AI that we're in? The data has been trained upon, You know what I mean? Like, unless they're throwing out the entire model and starting from scratch. The thing is, they've already benefited from this code. It doesn't, I mean, I guess it has some impact in that they're not doing it anymore. But this has been the thing, especially with these models, you know, before any of us were really aware, before they really took hold in our daily lives, people were scraping data.

7:50We've talked about stories of like Meta being sued. Was it Meta or Facebook? I guess Meta was scraping books, right? or was it someone was oh it was google i mean google my bad my bad sorry it was google well i mean so way back way back when google doing books on um on yeah many years ago in search but then you've got anthropic i think it was claude i'm sorry yeah um scraping from books and then tearing up the books and throwing them away that didn't yeah make a lot very happy i mean i so i again i'm not an llm expert maybe there is some way of being able to throw out the bad data or the bad models and start fresh i don't i don't i don't think people are doing that and i suppose it has a very like what's that phrase tainted wall feeling where i get it you're not doing it anymore but you did it you you started off by essentially you know scraping data i i hesitate to call it stealing although maybe someone some people could i think plenty of people would call it stealing yeah so yeah it doesn't feel great and again like that's the thing with models and generative generative programming it and this is what we're being encouraged to do is to train models that you know do like to that take actions on their own that that create, you know, the, the training is the important part and the damage has been done.

9:18So I don't know. And it's, and it's, it's a thing where like now they have the models, they will continue to profit from that theft, even if they're not actively doing it. And I think that's the problem. Like I know a few of my colleagues have with just generative AI in general, even before we, we, you know, now a lot of companies I'll give credit are trying to do, you know, the due diligence or the good work and like either paying people to train or making actually official licenses, like we've talked about with, say, for example, Anthropic or, you know, OpenAI with like different, you know, news sources and like that, like actually formalizing a relationship.

9:52It's still difficult because a lot of these were built on these, like, I guess, poisoned wells of stolen data if you want to be really dramatic about it. So no, it's not great. And I think this is just, I think this is just exposing how, again, I'm very skeptical about this. It feels like it's just exposing how a lot of this was at least initially done. And I don't think that unless they, again, threw out the models and started all over again from scratch, like the quote unquote right way. It's very disappointing. And I hesitate to say that this is like a rare case or a rare, like it's a rare behavior.

10:27It's just they got caught doing it. But I don't know. I'm very, I mean, there's not really much one can do about it, at least from our perspective as users, other than not using Suno. And of course, it kind of, I guess, is left to YouTube, Deezer, Genius, other larger companies to take their action on Suno. But I don't know. How do you feel about it? Especially things like, I don't know, as someone who creates music and also has been podcasting, I don't know, how do you feel about even the less, let's say, controversial parts like the RSS and podcast raping? You know, honestly, I don't care as much about the podcast thing because I find myself really torn on stuff like this.

11:10And I totally get it that people, you know, like when you're talking about a paywalled thing, when you're talking about like this content has value, it's behind a paywall, you can't have access to it. And you get around that paywall and you go have access to it anyways and then you do these things. Yeah. Totally, totally agree. When we're talking about like podcasts, which is, you know, very – God, I'm probably going to get in trouble saying some of this. But when we're talking about podcasts, like I don't create podcasts and put it out there and expect that I have any sense of control over it other than I recorded this thing and I put it out into the public and I hope that someone listens to it and they get value out of it.

11:50And I guess in this sense, there's value being extracted from it for something else. But I didn't really have any illusions about that content to begin with. I just kind of do my thing. I put it out there. I'm happy if people get value out of it. And it's going to have its own life. Remix culture has been around for a very long time. If I had problems with remix culture, this would have cropped up a lot earlier. But I never really have. And even with my music, like, I hate to say it, but, you know, but I'm not a musician that makes my living off of music, right? Like, I do it purely for fun and enjoyment.

12:24And if someone enjoys it, it's very similar to podcast. And so, you know, there is the whole fair use argument that comes up on this. And if Jeff Jarvis was here, he'd be kind of railing that point and just being like, look, we don't own words when we put them out online for free for other people's consumption. We might not own music when we create it and put it out there in a free place. But there are plenty of other people who don't agree with that. I find myself really conflicted in this conversation from both sides. And being a person who does contribute that kind of stuff, that kind of content, I don't really know where I stand.

13:03It really depends on the day when. Yeah. It's so hard because it's nuanced, right? Because I totally agree with you. Yeah, it's very nuanced. Yeah, I think with podcasts, it's like the expectations and the relationship with you, the creator and the listener is very different than, say, pick your favorite large scale commercially successful musician. I'm sure they would have a lot to say about training a thing that people are using to generate music like what they're doing. It's weird. It's very nuanced. I think that's the hard part with this, too, is because with these kind of things, like with generative AI and models and things like that, we lose so much human control.

13:44You know, if someone's like – That is, I think, a big part of it. Yeah. It's like, I thought I had control over this data or this information or what happens to it, and it turns out I don't. And then when it's the large scale, when it's the not just like a handful of these things, but we scooped up tens of hundreds of thousands of hours worth of blah, blah, blah, and did this. That clearly and rightfully rubs people the wrong way when it's at that scale. And that just happens to be what these AI models are really good at is scale. Yeah, scale. Taking these things and these processes and applying it at scale.

14:17Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, and it's that scale that makes it hard to kind of remediate these kind of things. Like, I don't know. Like, yeah, if, say, DJ Snake decided to remix one of your songs, at least you kind of know who it's doing and you can talk to him. I mean, I don't know. Sure. Sure. But you know what? But at the same time, if someone like remixed one of my songs that was out there with AI and like shared it with me, like I'm being honest. I would listen to it with curiosity. I would not listen to it with like, I can't believe you did that. But again, the incentives are different for me. I don't make my living from music.

14:49I do it purely for enjoyment and curiosity, you know. But then that's also the thing. I think like we paint with a broad brush because if someone did use AI to remix your song, but you still knew that it was your song and it was still, you know, with remixing, it's still there's fundamentally. your song still in there yeah i think that's i think that's really that's really interesting and like totally valid as opposed to suno who presumably it generates music that is heavily inspired and trained by things but you might not be able to tell you can't track it back you know what i'm saying you don't know what the yeah so it's it's just nuance like i feel bad about this just because again like i feel like especially in the tech uh as tech people sometimes we're trained to ask for forgiveness before begging uh hold on was it beg forgiveness instead of yeah that happens a lot in tech yeah and it happens a lot and and i guess it's it is how a lot of things are done but when it comes to like i don't know it this gets all nuanced especially if there's actual like say independent artists or people not necessarily like a taylor swift level person but just regular people that aren't getting their dues or maybe they get overshadowed I don't know.

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19:59All right, there's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right, well, the European Commission issued two new antitrust rules that forced Google to share anonymized search data with its rivals and open important Android hooks to competing AI agent systems. So commissioners argue that doing so will improve user choice and help other AI and search services better compete with Google on its own platform. The commission found that third-party agents weren't able to function in the same way as Google's Gemini on Android phones, and these rules are meant to change that and level the playing field for competition.

20:33Google is required to allow third-party agents to be voice-activated and run in the background, similar to the access it gives to Gemini. The compliance deadline is January 2027, when Google will also be required to share anonymized search data with its rivals. Yeah, I mean, you know, again and again, because in some ways it's like the story that never goes away. You made this change, you know, this and opening things up. And we continue to hear about this. And I think my point, my kind of feeling on this as we continue to go along is that consumer choice is good, right? Absolutely. Like competition is good for users as well.

21:12And so opening things up like this, while it might be really inconvenient for Google and for Apple and all the other companies that end up in the purview of the EU kind of taking a fresh look at this and demanding that they do things in order to be in business in those places, I think it seems to me that it might complicate things. But at the end of the day, it's better for users. And I'm all for it. 100%. And just, you know, Android itself is a platform. It is not like even a singular proprietary product, but even then you could argue that as well. It is a platform in which they have invited other people to do business.

21:47So it seems like just in the spirit of it being a platform as opposed to, again, a singular service piece of software, this all makes sense to me. Choice is good. Yeah. Choice is good. Some critics are saying, yeah, but it weakens privacy. It weakens security protections because Google doesn't have total control over it. But there is a tradeoff there, right? And maybe that tradeoff is worth the kind of option or the opportunity for users to choose how they use their device. Absolutely. So that's kind of how I feel. Vital Signals introduced a new signal ring. This is a consumer wearable device that promises arm cuff level blood pressure readings from a smart ring.

22:30The ring offers systolic and diastolic numbers without initial or periodic calibration. the way traditional cuffs do. Targets people already diagnosed with or at high risk of hypertension. And the consumer ring will continuously track blood pressure trends throughout the day, throughout the night, connected through a cloud-connected app that has all visualizations to make it real friendly and interesting and hopefully help you understand it more. Syncs with Apple Health and Google Health. The ring has around a four-day battery life. And Vital Signals is also choosing to skip a subscription model for this data and the whole system, comparing it directly to the cuff model where there is no subscription tied to the data there as well.

23:15And it hasn't been for the last 150 years or whatever that the arm cuff has existed. Maybe that's, I feel like I remember that number, but now as I say it, I'm like, really? Has it been around for 150 years? I don't know. Someone will correct me, I'm sure. Vital Signals is also running clinical trials of a medical grade version with thousands of patients. The company plans this version to actively diagnose hypertension, flag dangerous blood pressure trends, formally alert patients and clinicians instead of just showing numbers and graphs for personal awareness, that sort of stuff. But the consumer version is currently set to ship in October,$399 available for pre-order now.

23:53So a wearable with some real medical hooks to it, it seems. It was 150 years, by the way. You are correct, at least Oh, yay. I didn't just make that up. I peeked at the Bloomberg article real quick. I just think this is amazing. I don't know. I don't know what else to say. And also the fact that it skips a subscription model, especially when it comes to health subscription. It's hard because as a fitness enthusiast, as you know, I am very willing to pay subscriptions for my – it's almost like a hobby. My health is my hobby sort of. But for something like this where it is very much a – especially here in the US, a very prevalent medical condition, hypertension with associated cardiovascularness and just keeping it a non-subscription model that just feels really good especially in this day and age.

24:36Very different. Yeah. Very – yeah. It's – I used to see that. Yeah. It's hard because I don't know like the business model and we hear all the time about how, well, you know, like the treatments makes you more money than things here. I know it's very easy for us to be cynical like that. So I don't know. It's just nice to see something that – I mean, it's not cheap, but the fact that there's not this kind of recurring cost built in as well. And presumably, they will continue – hopefully, they'll continue to support it with firmware and other updates as necessary. I mean, I'm so curious to see also what the medical-grade version is like as well because obviously, again, hypertension, big problem for the whole world and especially us here in the States.

25:16So yeah, this is cool. I have no – this is cool. I love it. Yeah, got to give him credit because the CEO, and why am I blanking? I didn't put his name in here. I apologize. I don't have the article specifically up in front of me. I just have my notes. But he was told by many a VC, you got to have a subscription because otherwise you're going to go bankrupt. I don't know how you're going to do this business without. And he's like, you know, that's just not the way the model of the cuff works. And I'm not looking – you know, if I'm looking to replace the cuff, I don't want a subscription. So, you know, got to give them a lot of credit.

25:48Like I think that takes some guts to go down that road. And they are looking into possibly bringing this technology into earbuds, into glasses, and other form factors. So we'll see. I looked it up for you again. Tom Moss. Tom Moss. Thank you. But yeah, no. Yeah, this is really cool. I hope more people take lead from Mr. Tom Moss in terms of pricing and how they relate to customers. All right. Well, 1Password is changing a little bit in how it relates to its customers by launching a new Mac integration that allows Anthropics Claw to sign into websites using your 1Password vault in a way that doesn't expose those passwords or two-factor authentication codes to the model or Anthropics system whatsoever.

26:29So it uses a secure channel that puts the credentials directly into the page, keeping it out of Claude's memory context. Users would still need to approve each login with a request for biometrics, and any permissions granted would only survive for the current session. 1Password also debuted a genetic mode that knows when an AI agent is in control of the browser and locks down the vault so it can't gain access to it. 1Password then only exposes specific approved items for a given task. It also wipes filled in values from form submissions when things don't go the right way during control. The feature is live for Mac users on individual, family, and business plans.

27:07Payment card and identity data support is coming later as well. I think it's really easy to read this and be like, are you crazy? Giving your AI agent access to your password vault in two-factor. And I mean, I totally agree. When I read through this, I was like, I don't know how I feel about that. But I mean, if they're doing it in a truly gated way and a way, I mean, I think it's really imperative and important that that agent or that system really truly doesn't have access to the actual data. Like it sounds like they're really tunneling that information into the right place without it ever kind of hitting the context or the model in and of itself, then great.

27:51But at the same time, I also operate under the assumption that if I don't want an agent to do something for me, then don't give access. Don't open that door and then tell it not to do this thing and then expect it to not do that thing because there is a non-zero chance that it will still do that thing. Absolutely. And that the only way to prevent it is to not give it access. So, yeah, remains to be seen. I bet other password managers do this, though. Yeah. I mean, it sounds reasonable that there are ways to do it. I'm not a security expert. But, I mean, if you are and if this sounds either totally fine under the assumption that it was implemented correctly and, you know, correctly and with good practices, or if this sounds absolutely like a horrible idea, please write in and let us know.

28:33But, yeah, I agree with you. It's like at least we have the choice to turn it off or turn it on. I have one password. We are on family plans. So I think we'll have a discussion later about whether we enable it or not. But it feels like the way we're going, right? Like it was going to happen at some point. Yeah, it was going to happen totally. Yeah. I agree. All right. Well, guess what? New Patreon perks are here. We have new benefits, including exclusive ways to find out what's going on behind the scenes. And we even have a voice in the show. Sorry. And even you can have a voice in the show, rather.

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30:22The best memories come from stepping outside of your little bubble And being open to the unexpected And what better way to be open to the unexpected than finally booking that trip to Europe? You guys know I'm a Delta girly Every time I go I get my Delta headphones And when I fly to Europe Delta treats me like a queen and they'll treat you too I was always a little nervous about navigating a foreign country but then I realized it's so important to grow and see different cultures and to put yourself in different situations and Delta held my hand the whole time. Being away just helps you put life into perspective and your little worries are not so bad.

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31:35It's official. As we mentioned yesterday, OnePlus has confirmed it is pulling out of the US and Europe as soon as this week with parent company OPPO restructuring their brand and planning a full global exit by 2027. So it finally happened. Either taps or sad trombone or a combination of bone. Maybe it's taps, but instead of a trumpet, it's made with a trombone. There we go. I'll use Suno to create that. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, because I don't have a trombone. Otherwise, I just record it. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports Apple is closing in on a redesigned iPad mini with its first OLED screen, bigger 8.7-inch display, followed by an OLED iPad Air in 11 and 13-inch sizes early 2027.

32:24But do expect the price to rise because, well, everything is getting more expensive because of memory costs. All right. Well, thanks to RW Nash for this story. Some Galaxy S26 Ultra owners are seeing their screens develop a reddish tint or a pink rectangle right in the middle. And Samsung says it's still investigating the cause. Not an intentional pink triangle or rectangle or whatever. Google is teasing a gold Pixel 11 ahead of its August 12th Made by Google event. The video that they released shows off a new rainbow cycling light that we've been tracking when called Pixel Glow. it's positioned where the flashlight usually sits.

33:06Nobody's really confirmed what it does, but I think notification is probably a pretty good guess. It's not a bad guess at all. All right, well, 29 countries, including China and Russia, signed an agreement in Shanghai to launch the World AI Cooperation Organization, a China-led body, to be a counterweight to Western dominance of AI governance. The U.S. and most of the EU are not included. Big surprise. surprised. XAI is suing a South Carolina man for allegedly using Grok to generate non-consensual sexual images, including that of a minor. It's one of the first times an AI company has sued its own user.

33:50All right. Well, Meta will now notify parents if their teens' chats with Meta AI clearly reference suicide or self-harm with flagged conversations manually reviewed before any alert goes out. Okay. Good to know about that. Hyundai is buying SoftBank's remaining right around 10 % stake in Boston Dynamics, the robotics company, for about$335 million, making the robotics company wholly its own five years after first taking an 80 % stake. So wholly owned. Meanwhile, Boston Dynamics is piloting its four-legged spot to close what's called the porch gap between delivery van and the front door, and it'll carry two parcels at a time, apparently.

34:33There you go. And after reports that Valve was quietly discontinuing replacement batteries for the original LCD Steam Deck, iFixit says a new batch is on the way and the parts aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Oh, okay. So, yeah, that's good. YouTube is appealing the verdict that found it and Meta negligent in a 20-year-old plaintiff's video addiction that case uh that i believe we talked about a while back arguing youtube isn't actually a social media platform like instagram or tick tock yeah sometimes i wonder about that like is it a social media platform or is it just a video platform or how do you draw the line between the two i don't even know that's a good question and the european commission is exempting smart watches fitness trackers smart glasses and similar wearables along with things like medical devices and electronic toys from its 2027 requiring user-replaceable batteries.

35:27Okay. All right. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives today. Phil D has thoughts on technical tea, which you might be familiar with, from Experiment Week with Dr. Nikki and Wyn. All right. Well, Phil D writes, Now that I've listened to the full run of the Experiment Week shows, this one seems like the standout winner for me, a fun premise that comes off the science versus tech nerdtacular idea. two interesting hosts, plenty of scope for future episodes and conversations, plus topics that are not already covered by 20 other shows doing similar things. I loved it. Thank you so much, Phil.

35:59Yay! It was so lovely. It was kind of weird reading compliments to myself, but thank you so much. Oh, embrace it. Take it. Actually, there's been a lot of really positive feedback about Technical T, so good job. Well, Nikki, it's really funny. Nikki and I kind of met each other at Nerdtacular, and we're just like, just instantaneously, we're like, we ought to do a show together. and we're really excited. Some of the best ideas come out of those instantaneous things. We also keep talking to each other because it's been actually almost two or three weeks now since we recorded that first show. We keep coming up with ideas for this and that and we have a Trello board full of them.

36:33Wow. So it's becoming a thing. No, yeah. We're basically talking every day about how excited we are to do the next one and we're figuring it out. So thank you so much. Thank you guys all so much for the support. We're really excited. So, of course, we don't just want compliments. If you want feedback, let us know what you like, what you like less. We always want to hear that. And of course, anything else about the show, if you have any insight into a story, let us know. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Indeed, indeed. Thank you again to Phil D for contributing to today's show. Thanks to you for being along for Daily Tech News Show.

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