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2:06This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 22nd, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you important context, and continue to help each other understand. Today, Hugging Face makes an open database for talking to your genome. And who knew what and when with that whole PHP 2 shell thing? Oh, that thing's still going on. I would rather chat with my DNA. But I am Tom Merritt. And I'm Sarah Lane. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. Researchers at Amazon Threat Intelligence, that's Amazon's security research arm, say that they saw evidence of attackers exploiting PHP 2 shell vulnerabilities as early as Saturday, October 17th.

2:50previously on php2shell if you if you're new to this story that is the name for two vulnerabilities in php php is the scripting language that underpins more than 70 percent of the web these vulnerabilities were discovered back in august patches were prepared to be announced this week however someone posted about them on monday on hacker news so php the foundation that manages PHP, had to rush out the patches on Wednesday. PHP security team said it was aware that proofs of concept had been published before the patches were released, but none were functional. Amazon says they saw attempts to hack their Madpot network of honeypots.

3:34Honeypot's a site you make specifically to attract attackers, so you can learn about how they attacked. They came from a VPN. The payloads and the infrastructure used by the attackers suggested there were multiple actors, so more than just one actor. They might have been all part of the same organization, but not just one kind of attempt. Knowledge of the vulnerability had been shared with some organizations under embargo. That is standard practice when you're making this big of a patch. It's like, we need help making sure this all works and get the situation under control so that when we roll out the patch, it works well and it doesn't have its own vulnerabilities.

4:11It's unclear, however, how any attackers got the exploit info. Nobody's fessing up that they gave it. When PHP warned people on Tuesday that a fix was coming, Calif, one of the security organizations that helped discover the vulnerabilities, mistakenly published a video on the exploit. That had the proof of concept that PHP was talking about. And PHP notes that a security firm called Chain Guard unilaterally broke the embargo and published built images containing the fix six hours early. Neither of those would explain Saturday, October 17th attempts, though. So that could explain why they may have ramped up a little faster.

4:51Interestingly, though, Chain Guard's CEO told The Register that one of the researchers who found the original bug told him about it last Friday, said something's coming in PHP. So Chain Guard's CEO wrote on LinkedIn that a, quote, basic prompt of find bad vulnerabilities in PHP was enough to find some things that were wrong, though they still had to work with the original patchers to implement the fix. He told the register, it really did take them months to build a real working patch for it. Like once they found the vulnerability, they couldn't make the patch quickly themselves. They had to work with the original patchers.

5:31And when he saw evidence of attempts to attack six hours before the release or more a day before the release, he made the call to patch early. So with Chain Guard, it was like, we found out that there might be vulnerabilities. We found the vulnerabilities. We started working with them on the patch, realized that the patch was really complicated and we needed them. Then when it leaked out on Monday, people started to attack us. So once the patch was ready, we just shipped it. None of those attempts succeeded. That's the thing to know is there's no evidence that any of these early attacks succeeded, But it's unclear if they would have succeeded against a real-world system, not a honeypot.

6:10And now that the vulnerabilities are public, of course, AWS says they are seeing broad attempts at exploitation. Cloudflare said it went from thousands of attempts in the 10 hours before the public announcement, once people knew something was happening, to millions, now that people know exactly what it is. I'm not sure what else to say here other than you as an administrator need to know that Amazon was seeing people attempt to exploit these because even if you're patched now, someone might have been trying to exploit your website before you patched. Yeah, I mean, the timing of all this is very interesting, and I won't pretend to know exactly what happened here.

6:53But when there's an embargo over a new product, the iPhone Duo, for example, we got a lot of reviews on Monday or yesterday. Yeah, Wednesday. And, you know, all of the companies agree to do this at the same time, and it just keeps everything, I don't know, managed better for Apple, really. And when it comes to something like this with the PHP Foundation saying like, okay, we got some issues. There's clearly been an attack quite some time ago in cybersecurity terms. October 17th is not yesterday or six hours ago. It's last week. And things are going on behind the scenes. And you've got companies who are aware of the changes being made.

7:44but then they're under embargo because everybody's trying to make sure that they're on the same page and also the world understands this like okay we're all safe we're all working together all good but this did not work out that way no it didn't and i think there's two things that confuse the issue there right like one is the embargo like you're talking about chain guards defense is look security embargoes are meant to make sure that the bad people don't know about the vulnerability ahead of time. That's why you agree to it so that you can push the patch out and it gives everybody a chance. Everyone's confident.

8:19Yeah. Everybody a chance to make sure like we're not seeing anything wrong with this patch. We think it can be implemented well. Great. Now let's go. Because then once you go, then everybody knows that there's a vulnerability. Chain guard's defense was we were seeing people try to exploit the vulnerability. Once that happens, the embargo is no good. That means people know about it. So we went ahead and push the fix. Now, six hours is, I think, where you get the argument from PHP. Six hours really wasn't going to make all that much of a difference. Why did you go ahead early? But I think Chain Guard says, great.

8:51Yes, six hours doesn't make all that much of a difference. Why did we have to wait? That's a he said, she said. The Saturday part is the one that really gets me. I'm like, somebody found out from the August to October time period that this vulnerability existed and started to poke around on it and accidentally poked on one of Amazon's honeypots. That sounds like a more sophisticated attacker, maybe a state actor or not, but some kind of advanced persistent threat attacker testing to just see if that vulnerability could be exploited yet. Right. Yeah. Oh, and regarding the other big internet vulnerability from yesterday, uh emudra of the famous security certificate with a secret number of four don't tell anyone the secret number is four uh announced it will voluntarily withdraw from the global ssl tls certificate business they said it wasn't that big a part of their business and uh they just don't feel like trying to recover from this embarrassment so they're just gonna pull it four was not that secret after all four well uh what isn't a secret is how much we love everybody who supports us on DTNS.

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13:06Individual results may vary. All right, there's more to talk about. Let's get to the briefs. This is a big one in Australia. The federal court ordered Apple to allow rival app stores, direct app downloads, and alternative payments for users with Australian Apple accounts starting March 1st, 2027. The order follows an August 2025 finding that Apple misused its market power. Apple can't charge for access to alternative distribution or collect fees on outside payments in apps distributed outside its app store, while fees for app store apps would be capped. Security scans and notarization would still be required.

13:50But Apple can't put disproportionate barriers in the way. Yesterday, Epic Games wrote on X, big news, Fortnite is coming back to the App Store in Australia tomorrow. Yay! They didn't say yay, but, you know, exclamation point. But it's implied. Fortnite has been in the Apple App Store everywhere except Australia since May. So this is a big deal for Epic. Apple plans to appeal, not a big surprise, and seek a stay of the decision, citing security and intellectual property concerns, and can request an extension until May 3rd. Yeah, so yesterday was today in Australia for us. So when Epic Games said Fortnite is coming back tomorrow, that would have been two days from now.

14:39Anyway, I think it may be back. Go check. It wasn't back earlier this morning, but it's probably back by now. But yeah, it's a big deal. The big deal is Fortnite is back. This was Epic's case. And the reason they didn't come back to the App Store is they were waiting for this decision, which is a stricter decision than Apple has faced in other places. Now, Apple might get a stay, in which case Fortnite will not come back to the App Store. But maybe they won't. We'll see. They're definitely going to appeal. And I understand why they're going to appeal. because this is stricter than the other decisions against it as far as like cracking down on what kind of fees they can charge.

15:17Hugging Face released an on-device open model on Thursday called CarbonX. It's meant to help you understand DNA. Scientists from Hugging Face, Zhang Guangkun Academy in China, and the University of Naples Federico II in Italy worked together to train a model on genomic sequences and make it respond in natural language. So you can ask a natural language question about what effect DNA changes would have on gene activity and health, and it will answer you in natural language, but use what it knows about how genomes work to create its answers. It's similar to Alpha Genome, which was released by Google DeepMind last year, except Google DeepMind just answers in numbers.

16:02It doesn't have a conversational output. The idea with this is to use it to help research new drugs, genetic therapies, and patients could also use it to help them understand their own genomes. CarbonX was built on Alibaba's Quen3BPE vocabulary for text plus 5 ,515 DNA tokens. So they used that, then trained that model on 300 billion pieces of data. That was DNA and English texts about DNA and links between DNA and biological descriptions. It was intentionally not trained on any virus DNA. The idea is to reduce the possibility of misuse of someone trying to use it to create a dangerous virus or something.

16:48And it cannot take a full genome. You can only put up to 50 ,000 base pairs in it. That's a small part of a genome. That's another way to reduce the danger of what it could do. It also has 14 billion parameters. So you can run it on your local hardware. I mean, beefy local hardware, but you can run it locally. So you don't have to worry about sharing DNA information with a third party. This doesn't get shared with Hugging Face or anything else, but we don't know how accurate it is. So the next step is for scientists to try it out and see if it works. Quick note, if you're like, wait, Hugging Face, they're part of NVIDIA, right?

17:22NVIDIA has agreed to acquire Hugging Face, but the transaction is not complete. So Hugging Face still independent at this point. But a very interesting tool that I'm definitely going to try to get Dr. Nikki to weigh in on at some point because of the local nature of it and the usefulness that anybody can implement. Yeah. The scientific aspect of AI, just to use that term in a blanket way, is the most hopeful for me. It's nice to, you know, get, get, get things done around the house. Um, and, and, and have a little helper, but, but the actual implication of what can be possible. I just talked on, uh, D, uh, daily tech headlines yesterday about anthropic designing or trying to design a protein that could help develop a scorpion anti-venom.

18:16They're not there yet. But, you know, this is a real project that could really help a lot of people. And that's where I think when we kind of have this AI fatigue, it's important to understand and remind ourselves that scientists and people who are good at these sorts of things are really working on life -changing stuff. Yeah. I know we've talked about it a million times at this point. but AI is a useless term in some respects because it's like saying the web, right? Like it's not entirely useless. You're like, oh, I know what space of things you're talking about when I say the web but a particular website is not going to be the same as another website.

19:03When we say AI, we're talking about large language models and machine learning and deep learning and neural networks. Well, and that's why I say blanket term because I feel like it helps people go, oh, okay, that's what we're talking about. That's the category we're in. But your LLM even is a different, you know, put to a different use than the LLM in this particular example. So you can't just judge them all with the same stick. Don't judge things with sticks at all, really. That's just a bad way to judge things. Yeah, don't poke people with sticks either. Stop poking people. They tend to not enjoy that.

19:37It's not good. Because then they get injured, and then they have to go get genomic therapy but thankfully we'll help if you're a scorpion and you poke with a stick now we've got a problem definitely don't poke people with a scorpion please don't please don't do that uh walmart announced wednesday it had launched an agent gateway to manage transactions and other features for customers using agents walmart already integrates with chat gpt and gemini and is working on muse integration as well but this will let pretty much any agent shop for you. That's the idea. Agent Gateway connects to approve agents using the model context protocol or MCP, letting any agent that supports NCP, which is most of them, search Walmart and Sam's Club inventory, and then make purchases from there.

20:23Walmart says it can keep personal shopping info private from the agent while still letting it shop for your preferred brands. And it'll also keep your payment info private. And it can tell, so it says, when an agent is doing the shopping so that users can set stricter purchase rules for their agents. And yes, you can require approval for each transaction or set a spending limit, you know, just stuff that you might really care about that requires approval for an amount that's any larger than what you're comfortable with or what you've designated. Agents can act outside of Walmart's boundaries that can are designed to be blocked from accessing the site.

21:02So these are approved agents, agents that are behaving responsibly. Finally, Walmart will let you return items if they are purchased by an agent, not acting as intended. It is funny to me, given the long history of Walmart, that it is now taking the position of the friendly retailer, where Amazon and others are out there banning agents. You can't use our site because you're just trying to steal our data and our customer relation and Walmart's like, no, we implemented MCP. Bring them on, all the agents. And yeah, we understand that you might be a little worried that this agent buys something and then you're on the hook and you're stuck with it.

21:40So we'll be a little easier on returns if we can tell, because we can tell that an agent bought it. We'll understand like, oh, your agent made a mistake. No problem. We want you to try this out. This feels like a good model for how to implement this sort of thing. Try to put up the firewalls to make it safe and be a little forgiving because it's new. Yeah. I mean, there are definitely going to be people who try to push this and say, hmm, you know, how do I, how do I have an agent buy me something and then somehow get money back for it? Yeah. Wear it to the wedding and then say, oh no, the agent bought this dress for me.

22:17Yeah. Yeah. I didn't, I never asked for this box, but, uh, but you get that anyway. I mean, that's, that's kind of, I would not say the majority of people shopping at Walmart are trying to do things like this. I do. I agree with you. I think this is, this is, this is the future. I think a lot of people have some catching up to do when it comes to this. If I were to tell, uh, a variety of my not so technical friends who definitely know what Walmart is and shop there either in person or online, like, Hey, you know, you can do this. They'd be like, what are you talking about? I think, I think we, we have a ways to go when it comes to shopping agents, but uh but they're here yeah and and and walmart definitely taking a different stance from like you said amazon amazon being like ah you're gonna screw up everything for us yeah and i know muse is is you know the hot agent right now for for the general populace uh so you know they are already we're working with muse on this and this just says like even if you don't want to use muse you want to use something else we're going to make it easy and we're going to try to make it as safe as possible i think that's the other part that's impressive is they thought ahead and said look We know some of you may be weirded out, but I don't want Meta to have access to all my shopping preferences.

23:31And so they created a way to say, we'll still have it respect your preferences, but it won't learn them. And we won't just hand over all your data to it. So there was some thought that went in here. I'm sure it's not perfect. I'm not trying to brush off that, oh, Walmart is an angel or anything. But at least it's like, oh, they're at least trying to show that they took into account a lot of the concerns that people would have. Yeah. Well, if you're concerned about what you'd like to purchase next, we don't care where you want to purchase it. But we want you to watch our product reviews from people like me, Roger Chang, Tom Merritt, and the whole DTNS family of folks who put gadgets, surfaces.

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26:18Let's get to the quick headlines. They're good to know. They'll make you smart. Xbox Insiders can now stream games that they own and select free ones from Xbox Cloud Gaming without needing a Game Pass subscription. So 10 hours costs$3.99, 25 hours is$7.99, and 50 hours is$11.99. The option will roll out to all players in November. Yes, pay more to play the game you bought. But it's streaming. Everyone loves that. Yeah, no one will have a problem with that. Password Manager 1Password just launched 1Password for Agents, which lets Muse, Town, OpenAI Dots, GrokBot, and a new one called Claude Duet, we'll tell you about that a little more later on, access your login credentials without, hold on, without ever revealing the username or password to the agent.

27:13So when an agent asks to log in, 1Password will notify you, hey, your agent wants to log in, are you cool with that? If you approve, 1Password fills in the required information directly, Kind of like when you can share a password with someone without letting them see what the password is. So you're not sharing all your passwords with the agent. The iPhone Duo comes out on Friday for some of you lucky pre-orderers. And one thing reviewers agreed on is there are plenty of apps not yet optimized for the foldable screens. You know, lots of good reviews, but a lot of people saying the developers haven't caught up yet.

27:51So Apple released a list of 50 third-party apps that are now, or soon to be, fully optimized for Duo. The first working jailbreak of the Nintendo Switch 2 is out. It is a software-only, tethered jailbreak that lets you run homebrew games, mod existing Nintendo Switch 2 games, and back up your save files, among a few other things. It's absolutely against your terms of service to install this jailbreak. You heard it here, folks. Anthropic released a business-oriented agent called Duet. Yeah, that's what we talked about just a couple minutes ago, and you might have said, what's Duet? It can complete tasks in its own virtual machine.

28:33It's meant to create dashboards, suggest actions, and do things like create a daily briefing. Electronic Arts announced it has shut down BioWare, the development studio behind Dragon Age and Mass Effect, and it has canceled the next Mass Effect game. Aw, some disappointing people out there, I'm sure. the oppo find x10 pro max is launching in europe asia and a few other regions it's similar to the x9 with triple 200 megapixel cameras as the biggest differentiator available now for 1499 pounds in the uk insta 360 released updated mics if you choose these instead of the mic pro you will give up the directional sound from the three mic array in the mic pro but you get expandable micro SD storage and an unthinkable feature in today's tech landscape, a lower price.

29:27Insta360 mic, not mic pro, the mic is available for 80 bucks or bundled with a receiver for 140 bucks. Spotify announced a routine improvement to its music subscription service. Family plan users can now verify they live with the plans manager by scanning a QR code on the manager's phone and you even get seven days after a notification to complete the scan so spotify is saying just make sure make sure you all live together what a lovely improvement uh thank you spotify appreciate the routine that was their words but the improvement to keep people from lying to us yeah uh you have only been thinking of me uh politico reports on the barely mentioned U.S.

30:13Technology Support Office. It has been officially mentioned here and there, but there's not a lot publicly known about it. So Politico spoke with 12 current and former U.S. national security officials to learn more about what the TSO does. Sabotage. It does sabotage, covertly, to foreign technology programs it considers a threat. The browser company announced it will retire the ARC browser on December 22nd, encouraging people to switch to the newer DIA browser. It's not browsers, company, people. They can only do one. Yeah, singular, the browser. The browser, and they've gone with DIA, so, you know, bye-bye, Mark.

30:54I know DIA kind of sounds like two, but it's not duo, that's a phone. Mm-mm, mm-mm. We end every episode of DTNS with shared perspectives, and thanks to everybody who gives us them. Today, Mohan has some words of solidarity. Yes. Mohan wrote, thank you again for an excellent episode. I read the articles relating to PHP 2 Shell and eMudra SSL certs on Wired and Ars Technica respectively. But hearing you guys talk about it gave me more insight. Oh, I also am the person that deletes all phones listed on the rental car. I am OCD that way. If you missed yesterday's show, Huan Tua Dao was saying that whenever they rent a car, her husband just goes through and deletes everybody else from the car when they connect to Bluetooth just to be nice.

31:43And apparently Mohan does that too. So good Samaritan, Mohan. Indeed. That's unlike one of my – I don't remember exactly what service it was. It might have been Disney Plus. This is back in the day where somebody at the Airbnb that I managed managed to get onto my Disney Plus account and just stayed there for a while until I noticed. Oh, that's how. How did they do that, though? They were not in your house. No, but they were. I was logged in in the big in the big house. And then they were just sort of like, I am a new member. They're like, oh, look at that. Yeah. And it's free. And I was like, you're not actually staying here anymore.

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