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0:05This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, December 23rd, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, give you all of the important context, and help each other understand. And today, folks, you are the big story. We start with an email from you, or at least some of you, on everything from Spotify scraping to Disney's OpenAI deal and more. And don't worry, we are going to talk about the whole DJI thing, too. Yeah, that's right. It's all about you. You did it. And what you did was very good. You emailed us, so thank you. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Todd Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

0:37You! All right. We've already kind of set it up, but just for those who missed it, we usually end every episode of D2Nest with some shared perspectives, as we like to say. But today, we're beginning with them. That's right at the top. We won't have a chance to read emails in an episode until we get back to new shows on January 2nd, a little ways away. So we picked a selection of many of the great emails that we have right now in the mail, bag to kick us off. We're going to go through them. Yeah, let's start with a couple on the Indie Game Awards decision to disqualify Claire Obscure for its use of generative models.

1:20Two here, one from Andrew in Colorado. I decided to look up the Indie Game Awards fact on Gen AI and was surprised to find the statement so short and ill-defined. Games developed using generative AI are strictly ineligible for nomination. I mean, Rob said that exact word, but yeah, I realized when you're like, let me look it up and make sure. And it's like, oh, no, that's all they said. Andrew continues. Gen AI is a very loose term to use here. It seems IGA's main concern is art assets. But since they don't say that explicitly, I feel like almost every game could be caught up in their rules if they wanted.

1:52As a software engineer, the line defining when I am using generative AI in my work gets blurrier daily. And my ability to avoid using AI diminishes further. My professional IDE used to produce single words as hints, and now it can provide implementations with the press of the tab key. I search the web for documentation only to get an AI overview that gives me the answer. I suspect similar things are happening in the art world too. I'm not upset by any of these changes to how I work daily. I generally like them, but I get very frustrated by people's loose use of terms. IGA here, not you all. Thank you, Andrew.

2:28We need something better than I'll know it when I see it because the line is constantly moving. And then Bill R. wrote also on the Expedition 33 award thing. I think Sandfall Interactive is being treated unfairly. Like you both said, they had the AI images just as placeholders. Virtually all were removed before launch and a few were forgotten. It got patched real soon after release. And where's the line when it comes to AI? Can you use AI to help with writer's block or brainstorming? Can you use Copilot and Outlook? And what's the difference between using AI to generate pieces of the game and procedural foliage tool in UE5?

3:06Yeah. I mean, there needs to be specificity if there's going to be rules around these sorts of things. I 100 % agree. Because like both of these writers said very explicitly, the lines are really blurry right now. And I think part of what I see is there is, and I think I've talked about it on this show before, there is the immediate knee-jerk reaction of some folks where the second they hear the two letters AI, they're immediately like, no, it all sucks, burn it all to the ground. And it's like, you can't really say that in this case because, like they said, the fabrics are being so intertwined.

3:45It's not a matter of whether it survives or whether it's used or whatever. It's in there. It's just a matter of what are the rules around that that you allow for versus not because there is, I think, a difference between using an AI, Gen AI as like a brainstorming tool so that you have an idea on how to approach something, or using Gen AI to wholesale create code start to finish or whatever. And some people are going to be okay with that. Some people are not. So you got to get explicit with this stuff. If it's going to be a rule, like spell it out because having it so wide-ranging like in the first email, it's just kind of silly right now, in my opinion.

4:27Yeah, I agree with you. I mean I think there's a negative way to look at this, which is people are being overly emotional and just wanting to ban a new thing. That's a better way to put what I said. Overly emotional. Yeah, well, I think that's the more negative viewpoint is that this is an ill-founded rule just based on I don't like it and get over it. This is the future could be the response to that. On the other hand, I think you can look at this more fairly and be a little more sympathetic and say, I understand what the indie gamers are saying, which is we want to reward human work. and so if somebody were to just put out a bunch of slop with a bunch of generated images in it, it shouldn't win an award.

5:10I personally think if I were doing it, I would say, well, if it's slop and it shouldn't win an award, it doesn't matter if you disqualify it. You won't vote for it, right? It won't be very good. If somebody makes something very good, then if it used one of these tools, they probably used it well. I feel like making it a factor in the judgment and guidance towards the voting might be a better way of doing it to say like, hey, you know what? You should factor in how much effort was put into this as a matter of judgment versus just saying, well, we're just going to disqualify you if you use any kind of generative model.

5:49Yeah. What is the goal of the awards? Is it to reflect upon the human involvement? Then that needs to be specified. Is the goal to reflect on, wow, that's an amazing game? It's kind of like in the music industry, as we've talked about in the past. There is – mark my words. I'm willing to eat my shoe if it doesn't happen. But there is going to be a time where AI-generated music is kind of almost impossible to tell the difference between human-generated music. And as a result, we are going to see that music infiltrate on a deeper level the charts that we're so used to humans doing. And why? Because the music is going to be good.

6:33Like, I hate to say it. There's going to be good output at some point. And people aren't going to realize immediately that it was created by AI. And so is the purpose to highlight good music or in this case, you know, like a good film or good games or whatever, or is the purpose to highlight good, truly human, you know, created art? And they're two different things. Banning it entirely is I want to punish you for using a thing I don't like. There are better ways to say we want to encourage quality and creativity. There you go. You know, I'm not saying I have the answer of how to do that, but there's certainly other ways of doing that.

7:13Because I always – with music, I always go back to the synthesizer. People used to say, like, synthesizers suck. You should be banned from winning an award for using a synthesizer. And these days, nobody cares if you use a synthesizer. It's like, oh, you made a choice to use a synthesizer in that way to enhance your music. That's so true. I remember that in the end. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, this isn't real music. Right, right. It was great with computers. Nobody says that anymore. Anybody can do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Totally. I mean, it's the same argument. It's just decades later. Regarding Anna's Archive scraping Spotify's music library.

7:47So, yeah, speaking of music, Jason, not me, writes, on the matter of Spotify taking issue with Anna's Archive, I think that this stretches beyond copyright protection. I think that for Spotify, the important measure is to demonstrate that they will come after anyone who attempts to scrape their files. I don't think this is Jason speaking. The issue is Anna's archive directly. I think the issue is deterring individual would be pirates who would circumvent their platform. Thank you, Jason, for that. And then Bill writes on the 300 terabytes of Spotify songs topic. I can absolutely get behind the preservation defense.

8:23when we live in a world where anything digital is basically just a long-term rental or lease, preserving digital content is very important. That being said, where the preservation defense breaks down for me is when they distribute the songs via torrents. Non-song files, that's fine. I don't think that's a big deal. But once songs are being distributed, I don't think you can say that's not illegal file sharing. Yeah. Well, to the other Jason's original point, Spotify isn't going after Anna's archive yet. I think Rob jumped to the conclusion that they will, and I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

8:59But you're saying that they'll come after anyone who attempts to scrape their files. So far, all they've done is say, ah, we tightened up our security so that won't happen. We'll see if they actually try to go after Anna's archive. And to Bill's point, sharing the metadata is illegal. This is not a question of legal or illegal. It is illegal to do what Anna's archive is doing. That is fairly clear. They don't have the rights to that intellectual property. They took it without permission and they're distributing it without permission. So the only debate we can have is whether that's the law, whether that's the right law.

9:33Should it be illegal for them to do that? And when you're talking about preservation, I mean, why is it okay to preserve the metadata and not the files? Shouldn't the files also be preserved? I think Anna's archive's argument is like, we're making this available as one 300 terabyte file as a way to say, like, listen, this is not for somebody who just wants one song out of there. Although they did say they might make some individual songs available, so we'll see. Yeah, that's fascinating. I mean, I generally sit very firmly on the side of wanting digital archives to be preserved. But most of the time when I think about this is usually in the sense of classic games and stuff.

10:13There's just such a rich history that we have lived through already in the last couple of decades, handful of decades, and continue to go further into the future around technology, which is this massive force in humanity, essentially. And, yeah, I totally agree with the fact of the idea that right now where we are, so much of that digital information is long-term rental and doesn't have any sort of persistence. And that scares me. I don't know if it scares me, but it saddens me that something like that would just kind of disappear and go away at a certain point. We probably should have brought it up yesterday, but the Internet Archive exists.

10:54The entire purpose of the Internet Archive is to do this, is to find everything and preserve it and make sure that there's digital history. So, I mean, I'm not no shade on Anna's archive, but it's not like they're the only ones who could do this. We have an entire organization dedicated to it as well. Really, really good email here from someone who wishes to remain unnamed, but has some thoughts on the Disney Open AI deal from inside. inside the call or the email in this case is coming from inside the mouse house um it has been interesting to watch the changes internally over the last few years from initial interest in llms then a severe crackdown and the slow but glacial adoption which led to the announcement last thursday it really took us all by surprise we dismissed the rumors of this deal more than people on the outside did because we know our corporate leadership uh disney is a great example of the challenge faced by rights holders in this agentic age.

11:51Sports and media divisions want to control their IP, while the parks folks are heads down trying to build apps on these tools, when it makes sense, both for cast members and guests. Even though most of the announcement was about Sora, we're still trying to divine what make open AI's models available to Disney employees is going to mean in practice, since most of the projects we've been working on use competing models. I, for one, thought we'd see this kind of partnership with a different large company. Notably, the agreement did not include anything about model exclusivity for employees. It might turn into something similar to AWS, which is our priority cloud service.

12:28Amazon made mention of that in one of its keynotes before COVID. Anyway, love the show. Tom and company have been my best source of tech news and punditry for almost 15 years. Here's to many more. here's to many more so interesting getting the inside scoop on something like this especially from a company like disney at a time where yeah it's it's it's got to be it's got to be fascinating to work in the legacy that is disney and then see what they're facing right now and i mean that you know they're doing a deal like this being just a total like in many ways an acknowledgement of the kind of impressive technology that is AI, right?

13:08Like to a certain degree. The opportunity. I would say opportunity. The opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. Right. Because they're like, well, listen, yes, you can be afraid of this infringing our intellectual property, but also we can use it to expand our intellectual property. I think that's what surprised our emailer here. They expected a different company to do that. It sounds like. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Right. Right. Because Disney, yeah, Disney is, I mean, as legacy as legacy gets, right? And yet, here they go. PR Joni was frustrated, so made his own app. And PR Joni says, been a fan since screensavers, call for help.

13:47I'm an engineer for a K-12 district, recently got a Kindle Scribe to help me get my thoughts together. Yeah, it is great to jot them down doesn't help when you can't search them or send them to notebook lm i hate to plug this but i made this app just because of rocketbook going out of business and i think it is just awesome using on-device models i'm not a programmer and i made this app in less than a week that's so crazy more and more we're going to hear that right like i'm not a programmer and i made this app yeah in no time it's uh what is it called get one scribe so it's one scribe yeah one scribe is the Get one scribe.app.

14:26If you want to check it out, we're not making any recommendations about it. We haven't tried it or anything. But PR Johnny has been a patron for quite a long time. So we don't think this is a scam or anything. But it's a cool thing, like you said, Jason, that people can just create these apps when they have an idea now. Yeah, it's a really empowering time, I think, for a lot of people. And then, of course, on the flip side, developers are a little – and rightfully so – curious, cautious. You mean they hate PR Johnny? Is that what you're trying to say? No. No, I'm not saying that. But along with the – if you want to use the term democratization of things like this is the reaction, which is, hey, wait a minute.

15:12I built my livelihood around this. But yeah. And PR Johnny is taking their jobs. Is that the point? Yeah. No, PR Johnny's cool. I'm not saying anything about you, PR Johnny. You're awesome. I'm only goading Jason to make it clear that Jason is not saying these things about PR Johnny. No, I'm definitely not saying those things. Finally, Rob Bugslife writes with three cheers for Dr. Nikki. Dr. Nikki's topic was so good to hear. This was the story she did about Huntington's disease recently. Rob says, I don't know anyone with Huntington's, but have always kept an eye out for treatments. and more info since learning about it so long ago.

15:51Hearing that people may have a real therapeutic option is amazing. And Dr. Nikki is amazing. She has become a favorite guest of mine. I always love when she's on. Thanks, Tom and everyone, for keeping such an amazing and diverse guest. It's really one of the reasons I love DTNS. Oh, thank you, Rob. Yeah, Dr. Nikki is awesome and smart and the topics, yeah, very cool when we get her take on things. Agreed. I also agree that y 'all are awesome, too, for making the show possible. This is a joint effort, as very much witnessed today by all of these emails. If you don't know, I do a mailbag stream every Tuesday at about 4 p.m.

16:35Eastern, maybe a little before. So you can check that out on Twitch or YouTube. but big thanks to everybody who makes our show possible including kevin morgan paul teeson ali sanjabi and returning patron bruno welcome back bruno yeah we talk about bruno all the time now because he's all the time

16:58there's more we need to know today let's get to the briefs yeah this uh is if there is a bigger story today it's this one uh the us fcc's public safety and homeland security bureau has issued an order prohibiting the sale or import of all new uncrewed aircraft systems or uas or drones as well as uas critical components produced in foreign countries so the way this is written you make it in the uk or canada or mexico uh it is not allowed in the country this isn't just about uh it also targets communications and video surveillance equipment specifically from dji and autel robotics. So even if it's not an uncrewed aircraft system, it's a gimbal or something, DJI can't bring a new one into the US.

17:44However, existing drones stay legal. And I believe that even amounts to import, right? It's not just whatever's on the shelves you can sell and then it's gone. I think DJI could continue to bring in its old models for now. FCC might change their mind and restrict those too, but they cannot bring any new models unless they have been approved already. They're not going to approve anything from now on. Nearly 500 ,000 registered commercial drone pilots in the US are going to be impacted by this decision. A lot of them are understandably upset, arguing that US-made drones are much more expensive and often lag in performance.

18:22And to be honest, there's just not that many US-made UAS vehicles out there. Right. Yeah. I mean, And then you look at a company like DJI controls, at least in the US, a vast majority of the US drone market. At some of those estimates, I was trying to find what are the actual numbers here. Between 70 % to 90%, which is a pretty large delta, but a lot of different industry and policy reports kind of have it somewhere in that range. So you have to imagine this is going to have a pretty big impact. One of the things that I'm wondering about, because you mentioned the thing, and I missed that about the video surveillance equipment related to DJI and Autel Robotics, is one of my favorite products that I've gotten in the last couple of years is the Osmo Pocket 3.

19:06It's a gimbal camera. Something like that. I mean, obviously not the current version, I'm thinking, because it's out there already. Does that prevent DJI from releasing that particular follow-up? It can't come up with a new one. Anything that's already been approved by the FCC can come in, but it can't bring a new version. I don't know if that one is approved by the FCC or not is why I'm phrasing it that way. However, Jason, this is crazy. This is almost unbelievable that the United States would just stop DJI. Well, the first thing to understand is DJI can continue to sell stuff in the US. They can continue to export.

19:48They just can't put new stuff, but that's going to put them at a big disadvantage, isn't it? Well, unless – I don't know, Jason. What could they possibly do to change this? They've been given a year to prove that they're not a security flaw, and they haven't been able to do it. And, well, it is odd that this says any foreign-produced stuff. Yes, yes. So I guess it's secure if it's made in the U.S. There you go. I'm just spitballing here, Jason. just throw i just i i don't know i i love it i love i love your bit maybe this is crazy talk but what if dji created a factory in the united states to build these do you think that they would get an exemption from this uh i mean i don't you know i'm the wrong person to ask on whether it would or would not you know happen but it kind of seems likely yeah it sounds possible given it doesn't sound entirely crazy to you and recent you know recent things that we've seen in the last year.

20:44And it would almost be like customers might not even notice because DJI stuff would continue to be on the shelves. They're going to hear this story. They're going to go shopping and go, wait, I thought that stuff was banned. Why is it still on the shelves? And then a deal is made and then new stuff comes in. But it also gives a little advantage to domestic producers. Yeah. I don't know. I think you might be onto something, Tom. I might be. I don't know. Could be the roadmap that we have in front. Or sorry, the air map. the flight path the flight path that's a better way to put it thank you thank you for correcting my speaking of today's episode i'm already on my holiday break in my head no problem code review and analysis platform code rabbit has released some data that it says reflects that while ai coding tools are in fact generating much more code they are shipping far more problems when you compare that to human-created code.

21:41I feel like some of this is, you know, yeah, of course, obviously. CodeRabbit says AI-driven pull requests average 10.83 issues when compared to 6.45 issues for human-created code. That includes 1.4 times more critical bugs, 1.7 times more major bugs, and all of this results in, as you can imagine, and more vulnerabilities in the code that's created by AI that then needs to spend longer in code review by human reviewers who are looking for and cleaning up those issues. Now, on the positive side, the data does show that AI-generated code has fewer spelling and testability issues, actually accelerates the initial coding phase, so it gets rid of the or helps with the blank page syndrome, let's say, and helps developers create more overall output obviously if it's more but it's not good then overall you know it kind of doesn't matter if it's more if it's sloppy but uh yeah i don't i don't feel like this report is necessarily telling us anything we put couldn't have kind of inferred as as far as uh ai generated code versus humans but you know it was a little bit of i think validation for for human coders who were like hey you know what see it's it's not perfect but it does have a plus side it's another report in the pile.

23:04First of all, CodeRabbit is a company that provides an AI tool to review your code. So just know that. That is both positive and negative. On the positive side, it's not making it seem like, oh, AI is great. But also they're saying, hey, there's problems. Maybe you need a code review tool like CodeRabbit, for example. So they're not entirely disinterested here. But I would say that this is all pretty consistent with other stories we've talked about on DTNS. There's been other studies that show that these coding tools do tend to help in the initial phases. They do tend to speed up certain aspects, but can cause downstream problems.

23:39So I don't doubt the data here because it's pretty consistent with what other folks have found as well. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. And it's also, you know, like I wonder the long-term kind of view on this, right? Right now is definitely a growing pains moment for the industry. As we were talking about earlier, a lot of problems that didn't exist before now suddenly exist because of A, this new technology that's reshaping things, and B, the relatively early state we are in, and C, the wide adoption. And so I do wonder what the long-term ramifications of some of these issues will be, but this seems like an accurate...

24:18It's always hard to talk about long-term as well because these tools are constantly improving. The hockey stick does seem to be tilting a little bit towards level, but it's not leveled out yet. So it's going to get better and better as we go along. Speaking of this kind of topic, in a blog post on Monday about prompt injection attacks, OpenAI detailed several ways that they are working to harden their Atlas browser. And some of these principles can be applied to any agentic browser. The company notes that any agent reading arbitrary web data can be tricked into following hidden instructions and that agents expand the attack surface for sensitive actions.

24:57So, you know, accessing your email, making payments, viewing private documents. OpenAI is pushing a layered defense strategy as a result, pairing intentional product defaults with an LLM-based automated attacker. Basically, they created a bot to red team the browser. It uses reinforcement learning to discover elaborate exploit chains before the attackers do. OpenAI describes using large-scale testing and faster patch cycles to stay ahead of malicious actors. And does note, this is the thing that made all the headlines, but really the majority of the post is about what they're doing to address this.

25:34And OpenAI honestly said, prompt injection, much like scams and social engineering on the web, is unlikely to ever be fully solved. Uh, that's basically like saying humans will never stop trying to find vulnerabilities and will occasionally succeed at finding them. Uh, open AI continues to recommend that users of agents limit logged in access, review confirmation requests closely and recommend giving specific instructions rather than letting the agent take whatever actions it needs. Yeah. So the, uh, you know, the, the bots are searching for the insecurities. The hackers are searching for the insecurities.

26:10The hackers probably also use bots to find the insecurities. Yep. I mean, other than it's got bots, this is all of security's history. Yes, totally. There's a group trying to find vulnerabilities and a group racing to find them before the malicious group finds them. And that's what OpenAI was talking about with this blog post is here are the things we're doing to try to stay ahead of that game. That game is never going to go away. I think most of the articles I read about this were really good. TechCrunch had a really good article about it. But there were some headlines that were sort of making it like, OpenAI admits they can never solve that browsers will always be insecure.

26:50And I'm like, yes, all browsers will always be insecure, whether they're agentic or not. There's just specific security vulnerabilities with agentic browsers that need to be addressed. And that's what this is about. Right. And this isn't the only thing attached to AI that's kind of gone through this either. They're obviously prompt injection, a threat that's always real. AI will always carry a hallucination threat, almost certainly. The AIs are imperfect. They're always going to get things wrong. Let's really try to get out of the habit of using the word AI unless we have to. No, you're right.

27:21Because machine learning doesn't hallucinate. LLMs hallucinate. And like you said, they probably always will. Yeah. And so, yeah, I'm sure I'm missing things too. I'm sure there are other things. But it's so easy to jump to the, oh, they admit it, therefore it's never going to be perfect. I mean, there's hardly anything in this world that is absolutely perfect and bulletproof. So, yeah, it's just a better state. Yeah. Yeah. And finally, we have a few quick headlines that are just good to know if you want to understand the news in the future. The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative has finished an inquiry launched in early January under the Biden administration that determined that China has engaged in unfair trade practices and semiconductors and will impose tariffs on China as a result starting June 23rd, 2027.

28:12So not even next year. If you're listening to this after January 1st this year, we're talking a year and a half from now. A lot can happen between now and then. But that's the date that they will assess tariffs as a remedy to unfair trade practices. Put yonder on the calendar. Yonder. That's a fun word. Johan Rank, who's the Emmy-winning director of Chernobyl. Fantastic series, by the way. Well worth watching. is set to create Netflix's live-action Assassin's Creed series. He's going to be working on bringing the Ubisoft flagship game franchise to the TV for Netflix subscribers. OpenAI released its own year-in-review recap for users called Your Year with ChatGPT.

29:02Users in select markets will be offered the recap if they have reference-saved memories and reference chat history turned on and meet minimum activity thresholds. And they give you a little gif too that represents you. Mine had a Dodgers hat, so it doesn't really know me at all, does it? It's like, no, but baseball, right? Baseball, it doesn't matter what team, right? Yeah, yeah. Hallucinate a different hat next time, Chidge. I had 1 ,090 chats and 7 ,737 messages, by the way. I can't remember my personality type. I think it was creator or something. Producer. Yeah. Something along those lines for me too.

29:42And finally, sadly, Vince Zampala, who's the co-creator of the call of duty video game franchise has died. The age of 55 car crash in Los Angeles, California. Well, folks, if any of you are headed to the consumer electronics show in Las Vegas, you should come meet us. Me, Rob, Amos, KT data, Jason, you're going to be there too, right? I'll be there. Yeah. we're all going to meet up on Wednesday, January 7th at 6.30 p.m. at the Resorts World Food Court. You do not have to be a CES attendee. This is not an official event. We're just telling you where we're going to be. And if you want to come by and meet us, there's a lot of little food stalls and places there where you could grab some food and sit down and we'll have some stickers to give away.

30:25So come on out. That's Wednesday, January 7th, 6.30 p.m. at the Resorts World Food Court. We will see you there.

30:35Well, that does it. Normally we would have our emails, but we already did that earlier. So that does it for the regular shows this year. Tomorrow we are going to have a live show covering this and DTNS Live. And then we're into the holiday specials. Yeah, we've got gift support coming on Friday, where we all talked about our various tips and tricks for dealing with technology gifts. Once you've got it, how do you troubleshoot it? And then Jen Cutter and I are going to review. We usually do a monthly review of the tech news. We're going to review the entire year. That's coming on Saturday. We're also going to release our predictions show from last year, so you can review it in advance of our predictions results show, where we will go over those predictions, which is coming on Tuesday.

31:23We've got a best of show coming on Monday. We have our actual predictions show for 2026 coming on December 31st. And then we're back on January 2nd with a live CES preview show. So that's the holiday schedule. Jason, may I say, my friend, it has been a pleasure doing DT &S with you this year. This has been really fun. No, it's been such a fun experience. And I've told you, but I don't know if I've mentioned it on the show. But for many years, you and I podcasted way back in the day, and then we did not. And it's always been on my list to kind of reconnect with you. And this has been a wonderful opportunity to be able to do that.

32:05So thanks to the community for welcoming me into the DTNS fold. And you too, Tom. Yeah, you can't stay away from me for long, Jason. Exactly. I have a particular set of podcasting skills, and I will find you. That's how I like it. Fantastic. Folks, what are you thinking about over the holiday break? Do you like our special episodes? Do you have ideas for a new one that maybe we should add to the schedule next year? Share all of that with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Yeah, there were a bunch of you. Big thanks to Andrew, Bill, Bill R., the other Jason, PR Joni, Rob, and Anonymous, whoever you are, for contributing to today's show.

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