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2:19Huyen Tue Dao: This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, May 14th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you some important context, and try our darndest to help each other understand. Today, Tom's reported year of the smart glasses is almost middle-aged, and X-Rail and Meta are still leaders. Just like last year, Tom will explain himself. I know. I will apologize. No, I think there's still hope. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Linda Wittdow. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. yeah so as we head toward the summer development conferences of google io microsoft build apple's wwdc my contention that this will be the year of the smart glasses is about to be put to the test but the early leaders in smart glasses both have news today let's see if it makes me feel any better about my prediction.

3:10Huyen Tue Dao: The ROG Xreal R1 gaming glasses are available now for pre-order. These are basically Xreal's 1080p glasses, but with a 240 hertz refresh rate. They also have a bundled dock that's pretty cool. It makes it much easier to connect to multiple types of hardware, like game consoles and PCs. You can still connect directly by USB-C if you want. But the ROG Xreal R1 glasses are$849. And again, they're tethered. Also, Meta is opening up its Meta Ray-Ban display glasses to third-party developers. You can make your app now take advantage of the mic, the sound, the display, and the neural band controller on both iOS and Android.

3:54Huyen Tue Dao: So that could be adapting an app you already make or making an app from scratch. You can also connect it to a web app as well. So it could be an extension of your website. Meta showed the glasses being used for both your typical information overlays like navigation or information about what you're looking for, grocery lists while you're in the grocery store, but also games, which makes me think somebody must have already made Doom run on these glasses. But I am starting to feel like the smart glasses and Meta's Ray-Ban displays particularly are the palm trio of smart glasses, right? Like they have enough of a user base that people are excited to talk about them and people are excited to try them and go, ooh, that's kind of cool.

4:42Huyen Tue Dao: But we're still waiting for the iPhone. And I'm not even saying Apple is going to be the one that does it, but like these are a little bit clunky. Yeah. The kind of like the one, the one, the Luke Skywalker slash, I don't know, insert. The one that goes from like, yeah, I know somebody who has that to I see everyone on the bus with them. Yeah. Yeah. I don't disagree with you. I'm kind of curious more on, you know, from the Android side, we've talked a lot about the upcoming Samsung glasses. Those are a bit different, of course, with running Android XR. I actually, coincidentally, after all the time that Jason has talked about his, like, cornucopia of smart glasses, or, I mean, I guess different glass displays.

5:28I also have. I lump them all into smart glasses. Yeah, smart glasses.

5:32Huyen Tue Dao: Whether it's X-Real and tethered or Oakley's that you're around. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I do have the X-Rail 1s, which look really similar. I don't really know. I didn't do a spec for spec. But I will say that I agree. I think it's a really cool technology as a tech person, but maybe not a glass, super glass enthusiast. I like the experience, but I don't use them that often because it's different. Like, it's just something to get used to. It's not, you know, quite the same as – like, I was looking at the – um, Rog Xreal, sorry, ROG, they don't like it when you say Rog. Yeah. The ROG Xreal R1, you know, uh, site with kind of like their mockups of the experience and everything like that.

6:15And I think always the promise is, is that it will be just like having, you know, literally an extra screen, screen floating above you and, and like the kind of dynamism and like immersion of that. Um, I do like the glasses. I don't really use them that often. My husband uses his all the time. Um, especially on planes and stuff like that. And I actually have a, international trip coming up and tempted to take them. I don't, I think for me, it's not an everyday thing. And even my husband has stopped using them in bed, thank goodness. Like, you know, doing his gaming or whatever before falling asleep.

6:48Huyen Tue Dao: Not until he gets the 240 hertz version. That's going to be great before bedtime. It's just not, I don't know if it's something I'm not used to, or it's still because of the physics of, you know, projecting an image through glasses and all the kind of optics of that. It's not the most comfortable thing for me. It's not something I'm quite used to. There's a lot of very compelling things about it. I just don't use them all the time. They're like a very special use case thing. So that's, I think, maybe just to your point. I feel like that's where we are. Obviously, we're going to hear something from Google about this at I.O.

7:24Huyen Tue Dao: next Tuesday. We might hear things from Microsoft getting into this space a little more. I'm curious if we hear something about that from Build. I don't expect to hear much from Apple about this yet. I think we're still a year away from them jumping into this space. So I'm not sure how I feel about it. I am right in that a lot of people have launched smart glasses of various descriptions this year. Obviously, you know, with Meta opening things up, they're also trying to expand the utility of them. But everybody I talk to who has them says, yeah, either on the most positive end, they're kind of cool.

7:59Huyen Tue Dao: I like having them. You must try them. To people who are like, yeah, this is half-baked. It feels like an abandoned product. And I think that's one of the reasons Meta is opening this up to third-party developers is they want to fight back on that perception and say, no, we need more apps in here. We need more utility. Let people make stuff for it. That is one thing that I think is – I always like hearing that. I do say that as an app developer for many years now, there are going to be, say, folks that make specialized apps for glasses, of course. I do think that don't – I would say don't put your money on, like, popular apps or apps that everyone uses doing stuff like this, specifically a single manufacturer API.

8:43It takes a lot of time to do these things. it's hard enough to get like most companies that have big apps to just do large screens right or do you know widgets right or something like that so um yeah i do think it's a step in the right direction and i do agree with you that part of it is that missing experience um that's why i think and again biased i'm more i'm more excited in terms of the app space for android xr just because it's a platform rather than a particular pair of glasses but as you said it's the met array bands that are really, I think, truly in people's consciousness. And I actually personally know a bunch of people who use them regularly.

9:17I have a friend who is learning how to fly, so he constantly wears his to help record his class sessions and things like that. Is it the red pants? I think he has the red pants. Yeah, yeah.

9:26Huyen Tue Dao: I'm sure it is because that would make sense. Yeah, so things like that. So I think it's also worth trying to figure out how to use them. And that's also just brought in the way. Cameras on glasses in people's faces. and cameras on glasses on people's faces and in people's faces still feels like a pretty not a pretty sensitive topic so i think there's like a lot of things that play into the hmm cool idea but dot dot dot yeah it's it is the palm trio all over again like why do you need a phone that big how do you type on a keyboard that small you know like who makes apps for that anyway right like whoa but you've got the whole palm os you know marketplace available yeah but not everything's optimized for that like it's all the same conversations that's that's why that's stuck in my head uh and we may or may not get an iphone in this space we don't know yet so let let us know if you're you especially if you're a user you know what you think about where this space is headed feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com yeah um by the way we want to let you know you guys know that we really are thankful for you because dtns is made possible by you so let's take time to extra special thank, Brian Bennett, Mike Cortez, Bill Russell, and Aaron Sturr.

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13:41Huyen Tue Dao: All right, let's get right into the briefs. Google says it's testing a new storage policy for new accounts in select regions. Instead of the 15 gigabytes of free storage you get now with a free Gmail account, new users will only get 5 gigabytes unless they add a phone number. Google says this is to encourage users to improve account security and data recovery. It also says in the test pop-up that it's meant to make sure storage is added only once per person. Most people need to add a number anyways. but exceptions exist, such as when signing up on an Android device that does not have a SIM card.

14:18Huyen Tue Dao: A lot of people's immediate knee-jerk reaction was like, they're trying to get my personal information. They just want my phone number. And I think Google has a lot better ways to do that. I really don't think that's what this is about. I very much think it's about stopping spammers from signing up to get a bunch of Gmail accounts that aggregate 15 gigabytes of storage together and then use them without paying for them. Like, because if you tie it to a phone number, you not only are now requiring an extra step of identification, but also if you use that same phone number or something else, you're going to be like, yeah, you already got your 15 gigabytes.

14:57Huyen Tue Dao: You're good. And the fact that Google already requires a phone number for almost every single use case of signing up for a new Gmail account. uh so i i really think this is just you know people abusing the privilege to to figure out spamming and and all that i i believe him on that do you oh 100 um it's it's just unfortunately a fact that we you can't we can't have nice things y 'all we can't have like 15 gigabytes of free storage forever because someone's gonna someone some people are taking advantage of it i know it's it's information but a little friction like of this kind goes a long way in terms of just not stopping spammers and bad actors, but, you know, kind of making it harder for them.

15:37Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. And if you don't trust Google, you probably shouldn't be storing your data with them anyway. But I get it. I give my phone number to two-factor authentication all the time, if that's all they have. I much prefer an authenticator app or a passkey, but if they don't have it, I will use that phone number for that. And I hope that the good people who do auditing out there or tracking to make sure that that privilege isn't abused. But hopefully we get to a passkey world someday where we don't even have to think about that anymore. Oh man, that would be nice. It is the dream. OpenAI has added remote access to its codex for Mac app on the mobile app for iPhone, iPad, and Android.

16:20Huyen Tue Dao: So in other words, you can approve a codex task or even start a new prompt when you're away from your computer that will happen on your computer. You've got your Pixel 10, you've got your ChatGPT app on there, and you just say like, yeah, okay, keep going on that. And our codex compute gets to a point where it's like, well, I need your approval to log into this. You can do it from your phone. You connect it by scanning a QR code on the Mac with the phone you want to connect. And if you're like, why just the Mac? Support for remote connection to codex for Windows is on the way as well. They're just launching it first on the Mac.

16:57Huyen Tue Dao: Maybe this is the solution to all those people walking around with their laptops open at the ice skating rink or wherever they were, according to Business Insider. They could just leave the Mac at home running and use their phone. Oh, man. Yeah. I can't help but think about brain fry because even now, literally this morning, using an agent is extremely blasé at work and most places. Now it's like, how many tasks are Are you able to do? Are you using work trees that work so you can literally work on three different features? Check out three different branches from Git and work on three different things at once.

17:31The brain fry is real. Of course, we've talked – various members of us have talked about that multiple times on this show. It's getting real, and I don't mean to poo-poo. A genuinely cool feature and probably that does have a lot of legitimate utility. But, oh, my gosh, you know, there's already enough pressure since we can have work profiles on our phones and secure emails and chats. Now, just imagine that what are you doing if you're not constantly working? That is my one big concern with this. Other than also hopefully, I mean, again, not a security expert. So I'm kind of curious about, like, the security of this, which makes me wonder whether it would be available for actual, like, kind of big enterprise stuff.

18:12That'd be interesting. but yes it's nice but I need to turn off I think it's a good point that just because they made

18:19Huyen Tue Dao: the pan bigger doesn't mean you have to keep filling it with oil and frying your brain in it that's how you get flabby chicken skin when you try to pan fry too many things in one pan apologies to vegans but yes that's a really good analogy I might have to keep that one thank you it's a silly one but I think it might work it's kind of true though i'm literally going through this right now i'm taking off next week to go to a conference i have three things to do and it's like there is only but one me and of course there are multiple agents but then yeah you know the pressure will be i already have pressure already to even though i've taken off and i'm doing other things to keep checking in and of course this kind of roll rolls into like work-life balance and yada yada use it responsibly right this is a great tool like you said right of like oh i don't have to have the laptop with me i I can have it do the thing.

19:12Huyen Tue Dao: And when it's ready, I can check on it. But like everything else with your phone, you don't have to check it. You don't have to use it all the time. And I think it's like every other advancement in human history, right? When we had machines take over manual labor, we had to learn to exercise. When we had abundant food, we had to learn to eat well. Now we need to learn work-life balance. Yeah. Well, definitely push back on anyone who expects you to manage your agents while you're at the ice rink with your kids. Okay, well, now a public service announcement. On Thursday, Instagram released a feature called Instance that lets you share disappearing photos with the tap of the shutter button, which is unlike the rest of Instagram where the shutter button just captures a still that you then go on to share afterwards.

19:59Do you want to turn it off so you don't accidentally send photos? Go to your Instagram profile, click the three-line menu at the top right, open settings, scroll to content preferences, and toggle hide instance in inbox.

20:12Huyen Tue Dao: Thank you, Gwen, for that public service announcement. I did not accidentally send an instant because I bailed on setting it up. But I know that a lot of people were like, oh, so I'm going to take a picture. And then when you take the picture, you're used to an Instagram get looking at the picture approving it and then sharing it it instagram's like great it just sent there is an undo but it's got time limited and a lot of people didn't realize they'd sent it and they were confused and so yeah you can just turn it up if you want oh man this feels like one of those features where it's trying to get to that like you know a little more less of the very specific hamster wheel that social media is whether you're an influencer or just a regular person.

20:56It's trying to make it more spontaneous.

20:59Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, because it's just friends or friends of friends, right? Yeah, yeah. But oh man, y 'all, we need undoes and we need approvals, y 'all. That's just human nature and technology. You've changed the vocabulary of Instagram, so give us a minute to adapt. Speaking of adapting, we adapted really fast when Zoe, the person who does our social media and helps with the moderation and everything, said, you know what? If you had a DTNS bottle for water, I would buy it. And Joe and I jumped on it and created a DTNS logo water bottle. So that is available at the DailyTechNewsShow.com store. There's one for the DTNS live logo, as well as the Daily Tech News Show logo.

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23:09Huyen Tue Dao: All right, let's get to those quick headlines. These are good things to know. I'm sorry. I'm still picturing purple, orange, and red, like a set of purple, orange, and red maggots. That's gross. Okay. Well, anyway, Brazil's Anatol regulator published images of a controller from Microsoft that looks like it might be the Xbox Elite Series 3 controller. It shows two scroll wheels at the bottom, a new pairing button on the front, and a removable, rechargeable battery. Hey, we got a credible leak on that. Thank you, Brazil. The first big tech IPO of the year launched yesterday, stock for Cerebras, spelled C-E-R-E-B-R-A-S, trading on Nasdaq initially rising 69 % as successful IPOs often do, and then they cool off.

23:52Huyen Tue Dao: Cerebris makes those chips that are tailored for faster and more efficient inferencing. We did a whole episode on those with Andrew Main a couple months back if you want to check that out on the weekend edition. But this is the beginning of the year of IPOs. Forget smart glasses. It's the year of tech IPOs. All right. Well, if you're looking for a solid commuter e-bike, our Seneca has a good review of the velotric discover 3 which sells for just less than two thousand dollars microsoft has updated the edge browser so that it no longer loads all your saved passwords into memory at startup in clear text which microsoft had said had been by design and i guess they changed their design that's good that's good oh my goodness after reporting record quarterly profits samsung stock has surged to give the company a trillion dollar valuation the second Asian company after TSMC to reach that level, with SK Hynix achieving it shortly after.

24:48Man, you know, Samsung employees must be really excited about how great their company is doing, right, Tom?

24:53Huyen Tue Dao: You bet, Juan. The National Samsung Employees Union was so excited that it agreed to hold unconditional talks with management just as soon as it's done with its 18-day strike on June first. The union wants a cap on bonuses removed and profit sharing of 15%. The company says we'll remove the cap this year but won't commit to the future and they want the profit sharing to be 13%. Well, thanks to RWNash for noting this one on the DTNS subreddit. Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says Intel is conducting test runs of building Apple Silicon for iPhones, iPads, and Macs on its 18A-P process if the tests go well until hosts begin deliveries in 2027 yeah this went from rumor to reality really fast um so look at that and these plants a lot of these plants are they're like in arizona ohio etc so interesting uh close also possibly interesting closing arguments were made on thursday in the trial between elon musk and open ai it's now up to the jury to decide if musk took too long to file the case.

26:01Huyen Tue Dao: If they think he did, then we're done. If not, then they have to decide if OpenAI had a charitable trust that was broken by OpenAI executives in order to enrich themselves at Musk's expense. Well, UK's Ofcon says X has, quote, committed to implementing stronger protections for UK users, which it will now monitor closely. Yeah, and they're still looking at XAI as well. So that's next. Wall Street Journal reports that several companies from Lyft to Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream have reported a need to consolidate the use of agents in the enterprise. Wynn, you were just talking about this. It is so easy to create an agent that everybody's creating them and they're duplicating work, broadening the security vulnerability surface area, the attack surface area.

26:45Huyen Tue Dao: So the journal article has some best practices from companies like Lyft, including role-based access, spend controls, usage analytics, audit logging, curated plugin libraries. This is one of those technologies that's just, you know, growing faster than admins can deal with right at the moment. Scale, you guys. Sometimes more is just more, in my opinion. All right. Well, analysis by the University of Michigan has found that used electric vehicles are now the most affordable option for U.S. drivers, given the cost of purchase and operation. Yeah. No, it's the gas prices going up. Yeah, it's the gas prices.

27:22Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. Now make it so that like a used EV, you can get a discount on and then you don't have to pay for gas. You don't have to pay as much for maintenance. Makes sense. This feels like the break that electric vehicles need. Not that it's not that any of the gas prices being very high is okay. I know what you mean. Things like this are kind of how, you know, gas to electric might happen. Yeah. All right. Well, we end every episode of DTS with some shared perspectives. Today, Clarence has some insight into why cell carriers in the U.S. are teaming up to share cell tower space to improve rural coverage.

27:58Hey, guys.

27:59Huyen Tue Dao: Love your show. This is Clarence McDowell. I am a managing partner of Cell Site Appraiser. We do consulting related to cell towers and cell sites. Listen to your story regarding the carriers getting together to create a standard for cell site coverage. It's all about managing CapEx and reducing costs. For many years, the carriers competed having different networks or different types of architecture and realizing it's very costly to keep up and maintain. So right now, all of the carriers are looking to standardize their networks, make it interoperable as much as possible and start to share spectrum.

28:50Huyen Tue Dao: And this is something that I let landlords know about, because if the networks can be shared, then there may not be as need for as many cell towers in the future because of that interoperability. And then on top of that, with cell sites in space and satellite coverage, that will fill the gap between towers and make the service better for customers overall. Just my two cents. Thank you again for your time. Have a great day. Oh, no, you have a great day. That was fantastic info. Really appreciate you calling in and sharing that. I thought you guys had a great conversation about this yesterday and Clarence helped fill in a bunch of the gaps in the questions that we had about that story.

29:37I mean, that is absolutely fantastic. And Clarence, that just makes so much sense with different protocols, different like, I mean, every kind of tech, right? When you have like a competitive space, you end up with tons of different protocols, tons of different specifications. And of course, as something like bandwidths and connectivity becomes a commodity, all those differences make things like that harder and being able to serve like the widest amount of people. So that is absolutely fantastic. I didn't even think about that. And that's great. Thank you so much.

30:04Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Yeah, and we have a bonus one for you, a second one, rather, for you today. Dave from the Echo Tips podcast wrote in with his experience shopping with Amazon's advanced voice assistant. Yes, Dave wrote, howdy, DT &S team. Long, long time listener and patron for many years. I've got a podcast I've been doing for eight seasons that started as an outgrowth of a non-profit program to aid seniors and those with disabilities to learn about Al-Exa's new features. I'd say 75 % of my Amazon purchases as of late were made purely using my voice. I'm a blind guy, so maybe the appeal is much more alluring than it might be for others and for our community.

30:47Huyen Tue Dao: Amazon is by no means the only player. InnoSearch has tried to pioneer the same concept with an LLM. You could call on an 800 number and order things from. I love being able to break out cost, asking things like how much does that cost per ounce or how much does that cost per roll of paper towels and similar things. Also with food allergies, just being able to ask what are the ingredients or does that have milk or dairy in it? It's a very fluid and easy way to triage info versus trying to find a nugget amongst the morass that is an Amazon product listing. Anyhow, love the show and figure I'd share.

31:24Huyen Tue Dao: We had asked like who uses voice for shopping and Dave stepped up and was like me, I use it. And these are really good reasons why. I didn't even think about doing the like, I don't know if I trust it to do the calculation, but it would be useful if I could, that like how much per ounce is this one versus the other one. Certainly the ingredients thing, I would trust to be fairly accurate. And that's an important one too. So these are all good food for thought. Yeah, I have to say I continually and very much welcome the feeling of, I want to say eating humble pie. That's not quite it. I know a lot of times we feel like the current wash of AI washing features where a lot of us feel like a lot of the features that gets tacked on are different products because of AI.

32:12because basically if you want to have a successful business or get fun at anything, your thing has to have AI in it. And so it feels like a lot of it feels superfluous or spurious or any other words that have S &P in them that imply these kind of concepts. But I'm constantly reminded, and this is a wonderful reminder to me, especially as an engineer, that accessibility is such an important use case for so many of these features, including, you know, again, this huge emphasis on doing things with your voice and doing things hand-free. Incredibly important. And again, a really good reminder. kind of similar parallel conversation is a lot of times styluses again from Android faithful whether something has a stylus or not you know I know a lot of us don't necessarily use styluses or care for them but again also a very very important tool for accessibility whether that's for mobility or otherwise and that's someone who you know has has has had to help you know let's say implement accessible experiences like, for example, on Android are text-to-speech tool that allows Android to kind of basically speak out the current screen and what elements are on it, what different description tags saying this button does this.

33:20So even as a sighted person, testing that is not a great experience for me because I'm not used to it and it literally reads out everything on the screen. And imagine you have a form where there's tons of things. again, I'm very privileged as a sighted person to not have to use that as my, you know, route to being able to do certain tasks, right? And it's a lot longer to have to listen to the entire screen than just saying, hey, whoever. And it took me a minute when you said, when you pronounced her name a little differently, I was like, is that a new assistant? Who is Al XF? And I got it.

33:55Huyen Tue Dao: That's my way of not triggering it to talk back to me in the middle of the show. Absolutely. I was like, that's really kind and smart. But anyway, just to say that it is a good reminder that a lot of this, again, the high tide lifts all boats, as I say, a little bit too much, but that there is a really wonderful use case. There are really valid, legitimate, and extremely useful use cases for this. And so, yes, it's a good reminder. So thank you so much. All right. Well, what are you thinking about? Do you have some insights? Share them with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Yes, big thanks to Clarence and Dave both for contributing to today's show.

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