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3:26This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, July 22nd, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up in the context of those stories, and help each other understand. Oh, today, what happens when vibe coding goes rogue? It deletes your entire database, but it's fine. It's fine. It's all fine. We'll explain. Don't worry. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

3:53It's like an episode of Black Mirror coming up here. An AI coding assistant built by Replit. Is it Replit or Replete? Anyways, Replit AI was being used by the founder of Sastr. It's a startup, but kind of a startup. Oh, I get it. Software as a service, Sastr. Sastr. There we go. Jason M. Lemkin is the CEO of that company, and he was doing a 12-day vibe coding experiment when things went horribly wrong, apparently. Lemkin took to LinkedIn to describe what happened. He said that the AI assistant, this is Replit's AI assistant, ended up deleting the startup's entire production database during a test run and without permission.

4:41In fact, it had been explicitly told to freeze all code changes throughout the process. Now, when Replit noticed empty database queries, what it did, it proceeded to destroy production data that included live records for 1 ,206 executive and 1 ,196 companies. So that's executives and companies. According to Lemkin, it also covered up bugs. This is his word, bugs and issues by creating fake data and fake reports. And it lied about the test itself. When asked directly, the AI acknowledged afterwards, this was a catastrophic failure on my part. Replit's CEO, Amjad Massad, issued a public apology on Twitter, stating that this behavior was, quote, unacceptable and should never be possible.

5:31You got that right. Massad also acknowledged Replit's ability to actually restore entire project states from backups that the system keeps during use. So all is not lost, as far as I could tell anyways. Now, one reminder from Lemkin in light of this incident, he shared this on Twitter, quote, They are tools, not dev teams. Remind yourself of that every single day. And that's a good reminder because I think people – we're kind of entrenched in this idea that these AI tools can replace human workers, can do the job of others, of real people. And I think this is just one of those concrete examples of don't put your trust entirely into these tools, at least not yet.

6:16There's still a long way to go because things like this can happen. Yeah, there's a lot of confusing things happening and a lot of people with other agendas than understanding throwing things around. And so I hate seeing stories like this because what's going to happen is a lot of folks are going to say, see, you can't use these horrible tools ever because they'll delete your entire database. And the fact is, this is such a big story because Replit usually doesn't do this. You know, if it was doing this all the time, that would be a different story. And that would have been a story a lot earlier than now.

6:55I do think that it is important, like you said, to understand, and like Lemkin said, that there are limits on what these tools do now. I think a lot of people would then want to jump to the conclusion of, so these tools, you know, are only this good. And a lot of folks that I know that work in the industry say, yes, that is where they are now, but they are getting better all the time. And they're getting better all the time in two ways. One is learning from situations like this where Replit has already put in a bunch of filters and guardrails to try to stop that from happening in the future. But also just the models improving at a rapid pace.

7:34I mean, we are only a little more than two years away from chat GPT, the first being introduced. And we're in a world where people are doing 12 day vibe coding sessions and often succeeding. So I'm not trying to say, you know, don't lose sight of the lessons of the story, because I think it's important to take the lessons from the story of, hey, these things at this point are not good at everything and they're not trustworthy. And I am very much of that opinion now of like, I'm careful where I use these things because I know I have to check their work. But I also already anticipate the people saying, and see, they suck, so don't use them and it's all a fraud.

8:13And I don't think that's true either. No, it's the baby with the bathwater analogy. Yes, don't throw them both out. Keep the baby, people. Keep the baby. Come on. It's so cute. I know the bathwater needs to go. It's a little dark, you know, obviously needs to be blood. Especially after that baby was in it. Yeah, exactly. Actually, AI is very much the baby here. It's like, you know, it poops and it's dirty and it's annoying and it does things wrong. But, you know, eventually it's going to grow up. I mean, it's in its infancy. You got to admit, for a two-year-old, it's showing major promise. Yeah, that's a really good point.

8:50There's a lot of potential there. What it reminds me of is, you know, what you were talking about reminds me of, aside from babies and bath waters, is kind of the often reprise or reaction to Teslas and EVs that are self-driving, getting into an accident or whatever. And that ends up being the kind of thing where people point to it and say, see, these things are dangerous. And then when you look at the wide scope, you know, the amount of vehicles on the road that are not EVs and the accident rates, and you do that by comparison, you realize that it's easy to point at this one example because there are so fewer examples to point to by comparison.

9:28And so it becomes the poster for the people who don't agree or don't like or whatever. I think that's exactly where we're at with something like this. At the same time, it's also a good understanding or slash a good reminder to know that sometimes you don't, especially at this point, we don't truly understand what kind of permissions and access these systems have. We know what we're told, how it was built to work with the data underneath with the models and everything. There's just a certain level of trust that we have to seek. It is a baby after all. Yeah, totally. Babies do crazy things. You don't want that baby to poop in your face.

10:07So just be careful. Yeah. I like this analogy way better. I was going to go with the like, it's like an untrustworthy intern. Sometimes your intern is great. Sometimes they lie and cover up their mistakes. And I'm like, oh, that's not what's going on here. I didn't know any better. Yeah, yeah. But I like this. Maybe more of a toddler even, you know, because it's capable a little more than a baby is. Well, it's capable a lot more. I mean, so are we talking like dog years? Like after one, the baby is seven. Who knows what the AI scale is? But in all seriousness, I do think it's important to understand where we are both ways.

10:46In other words, there's the potential for these things to really, really increase productivity and make us able to do more. They are already able to help us and do a lot of things, but you can get carried away. And here's the other thing about this. Lemkin was doing an experiment to try things like this. He wasn't running his company on it, right? So when it deleted the database, he could laugh and go, well, that was bad versus like, oh, my God, you destroyed my business. because this was an experiment. And I think that's important to take away too, is it's important for people to do experiments like this so that they discover things in this way versus in a more catastrophic way.

11:30100%. Yeah, best to learn that. And you know what? And you learn a lesson like this, it goes a lot further for how you do end up running your business with those tools in the future too. And what you can use those tools for and what you can't. You know, when you're in a really sensitive situation, maybe don't use that. Kind of goes along with that study we talked about last week where it turned out that while the coding tools were faster at the coding, people spent more time coding projects with coding tools because they spent the time. They took the extra time to design the project and create the prompts and all of that.

12:08So, you know, that might still be worth it, but it's more complicated than it looks. where you use these tools varies based on all of this information that we're learning as we use them. Yeah, indeed. 100%. Well, DTNS, we know you listeners are humans. Almost all of you. Big thanks to Pat, Mike Cortez, Erwin Stewart, and we got brand new patrons Jeffrey, Munoz, Peña, Mara, and coming in with an annual subscription off the bat, Brad Percival. Yeah, that's the way you do it. Well done. That's the way humans do it. Episode prep gets messy when research, Slack threads, and script trackers are all in different places.

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15:44There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Yesterday, Rob and I discussed the Microsoft SharePoint zero-day vulnerability on the show. And in fact, we had a deeper conversation about it on DTNS Live. Now, Google and Microsoft are saying that Chinese-backed hacking groups appear to be actively exploiting the vulnerability in the wild and have been doing so as early as July 7th. Microsoft identified three distinct China-linked groups involved in the attacks with various purposes, some doing espionage, as you might imagine they would say, some stealing intellectual property, more corporate espionage.

16:21And there's a third group that possibly is using them for ransomware purposes or would be. Microsoft has issued patches for this vulnerability, but analysts point out that companies need to act as if they have already been compromised. Because if they were going back to July 7th, you don't know if they got into your system or not. So take the actions you would take as if you were compromised to make sure you lock them out. And of course, the government of China denies any involvement. Yeesh, man, all the way back to the 7th. Yeah, imagining that you have been compromised. That's a horrible place to be.

16:56That actually sounds worse than it is, but that is a pretty standard security practice of like, okay, we don't know if someone's in our network, so let's do all the things that would kick them out. But let's assume that they were and respond as if. And if we kick no one out, that's fine. Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Nothing announced the new CMF Watch 3 Pro. It's an entry-level smartwatch that offers improved battery life over the previous model, along with a new AI-powered fitness coaching feature. The watch has dual-band GPS now, so better capabilities around GPS. A four-channel heart rate sensor.

17:37It has 131 sports modes. I think that's an increase of 10 over the last model. ChatGPT also on board, as is a watch face generator that uses AI to create unique faces for you, if that's something you're looking for. The Watch Pro 3 runs$99 and comes in three color options. I actually reviewed the previous one, the 2 Pro, last year, and it was interesting. I mean, this is a$30 price increase. So I felt like my time with the previous one was a little hit and miss in certain places. So I'm very curious to check this out and see if it fixes some of those problems. $99, not bad still, even at a$30 increase.

18:15I mean, even last year's model, it was something like$65. I mean, ridiculously inexpensive for a smartwatch. And it just had some issues with the software that I noticed, a little bit of battery issues here and there. But for what you're paying, everybody that responded to the video that I did on it, they were just like, yeah, but$65. Come on. That's amazing that you get all this for that price. Some people can't buy dinner for that. Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. Google says it has begun reaching out to news organizations to discuss licensing deals for using their content in training its models.

18:56This is part of a pilot program that's expected to include 20 national news outlets. Google is catching up with other companies like Perplexity, OpenAI, Anthropic, which have reached similar licensing deals with publishers. Google has made very few of these deals. The biggest one would be the one they made earlier this year with the Associated Press. Yeah, this is just all the news organizations with the content seeking to find value for their content in this new age of AI and AI browsers right on the horizon and everything. So I think for publishers, this is a really important move for them to gain value.

19:33Also important for the models themselves, because if we want models that actually give us good, high-quality information, then I guess we're going to need deals like this so everybody feels compensated and fair. This is really interesting to watch because there is no government involvement in these deals. A lot of people were saying, you know, we need to pass a law that requires this. And laws and copyright cases are working their way through the courts. But in the meantime, what has happened is the AI companies have realized we need fast, accurate access to the new data as it's published. And it's worth paying companies to get that.

20:13for the training. And we also need fast, accurate, and reliable access to the information to present to a user when we say, here is the story and here is the link to the AP article. And that is also worth paying for. While the publishers have started to realize, oh, there are tools we can use to stop you from indexing our publication if we don't want you to. And Cloudflare has jumped in with like, well, we can provide some extra tools for this. So it's working out slower than maybe people wanted it to, but it's working out that the companies are all realizing it's in everybody's interest to pay the publishers for access to this material.

20:56Yeah, and I'm happy with that. I think that's a good direction. Hopefully, it doesn't mean that smaller players can't compete with the larger players because they can't afford to get in. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there are other ways that smaller players can compete that don't involve playing the SEO game. And I think people forget that, you know. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, it would be good if they're like Cloudflare's practice might help smaller publishers. And also, are these deals going to make up the gap, right? Are publishers going to get enough money from these deals to make up what they would lose from lost traffic?

21:34Yeah, good question. Lucid Air sedans will soon be able to use Tesla's supercharger stations to charge the vehicle. It does require a new adapter to do so. This happens on July 31st. Owners of that luxury EV, the Lucid Air, will have direct access to Tesla's vast network, excellent network of fast chargers. Though the vehicles will be capped to 50 kilowatts, much slower than the 250 kilowatt peak capacity that's actually given to Tesla vehicles. So that's quite a big drop. And actually, the limitation is due to a technical mismatch. Lucid has a 924-volt architecture. Tesla has a 400-volt supercharger architecture.

22:19Regardless, this really opens up the charging options that are available if you happen to own a Lucid Air vehicle. and actually finally delivers on an agreement that was made nearly two years ago. So it's been a long time coming. It's opening up. I'm sure we'll see more of the networks opening up. Slow, slow interoperability. And at least in North America, a win for Tesla to become the maker of the standard for chargers. 100%. Does that mean you can drive your Lucid Air up to the Tesla diner in LA? Did you see that thing? I saw that very briefly. the diner. Now, is that just like a supercharger station that they now have a diner built into it?

23:00But it's also a diner. They serve burgers and fries and stuff. So yeah, you can charge your Lucid Air at the diner and then have yourself a Tesla burger in your Lucid. I don't know. Somehow that seems wrong. No, I mean, my wife has a Tesla. And so we've ended up at a few different superchargers where you you pull up and you look around you're like whoa this isn't just like place where you top off this is like this is meant to entertain you and keep you busy while you're here and so i'm not surprised at all and actually when i saw that news i was like this actually makes a lot of sense tess is pretty smart to do and it's in hollywood it's like right by yeah it's it's on highland in santa monica so it's like right there near the tcl theater and all that stuff yeah right open ai and the uk department of science innovation and technology have signed a statement of intent a statement of intent okay to use open ai's technologies and uk public service efforts the partnership has the potential to bring open ai's tech into health care justice security education the idea is use these tools to automate simple tasks and possibly do some deeper integration of llm and generative models into government services open ai I would get access to some government data for training purposes, potentially, if the intents are carried out.

24:21But we don't have any details because this is a statement of intent. This is not actually a contract or an agreement. Look, all we're saying is this sounds neato. That's basically all they're saying. This sounds like a neato idea, maybe, possibly. I think they mean it. It's one of those things you do when you're like, so we're definitely doing this, right? But we've got all these little details to work out that we're not worried we won't work them out. So let's announce the agreement, even though we don't have all the details. Yeah, I wonder who's driving the let's announce it. Is that OpenAI or is that the government?

24:53Could be both. OpenAI benefits from saying, like, here we are, you know, working well with your government. UK don't hate us. And UK gets to, like, look at us. We're the future, you know. We're not hiding under a rock. We're hip. We're cool. Google is doing what has become basically its standard playbook at this point in the lead up to its new hardware announcement event. It's unveiling the hardware itself on the Google Store. If you go there, you can find a 13 second video of the upcoming Pixel 10 design with a tease of the August 10th unveiling. It just occurred to me, Pixel 10, August 10. They probably did that on purpose.

25:31along with an exclusive offer from the Google store for those who sign up to be notified with more information by email. So kind of, yeah, I'm trying to think if Google's done that in the past. I'm sure they have, but Samsung does this all the time. Google Pixel did this exact thing last year and almost the same timeframe, like a July posting of the video and details for an August announcement. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know Google loves to give you the video or the photo early so that they get ahead of the leaks and everything like that. What I was wondering is the extra kind of incentive, you know, pre-order now and we'll give you this exclusive offer.

26:12It's something that Samsung does a lot and is usually pretty successful at because if you do that with Samsung, you're not committing to anything. But if you do end up buying it, you get a pretty darn good offer that comes along with your purchase. So I wonder what Google's is. And there's a psychological thing that when you do this people feel like they should follow through even though there's no reason that they have to like there's just something in our human makeup that's like well i did say i wanted it so not that not that people don't cancel all the time but it probably gives them an idea of like okay so if we got this many signups we'll probably get 70 of them to sell and now we know how many we're going to sell which is yeah yeah no that is smart and it also kind of it's an action that someone takes to kind of announce if anyone, if anything to themselves that they're interested.

26:57So maybe that kind of implants itself once you put your email in there and you're maybe more likely to actually follow through with it when it happens. Yeah. Do you think Google does this reactively or do they just plan it and they know like, we know the leaks are going to come? I mean, at this point, again, how many years have they been doing this? Like, I have to guess that it's part of their playbook, but maybe they hold onto it. Maybe they're like, you know, maybe one of these days we won't have to do this because we won't see all the leaks. But when we see the leaks, we've got this prepared.

27:26I honestly have no idea, but I just kind of assume that that is part of the playbook. They might be like, well, and in case there aren't any leaks, we can build up some buzz. That's right. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's a bad move. I think it's worked for them so far. So I'm fine with it. A security researcher called Adam X reported a bug to ExpressVPN on April 25th through its bug bounty program, which revealed that traffic submitted over port 3389, which is mostly used by remote desktop protocol, was not properly protected in ExpressVPN's Windows client. An entity on the same network, say an ISP, for example, would have been able to see that you were using ExpressVPN and what servers the user was connecting to over RDP.

28:15And the point of a VPN is to keep them from being able to see what servers you're connecting to. So that was a problem. It was reported through the bug bounty program. Patch was issued on June 18th. Tunnel encryption was never affected. So this was not a problem with ExpressVPN's encryption. ExpressVPN says it was the result of some debug code accidentally remaining in production builds. They've since taken some precautions to make sure that doesn't happen again. But ExpressVPN also noted that they don't have a lot of customers using remote desktop protocol. That's more of an enterprise thing.

28:49And ExpressVPN's customers tend to be consumers, of which I am one. I am not paid. I'm not sponsored by them, but I use ExpressVPN, and I like that. I like them. So good to see that this was reported and they fixed it. Yeah, no, I'm a happy ExpressVPN user, have been for years at this point. Not sponsored by them either. So when it says that the traffic could be – like you mentioned the mobile network is being able to kind of see some of that detail that they couldn't see otherwise. But then also that tunnel encryption was not affected. So the actual content couldn't be discovered, but the connection could.

29:29Is that what I'm understanding? Basically, the connection was happening outside the tunnel. And then the data was being sent through the tunnel, is what I think is happening. So the data itself was protected. So the connection was not being protected from view, but then everything else was going through the tunnel. So the tunnel was fine. It's like you're inside the cone of – you stand outside of the cone of silence and say, I'm about to talk to Jason. And then you step inside and start talking to Jason. I couldn't hear you. You were whispering. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Well, that's that's all the news.

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31:57We end every episode of DT &S with some shared wisdom, and today Matt has some questions for us. Yes, Matt writes, hi, DT &S team. I had a question about how you view Google's handling of Pixel battery issues. In an earlier episode this year, Dr. Nikki voiced concerns about Google hobbling the Pixel 4a battery, And she had some other concerns about the rebate program that he mentioned. Then he writes, in a recent episode, Jason and Huen expressed similar concerns about the Pixel 6a. And once again, I'm confused. Should Google allow batteries that might be unsafe to continue operating at full power?

32:34How could Google have better handled the issue? My household uses two Pixel 6a devices. And while I'm not thrilled about needing to schedule battery replacements, I see this as better than the risk of batteries catching fire. As a bonus, this is better for the environment because aging batteries that require constant recharging is one of the top reasons people get new phones. I'm hoping this will help us keep our Pixel 6a phones for longer. Thanks again for the great show and covering topics that really get people thinking. Matt. Yeah, so let me be clear. If batteries are unsafe, Google is doing the right thing by throttling, by replacing the battery.

33:11I have no problem whatsoever with that. My problem in both the 6A and the 4A situation is that neither time did it feel to me like Google was doing a very good job of educating people as to why they were doing it. I don't even think they really ever truly acknowledged like this is because of like battery failure slash fire risk or whatever. It's like they slipped it in. if memory serves me, the first time they did this, it's like they slipped it into a little FAQ, like, oh, by the way, this is happening. We're replacing the batteries. You're going to get an update and your battery is going to go into half of its capacity.

33:48And if I was a user and that's how I found out about it, I'd be pretty upset. I understand why they're doing it. I just think they could have done a better job of communicating to the consumers so that they understood why they're doing it instead of just being smacked in the face with, oh, your battery now only holds 50 % of its charge. And I don't want to speak for Dr. Nicky or you or when either, but I think a lot of people were mad that the battery was going bad, right? It's not that Google did the wrong thing. They're like, why did this happen in the first place? Like I have other devices that are just this old that aren't at risk.

34:22Why did you use a defective battery? Which is, I'm one of these people, it's like, well, you can't predict everything, but I can see why some people would be like, oh, well, so you sold me a defective product. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't understand how that aspect of the industry works. Did Google really know when they were buying these batteries that this was going to happen a few years later? I'm guessing they probably didn't. Otherwise, they wouldn't have done that. So there's that. I mean, like you said, there's only so much that I feel is possible in estimating what happens down the line.

35:00So I don't really hold Google to count for that. Maybe I should, but I don't really. Some people are like, no, you sold me a product. Even if you didn't know this would happen, you should have done everything to make sure that it didn't happen. So yeah, that's true. Some people just, you know, they have zero tolerance. They're the same people who send their meals back at restaurants. I never do. After eating 90 % of it. Like, hey, I didn't like this. These fries aren't properly cooked. Yeah. What are you thinking about? Got some insight into a story. Share it with us. Please like Matt did. Thank you, Matt, for that email.

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