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11 Mar 2026 · 25m · 12 chapters

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WhatsApp Fights Scams and Opens Pre-teen Accounts - DTNS 5223

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Tom Merritt and Sarah Lane

In this episode, Tom and Sarah discuss significant updates regarding WhatsApp's enhanced anti-scam measures, the introduction of pre-teen accounts, the positive reception of the Samsung Galaxy S26, and Meta's acquisition of Moltbook.

  • New Features:
  • WhatsApp will analyze user behavior to detect potentially fraudulent device linking requests.
  • Meta is expanding anti-scam detection across Facebook and Messenger, including warnings for suspicious friend requests.
  • The company has removed over 159 million scam ads and 10.9 million accounts associated with scam operations in the previous year.
  • Collaboration with Authorities:
  • Meta has partnered with law enforcement agencies, including the Royal Thai Police and the U.S. FBI, to dismantle scam operations.

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Chapters

3:46

WhatsApp's New Anti-Scam Measures

Discussion on WhatsApp's new anti-scam measures and pre-teen accounts.

“They say the signals they look at include having a small number of mutual connections.”
6:04

Challenges and Concerns with New Features

Exploration of the potential issues with the new WhatsApp features for kids.

“specifically, but occasionally on Instagram, when I log in, which is not even that often these days, you know, it'll be like message request, right?”
8:31

Impact of Scams and Vigilance

Discussion on the impact of scams and the importance of vigilance.

“Yeah, it's going to make their day worse if I don't end up giving them a bunch of money or falling for the scam.”
10:29

Samsung Galaxy S26 Reviews

Analysis of the Samsung Galaxy S26 phone and its features.

“We still need to refine all of that sort of thing.”
14:00

Samsung's New Release Review

Learn about the reception of Samsung's latest device and its features.

“And generally, reviewers like the new privacy display feature.”
14:40

Meta's Acquisition of Moldbook

Explore Meta's reasons for acquiring Moldbook and its implications.

“And obviously, when we're talking about a 25 % increase in orders, the proof is in the pudding.”
17:44

TikTok and Apple Music Collaboration

Discover new features from TikTok and Apple Music for enhanced music discovery.

“And so maybe this will prove to be one of the most forward-looking hires is to get people that create that world, that sort of SEO for agents.”
23:24

Tech News Highlights

Stay updated with quick tech headlines ranging from AI to gaming.

“Intel moving into the like more cores for your money area that AMD used to occupy.”
26:59

LLMs and Coding Governance

Discuss the evolving dynamics of LLMs in coding and project governance.

“as the government appears to be testing stricter controls over the internet.”
28:00

The Evolving Governance of AI in Coding

Explore the trend of mandatory reviews for AI-assisted coding and its implications.

“When first released, the companies building the tools touted them as breaking the cycle of traditional software delivery.”
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29:42

Impact of AI Tools on Productivity

Discuss the potential productivity pitfalls of AI tools due to governance issues.

“Most people are just sort of finding out and tinkering with it for the first time.”
30:29

Engaging with Audience Insights

Encourage listeners to share their stories and feedback related to tech news.

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2:22Tom Merritt: this is the daily tech news for wednesday march 11th 2026 we tell you what you need to know we give you some context and we try to help each other understand today whatsapp tightens its

2:33Sarah Lane: anti-scam measures while opening up accounts for pre-teens no one will ever be upset about that part i'm tom merit and i'm sarah lane let's start with what you need to know with that big story

2:47Tom Merritt: so yes uh in fact uh we do have uh to thank rw nash who noted this on our subreddit meta has launched new anti-scam measures on whatsapp facebook and messenger uh whatsapp gets the bulk of them whatsapp will now analyze behavior which i think means they're using a little bit of llm etc uh to warn you if it thinks a device linking request might be fraudulent scammers often will try to fool people into giving them access to their accounts by getting them to share a code or scan a QR code that links their account to a device that is under the control of the scammer, right? So they're like, oh, vote on this talent show.

3:27Just give us your phone number.

3:30Tom Merritt: Then they send a link to the phone number. You click on the link. Now you've accidentally, because you weren't paying close attention, authorized their computer to access your account. You might never even notice it. They would just be reading all of your messages. Meta is also testing warnings when it thinks a friend request on Facebook might be malicious. They say the signals they look at include having a small number of mutual connections. You don't all know the same people, or maybe the profile location doesn't match the region from which the account is being accessed. Anti-scam detection on Messenger is also expanding to more regions, and new systems can now attempt to detect things like celebrity impersonation, brand spoofing, and generally deceptive links.

4:11Tom Merritt: Meta says it removed more than 159 million scam ads and took down more than 10.9 million accounts on Facebook and Instagram linked to criminal scam operations last year. It also announced that it has cooperated with the Royal Thai Police, the U.S. FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice Scam Center Strike Force, and more in dismantling some scam operations. In addition to the anti-scam stuff we also have those new accounts for users younger than 13. Now a parent has to set these up and meta says they made these at the request of parents who wanted to set them up for their kids because their kids were going to use messaging apps and they'd rather they use end-to-end encrypted whatsapp that they have control of so when a parent sets it up it only has access to messaging and calling does it get any other the bells and whistles it does not get ads all the images in the as accounts from unknown contacts are blurred by default.

5:05Tom Merritt: New chat requests and group invites are actually locked behind the parent's pin so the parent can approve or disapprove of them. By default, parents will get alerts when a child adds blocks or reports a contact. And parents can also set up alerts for things like profile changes, any new chat requests, group activities like joining a group or leaving a group, turning on disappearing messages, which you can only do in a group chat on these accounts anyway, or deleting a chat or a contact. WhatsApp, obviously, very popular in Europe and India and a few other places in the world. So this is going to affect a lot of people.

5:44Sarah Lane: All these things are good. I can't really be pessimistic about Meta saying, all right, so let's make some moves to reduce the scammy stuff that's on the variety of networks that we're running, and definitely to keep the younger people safe. We're not talking about Instagram today, specifically, but occasionally on Instagram, when I log in, which is not even that often these days, you know, it'll be like message request, right? And you go over and like, you know, It's somebody that I don't know that's trying to message me. Maybe it's a friend from high school that just finally got on Instagram or something.

6:29Sarah Lane: But it's almost always just like some weird scam, block report. And sometimes it is an explicit thing where it's like, okay, this is not ruining my day, but boy, did I not need to see that block report. If I was under the age of 13, that's a real big problem. And the family of meta apps is not the only place where you can see that stuff unintentionally. But it is important. I always, going back to being sort of a pessimist, I always kind of go like, yeah, but kids get around this stuff. They just find a way to get around this stuff. Maybe the kid has that WhatsApp account that the parents are controlling and then maybe have another account where they're supposedly older than they are.

7:21Sarah Lane: I'm not saying all kids are going to do this. I'm just saying these are good measures. It's a good step forward. And also, there are always workarounds.

7:32Tom Merritt: Yeah. I mean, you don't want to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I am glad that WhatsApp has added these kinds of options for parents because the only option was to sneak around and pretend you're an adult. Right. So now there isn't. So there'll be fewer of children. But I think you're right to say, like, it's not like this solves the problem. To me, that's that's a that's a problem that can't be solved. That'd be trying to solve human nature. Human nature is such that, you know, people are always.

8:01Sarah Lane: Hey, kid, never sneak out of the house again. Yeah, right. Exactly. Okay, I just won't.

8:06Tom Merritt: Yeah, you can do things to try to discourage it or make it harder or less desirable. And that that's what's going on here. I think the scam stuff, like you say, is like, I got no problems with any of that. I guess I would have a problem if it turns out that their signal tracking is faulty. And you know, I'm trying to just message you. And it's like, this could be a scam. And you're like, no, it's not. But it doesn't seem like that will be the case. And people using these kinds of phishing attempts over WhatsApp are rife. I think probably more important to this story is the cooperation to actually shut down rings in Thailand and maybe elsewhere like Cambodia and Burma, where these places operate in rural areas on the fringe and abduct people and force them into operating.

8:53Tom Merritt: It's one of the reasons I don't like to interact with any kind of spam because I know there's probably somebody who's been abducted or tricked into doing it and interacting with them in any way that doesn't actually end up solving the problem. Yeah, it's going to make their day worse if I don't end up giving them a bunch of money or falling for the scam. So good on meta, you know, we don't hear that often enough, but or I don't say often enough like they deserve it more. I'm like, I wish I could say that about them more, but I think this is a good one.

9:24Sarah Lane: And there's some false positive stuff going on with scam alerts. Just yesterday, my landlord has a person who's looking at my AC unit coming by later today, and he had mentioned that they're going to call me. And I said, okay, yeah, sure. And I was on a walk with my dog. My Apple Watch gets an alert. And this wasn't meta-specific, but it was a phone call. And, and it's like, yeah, we don't, we don't think this is a legitimate person.

9:52Tom Merritt: Yeah. Right.

9:52Sarah Lane: And so I was like, yeah, just, you know, shut it down. Um, and they called back a couple of times and I'm like, God, the scammer is really relentless today. It turns out this, this was actually a real person who was trying to get ahold of me and was a very nice person. Um, but I would rather, I would rather be on the side of vigilance than being like, okay, whoever calls me is a real person, you know, who wants to, uh, sell me something legit. Yeah.

10:20Tom Merritt: Although I occasionally get, uh, I iOS telling me I have a priority message and I look and it's just a spam text. So that doesn't work well. We still need to refine all of that sort of thing.

10:32Sarah Lane: Indeed. Uh, well, uh, we make the show with the help of all of you. Thanks to everybody who is listening right now. Special thanks to Chris Zaragoza, Jim Hart and Mike Akins.

10:49Tom Merritt: Hey, this is Adam Grant, host of TED's podcast, Rethinking with Adam Grant. Have you heard of Bill? It's the intelligent finance platform that uses AI to help you avoid costly errors and optimize cash flow. In fact, Bill reports that over 90 of the top 100 US accounting firms trust them to manage, move, and maximize money, proven by over a trillion dollars in secure transactions. Eliminate the friction and start scaling with the proven choice. Visit bill.com slash proven to talk with an expert about automating your business finances and get a$250 gift card as a thank you. That's bill.com slash proven.

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13:50Tom Merritt: There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs.

13:53Sarah Lane: Let's do it. The Samsung Galaxy S26 phone is available now, and Samsung says pre-orders were up almost 25 % across all channels. Reviews are out too. And generally, reviewers like the new privacy display feature. They like the snappier processor. And that extra one to two hours of battery life doesn't hurt either. Nobody likes the$100 price increase, because why would they? Or the lack of Qi2 magnets. But overall, reviews seem to be positive.

14:23Tom Merritt: Yeah, I think there's mixed reviews on the cameras. I think it kind of depends on how much of a camera person the reviewer is. The cameras are decent and they are improved, but some people don't think they've been improved enough. I still think they're kind of mad. But overall, yeah, I think this is a good release for Samsung. And obviously, when we're talking about a 25 % increase in orders, the proof is in the pudding. If more people want to buy it, that means that Samsung wins, no matter what the reviewers think of it. Mm-hmm. We mentioned on the show yesterday that Meta had bought Moldbook, the social network for agentic bots, to post responses to each other.

15:01Tom Merritt: And several folks have come out with their analyses of why Meta would spend money on what most assumed was a vibe-coded stunt. Meta itself only said it would offer, quote, new ways for AI agents to work with people in businesses. Now, the conventional wisdom is that this is an acqui-hire. Meta doesn't want Moldbook itself. it wants the talent that made it. Even if it was vibe-coded, Meta wants the brains that like to play with agentic systems and come up with interesting new ways to use them. TechCrunch's Sarah Perez suspects Meta might want to build an agent graft. So like they have the friend graft, the friend graft will map your connections to help sell ads better to you.

15:43Tom Merritt: An agent map would map out what agents are out there to help them cooperate better and then achieve what you him to do. Meta might see a way to make it better at convincing agents to let their agent make a purchase. You know, Sarah Perez even kind of put it out as sort of advertising to agents. Another theory is that since OpenAI got Peter Steinberger, the maker of OpenClaw, Meta wanted the next best talent in that whole OpenClaw universe. So Matt Schlicht, the chief executive officer of AI shopping startup Octane AI is the guy that made MaltBot. And so maybe they just want those smarts.

16:23Sarah Lane: The MaltBot thing, MaltBook thing is, it's a real head scratcher. You know, it got a lot of interest early on and a lot of FUD, you know, people saying, oh, it's the beginning of the end. And then a lot of people saying, wait a second, this is a stunt. This is, you know, this is a bunch of people just, you know, adding stuff in there to make it seem like AI agents are in a social network with each other. And I think there's probably a little bit of all of that going on. And yeah, for Meta to say, we don't want that. It's not, it's not going to be like the next tab on Facebook, you know, where you're like, well, let's go over to Maltbook and see what the agents are doing.

17:05Sarah Lane: But if somebody's clever, that's a good acquihire, potentially.

17:12Tom Merritt: Yeah. And you get Ben Parr, too. I mentioned Matt Schlick, but Ben Parr also worked on this with Schlick. So you're getting both those mines in there. And yes, it is a little bit of a roll of the die of like, hey, guys, what else you got? We can't necessarily make use of Moldbook itself, but let's see what else comes out of those crazy mines.

17:34Sarah Lane: You have fun ideas. Let's play in the sandbox a bit.

17:37Tom Merritt: We want to make sure that our agents are operating most effectively. And this indicates that there's going to be a whole SEO-like industry about optimizing agents to work with other agents. And so maybe this will prove to be one of the most forward-looking hires is to get people that create that world, that sort of SEO for agents.

17:59Sarah Lane: until an agent can clean my cat's litter box i remain unimpressed you just need to use open claw to run your robo rock sarah obviously obviously i know no we're not going to the cat litter box with the robo rock not yet anyway not yet anyway although the robo rock is doing really well otherwise okay all right uh tiktok and apple music have partnered to let apple music subscribers, I am one of those, play full songs if I'm browsing TikTok. You can also save songs to your music and then add them directly to Apple Music playlists. So it's basically a discovery tool within TikTok. TikTok will also launch a listening party feature that lets you listen to songs from a specific artist and chat with other fans.

18:45Sarah Lane: And the features are both rolling out worldwide in the coming weeks. In related news, Spotify announced that 13 ,800 artists made at least$100 ,000 on Spotify last year. That's up 1 ,400 over 2024. So it's not less, it's more. It paid out more than$11 billion in total.

19:05Tom Merritt: Yeah, Spotify makes all the money here. So Apple Music needs to do something to catch up. And partnering with TikTok is a good one. You're going to want to listen to a full song or maybe go to a listening party for your favorite artist. I think that's one of the biggest attractive features for Apple Music here. And then you're going to be like, oh, I don't have an Apple Music subscription. I can't do the listening party. Maybe I should get one, you know, and they're going to pick up some subscribers because of that.

19:31Sarah Lane: You know, I don't hang out on TikTok enough for this to make sense to me. I do subscribe to Apple music I have for years. And I often will hear a song on TikTok where I'm like, oh, what is that? Or I like that. And it's a truncated version of a song, right? Because the TikTok video is 30 seconds long or 45. I guess this makes sense. This would probably be a once in a while thing that I would use. But for other folks who are on TikTok a lot more, it probably is more of a a powerful tool.

20:06Tom Merritt: I feel like the add to your music or add to playlist feature is kind of the attractive part of that. I see that viral song once again. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to add that to my recent songs playlist or whatever. Or I just want to heart it on Apple Music and you can do that. I mean, I do that with Shazam, which is owned by Apple, where you like Shazam a song. You're like, oh yeah, I like that song. Let me add it to Apple Music. So I actually, I Shazammed something the other night.

20:37Sarah Lane: I was at a pub with a friend and it was like a, I don't know, some 80s song. And I just was like, oh, who's this? I know the song. And I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, wait a second. Shazam is still a thing that helps me figure it out, which it did.

20:56Tom Merritt: Yeah, I use it a lot, actually. I use it a lot on TV shows where I hear a song in the background on a TV show. I'm like, what is that? What is that song? So I did that just last night, as a matter of fact.

21:10Sarah Lane: Well, we like to review all sorts of things on the show. If you want reviews of products from people who use them in their actual lives day to day for a long enough period of time where they feel like they can give you some really good advice on whether it's right for you or not, come join us for Live With It. Every Wednesday, we talk about tech that either I or one of our guests actually use day to day. Tom mentioned the RoboRock, one of my favorite things in my household now. I will be running it as soon as we're done with the show, but I didn't want it to be loud while we were doing it. This week, Scott Johnson shared his experience using T-Mobile 5G for his home internet and had some very interesting results.

21:53Sarah Lane: So join us for Live With It wherever you get your podcasts. You can also watch it at youtube.com slash daily tech news show. And let us know if you think you've got a good idea for what we should live with next.

22:30Tom Merritt: friction and start scaling with the proven choice. Visit bill.com slash proven to talk with an expert about automating your business finances and get a$250 gift card as a thank you. That's bill.com slash proven. Terms and conditions apply. See offer page for details. There's one place for the newest drops in wellness and performance and the biggest sale of the year. It's the drop by GNC, curating the best of what's new, handpicked by the pros who know what works. And right now, Get it all, buy one, get one 50 % off during the semi-annual LiveWell sale. From crushing workouts to leveling up your nutrition and everything in between, get the best deals on the latest innovations.

23:09Tom Merritt: All the newness is all on sale right now during the LiveWell sale on The Drop by GNC.

23:18Tom Merritt: Let's get to the quick headlines that are going to make you the smartest person in the room.

23:24Sarah Lane: anthropic will open a public policy office in washington dc this spring called anthropic institute led by co-founder jack clark intel that's not the jack clark who played for the

23:36Tom Merritt: st louis cardinals i'm guessing it's probably a different check anyway intel announced a uh refreshed core ultra 200s plus lineup these are four skews in the aero lake lineup uh with 24 cores for less than$300, 19 cores for less than$200, and a faster memory controller by up to 900 megahertz. Intel moving into the like more cores for your money area that AMD used to occupy. The four new SKUs also include the Intel Binary Optimization Tool, or iBot, which Intel says can improve native performance in select games. We'll see.

24:11Sarah Lane: meta announced plans for four new in-house chips called the mtia 300 400 450 and 500 which will be deployed in its data centers by the end of 2027 we mentioned yesterday that a lot of

24:28Tom Merritt: folks in china were very excited about installing open claw and as that is happening in regional governments the central government has started to forbid employees at government agencies and some of the largest state-owned banks from installing OpenClaw on their office devices. Big shocker there.

24:44Sarah Lane: Nintendo announced that physical copies of Pokemon Pocopia sold out at several major US retailers. It's a hit, guys, causing a boost to Nintendo's stock price.

24:55Tom Merritt: Google closed its acquisition of Israeli security firm Wiz, W-I-Z, which will maintain its brand and maintain its customers, but become part of Google Cloud, or it is now part of Google Cloud.

25:09Sarah Lane: Uber reached a deal with Amazon's autonomous car company, Zooks, to let people hail Zooks rides through the Uber app, starting in Las Vegas later this year with some rollout intentions in other U.S. cities.

25:21Tom Merritt: Yeah, Rob Amos and I tried to hail a Zooks at one point, and it just wasn't going to come. So I think they could use a little help.

25:28Sarah Lane: I see them. They're doing testing in L.A. because I see them around. I never see anybody in one. So, you know, testing phase, but LA watch out.

25:38Tom Merritt: Zoox is coming. Uh, thanks to Motang for noting this next one in our subreddit Moffitt Nathanson estimating that YouTube had$62 billion in revenue in 2025, which would put it ahead of Walt Disney's media division, not the experiences, not the parks, but the media division of Walt Disney, which had$60.9 billion. And that makes YouTube the world's largest media company by revenue.

26:05Sarah Lane: Amazon is expanding access to its ShopDirect feature in the US, which lets an agent access third-party product feeds for items available off of Amazon and then buy them for you.

26:17Tom Merritt: Wall Street Journal has a good read about a study from a productivity tracking company called ActiveTrack, which found that the time freed up by users of LLMs was real. They actually did save time, made them more efficient, but was immediately used to do other work, roughly doubling the time they spent on HR or accounting software, email, messaging, and work chat. So we don't use that time to relax.

26:41Sarah Lane: We simply can't stop working.

26:42Tom Merritt: Yeah, exactly.

26:44Sarah Lane: Photonic startup Light Matter says its near-package optics engine can cut the amount of fiber used in a data center in half without risking damage to the chips by co-packaging. If they're right, that means cheaper data centers.

26:58Tom Merritt: And mobile internet has been spotty in Moscow lately, as the government appears to be testing stricter controls over the internet. One of the indications of that is government websites remain available even during the outages.

27:12Sarah Lane: Well, we like to end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. And today, Andrew suspects we may be entering a new stage of using LLMs to help coders.

27:23Tom Merritt: Yeah, thank you again, Andrew, for always giving us good coding information. Andrew writes, yesterday I read a Substack article from a few days ago about how AI has made code reviews irresponsible. After hearing Amazon's news about requiring senior developer code review for AI assisted code changes, I found the juxtaposition interesting. I've never been a fan of mandated reviews, especially those conducted by a small subset of people, as they cause more problems than they solve. But I'm also not fully brought into the article's point about barring humans from the code base entirely. I see Amazon's move more as a signpost along the way for AI-assisted coding adoption.

28:03Tom Merritt: When first released, the companies building the tools touted them as breaking the cycle of traditional software delivery. And now, one large company is instituting mandatory human review of AI-assisted code. In the 2010s, companies that experienced massive cloud cost spikes sometimes overcorrected with heavy-handed governance that required sign-off for every cloud change, negating the cloud's ease of use. Source, I worked for one. Eventually, automated alarms and cost monitoring mechanisms prevailed. I think we might be starting the heavy-handed governance phase of AI now.

28:41Sarah Lane: Oh, you think so, Andrew?

28:42Tom Merritt: Yeah, no, I think he's absolutely right. This is the part where we go from like, hey, everybody use those tools, which is definitely happening, to like, hold on, use those tools, but then let's cash in all the efficiency you get from using them by making everyone double-check your work. And then eventually they'll figure out a balance in between, but that'll take a couple of years.

29:04Sarah Lane: Yeah, yeah. It's definitely for somebody who is in the position to be double checking AI work, you have to. You really do. Unless you want to be wrong sometimes. So if being right 100 % of the time is of utmost importance, I think that this makes a lot of sense. And yes, at some point, there are going to be tools that just we believe them.

29:33Tom Merritt: Yeah, they get good enough that you can rely on them.

29:36Sarah Lane: Yeah, they're not going to hallucinate. All that stuff is those early days. But yeah, that government's phase part of it is, it's a lot of people saying, some people are really good at this. Most people are just sort of finding out and tinkering with it for the first time. And that creates all sorts of problems.

29:57Tom Merritt: And we're going to see stories about how these tools are not leading to the productivity increases forecast because of this kind of reaction, where people like Amazon say, we're going to have to do code reviews if you do AI -assisted coding, which is going to slow everything down. So look for that story within the next year or two.

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