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2:36this is the daily tech news for tuesday april 21st 2026 we tell you what you need to know give you the important context and help each other understand yeah this is one of those days that that is uh one of those stories that you talk about when you're planning tech news like you know and then there'll be a day when there's a big story like apple getting a new ceo uh yeah apple getting a new boss in September. So we're going to talk about what you can expect from Mr. John Ternus. Yes, indeed. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. We're going to start with what you need to know with the really big story.

3:13I think it qualifies really big. Yeah, just big, but like super big. Yeah. Apple did announce, I'm sure you know, unless you were living under a rock in the tech news world, you know that Apple announced midday Monday that Tim Cook is going to step down as CEO of the company on September 1st. Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering John Ternus is going to take over as CEO and join Apple's board in the process. Cook is going to become Executive Chairman and current non-executive Chairman Arthur Levinson will become Apple's lead independent director. Then you've got senior vice president of hardware technologies, Johnny Surugi, who will become chief hardware officer.

3:58He's going to be overseeing a newly organized department that combines hardware divisions back into one unit, similar to how it was under Bob Mansfield before he resigned in 2012. The units are going to be hardware engineering, silicon, advanced technologies, platform architecture, and project management divisions. Yeah. So this is a hardware forward organization that is happening during the transition. And then of course, a hardware engineer taking over as a CEO. Lots of opinions out there about what this means and where it's going. Let's start with who Ternus is. If you don't know him, he graduated from Penn with a mechanical engineering degree in 1997.

4:45So he is an engineer. He was on the swim team. Did you know that, Jason? I don't know how much that matters, but it's interesting. Well, I mean, my daughter's on the swim team, so hey, we've got something in common. Your daughter will become Apple CEO someday. It's inevitable. Someday. Ternus also developed a mechanical feeding arm, which was able to be operated by individuals with quadriplegia using their head movements. That was his senior project at Penn. So he's been developing things himself. Worked at virtual research systems first before joining Apple in 2001, became VP of hardware engineering in 2013 under Tim Cook, has supervised teams behind the iPhone, the iPad, the Mac, the Apple Watch, AirPods, Vision Pro, and most recently the iPhone Air and the MacBook Neo.

5:30Now, Sruji is often credited with spearheading the switch to Apple Silicon, but Ternus guided that team. So depending on who you look at, they're going to credit one or the other of those, but they were both involved in what has been an incredibly successful project for Apple with the M series processors. Ternus recently told Tom's guide, we never think about shipping a technology. We always think about how we can leverage technology to ship amazing products. That's the kind of thing you would imagine Steve Jobs saying, maybe with a little more panache, but it's the same philosophy, right? During a 2024 commencement addressed at Penn, according to Reuters, Ternus said he found himself arguing with a supplier over the grooves on a screw that go on the back of a monitor.

6:18The screw would rarely be seen by customers, but Turnus had noticed it had 35 grooves instead of the 25 that Apple specified. And he said, if you're going to spend that much time on something, you should put in your very best effort. I almost feel like this is intentionally calling that Steve Jobs story from the biography where he talked about his dad teaching him to paint the back of the cabinet, even though nobody would see it. It's the 25 to 35 groove story is Ternus's version of that. And Reuters and Bloomberg and pretty much everybody I read said multiple times that people at Apple love Ternus.

6:54That I don't know if that's true, but that seems to be the message that reporters are getting. So the question now becomes, what is Tim Cook going to do? He's not quitting. You'd be forgiven for thinking like, oh, OK, in September, that's it. Tim Cook rides off into the sunset. He will remain as executive chairman. So what Jason said earlier, I think is important to note, they have a chairman of the board right now that you probably didn't even know existed. And Tim Cook will become that. He will become the chairman and he will be an executive chairman, which means that he will have a little more input into the company.

7:30Apple's line about this was that Cook will assist with certain aspects of the company, including engaging with policymakers around the world. Jason, I'm guessing this means he will continue to meet with presidents, go to China and handle all of that stuff that maybe Ternus is not as used to doing and leave running the company to Ternus. And a lot of people, I don't know about what you've read looking around at this, but a lot of people I read seem to think that Ternus will be more decisive, whereas Cook was very consensus building. Ternus is the kind of guy who's a little more in that Steve Jobs mold, as we said, where he'll say, like, we're going to do this.

8:08Yeah, and maybe more focused on the hardware and in this moment of, you know, AI becoming so engulfing in the technology world at large. Maybe it's good to have someone leading the company that can really focus on these things, especially at a moment in the last year or two, whether right or wrong, definitely a large part of the AI slash Apple story has been, oh, Apple dropped the ball. You know, they didn't quite do they didn't quite stick the landing when they said they were going to do all these things with AI. And then they ended up kind of reversing course. And we're still kind of waiting to see, like, what does that mean for what Apple does next?

8:44And of course, we're going to hear some of what that is at WWDC and upcoming. But with Ternus now stepping into the role, maybe it's good to have someone in that that lead position that can really focus on this major pivot that's happening in the technology industry to ensure that the ship goes in the right direction to keep Apple leading and Apple ahead. And then, you know, Cook has proven right. He's he's very involved outside of just his role as CEO in being, you know, going to the White House and doing the traveling and being in the being in the places to have the bigger discussions that it sounds like his new role will still keep him in that position.

9:22Maybe turn his ends up there at some point. But right now, you know, it's probably a good thing to have that person, that leader focused on this moment because this moment's big. Yeah, I don't expect we'll see Tim Cook on stage doing announcements after he leaves in September. He'll probably be there at WWDC to say one last, you know, hey, thanks, everybody. One more thing. He's still CEO. One more thing. It's me. I'm leaving. One more. Uh, he's still CEO until September, of course. Uh, but this will be a nice chance at WWDC in June to, to kind of hand the baton, uh, to turn us. So I expect to see that.

9:55Uh, I think he will continue, like you say, uh, to be involved in the company in that respect. I wonder, I assume they know that turn us is not going to chafe under that. Some people would. Uh, and so, you know, he, the fact that Tim Cook isn't leaving, you know, means that it could be a good thing for Ternus to say, oh, I can consult with that person whenever I need to. It could be a bad thing of like, hey, I'm running the company now. Tim, stay out of it. I don't get the sense that Tim Cook is that kind of person, though. Yeah. I do want to turn from Ternus away from that part of the conversation.

10:31Just to put a little bit of a spotlight, a little bit more of a spotlight on Cook and what an incredible CEO he's been for this company, right? $350 billion to$4 trillion dollars in market cap during his tenure there you know it's pretty good you know not not bad 350 is bigger than four focus on the million to trillion not the billion billion billion but yeah yeah yeah no i mean possibly one of the most effective ceo transitions right when when steve jobs was the the lead of apple and then of course he passed away and then you know the successor comes tim cook i mean we talked about it then right we were podcasting you and i were doing tech news today on august 24th 2011 when this happened yeah yeah right and and obviously the question at that point was how could you even top what steve jobs has done with this company and i mean say what you will about tim cook obviously clearly he ran the company different you know made different choices and decisions than maybe steve jobs would have in that position but he's done a hell of a job on this company.

11:37And now, you know, that spotlight now transitions to turn us. I think the really interesting thing there is what you said earlier. This is a hardware guy. And in this moment, you know, what does that mean for Apple if suddenly a hardware slash engineering mind comes into that role? How does that paint the future, the near term and potentially the long term as well, obviously, but yeah, I know the the worry when Cook took over was it's the supply chain guy? Are they going to be as innovative? And that has continued to be the critique of Cook, which is they haven't had a big hit. The Apple Watch is kind of it.

12:15The AirPods are kind of it. And guess who was in charge of departments over those? It was John Ternus. So I think what Cook has done is often underestimated. He took over from Steve freaking Jobs, and he not only kept the company going, he grew it, like you said, in revenue. And now it's time for them to innovate again. They have a nice, solid, secure base to work from. And I think that's what people will expect from John Ternus is we want to see new bold moves. We want to see innovative moves. I think oftentimes that the critique of Apple failing right now is exaggerated. Yeah, they haven't done what OpenAI has done.

13:05They haven't done what Google has done in the world of large language models. And maybe that's bad. Everybody's assumption is, well, now they're behind and they will stay behind and they'll be dependent on Google. And that's not good. I wonder, though, if Ternus looks at it and says, yeah, but these products, we don't know what they're good for yet. And to his point, we ship products, not technologies. So it would be a mistake for Apple to just ship an LLM, which is almost what they were about to do with Siri. and I think Ternus is going to say, no, we use what technologies we have access to and we create products with them.

13:43And I think that's what Apple has been kind of on the verge of doing, but sort of pressured into like, yeah, but you should ship an AI just because. That's what everybody else is doing, yeah. I think if done right, and that's a big if, if done right, Apple can come out of this looking better than others where it's like, yeah, you got all this stuff on Android. some of it's great some of it's not uh some of it is not what you wanted it's just stuff they decided that you might like whereas apple has always given you features that are useful uh that's not where they are with siri right now so that's why i say it's a big if but they could come out of this well if that if they're able to pull that off and then turnus looks like a genius and Cook no longer looks like the guy who almost killed Apple because he didn't do AI properly.

14:37So I feel like that's the direction Apple is going to be going. Now, whether they achieve that or not is a big question, of course. But when people say, oh, but they're going to be reliant on others, I'm like, that can go either way, right? They were reliant on Intel and before that on other chip makers until they developed Apple Silicon. So they are also reliant on Google still for search. They were reliant on Google Maps until they weren't with Maps. I'm not saying which way large language models are going to go, but it's not impossible for Apple to succeed while using someone else's technology.

15:15Completely agree. Completely agree. It could end up being the truth is we're in the middle of the story right now. And you get a couple of years out down the line, then things become really clear, especially as much as things are changing in the world of LLMs and AI and everything right now. It could be the smartest thing that Apple did, whether it was intentional or whether or not. And the good news for Ternus, if things go really well there is, hey, he's just had his first big kind of success out of the gate to be like, OK, this guy knows what he's doing. But the only time is going to tell on that because we are, as I said, in the middle of that story.

15:53I think it's tempting to go. It's a hardware guy. So they're just going to be the hardware company again. Screw services. They're not going to do that anymore. And I think that is a lazy kind of analysis. I think the reason they're putting John Ternus in this position is because he can execute things. The fact that he's a hardware guy is a huge plus, but it sounds to me more like he's decisive. He makes bold jumps. And if he's running the company, the whole company can make bigger jumps. and we'll find out if, you know, maybe the Apple Vision Pro would have succeeded better if everybody had listened to John instead of coming to a consensus.

16:30Or if it's like, man, no, he doesn't always have a hint. But I think we're about to see his leadership talents more than his hardware talents. I think Tsuruji is the one who's going to be giving us the hardware talent. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to see what the next chapter holds. And again, like you said, cook isn't going anywhere in the near near near term it's still a few months away but yeah and even after september he's going to be kicking around out there you're going to see him you know popping up meeting with world leaders and policy makers and i'll be curious what he does actually that's a really good point like will he take on more philanthropic efforts on behalf of apple like yeah it's going to be interesting uh well we are able to have these conversations because of you.

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21:00All right, there's plenty more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Yeah, big thanks to R.W. Nash on the subreddit. Always posting good stuff over there. Posted this one about WhatsApp. which is now confirmed to be testing a paid subscription option called WhatsApp Plus in a couple of regions, including Europe. The paid tier being tested is pretty much just cosmetic upgrades. You're going to get, if you pay, 18 custom chat themes, 10 exclusive ringtones, 14 app icons you can pick from, animated sticker packs. You can pin chats for three for free users to 20. So you can do pins of three right now.

21:42If you pay, you get 20. Does not appear to remove the ads, though. That's not part of this. They started running ads in the status feature last year. Those are sticking around according to the things people have seen. Meta is not yet sharing pricing. They have confirmed that they're testing this, but WA Beta Info reports that the plan might run around€2.49 per month in Europe and 229 Pakistani rupees, which is about 82 cents in Pakistan. And I mean, this is not the only thing of this nature. Meta last month launched the Instagram Plus feature, which is, you know, by comparison, actually much more functional than cosmetic, right?

22:22you get a bunch of features that are that are tied into the use of the actual app like anonymous story viewing unlimited close friends list rewatch count analytics like extra analytics and stuff versus here you get just like a lot of those cosmetic upgrades i don't know when i was when i was kind of reading about this like okay themes and ringtones and icons i don't know that i would personally want to spend that's always that's always the criticism of these kinds of things right yeah it's like well who would pay for that it's like I don't know that's what they're gonna find out that's absolutely you pay for these sorts of things in certain situations so yeah yeah and neither of these announced for the US anyway so at least here in the US you know maybe it comes somewhere down the line but it's it's not applicable well that that that perked my ears up because I know that whatsapp is running into a lot of more regulatory pressure in the EU is a paid whatsapp somehow going to give them a way to deal with that you know like interoperability uh stuff uh eventually i don't know i don't have a good idea of how it could play in but it makes me wonder like oh is the paid tier going to give them leeway to deal with regulatory things that they have to do in a way that lets them continue to make money in another way why would the ads stay like that's an interesting choice like so 250.

23:42When you are running an ad supported venture, it is always harder to replace revenue with a subscription than the ads. And the reason for that is ad revenue is fluctuating. You can charge more at certain times. You can charge more to certain advertisers. So when you lock in a subscription and say like, let's just say the 250 a month, right? That's what we're talking about. You are saying we will never make more than 250 a month off that user until we raise the price. And whenever you raise the price, people get upset. Whereas with advertising, you can raise the price anytime you want and the user doesn't care because you're just raising the ad rate.

24:21You're raising the CPI and you can make more money on certain months when you get more ad load than you do on other months. So it's always hard to price a subscription in a way that is as dynamic as the ad revenue that would be my guess as to why they didn't do that yeah on the flip side though as a user that's always weird that's always a weird one to come up against hey wait a minute i'm paying for the thing why am i seeing that shouldn't those be gone so yeah i think what meta is trying to pitch is like no you're paying for sticker packs right you're not paying to get rid of don't forget those yeah yeah amazon is investing up to 25 billion dollars more into anthropic on top of $8 billion that it's already invested in the company.

25:02Anthropic will in turn commit to spending more than$100 billion on Amazon Web Services, AWS, over the course of the next decade. So very long horizon there, including Amazon's Tranium custom AI chips as part of that and secured up to five gigawatts of compute capacity for training and running its Claude model. So big deal, expanded relationship between Amazon and Claude, definitely fueling the, you know, fanning the flames of some critics who are talking about circular investing in the AI world. It's kind of like, yeah, we'll invest in you. And now you're buying our services with all that money.

25:41You know, there's a little bit of that going on here, but Anthropix seen such a huge uptick in its services. And I know that they've been, you know, they've commented and complained recently, maybe not complain complain is probably the wrong word but just about the ray the rising um uh just use of their services and their infrastructure trying to keep up are you saying they don't have enough compute they don't have enough capacity and they need more yeah exactly i mean there's just a lot a lot of attention from enterprise from coders but also regular users i'm encountering so many just regular not in my tech circle people asking me about claude right now like yeah it's Because of the Pentagon fight.

26:23That made the mainstream news. And suddenly everybody decided they either loved or hated Anthropic based on the political news that is around them. The news around that today, by the way, is the president of the United States saying, I think we can work something out. Now, the president says things that doesn't mean they'll happen. So we'll see. But it is looking with that and the fact that they had some good things come out of a meeting over the weekend, like Anthropic has a chance of resolving their dispute with the government, which would be very good for its revenue, which would be very good for the confidence investors have in it in advance of an anthropic IPO at some point.

27:00And Amazon sinking 25 billion on top of the 8 billion already is another big vote of confidence. Indeed. Yeah. Huge. Yeah. Cool stuff. Oh, sorry. I gave myself this one too. I didn't mean to do that, Tom. Sorry. You're not going to read this because apparently my name's on it. Samsung SmartThings and IKEA announced today that 25 new IKEA Matter over Thread home devices now connect directly to SmartThings hubs via Matter. And so that essentially means that they're not going to rely on the IKEA, is it Dirigeria hub as an intermediary. It's going to be tapping into the SmartThings kind of ecosystem that you might already have in your home.

27:46That lineup includes a scroll wheel, remote, smart bulbs, smart plugs, temperature and humidity sensors, air quality sensors, motion sensors, door sensors, and water leak sensors. Like I said, 25 new devices here that can do this. Every Samsung smart TV from 2022 onward contains a thread border router because of smart things. So that basically means that those households that have those TVs already have the network backbone for these new devices from Ikea without the need to buy anything extra. And that's just making it easier for people to get their foot in the door on investing into smart home devices, especially when you consider like Ikea bulbs, the Cashplots bulbs.

28:32Again, I hope I'm pronouncing that right. $5.99 here in the U.S. compared to, you know, Hue Essential Bulbs, which is their lowest cost bulbs,$15. That would require a hub as well. So it really lowers the barrier for entry here through IKEA. Yeah. And in the long term, this is a great move by IKEA because they become the affordable way to get smart home devices no matter what. It's just that Samsung was the first platform to adopt Thread 1.4. And Samsung has partnered with IKEA to make it easy in the SmartThings app to look at IKEA stuff and set it up. So it's going to be clear to people when they buy that$6 bulb, how they were able to set it up on SmartThings.

29:19But the truth behind all this is that Thread is just your networking, your mesh networking for Matter, which is your compatibility, and Google and Apple and Amazon devices are all going to work with IKEA stuff as well. And this is us finally nearing the point where you don't have to think about whether you've got Zigbee or Z-Wave or any of that stuff. You can just buy a smart bulb to turn it on and whatever platform you're using, whether it's SmartThings or HomeKit or Google Home, you will be able to manage it that way. It's just that Samsung is a little bit ahead on the compatibility implementation and, you know, partnering with Ikea so that people are like, oh, I guess I'll use, I have a Samsung TV.

30:05I guess I already can do this and makes it easy out of the gate. Eventually this is going to be easy for everybody though. I mean, probably so many people have a Samsung TV in their living room. They never bought the TV with any sort of inclination of smart home in the mind, right? It was just like, oh, there's a, I've heard Samsung TVs are great and there it is. And now with stuff like this, with these kinds of relationships, it's like, oh, wait a minute, that TV that I bought for a completely different reason could potentially power, you know, drive the, uh, the smarts of, of my home for, for not that much money either.

30:41Like, I think that's a, that's a huge part of it, right? Ikea is a strong brand from that. Oh, that that's a huge part of it. Yeah. You're absolutely right. And I think it's one of those things where you're at Ikea, you're talking to somebody, you're like, well, what do I have to do to get the Ikea stuff? And in the past, it was buy the hub. Now it's like own a Samsung TV, you know? And in a year or so from now, they're going to be like, do you have an Apple TV or a Google smart speaker? Or, you know, like there's going to be so many things like you probably will have something in your house if you are someone who's into technology, even in the smallest way that we'll be able to, to be a thread border router, to be able to manage all this stuff.

31:23So yeah, it's nice to see matter not, they're not over the hump, but this is like, Oh, I think I see the top of the hump. Yeah. Yeah. This is clarifying the picture. Yeah. No pun intended. In fact, I'm going to talk to Richard Gunther about this. So for folks who are like, you know, I want to know more about thread and matter and all that. I'm going to talk to Richard and we'll put that in the weekend episode, trying to explain to everybody like this is what all that stuff means. Cool. Well, if you would like to put a question to Richard ahead of that, or perhaps you just want to ask me about something.

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34:12So this is a common thing that people are talking about doing. And it sounds like the House of Lords has added that amendment and it will make existing guidance on mobile phone bans in schools statutory in schools in England. It's the government of the UK, but it It sounds like it only applies to schools in England. Right, right. That's it. Interesting. Linux 7.1 adds a new in-kernel NTFS read-write driver. It actually replaces Paragon's NTFS 3 code. And so they say that's going to run slightly faster, but it also delivers broader test coverage. And it's just better all around. It's just better.

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35:32It's been in testing for more than a year and a half at this point. Yeah, so wider availability, basically. Jeff Bezos' Project Prometheus, which is a lab that is working to build foundational models for real-world industries. So in other words, these are world models, is reportedly nearing a$10 billion funding round. This, according to sources, talking to the Financial Times. Sennheiser's new HD 480 Pro headphones look snazzy. I wouldn't mind picking them up. Our closed back versions of the or a closed back version rather of the open back HD 490 Pro model. It's aimed at audio professionals who need isolation for recording, mixing and monitoring.

36:14They ship with a nine foot coiled cable. They're going to set you back$479. Yeah, they sounded great until that last bit. But Sennheiser is never cheap. Volkswagen announced at Beijing's Auto China show that it will deploy onboard agents built with chipmaker Horizon Robotics. That's right. VW using Chinese models in their vehicles in China. So in China market vehicles will be capable of handling full task chains like finding a restaurant, booking a reservation, navigating you there in the car and even arranging for parking autonomously. Oh, just do it all for me. Thank you, car. Oh, sounds interesting.

36:54This sounds interesting. Pasta sauce and dinnertime surveillance. It never tasted so good. Pasta sauce maker Prego just launched a$20 puck shaped recording device called the Connection Keeper in a partnership with StoryCorps, the nonprofit StoryCorps, meant for recording dinnertime table conversations that can then be shared to the encrypted StoryCorps cloud portal. and i don't know beyond that but i don't think they're making a lot of these but it caught my attention there it's in there could be the title if apple wasn't such a big story that would be the easy the easy analysis is like why would i want this who's going to use this to record conversations without telling me but what does prego think who the target market for this is like is that people who are like oh we always have such sparkling dinnertime conversation i want to I want to take notes on it.

37:49It's almost like a meeting kind of thing. That's kind of how they're framing it. It's like so much rich conversation and history is told at the table. Rich, delicious, chunky conversation. Weird. And here's one that you didn't expect in this world of constant price rises. Microsoft has lowered the price of Game Pass Ultimate from$30 to$23 a month and the price of PC Game Pass from$16.50 to$14 a month. Yeah, that new Xbox head, she's just kissing up to you with a price discount. However, there is a catch. Call of Duty titles no longer day one. Call of Duty titles will not show up on Game Pass Ultimate until the first holiday season after launch.

38:32So maybe even up to a year in some cases. There's some rumors they're going to launch a tier that will have Call of Duty day one and that one will be more expensive, but they're doing the price reduction first. They give a little, they take a little. Yeah. It seems to be. All right. We end every episode of DTNS with your thoughts and some shared wisdom. And today, Komei sent us an article about scientists at the University of Chicago Human Computer Integration Lab who developed a suit with electrodes, smart glasses, and with a camera, a motion tracking layer. And that connects to a multimodal model, which processes both vision and language similar to GPT 4.1.

39:15The suit sends pulses to move muscles to assist people in completing a task. And then there's a safety filter monitor that monitors the model to make sure it's not sending signals that would be physically impossible. Yeah. So Kome writes, we talked about skill download in the sci-fi tech tournament, which was beaten by faster than light engines, 90 to 10. I think this is the closest you can get right now. It is very cool. AI can control muscles with reasonable precision already. And at the same time, very scary. Cause what happens if it goes wrong? That's obviously the thing that everybody's going to think is like, I don't want that thing controlling my muscles.

39:57What if it makes me do, you know, crazy stuff? Don't hallucinate me. You can hallucinate words, but don't hallucinate me. a human, please. If you can get this within a very good safety margin, which is why they have that filter you mentioned, then it could be very helpful for people rehabilitating movement so they can do things on their own at home. It could be great in industrial situations where you're training people to do things to kind of guide them in the movement. It would be good for the researchers that said it would be good for people with low vision to be able to be guided to do things that maybe they can't quite see well enough to do on their own so a lot of really good uses for this absolutely and i'm sure we'll see a lot more of this sort of stuff as as it all improves yeah thank you come for sending that along uh you can send stuff to us as well you got some insight into a story you got some interesting stuff to share send it to feedback at daily tech news show.com that's right thanks to come for doing exactly that and contributing to today's show and thank you for being along for daily tech news show you can keep us in business by becoming a patron.

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