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2:51Huyen Tue Dao: This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, August 1st, 2025. Welcome to August, everybody. We tell you what you need to know, follow up on the context of these stories and help each other understand. Today, Justin Robert Young tells us why politicians are upset about the next version of iOS. And OpenAI stops letting users let search engines index their public chat logs. Those are both very intriguing stories. I'm Tom Merrick. I'm Windwet Dow. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. Yeah, so Thursday, Oliver Molender on LinkedIn, that's who TechCrunch was pointing to. I think there were others also started jumping on the bandwagon, noting that if you filtered your search results on, you know, Google, Bing, etc., to only include URLs from chatgpt.com slash share, you could find all these conversations people were having with chatgpt and publishing to the web.

3:51Huyen Tue Dao: Now, some were just mildly interesting, but some could be revealing, like helping rewrite a resume, which could reveal to your employer maybe that you're looking to change jobs. And of course, there were weirder ones where people are just messing with the chat GPT. Those conversations were made searchable because the user clicked a share button on a chat, then clicked a create link button. Chat GPT would then say your name, custom instructions, and any messages you add after sharing stay private. So it's just the part you're sharing. You could then, after doing all that, click a checkbox to make that link discoverable.

4:30Huyen Tue Dao: And that checkbox that said make it discoverable had small print that said allows it to be shown in web searches. It was not checked by default. However, a lot of people were upset about this. So Thursday afternoon, OpenAI CISO Dane Stuckey posted on X, we just removed a feature from ChatGPT app that allows users to make their conversations discoverable by search engines such as Google. This was a short-lived experiment to help people discover useful conversations. I guess, you know, learn from each other's examples. This feature required users to opt in first by picking a chat to share, then by clicking a checkbox for it to be shared with search engines.

5:12Huyen Tue Dao: Ultimately, we think this feature introduced too many opportunities for folks to accidentally share things they didn't intend to, so we're removing the option. We're also working to remove indexed content from the relevant search engines. This change is rolling out to all users through tomorrow morning when a lot of response to this was open AI did the right thing by swiftly shutting this off and that it was open AI's responsibility to manage this sort of thing since users don't read what they click. What do you think of that? I, okay, I'll generally agree with both of those statements. I'll generally agree with both of those statements.

5:49And I feel like we've been here before, actually, especially been here with you, Tom, before, because when we were talking about Facebook. Yeah. Or no, Meta, sorry. Meta accidentally sharing. Sorry. Was it something? There was another AI that was accidentally sharing something and it just flew out of my head all of a sudden.

6:07Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, in the Meta AI app, we were seeing people's chats. Yes. Same sort of thing where they were sharing them and then when they shared them, it also showed up in the app. In that situation, it was a little more vague when you shared it that it was going to show up elsewhere in the app publicly Whereas in this case, it was a separate checkbox to make it show up in the search engines and after two other clicks through. So this is a little more walled off than the meta wall was. Yeah, and that's why it's kind of a spectrum from wildly irresponsible, didn't do enough and not taking responsibility to did all the right things, like literally checked all the boxes.

6:48Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. Or I guess not literally or unchecked all the boxes. and I don't I but I do think this is a thing that unfortunately especially working in software and tech that I think we need to be aware of is that you know we do a lot of work to make sure that at least especially from a legal standpoint that we have the right disclaimers usually in red text it's it's such a weird dance of like yeah we try to include the right like text so that you know it's it's there so that in a strictly from a strict liability perspective we told you all what was going to happen but at the same time you know the legal issues aside and like culpability aside i do still believe that there is an ethical ethical is a bit strong but you could consider an ethical moral you know responsibility to understand how people work and to serve their best interests So even if someone's not going to sue you, there is, I mean, people are people and we kind of always have to imagine what's the worst case if someone doesn't notice the thing they're clicking on.

7:57Because it's widely known that a lot of people, when using any kind of software technology or whatever, don't read the instructions, don't read the warnings and just do the thing. This actually reminds me of a couple of things. Actually, I used to work at Trello, which is like a project board software online application. and we ran into something like this. So it started off as like a small project at a software engine company and you can make boards public or private. So what happened was is that when it's public, it can be indexed by search engines. But if it's private, it's not. But there were cases where people, and I think this is what happened.

8:37I don't actually think there was like an actual leaking of information, but I think what happened was people had taken private boards public or sorry, had taken private, but it was public for some time and then made them private again. But because by that point, Google or whoever had indexed it, that still showed up. And it doesn't necessarily matter. It's not really, it wasn't an excuse. I mean, certainly that's reasonable and fair, right? Oh, well, you know, like that seems like, well, that seems like a reasonable thing to have happened under those circumstances, but we still had to take responsibility for it.

9:11And I think at the time we didn't have like a very exhaustive piece of copy near the public button that explained in like extra, extra detail. This is what happens when you turn this on. And actually very, very recently, I think last year they turned off pretty much, uh, they, they made all of all, all boards, whether the public or not, no index. So it's, it's interesting. Cause that was like a lesson to me where I, I was at the time and I still am very sympathetic to, this was an unintended consequence of, you know, kind of, especially as a tech person, understanding how things work and understanding the consequences of what a user action might be, but the dissonance or the difference with someone who is just a regular person who maybe kind of sort of understands, but doesn't exactly understand.

9:56And why, you know, I personally still think that it's up to people that write software or things or make things to be aware of this and that the right thing to do, making really big rabbit ears, because of course, what the right thing to do my very person and company is just to assume the worst, over communicate and don't be surprised when things like this happen, especially, and this is the thing though, and especially with something like chat GPT and AI assistance, I think we can already see that people use it for sensitive things. And so that there, we was and then I think it all again it depends on like where you work also where who you are and what your attitude and culture is around these things but I think I've been lucky to work at places where we tend to take it as the our personal responsibility is something like this happens um and even if it was unintentional okay we got to do better um and so I think yeah for sure open AI did try to do the right thing at first they did put some warning they did it is a lot more friction and they did turn it off immediately but I don't know um it's it's it's it's always hard because I feel like working in tech, it's like you carry around a lot of Pandora's boxes along with maybe just less, more benign boxes.

11:11And you never quite know when you open one, everything is gonna, you know, all the demons are gonna fly out. So I don't know, as I've gotten older, I've been a lot more careful about just making sure I check a box isn't from Pandora.

11:27Huyen Tue Dao: Yes, don't default check open Pandora's box. Exactly. Exactly. But it's a hard thing to always keep in mind, I think, when you have good ideas. I think this example in particular brings us much closer to the question of when is a company supposed to make decisions for you? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because in a lot of the other examples, the Trello example, the meta example, there was something that a user could be reasonably forgiven for not understanding, right? Like, oh, I wouldn't have thought that this would be indexed by the search engine. Or I wouldn't have thought that this would go out onto a feed that people could see.

12:09Huyen Tue Dao: However, in this case, it's very much like, do you want to share this? Who do you want to share with? And then they gave you the option to make it indexable on search. And so the only thing that the user might not reasonably understand is the implications of their action, right? Yeah. Like you could clearly see it was discoverable in search. You had to take an action to check that to make it discoverable. Maybe there was some room for misunderstanding of like, well, I meant discoverable by the people I was sharing the link with and not by all search engines, maybe. But but really comes up right against like they kind of did almost everything you could think of to say, if you want to do this, you can.

12:49Huyen Tue Dao: And now they're saying, well, now you can't do it. Now, I don't think it's super important for people to be able to share their chat logs on search engines, right? It's not like, oh, my gosh, it's a horrible thing to take away. But it does kind of rub me the wrong way that like, well, because people couldn't be bothered to use the tool responsibly. Now nobody can have it. Yeah, no, that's a really fair point. And I like that distinction of like whose responsibility is it or is it that the company needs to tell you what not to do because you can't be trusted? And that's a really fair point. I don't know what the answer is.

13:23Huyen Tue Dao: I don't know what the answer is either. In this situation, I'm not willing to go to the wall for it because I'm like, I don't know, the ability to, if I really want to publish my chat logs to search, there are ways for me to do that. And I don't think it's on OpenAI to be like, to be feature complete, it must have this in here. It was just an experiment. And I get why they took it away because it's almost no cost. But the principle is still there. And as we get more of these examples, we keep getting closer to one where I'm like, well, wait, now I'm not allowed to do that. Which reminds me very much of the Android versus iOS or Windows versus Mac debates of like, what do you allow the user to do and what don't you?

13:57This is like the this is why we can't have nice things. It's because people are people. And yeah, I definitely feel like I mean, for me, I think I've seen it so much and have felt sufficiently chastised or bad about it that I tend to be a little more, we'll say, helicopter parent when I when I work on something or or am asked about something. But it's true. like yeah and it's it's just not an easy question to answer and unfortunately because tech is tech and people are people and soft people that write software make software are very imperfect please remember this always please please please remember this always we are just regular people just try

14:32Huyen Tue Dao: and stuff out um because nobody wants to develop something and have it go wrong and feel they feel responsible for that right right yeah it makes me think of like what is it um we were uh i i uh I've been listening to a lot of movie, movie podcasts and it's like, well, no one ever really intends to make a bad movie. No one ever really intends to make a zero day or to make a publicly embarrassing like incident, but it happens. And I guess it's kind of like, yeah, it's, it's, it's a very, very gray area. There are no rules. And even like, depending on the consequences, your mileage might vary on how you want to adhere to those rules and whether you want to just empower people and let them, what's the word hoist themselves on their own petard give them enough rope to hang themselves with both very similar similar similarly themed idioms or do you want to create or i guess you want to be as conscientious as possible and again not open a pandora's box yeah they are two different but common ways of approaching not only just user design but life yeah Love it.

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18:33Well, Google DeepMind introduced Gemini 2.5 DeepThink on Friday. Google says it is the most advanced reasoning model it has released. It responds to queries by tasking multiple agents to respond in parallel and then choosing the best one. It's Google's first public multi-agent model. Google says the model scored 34.8 % on humanity's last exam. By comparison, OpenAI's O3 scored 20.3 % and XAI's Grok 4 scored 25.4%. It's also outperformed other models on the LiveCodeBench 6 test. Multi-agent models like this are more expensive to run, so Google is only making it available to folks who pay$250 a month for Google Ultra.

19:19If you do, you should have access to Gemini 2.5 DeepThink now.

19:22Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, two takeaways for me here is Google definitely, with their code red a while ago, has caught up. They are in this race. And two, the multi-agent model is kind of the new multimodal model. It's the new hot thing in making these models. Because Google isn't the first, nor will they be the last to make a multi-agent model like this. Oh gosh, I just feel like a, like a, like almost like a club remix of something too. Like you've got the club remix and then this, but now we've got multi this, agent that, and then multimodal agents. Yeah. The multi-agent models do use are multimodal in this case.

20:03Yeah.

20:04Huyen Tue Dao: Yes. If you know, you know. So Apple had a good earnings report with revenue growing the most it has since 2021, 13 % growth in iPhone sales on the air. And an important one for Apple, sales in China rising 4%. They've been fighting declining sales there. Apple CEO Tim Cook estimated that about 10 % of its growth came from people buying products to get ahead of tariffs. So that is a concern of like, well, can you keep this growth or was it everybody stockpiling and now your sales are going to stagnate? Apple Services, the company's supposed future, grew 13%. The only declines were in iPad, even though they had a new low-cost iPad.

20:42Huyen Tue Dao: iPad does go through these kinds of declines pretty regularly. And wearables, which they haven't had a big new wearable model in a while. Apple wanted everyone to talk about how it has sold its 3 billionth iPhone. That's a big milestone. But the headline I saw the most was Apple CEO Tim Cook saying that the company would invest significantly more in AI, adding, we're very open to M &A, that's mergers and acquisitions, that accelerate our roadmap. We are not stuck on a certain size company, although the ones that we have acquired thus far this year are small in nature. He said the strategy continues to focus, quote, on putting AI features across the platform that are deeply personal, private, and seamlessly integrated.

21:24Huyen Tue Dao: But the takeaway here is Apple kind of thinking maybe they ought to buy somebody and they could buy somebody big. I just want to buy somebody, somebody who can make AI for me. I've been saying that for a while. Like Apple often has these big leaps in technology by acquisition. It happened with the iPod. It happened with the touchscreen for the iPhone. Usually it happens before the product is released. But, you know, they could make a big splash here. I'm curious to see what they end up doing. Well, Microsoft giveth and Microsoft taketh away. First, it's taking away Windows 11 SE. You don't remember it?

22:01Well, it's basically Microsoft's Chrome OS competitor meant to run on cheaper hardware and compete in schools. Windows 11 SE won't get any more feature updates and security updates and security updates will stop arriving in October 2026. This is not to be confused with Windows S mode, which ships on low cost systems as well, but was not marketed to educational organizations. However, Microsoft has added a feature to Excel that you may not care about, but if you do, you are probably very happy. Pivot tables now automatically refresh in the beta of Microsoft Excel for the uninitiated pivot table summarized rows of data into a useful number.

22:38But if you change the data in the table, you used to have to manually refresh it. Now you don't.

22:43Huyen Tue Dao: Look to your left, look to your right. One of you gets very excited about anything to do with pivot tables. This shot to the top of our subreddit, by the way. I love that. Because people are like, oh my gosh, thank goodness. I'm so tired of forgetting to manually refresh my pivot table and then all my data is wrong. Yeah, it's kind of a big one. I have definitely heard that in my life. So congratulations, everybody. I'm genuinely happy for you. Brilliant Labs has launched a pair of smart glasses called Halo. has a camera, microphone, bone conduction speakers, a color OLED display, and 14-hour battery life.

23:20Huyen Tue Dao: All that, and it weighs 40 grams, so not hugely heavy. Kind of looks like a stylish pair of glasses. The display projects into your peripheral vision, which is an interesting take. Halo can talk to Brilliant Lab's NOAA smart assistant, which is aware of what you're seeing and all of that. Also has an agent called Narrative that claims to be able to do things like remember people's names. So when you see them, it can tell you who they are, even details of previous conversations if you've recorded them. You can pre-order Halo now for$299 shipping in November. So I guess how does looking at something in your peripheral vision from a UI perspective work?

24:02Huyen Tue Dao: I guess - Yeah, so you just have it up there as sort of something you can reference, but it's not something you're looking at. So it doesn't distract you, but it could provide a little information. Like, for instance, in the name situation, if I'm looking at someone and Jason Howell shows up to the left, I'm like, oh, Jason Howell, it's great to meet you again. And Jason's like, how did you forget my name? I saw that. Gotcha. Actually, Halo is a great name for it. Perfect. Yeah. Well, unsurprisingly, Nintendo doubled its revenue last quarter thanks to the sales of the 5.8.2 million Switch 2s. Nintendo did not change its guidance for the fiscal year.

24:41It still expects to sell 15 million Switch 2 units this year. Nintendo also announced that pricing in the U.S. for the original Nintendo Switch will change based on market conditions on August 3rd. Certain Switch accessories may also see an adjustment. Pricing for the Switch 2 will remain unchanged.

25:01Huyen Tue Dao: Yep. So Switch 2 not going up. No. Yeah. I want to say up front, I do not have this story backward. word. China is accusing the United States of exploiting a flaw in Microsoft Exchange to steal military data and attack its defense operations. China usually doesn't do this. I mean, I'm sure it happens, but China usually doesn't admit it, doesn't talk about it publicly. China's Cyber Security Association said Friday that it linked actors located in the United States with two major attacks on military companies. The attackers reportedly had access to servers at one company for up to a year. All right, well, in Reddit's Q2 2025 shareholder letter, CEO Steve Huffman said the company is concentrating its resources on, quote, making Reddit a go-to search engine.

25:47This followed a lot of talk about how important human voices are and citing survey results that showed some questions can only be answered by humans.

25:56Huyen Tue Dao: Good luck with that. Google lost its appeal against an order from the Epic Games lawsuit, which would require the company to lift restrictions on developers from being listed in the Play Store if they also operate a third-party app store or include alternate billing systems. This is just an update that says Google lost its last defense, so they're going to have to do this now. Woo, sorry. Obviously, unabashedly supportive of this. Yay. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, TikTok launched a new version of its app called TikTok Pro in Germany, Portugal, and Spain. Users of the app can earn virtual sunshine by doing things like inviting users to the app or interacting with charity-related content.

26:35The Sunshine can then be given to a charity, and TikTok will make a donation to it. TikTok Pro has most of the same content as regular TikTok, but no live streams, shopping, features, or ads. It's so kind of interesting that it's called Pro. I mean, maybe this is an English thing.

26:51Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, I'm like, they're going to pivot this to something else. Yeah, because it sounds very, bad pun intended, very sunny and altruistic, and all this is kind of cute. But it's called Pro, which doesn't usually connect with charity. Not TikTok sunshine or TikTok giving or... Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I noticed that too. All right. Well, those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper on an unexpected effect of the iOS 26 public preview. iOS 26 is the next version of the iPhone operating system expected to arrive on phones probably sometime in September. But among many of the features coming to iOS 26, one's getting a lot of attention this week.

27:35Huyen Tue Dao: It's one that adds filters to the messages app. That's, of course, the app that handles text messages. And by default, this feature will filter messages into your main inbox. If you like them, you know who they're from, the system knows you want them. There are also a few new subsections, including transactions, promotions, spam, and something called unknown senders. In other words, it doesn't fit in any of the other categories. And this is something that is from someone that's not in your contacts list and you have not previously approved. Now, iOS 26 doesn't arrive until September-ish, as I said, but everyone can play around with it now.

28:14Huyen Tue Dao: As earlier this week, Apple released its public preview, so it's getting more attention. And that's why politicians are suddenly worried. So, of course, I had to bring on Justin Robert Young, our friend from politics, politics, politics, to explain the political side of this. Justin, thanks for talking to us about this. Always a pleasure, Tom. Of course. There was a letter that caused some some stir in the political world yesterday. Who was it from? What was it about? The Republican National Senatorial Committee, which is the arm that raises money and helps direct operations for senatorial candidates that are on the Republican side.

28:56They wrote a letter that says this could be a net loss per cycle of anywhere between 50 and 500 million dollars per cycle, because now Apple has created this system where political text messages are going to go without an alert, without a badge, without an icon into this unknown folder.

29:17Huyen Tue Dao: Because it's coming from a number that's not in your contacts list. And probably most people won't go to the effort of either turning this off in their settings or making sure to flag political messages as, yes, that one's OK. Don't send it to unknown senders. Well, there does seem to be a bit of a back and forth on whether or not this is going to be totally opt in. Michael D. Cohen, who writes for 24 Sight News and is a regular on my program, says that this is an opt in situation, that you do need to hit a few buttons before this would be the case. But the worry is that this, if it is just by default in the future, you have now totally taken out the legs of small dollar fundraising, which has become a bigger and bigger part of how campaigns make their money.

30:07If I can just give you a few stats here, 70 % of small dollar donations, which used to be things like sending it in the mail or doing stuff like that. Now it is all smartphones. 70 % fully are you clicking a link largely from text messages. 60 % of all US smartphones are iPhones. So this is a huge chunk of the pie, which is how the NRNC got that number.

30:33Huyen Tue Dao: So yeah, on the default side of things, it sounds like there's a little confusion amongst people reporting on this. I've seen Tom's hardware say like, this thing's off. You have to go turn it on. And I've seen Apple Insider say like, no, this thing's on. I have a feeling that it has changed over the course of the development of iOS 26, which is why we're getting these conflicting ideas. And of course, now is a chance for everybody to weigh in and try to pressure Apple whether to have this thing on by default or off by default. But there's a lot of money at stake there that you just explained why they would care.

31:06And this is not just a Republican issue. The Republican Senatorial Committee put out this memo. But I think that probably speaks more to the fact that the Republican side right now is a little bit more active than the Democratic side is because this affects everybody in the political world. It affects campaigns. It affects super PACs. It affects other committees that are just there to operate for various different causes. And it even affects polling, which has actually found a little bit of a lane where people have a little bit more time to respond to polls if it shows up in their text message inbox as they continually try to replace landlines, which used to be the gold standard.

31:50And now that might be totally gone.

31:52Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. And I think there's also a lot of confusion over this being anti-spam versus not spam. I understand why the NSRC would say it's spam because that helps their case. But there is a spam folder. There is a spam identification of messages going on that will put things in a spam folder. Political messages are not supposed to be filtered as spam. And I don't think Apple intends to do them. It's the unknown senders of like, well, you don't know this number. And I guess the other trick here is if people turn on unknown senders but do want to get these messages from whatever political party, the contact number might change and often does, in which case it would be a game of cat and mouse to try to get them to continue to look at them.

32:33I think it will fundamentally change some of the operations and strategy that people have when they try to get you into the funnel so you can donate. If you genuinely care about a cause or a candidate, they might ask you to have some easy way that you recognize by way of iOS that this is a number that you like. Or they might ask you to respond to something before you click a link. Let me just give you a sense, though.

33:00Huyen Tue Dao: Make sure to smash that Mark Sender is known. Yes. No, I think I also in thinking through this wonder whether or not apps are just going to become a bigger deal that that maybe the push will be, hey, look, you need to get on. You know, so one of these various fundraising platform apps, when red is the blessed one for Republicans act blue, although it's in a bit of a flux right now, has been the blessed platform for Democrats. Maybe you just put an app out and you say, look, make sure you turn on notifications because we this is how we're going to get this information to you. I want to give you a sense, though, of why users are going to be happy about this probably being the most aggressive thing that they want to to take the nuclear option when it comes to these messages.

33:49All right. 2022. This is the midterms for Joe Biden's administration. 15 billion political texts were sent by there's no final numbers yet for last year's election, but basic estimates have it at three times as many. So 45 million texts that were sent. Sorry, billion, 45 billion texts that were sent during that cycle. The eligible voting population is 244.4 million. That means if each eligible voter, each eligible voter got 184 and you know that it's more because there are some people that are more likely to vote and that are more likely to donate. And so you almost assuredly, if you have any interest in politics, got well over 200 texts last cycle.

34:47Then you got 200 texts. Political texts. Yeah.

34:54Huyen Tue Dao: If you were someone who say just bought campaign buttons from all the major parties just once to have them in your collection, you got more than 200 texts from. And that's the other problem is that, number one, we are at an age of so many lists. It's very easy to keep track of things. Databases are extraordinarily well-maintained. You can integrate them in various different ways. So even if you hit stop, your phone number is going to be sold to somebody else. And not every text you get is literally from the campaign. There is literally from even a super PAC that is designed to support your candidate.

35:40There are a lot of scam PACs that go out there and try to raise money. This is a legit problem. This is a scuzzy, scummy industry, even though this is a very important lifeblood for the campaigns themselves. And they're going to have to figure out how to do this. It's going to be interesting to see whether or not when the operating system does actually hit everybody's phones, whether or not it is opt-in or opt-out.

36:06Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting to track that in the beta and see what happens at the end. Meanwhile, learn to raise money off Android users, political parties, because that's the other 50 % of the U.S. market. Yeah. Without getting into gang warfare here, there are some demos. Let's just say discretionary income on iPhones on iPhone users is higher than it's just that is a demographic fact uh you know but there's also WhatsApp uh there's other there's other I mean they have they have spam problems that that are that are beyond I mean that's like a mutant level spam problems on plat on anything that is specifically online only that doesn't have to deal with uh the SMS uh regulations like Like you just have God knows what that's happening there.

36:57Huyen Tue Dao: Well, Justin, thanks for bringing this to our attention and helping us understand it. If folks want to find out more about politics and follow what you do, where should they go? Politics, politics, politics, wherever you find podcasts. Kamala Harris does it. You should too. Yeah, apparently under an assumed name though, that's Justin's running bit. Because he keeps saying she should do something and then she does it the next day. So he's like, she must be reading my substance. Oh my goodness. Sorry for Android users for throwing you under the bus. i mean you know like we gotta we gotta we gotta get a win and so this is so fascinating to me because it feels so related to the first story and i feel like well the first story might have had some kind of like if we wanted to talk like dnd alignments had like a kind of like a chaotic neutral vibe this has like a bit of a law either a lawful evil or a lawful good or a lawful i don't know lawful neutral vibe uh and it's so fascinating because i think yeah it does seem that apple is trying to seriously weigh the uh the unintended but very real impacts in in a multi-multitudent like multi-directional god this is so fascinating uh and there's going to be no perfect answer for anyone because do you have a bet is it on by default or not when the final final release is off by default you think off by default i'm gonna go off by default it just just so we have we have stakes okay we have stakes all right uh folks we promise not to send you 200 text messages to ask you to support the show we just say patreon.com slash dtns or go to our store uh we have a like cool little soda glass with len peralta's dtns logo on it uh there's all kinds of cool stuff there go check it out dailytechnewsshow.com slash store.

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40:00Huyen Tue Dao: Yes, Andre wrote in response to yesterday's show on Patreon, on slush ropes. Yes. The style of exercise is called rope flow. I bought some heavy ropes from her online. They are great to train with. I highly recommend them. Yes. This is in response to the, sorry, the de minimis exception going away and me knowing a very specific entrepreneur who has stayed, who was very publicly posted about her, the effects of tariffs on her business. And Andre, that is so cool. Yes. Slush ropes. I actually got to meet her at my kettlebell conference. She is awesome. And yes, rope flow is cool. Thank you. That is so awesome to know that I have a Ropeflow friend in the audience.

40:35That's awesome.

40:36Huyen Tue Dao: That's great. Thank you, Andre. That's awesome. All right. Well, what are you thinking about? Do you have some insight? Share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Big thanks to Justin Robert Young and to Andre for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron. Patreon.com slash DTNS.

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