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2:42This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, May 11th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you some important context and try to help each other understand

2:50Robb Dunewood: this crazy tech world today reddit is trying to force some mobile users into its app instead of its website and boy are some of them upset they're not politely not pleased i'm tom merit and i'm rob dunwood let's start with what you need to know with that big story so last week uh we we actually mentioned this ars technica's nate anderson was among the folks who noticed that when they tried to visit Reddit on a mobile browser, a pop-up told them to get the app to keep using Reddit. And then it said you can search better, personalize your feed, never miss an update on your favorite communities. But there was no way to dismiss that pop-up, and the only option it offered was tapping a button to get the app.

3:35Now, when ours contacted Reddit, Reddit said it was a test on a, quote, small subset of frequently logged out mobile users. Anderson was able to access the website again by clearing his cookies. So if it's a test, the cookie would be like, oh, they're in the test, give them the pop-up. You clear the cookies, maybe you're not in the test, you don't get the pop-up. Supposedly logging in also prevents the pop-up. I'm not sure what the maneuver was to be able to log in without getting the pop-up because the pop-up would kind of prevent you from logging in. anyway the the audience has not died down about this now I tend Rob to you know not get into the internet is mad stories because pretty much every story is the internet is mad and a lot of people that are mad are not really that mad or they're bots using LLMs to stoke anger this one strikes me as legitimately people, uh, uh, unpleased that Reddit would even experiment with saying like, no, you don't get to use the web.

4:38Uh, we, we want to make you use an app, which is the opposite of what we usually see. Usually we see companies saying like, yeah, we have an app, but we're locked into a payment system there. So go to the web and use that. That would be better. Uh, cause people generally do prefer apps.

4:53Robb Dunewood: Yeah, this is one where I was kind of surprised this didn't affect me so i didn't even really think about it but the internet has spoken the reddit users that have been affected they are not happy about this and when you when you really think about it i can understand why they're being forced into user behavior that's just different it's it's it's like it's it's not like the color is different it's like you have to use an application whereas before you were using a website some of these folks may not have the application even installed on their device it's like yeah right well they've got to go through and jump through some hoops to be able to use something that they were using just fine literally the day before.

5:30Robb Dunewood: So I get that. I also get that Reddit is a for-profit organization. They like to make money. And they've probably had somebody say, it's like, you know what, if we can get people using these apps, we can do things that we just can't do on the web as easily, and we can ultimately make more money. So at the end of the day, I understand why people are upset and are so upset, it's going to be interesting to see how will Reddit readjust to this. But I also understand that Reddit is trying to figure out how can we make more money than we're currently making. And that idea might be if we get these folks into these apps, we can do some different stuff.

6:07Yeah, it's not fashionable these days to look favorably on a company making money, especially a company that is big like Reddit. However, that company needs to stay in business. And I know that Reddit has made some unpopular moves. And yet people continue to still use Reddit. So I think you can exaggerate this sort of thing because Reddit has been on the brink of death multiple times in its past because of decisions it made to charge for API access, this and that. And yet Reddit has not died yet. I think they do want to make sure that they have a solid revenue going in. And I think that's reasonable for them to do.

6:46I don't think this is a good way to do it. I don't think forcing user behavior is going to get you where you want, especially because you know you're going to get this kind of backlash. That's a given. Do any kind of change. And yes, you're right. I can imagine some scenarios where the telemetry you get from an app is going to be more valuable. Certainly logged in users are better than not logged in users. That seems to be part of this. If you're logged in on the web, you do not get this pop-up yet. This is really trying to make people take people who are not logged in and make them install the app, which I think then probably makes a user flow that causes them to log in more often than if you do it on the web, because you can keep them logged into an app easier than you can on the web.

7:33So I'm sure there's some kind of tortured logic there, but you can log in on the web and maybe just tell people like, hey, we'd like you to log in. If you want that to be your policy, like if you want to see Reddit, you got to be logged in, make that your policy. It's not a policy I would enjoy, but that is a perfectly reasonable policy for a website to have. Lots of others have done it. So I don't get this sort of give me no other option than to get the app. I guess that's the other part that bothers me too, right? Is you couldn't dismiss this and say, no, I don't want to do that. But making me identify my browser as a desktop browser just so I can, you know, browse the web would not be a good way to do this.

8:17I hope that they see this as a failed test. But our colleague, co-host Jen Cutter, said she ran into this on Firefox. She was on Firefox and it gave her that pop-up. But then when she went to Chrome, she didn't get it, probably because the cookie wasn't set on Chrome, which meant she just started using Reddit and Chrome. And that's the other thing. People will find workarounds to this very easily.

8:38Robb Dunewood: The thing that interests me about this is that it's safe. I think it's probably safe to assume that it's some on some level Reddit knew that they were going to get this pushback. They've gotten pushback for much less, you know, in their past. So to think that we're going to do something even more egregious and people are going to just be fine with it is probably not the thought process, at least not of everyone. I would hope not everyone. Hopefully somebody on the steering committee said, hey, these are the issues are going to come up. But then there's pushback. It's like, OK, there's going to be issues.

9:07Robb Dunewood: People are going to come up, but we've had these before and we still have more users today than we had yesterday. How many people will we lose if we do this? That is probably part of this experiment. Are we going to upset them enough to where they actually go and stop using Reddit? And it's depending on where you sit, you can say that's just not cool to treat your users that way. And I don't believe that it's cool to treat your users that way. But this seems like a test that is to determine what can we get away with. And I'm not saying that that's exactly what Reddit is doing. What I'm saying that I have been at companies that have done things similar to this, to where let's just try it and let's just see.

9:49Robb Dunewood: And then we'll figure out what we do on the back end, knowing that it was going to be disruptive and people were going to be upset. It does imply to me, you know, what I read out of this is that they are grasping at pennies. This is not a large number of users. This is not going to change the tide unless they are trying to collect this data for some other purpose than specifically getting logged out users to be logged in more often or to gain telemetry from them from the app. In which case, then if that other shoe drops, I'll probably look at it and say, oh, they were trying to do that. I don't have an idea of what that is right off the top of my head.

10:29And so to me, it indicates that Reddit is a little desperate to try to look for places to add to the bottom line, because this doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that's going to change the tide. Now, granted, you do a dozen things that are small, then you get a big effect. So maybe this is just one of many.

10:49Robb Dunewood: And then you kind of hit the head in there on them. Maybe the goal is that we want everybody logged in. So we're going to go way past making you log in. We're going to force you to use an app. And then the pullback is what we actually wanted. That's negotiating. It's like, this is what I really want, but I'm not going to tell you that. I want to tell you something that we want this thing that's so much worse. And you know what? We don't know. We don't we haven't tested to see if we can get away with that. So let's go with this thing that makes us even more money than everybody being logged in.

11:19Robb Dunewood: Oh, the reaction to that was really bad. OK, well, you know what? We're not necessarily going to do that, but we are going to make it be logged in, which is kind of what they wanted in the first place. I don't know this. I'm not an insider at Reddit. I am just basically reading the tea leaves and seeing that I have been in other companies that have done things like this. Let's go nuclear and then pull back to what we actually want so that that doesn't seem as bad as just offering that as the option in the first place. A little 4D chess for my taste, but I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand because Reddit has had these kinds of backlashes in the past.

11:54So that might be a valid strategy to say, like, let's make it seem worse. So then when we do the thing we want to do, it's not that big of a deal. If the canary in the coal mine is if you see Reddit put in place a system that says if you're on mobile website, you have to be logged in. Then Rob was right. That's what that's what this was about.

12:12Robb Dunewood: And I'm only assuming this because we've seen them do this exact thing before. So not the exact thing. We've seen them do similar things before. So like I said, like that, no inside information from Rob is just I'm just wondering. And I like your analogy of 40 chess. Is that what they're playing? I don't know. We'll find out. Well, folks, I love Mondays. One of the reasons is because we get to tell you about all the folks who support the show. So today we want to talk to some of our patrons, David Baines, Chris Allen, Reed Fishler and Larry Bailey. Thank you so, so much for what you do, because if it wasn't for you, we couldn't do what we do.

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15:53Robb Dunewood: There is more we need to know today. Let's get right into the briefs. Discord's Nitro subscription gives you things like HD streaming, larger file uploads and customization options and now discord has added nitro rewards which includes access to the base tier of xbox game pass at no additional charge it also offers discounts on gaming hardware from partners like logitech control freak and others so this this is kind of cool because it's like if you already have or are we going to use nitro you can get access to 50 games maybe yeah um and the two nitro levels are 2.99 and 9.99 a month and this applies to both of them i think uh so for 2.99 a month you get a little you get 50 games at the base level of xbox you know it's not everything in the catalog but that's that's pretty good and pretty smart for discord because they're they're saying right out they're like this is a retention play we know we can get people to try nitro by giving them fun things we'll keep them around by having them think well i don't want to lose my xbox you know uh base subscription access so maybe i'll i'll stick with Nitro for a little longer.

16:57Robb Dunewood: That stuff works. It really does. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't. So, you know, and then, you know, Xbox is saying, hey, it's like, you know, we're probably not going to lose a lot by doing this. It makes sense to have these folks on there because if you are doing the integration between Discord and your Xbox Play, you ultimately are bringing more people into the game from a Microsoft standpoint and you're bringing more people into Discord from a Discord standpoint. So it's kind of a win-win for both of them and really doesn't cost either of them that much. I think the benefit of what they get on the other side is probably more than what this is going to cost each one of them for partnering up in this kind of way.

17:35Yeah, Microsoft's going to want to upsell people to higher tiers where you get more games and all of that. It brings more people into the ecosystem. Yeah, you're right. It's good for everybody. It is interesting to see it be gaming. I think some people look at Discord askance, especially people who've been in it for a long time and like, ah, you used to be about gaming Discord. Now you're about my hobbyist group and politics and all this other stuff. And I think Discord knows that its bread is buttered by the gamers still, even if it has a broader reach than it used to.

18:05Robb Dunewood: It definitely is buttered by the gamers. And there's a lot of folks who use Discord for a lot of different ways now. And it's just because it's a cool platform and it provides community in a way that really no other place, I don't wanna say no other place does, but discord is the biggest place that provides discord like features that discord does so and a lot of people like it so i can see why if you're using it for gaming and then you said oh let me go install it for this other thing and see if that works and it does and that word gets around and it's kind of cool but this here is core gaming and it makes sense because there's still a lot of people who play games and and stream on discord and talk about them on discord so win-win for both organizations.

18:46Researchers at Google Threat Intelligence Group, aka GTIG, say they have found a zero-day exploit in an unnamed open-source web admin tool that could bypass 2FA, two-factor authentication. A bad, bad exploit. The attack has been patched before it could be mass exploited. GTIG withholding a lot of the details, like the name of the tool, but it has been patched, so makes me a little more comfortable to think, okay, well, I'm glad you caught it and it's been patched. However, the big headline here is the GTIG believes the exploit's Python code was generated using large language models or some similar kind of tool.

19:27Here's what they wrote. The script contains an abundance of educational doc strings, including a hallucinated CVSS score and uses a structured textbook Pythonic format, highly characteristic of LLM's training data. It's also a classic bug known as a semantic logic bug. Those are the kind that LLMs are very good at finding. GTIG warns that attackers are using access to premium models now, like Anthropic, like OpenAI, like Gemini, to automate account creation and avoid being caught. So they can pool infrastructure access, all the things they do to gain access to all kinds of resources without getting caught, not like web domains and that sort of thing now being applied to large language models so they can use them to generate code and make exploits faster.

20:20Robb Dunewood: I actually had a conversation. It was just a brief text conversation where I, you know, someone that I know that actually is, they said so. I just said, hey, how bad is this? He's like, well, it's not horrible because they were able to figure it out before it actually got exploited, before it got pushed out. But it just, this is what little hair I have left. I'm pulling out because now I don't have to worry about just people. I have to worry about people using LLMs and just how fast they can iteratively do things to figure this kind of stuff out. So yeah, I would imagine that there's not just one CISL around America or the world for that matter that is concerned about this type of exploit.

20:55Robb Dunewood: I think that this is something that is absolutely at the front of their mind. Yeah. And this is why you have Anthropic arguing that mythos needs to be limited so that it can be used to catch these kinds of things. before others can catch them. Of course, Google Threat Intelligence Group has been around for a long time and its job. Google has charged it with like, just go out and find vulnerabilities. We don't care where. We don't care whether it's with us or others. Let's just try to make the world a safer place because that's good for Google's PR. And it's also good for Google's own systems to be more secure that way as well.

21:28So it's good to see them on this case as well. And hopefully they are also using LLMs because this is the typical type of arms race we have where, you know, the bad guys start using a tool. You got to use the same kind of tool to catch them.

21:41Robb Dunewood: Windows Central reports that Microsoft is letting insiders test a new low latency profile for Windows 11. The mode briefly boost CPU speed for various tasks. Windows Central's Zach Bowden said it can reach 40 % faster at launch times and 70 % faster launch for interface elements like the start menu. The boosts are automatic and don't last long enough for it to impact battery life or thermals. Microsoft VP Scott Hanselman said on X that Linux and Apple use a similar technique. Your smartphone already does this constantly. Every touch wakes cores, boosts clocks, renders a frame, then drops back to idle milliseconds later.

22:16Robb Dunewood: This seems to be another in the Windows K2 effort to address pain points in Windows 11. K2 is making XDA developers report assignment back. Consider switching back to Windows from Linux. Now, maybe that's it. XDA is good at not doing clickbait. And that's as close as I would say that XDA developers gets to clickbait. I left Windows for Linux, but Microsoft's K2 pivot just gave me a reason to reconsider. But yeah, this is the kind of thing you want to see from Microsoft is them actually fixing problems, making things better. Hanselman got his backup a little on X though, because people said, well, why do you need to do this?

22:50Why don't you just fix Windows? And he's like, wait, Linux does this. Apple does it. You love it when they do it. Like, yes, we do need to fix other things and we're going to get to them, too. But but don't punish us for making a thing that is pretty standard and makes your life better.

23:06Robb Dunewood: Yeah. And I have not talked to Scott Henselman in a while, but somebody I know has been on other podcasts of mine back in the day. And he's like, this is something he said many, many times is like we at Microsoft, we don't have the luxury of seeing what someone else does and say that that's actually kind of cool. we should do it too because if we do that it's like why weren't you doing it in the first place yeah exactly you know we i've actually had that conversation with him so so this is one where uh it kind of makes sense if you're looking at well wait if this is done on android this is done in ios this is done on linux this is done in mac os maybe it's a good idea and we should do it too no you can't do the things that work we don't like those things and i i get it there are there are other things wrong with the start menu and it's doing too much.

23:55And Hanselman talked about those on X. He's like, yeah, there's other things we need to fix and stop, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't also do this if it's going to give you performance boost, because then when they fix the other things, the performance boost will be even bigger. It's not like they're going to take this away. Right. So, yeah, I think people are worried like, oh, they're just going to do this and not try to fix the underlying things. So, yes, I hope and believe that they are going to continue to try to fix the underlying things. Well, hey folks, if you like hearing us talk about the tech news, we do it in a tight 30 minute format on the daily so that you can stay up to speed on everything.

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26:02All right, let's get to those quick headlines. These are those kinds of things that make you look smarter.

26:08Robb Dunewood: TikTok is launching a paid subscription in the UK that removes ads and does not track your data for advertising purposes. It costs three pounds 99 per month. Yeah, it's about what five, six bucks, something like that. So all right, be interested to see how that goes for people looking at valves store code have noticed four SKUs. It appears that there will be four different models of the steam machine. You can imagine at least two with different storage requirements. I'm not sure what the other two will be. Everybody's got their own ideas. We don't know any more details, though, at this point. Four seems like a lot, but maybe one has no RAM.

26:46Robb Dunewood: You just supply your own RAM. They can't get it anywhere. D-Y-O-R. It's not a video. Maybe. Samsung released the stable one UIA.5 update for the Galaxy S25 series in the U.S. following the rollout in South Korea last week. And I can report I am a Galaxy S25 user and I do not have the update yet. So I'm still waiting. Okay. Yeah, we'll keep on that. Venmo undergoing a huge redesign in preparation for a possible sale or spinoff from PayPal is my and several other people's supposition, but they're doing a big redesign, making things brighter and bigger and more organized. And among the many changes, new users of Venmo will now have their posts set to viewable by friends instead of the entire public, meaning you don't have to instruct everyone who signs up for Venmo.

27:34You probably want to change the viewability because now everybody can see every payment you make, which I guess people, some people did like, I don't know, Rob. I was never one of them. I have mine private by default. I went in and changed that.

27:47Robb Dunewood: I was not one of those people either. I can't stand that feature. Thanks to Motang for noting this one in the DTNS subreddit. Files uploaded in Steam in advance of next week's release of Forza Horizon 6 were not encrypted and now they're out on the internet. I mean, it's not the first time this has happened, but this is a big one. But people are very excited because this one's in Japan. And yeah, you could find people streaming themselves playing this just based on these unencrypted files. They have been encrypted since then. But, you know, once they're out on the Internet, they're out on the Internet.

28:20Here's the question.

28:22Robb Dunewood: Why were they not encrypted to begin with? Like, why is this an afterthought? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's a checkbox that didn't get checked or what it was. But definitely a big mistake. uh chinese retailers xian and timu are suing each other in the uk uh starting with xian accusing timu of astonishing copyright infringement timo saying no our merchants had consent and that's just the beginning these these two are going to be slinging mud if you're the kind of person who likes to see what happens in these kinds of court cases so or if you're a supply chain nerd i know at least one of you is uh you're probably going to find all kinds of interesting things that you find out otherwise in this particular court case.

29:02Robb Dunewood: OpenAI has acquired a consulting firm called Tomorrow. It's spelled T-O-M-O-R-O and is using it to staff a new company called the OpenAI Deployment Company, aka DeployCo, which helps clients implement OpenAI products. Anthropik's doing this too. They're creating a consulting company that you can contact to help you put in place the products that you bought from them. So this kind of lets you know how massive these companies are now, because it's like, this is what IBM does, IBM consulting. This is what Microsoft does, Microsoft consulting. They're now putting their own consulting firms within their own walls of their buildings.

29:40Yeah, that is a level, right? That is a level they have reached. Singer Dua Lipa has rules. These aren't even new rules this time. These are just copyright rules. And Samsung didn't follow them. A lawsuit from Dua Lipa alleges that Samsung used a photo of Dua Lipa on the cardboard box for its TVs without authorization. It's a photo that Dua Lipa herself has the rights to, and she's sued for$15 million.

30:06Robb Dunewood: The Register reports Linux kernel maintainers are considering a feature called Kill Switch, which would let admins temporarily disable specific kernel functions if a vulnerability affecting them is discovered. That would be good in the enterprise. When the vulnerability is discovered, turn off that function until the patch is out. There's a lot of these supply chain style things out there. So I think that's a good idea. Absolutely. And as we track the rise of physical intelligence, physical intelligence is the idea of putting generative models and their ilk inside of robots. It's worth noting a TechCrunch story out there about a Seoul and San Jose based company called Config, like your config file, C-O-N-F-I-G.

30:47Config makes a data layer for robotic foundation models. It is selling that data layer already. So it's making money. I don't know if it's profitable exactly, but it's making money. And now has backing from Samsung, Hyundai, LG, and SK Telecom's Venture Arm, among a bunch of others. So it is kind of a darling right now. And Config is out there comparing itself to TSMC. config saying, we just want to make the data layer and sell it to people who want to put it in the robots the way TSMC makes chips and sells it to vendors to put into their own hardware.

31:22Robb Dunewood: It's actually a cool idea because there's going to be a lot of different hardware out there running a lot of different software. If they can just, here's our layer, you work with this, and that's how you work with the hardware. It just kind of makes sense. So I think it's a good idea. Yeah. And it's another one of those levels, right? Of like that industry has reached a level where somebody thinks that's a business and it appears like it might actually be one. So worth paying attention to. Well, folks, we've been every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives today. Moen, it learned something.

31:54Yes, he did. Moen asked what happened to the Fitbit app in relation to the Google health app being used with the new Fitbit Air. We talked about that with Wynn last week. And when he found out, he followed up with the following post. I can't keep up with google and their messaging and health apps so i was today years old when i found out google fit is not the same as google health slash psy thanks uh yeah so uh i i don't know if we made it clear enough when we talked about it last week but uh the google uh fitbit app the fitbit app uh has been replaced by google health they're they're basically the same thing and google fit

32:34Robb Dunewood: which is not the Google Fitbit app, just to make it more confusing, it's probably one of the reasons why Google said, you know what, we're confusing ourselves with three apps that all do the same thing. So let's just put them all into one. Yeah, yeah. That was the other thing that Mo was just like, I was thinking Google Fit. That's not the same thing as Google Health, which is the Fitbit app. But yeah, that's very classic Google for you. Now we can help out a little bit. Yeah, it makes sense if you don't think about it. That's true. Well, folks, we do want to know what you're thinking about. So if you've got some insights into a story, please, please, please share it with us at feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com.

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