Why You Hate AI and Won’t Stop Using It - DTNSB 5071

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2:58Jenn Cutter: This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, July 30th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up on the context of those stories, and help each other understand.

3:06Andy Beach: Today, Andy Beach tells us how TV is using AI to change the tech they use to broadcast and why everyone says they hate AI but use it in record numbers.

3:16Jenn Cutter: I'm Tom Merritt.

3:17Andy Beach: I'm Jen Cutter.

3:18Jenn Cutter: Let's start with what you need to know with the big story.

3:23Jenn Cutter: many of you say you're tired of hearing about ai and you still insist that it's overblown and some of you even say it's just a fad but the big players in ai keep adding features to their products open ai launched a study mode for chat gpt students can use it if they want to brush up on topics without just getting told the answer nice little feature google has added new features to AI mode in search. Soon you can upload images and PDF files on the web with more file types on the way. It's also getting the Gemini apps canvas feature for organizing info over multiple sessions for things like study sessions or the tired old example of trip planning.

4:03Jenn Cutter: Search is also getting a live tab so you can ask questions about what your camera sees. AI mode come into Google Lens and Chrome so you can ask questions about the page that's open. And we're not done yet. Google says it will sign the EU's AI code of practice. That's the voluntary framework that Meta has declined to sign. That means Google agrees to publicly document things about its AI products, not train on pirated data, and it will respect requests not to train on certain data that is otherwise public. All of this is set against the backdrop of massive user adoption. Sensor Tower says folks downloaded generative AI apps 1.7 billion times in the first half of 2025, compared to 1 billion in the second half of 2024, and revenue on the apps doubled in that period from$932 million to$1.87 billion.

4:53Jenn Cutter: Asia is leading the way. Fastest adoption, biggest market share. That's thanks not only to China, which you might have guessed, but also India. So combined, Asia has an 80 % download growth rate, according to Sensor Tower. Europe is next. Yes, Europe is next, growing 51%. North America is 39%. However, North America has the highest market share for revenue at 40%. And on in-app purchases, Latin America is the fastest growing region. Now, you might have guessed ChatGPT leads and downloads everywhere except China. And people spend the most time with ChatGPT. Users average more than 12 days per month in the app.

5:38Jenn Cutter: That's across all users, by the way. ChatGPT is followed by Character AI and PolyBuzz. Those are two like, let me just chat with a friend kind of apps. And then DeepSeek and Perplexity in that order on time spent using. People use ChatGPT as much as X, as much as Reddit. Only Google has more average days per month when it comes to mobile apps anyway. And usage is rising. App types are expanding. If you add AI or LLM to a product or even just the name of your product, it boosts your downloads. So Jen, obviously, obviously, this is just a bunch of people being duped, right? Like nobody likes AI.

6:22Andy Beach: Oh, again, I put on my curmudgeon hat in that I don't use it. But I've been thinking really hard about all this stuff because if I was a preteen or teenager today, I'd be all over this. 100%. I have an established friend group. I have things I go outside to do every week, but it is also summer vacation. And if I was a teenager, oh, man, I'd be playing with every single one of these and pitting them against each other, you know, just like I was playing with dolls.

6:49Jenn Cutter: Yeah. Well, I mean, that explains a little bit of the character AI and the polybuzz part of this, right? And probably the chat GPT, a chunk of the chat GPT, but that's not that's not everything.

6:58Andy Beach: No, my parents have sent me some very bizarre things where I had to ask, hey, so where did you look this up? so i know that my dad has it on his phone now uh but uh i guess to my dad's credit i'll say uh he's been trying to use uh less twitter uh x uh he's not great at reddit uh but he does like old school forums and since those don't exist anymore he's been going to chat to see what's like the internet consensus is because he knows that it pulls from there uh-huh yeah it's uh it's

7:35Jenn Cutter: clearly, I think where the discussion is headed, if it's not there already, with AI is not, is it a fad? It's not, will it catch on? It's what is it good for and what isn't it? Because it is good for some things, but it's not good for everything. And we're now starting to kind of peer through the haze and say like, actually, it's not bad at that. It's horrible at that. And the models keep adding functions. They keep adding things. So you might say like, Well, for studying, it's kind of helpful. And then you see Google and OpenAI both add tools that are tuned for educational uses where you're like, oh, that's actually more useful because it's not just wide open.

8:18Jenn Cutter: It's narrowed and it's made for a purpose. Those are the things I've been waiting to see myself is more of these made for purposes, apps and features.

8:27Andy Beach: Yeah, there's been yet another judge caught using AI poorly, which you think their clerks would have caught. So they're going to get in trouble for that. There's a continued parade of lawyers submitting briefs with hallucinated sighting, also a problem. You would think that these stories have gone far enough that people in those kinds of you really have to be right all the time professions to at least double check some work.

8:58Jenn Cutter: But I honestly, I think they do. I mean, we are hearing about the unusual cases where they don't because they are horrible, because they are catastrophic. Right. But we are not hearing about the millions and millions of cases where they were used and it made things more efficient and it made things proper because it's not an interesting story. Nobody's going to report on that story. So I think those stories of improper use are important because it shows like, hey, you can't just use the tool and pass it along. It is not there yet if it will ever be there. But I think they are useful. And I think people are starting because they see these stories to figure out like, ah, OK, there is a responsible way to use these and you have to use them responsibly.

9:42Andy Beach: Yeah, we're looking at the broadest of apps here. We will do basically everything apps. When the more specialized apps become more entrenched in the specific professions they are used for, I think then you'll really see some accelerations in possibly productivity and clarity of text for everyone. Because as we know today, not everyone is at the same reading comprehension level and ChatTPT is good at simplifying things down to specific grade levels. Yeah.

10:11Jenn Cutter: And it's important for us to all understand that we're not the exception to the rule, right? Yes, we should be like Jen, help your relatives, help your friends understand. But also remember, you've got biases as well. You've got things that you're going to be looking at and want to believe or want to use or want to not check because it's a little faster. And so we have to keep that in mind. and people are not going to stop using these things. If you're hoping like we can put a stop to it, I don't think that's going to happen. The barn is way back there and the horses are way in front of us. So then it becomes important to put the pressure on how do we responsibly provide the power for these things?

10:55Jenn Cutter: You know, use solar panels, use wind, use renewable energy sources to power them. Because I look at these numbers and I'm like, yeah, a campaign to get people to stop using them, not going to happen.

11:09Andy Beach: Yeah, the numbers are unreal. I helped someone set up a computer this weekend, and boy, there was a lot of co-pilot in there. Google was very excited to say, hey, you should use this. We'll give it to you for free for X amount of time. And because my friend works in an industry that involves security, I had to spend my weekend removing all of it. So they do need to catch up to that. And I do wish, and this one isn't specifically my problem, but like more programs need to let you just say no, not say later.

11:42Jenn Cutter: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's all right. We need to work on the constraints and the borders, so to speak, is I think a good way of putting that.

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12:17Jenn Cutter: Yeah, exactly. Thanks again. episode prep gets messy when research slack threads and script trackers are all in different places that's where chat gpt work comes in give it the goal and connect to the tools where work happens like apps and files and it can help pull the pieces into a draft you can review without you having to re-explain the project at every step for example chat gpt work can gather team feedback from slack and use it to suggest updates to a project brief in google docs You stay in control, reviewing the draft and deciding what moves forward. Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects.

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16:01Jenn Cutter: There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs.

16:04Andy Beach: Adobe has released versions of Premiere Pro, After Effects, Audition, and Media Encoder for Windows on ARM. All four are available in public beta, but are not yet feature complete and have some known issues. For example, Premiere Pro for ARM64 doesn't yet support third-party extensions, raw video files, or export of H.264 and HEVC in MP4. There are similar format support issues and a lack of extension support on After Effects, Audition, and Media Encoder. Adobe says these missing features will arrive before the final release. In the meantime, you can try these out on your Snapdragon-powered Copilot Plus PCs.

16:45Andy Beach: You can use the emulated versions of the x86 apps, but they run into performance issues faster.

16:51Jenn Cutter: Yeah, so this is a step in the right direction, right? Like, if you want to see how these work, you're not going to be able to export everything. Like not all the JPEGs are there in After Effects, not all the exports are there in Audition, but they will come. And this is a chance for you to see how much faster these programs work when you're not emulating them. So, you know, if you're using these, this is a good thing to download and try. A couple of pieces of Google security news here. Google now offers new ways to combat cookie theft for Google Workspace users. users. Cookie theft is when attackers use malware on your machine to take authentication cookies from your machine and then use them to log in as you.

17:32Jenn Cutter: Now, Google has suggested that if you're adopting passkeys, that will help because passkeys are harder for them to get and obviate the need for the cookie in some cases. But it also now offers device-bound session credentials, which only let the original device use the cookies. That way, if somebody takes your cookie and tries to use it from a different device, the authentication scheme won't work. They'll be like, yeah, that's not bound to the right device. Sorry, I know you have the cookie, but we're not going to use it. Google is also offering something called Shared Signal Framework, or SSF, which coordinates responses to security threats.

18:06Jenn Cutter: That's more of an admin thing, but if you know, you know. And TraceBits security researchers have discovered a way to exploit the open source Gemini CLI coding agent to take sensitive data and send it to a server controlled by the attacker. This is the researchers discovering it before the bad guys do, so this is a good story. The exploit buried a few dozen natural language sentences in a readme file in what was an otherwise entirely harmless package of code. But if a target asked Gemini CLI to describe that package, including the readme file, those buried sentences act as a prompt injection attack that the CLI will read and do what it says.

18:46Jenn Cutter: And that would allow the attacker to connect an attacker's server and pass off environmental variables, which some could include account credentials. They also said you could use this to send commands to delete all the files on a machine or something like that.

19:01Andy Beach: It has been a long time since I heard of a dangerous readme file.

19:05Jenn Cutter: Yeah, right? I know. That kind of fascinated me too.

19:08Andy Beach: Yeah, because again, with the computer setup, I had to tell them, hey, you need to tell your work that you're switching machines because you probably have some stuff that's hardware-coded that you don't even know about. And they're like, oh, that's probably fine. And like, no, it was hardware-coded. No, it's device-bound. They had to tell them. That's good security practice. Exactly. Like, this is important. The difference between a Qi2 phone like the iPhone and a Qi2-ready phone like the Galaxy S is that Qi2-ready phones don't have the magnets that attach the phone to the charger. That magnetic attachment also gives you the faster 15-watt charging.

19:44Andy Beach: You need an added case for that. A new image discovered by Evan Blass shows a Qi2 charger attached magnetically to the back of the forthcoming Pixel 10. This lends credence to the rumor that Google is developing magnetic accessories known as Pixel Snap. We'll all find out the truth after the Made by Google event on August 20th.

20:04Jenn Cutter: Yeah, and just a programming note, we're doing our experiment week that week. And of course, after we determined to do it that week, Google scheduled the Made by Google event. But one of the experiments will be the Android faithful team reacting to the made by Google event announcements. And that'll go in your feed. So you'll get it straight from the source. In March 2024, the U.S. Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Apple saying that it abused its monopoly position in ways that reduces the capabilities of third parties to compete with Apple on five categories. Super apps, cloud streaming game services, messaging apps.

20:42Jenn Cutter: smartwatches, and digital wallets. Now, Apple has actually changed its policies in a few of these cases, but the case is based on how it was acting before it made those changes. And as the case has meandered along, we now reach the point where Apple has filed its full response to the suit. Apple says that if the DOJ were to win its case, it would, quote, degrade the privacy and security benefits of the iPhone. So they're trying to show consumer harm from the other side, right? antitrust is trying to correct consumer harm. So Apple's trying to say, you'll increase it if you do this. And Apple points out that the five points the DOJ cite are design choices, which in Apple's words, are focused on optimizing customer experience and not destroying competitors or making it more difficult for customers to buy another smartphone if they so choose.

21:30Jenn Cutter: The case now moves into the discovery phase where each side can collect evidence for the trial. So it looks like Apple's trying to say, these are not monopoly conditions. You can buy another smartphone anytime you want. We're not trying to stop you. We're not impeding that marketplace. Now, Therat.com has an excellent summary of what counts as a monopoly in the US. It must have market power so significant and durable that it can indiscriminately raise prices or exclude competitors. And its dominant position in the market must be sustainable over time. So the competitive forces of the introduction of new alternatives in this market would not force it to change its business practices.

22:07Jenn Cutter: Apple's saying the market is for the phone and we don't count as a monopoly. We can't indiscriminately raise prices because there is competition. You can go buy a Pixel, you can go buy a Galaxy, and we have not been able to reduce them from offering alternatives. There's all kinds of new phones on the market all the time. The US Department of Justice is gonna argue the marketplace is Apple. The marketplace is the app store, the platform, the operating system. And in that case, you do meet these definitions.

22:36Andy Beach: My mom wanted to change from Android to iPhone just for the messaging emojis to work correctly.

22:42Jenn Cutter: Yeah.

22:43Andy Beach: About a year ago. She's fine with it now, but she was really annoyed by that. I had assumed that that was just like, oh, it was people overreacting online. But then, you know, my mom's like, Jen, what do I do about this? And I was like, you have exactly one option and switching a phone back at the time. Now, like I said, it's fine. They've sorted that one out. Yeah, yeah.

23:03Jenn Cutter: No, it's stuff like that that the DOJ is going to point to, for sure.

23:07Andy Beach: There are lots of little bits of YouTube news to mention today. YouTube began rolling out age estimation tech in the U.S. to identify teen users. The system uses a variety of signals, like activity and length of the account, among others, beyond just the birth date, to determine if it thinks you are younger than 18. If so, it will disable personalized advertising, limit repeat viewing of some content, and add screen time and bedtime reminders. If you are incorrectly identified, you may choose to verify your age with a credit card, government ID, or selfie. Speaking of age restrictions, Australia says it will not exempt YouTube from its prohibition against social media sites working for those younger than 16.

23:53Andy Beach: Details on the law were presented to Parliament on Wednesday. YouTube also changed its rules on profanity. Previously, videos where someone swore in the first 8 to 15 seconds were limited for ad revenue, which was always a very interesting number choice. Now, that will only happen if profanity is used in the thumbnail or title. And finally, Android Authority's Michelle Raman reports that the jump-ahead perk for premium subscribers that uses machine learning to determine the most interesting part of a video is now available on the NVIDIA Shield version of the app. YouTube support pages indicate that it will come to more TV platforms as well.

24:31Jenn Cutter: Yeah, speaking of trends that are unavoidable, the trend of apps being pressured to check for your age is now unavoidable, even when there's not a law about it.

24:40Andy Beach: Yeah, it's frustrating. I did enjoy the Death Stranding 2 hack workaround that went through. I'm very glad that that got good mention.

24:53Jenn Cutter: Yeah, they'll fix that one pretty shortly in the UK. But yeah, it is interesting to see. And I guess it only worked with two of the three providers. So one of them already was resistant to it.

25:06Andy Beach: Yeah, we're going to hear a lot more about VPNs in the very near future. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

25:10Jenn Cutter: A few cryptocurrency news bits for you. As more banks start reacting to the signing of the Genius Act in the U.S., that's the one that clarifies the regulation of stablecoins, JPMorgan Chase has signed a deal with Coinbase that will let customers link your bank account directly to your cryptocurrency wallet. You can link your bank account right now, but it takes three days to do the transfers directly means you can do them faster. RD Technologies announced it will take part in a stablecoin licensing regime launched by Hong Kong's central bank. That'll start on August 1st. And the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission has approved the ability for investors in exchange-traded funds for cryptocurrencies to allow investors to change their shares in the ETF into the underlying cryptocurrency before the currency had to be exchanged into dollars and then the dollars were provided.

25:56Jenn Cutter: So now you can just convert them into Bitcoin or Ethereum or whatever the ETF is about.

26:02Andy Beach: A reminder that Microsoft Authenticator will stop working on August 1st, and Microsoft will delete all the stored passwords in it as a security measure. If you don't want to lose them, you'll need to install Microsoft Edge and log into your Microsoft account to sync them to the Edge browser's password manager.

26:20Jenn Cutter: Security company Palo Alto Networks has agreed to buy CyberArk software. CyberArk makes a suite of identity security tools that can manage organizational access rights, something Palo Alto Networks did not yet offer, and something really hot right now with AI involved in the mix for authentication. This will make Palo Alto Networks more competitive with Okta, Microsoft, Zscaler, and others.

26:44Andy Beach: Opera has filed an antitrust complaint against Microsoft in Brazil. Well, Opera alleges that deals to make Microsoft Edge the only browser on Windows installs create an unfair competitive environment, which, boy, Tom, that sounds a little familiar.

26:59Jenn Cutter: Yeah, we're getting a lot of those. And also this, if you put Internet Explorer, I would have thought was an old story. So, yeah. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper.

27:10Andy Beach: you've heard about ai on screen but what about behind it broadcasters are quietly using ai to rewire how the sausage gets made andy beach explains how andy talk to us about sausage

27:25Jenn Cutter: hi tom how you doing it's good to see you thanks for coming back uh so this is an interesting story that you're talking about uh about some unusual suspects and how they are using some of these AI tools? Yeah, absolutely. So this story was really all about AI and broadcasting, which is an area that gets a lot less coverage. And in part, it's because that is not typically where people think of the innovations right now. The innovations are coming at the model level or maybe in the way studios are creating content or advertising creating content. But really, You know, broadcast at this point is sort of considered a legacy thing.

28:07It's not really an area that's considered by many to be innovation. If anything, it's the area they're just trying to take cost out of constantly. And so this was an opportunity really for several companies from the industry. Gray Meta got called out. Tag Video Systems also got called out to work with broadcasters. PBS, in this instance, was one of them. And it's really around how they can start embedding and layering AI into a variety of their operations. Part of it is to reduce the overall cost that it's taking to do some fundamental things that they're doing. But a big part of it was also around how they go leverage their archive.

28:52The one thing a broadcaster often has is a rich legacy library of information. You know, think about like from from if you're a news station, you've got daily reports that go back sometimes, you know, decades. And just B-roll alone.

29:12Jenn Cutter: Exactly. Something I remember having to pull where you're like, you know, get me a video of the gas station on the corner of Fifth and Irving, you know, stuff like that. And the the the like the dirty secret is nobody's archive is ever in a good good shape. finding that B-roll of the gas station, unless you know exactly where it is, you're not going to be able to go pull it very easily. And so they're looking at how do we go take and leverage all this computer vision and audio transcripting tools to make it easier to have this archive in a format that I can quickly go find a piece at a moment's notice and use it.

29:51And that's just my own uses of it. So technically, that's still kind of a cost savings measure in many ways, because I'm just making it easier to go retrieve a thing. But what they're also starting to show is that once I've got all of that content in this nice, neat data set, that now is potentially a monetizable training thing that a large language model might be interested in coming to you. Maybe they really need the perfect news reporter voice, or they need what the perfect sort of two minute segment looks like. Yeah.

30:23Jenn Cutter: I have actually heard of friends of mine being recruited because they have hundreds and thousands of hours of video. And these companies are like, we need video to train on that other people don't have. Right. And that we can pay you the license fee so that there's no question about the provenance of it. Yeah. And there's two different kinds of sort of payment business models around those licensing data sets. And it's not the, you know, it gets alluded to in this article, but it's certainly not necessarily the major thing they were talking about, but they'll pay a blanket fee for just everything.

31:02You have a million hours of content. Great. We'll pay you, you know, 15 cents a minute for the entire thing and just take it off of your hands. But if you can prove a specific thing, like I've got a hundred hours of like fire engines on site at a burning house. If they need that as a specific thing, that becomes a higher target dollar value that they're willing to buy. And because then you're only buying a smaller set, they don't have to go sift through all of your content to find it.

31:29Jenn Cutter: So it's a little bit of the tail feeding the snake. It's one of those. Like using the models to catalog your video so that you can then monetize it better to sell to people training their models. Absolutely. The more information you know up front about content, likely the more value you're going to be able to get out of it in the long run. And that includes for yourself as well, as you look to reuse it in other future pieces. Now, are there any other examples of this being used to help them reduce the cost of actually operating the station as well? Yeah, absolutely. So they're also looking at, you know, there's a big one with, particularly in the US, but other countries have requirements around transcripting and subtitling and closed captioning and being able to provide that as a public service, that can be costly.

32:19And typically, you have a small enough team that you can only offer it on like one live thing at a time. But if you can put in an automated service that does auto transcription in real time, then you can have multiple things. So you might have, you know, it's very common, particularly for broadcasters to have a primary channel, but many also have secondary digital channels or things that they put out purely online. And being able to offer the same quality output of that, meaning closed captions, maybe closed captions in multiple languages, are immediately something that lowers the time to market with the content and the cost barrier for what you're doing with it.

32:59Jenn Cutter: Yeah. And what about the infrastructure, or just the broadcast operations itself. I mean, that is very old fashioned, but is there anything that they can do there? Yeah, the real-time signal monitoring and looking for some sort of anomalies in it, particularly when it's content that has advertising against it, the biggest sin that you can have is a black frame or some content that simply goes offline. That is the thing that every broadcast overbuilds redundancies for. So being able to have real-time monitoring systems that are looking for potential impacts or potential anomalies to keep you online or to switch you over faster, because there's always typically a secondary broadcast feed that's running.

33:46So that if you lose one or your performance is degraded on one, you cut to the other. And a human can only operate so fast to make that switch. A computer can do that much faster.

33:58Jenn Cutter: Well, Andy, thank you so much for helping us wrap our heads around this. As always, if folks want to find more of your explanations of these kinds of things, where should they go? I'm writing about all of the media and AI technology that I can find out there on Substack, and that's enginesofchange.ai. Fantastic. Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Tom.

34:17Andy Beach: We both came from TV, so obviously I don't want to speak for you, but I love this inside baseball stuff. This is fascinating to me. I have friends in the What's Left of the Archive department at TVO and CBC, and I think they would be extremely interested in hearing about this stuff. Like, I'm old enough that when they need older clips for like, there's been a lot of, I don't want to call it nostalgia news, but like showing older news bits to see how things have evolved over the years. where when I was a kid, I can remember like, oh, yeah, like that kind of thing was around this story. It was after this show.

34:52Andy Beach: But if you're younger and don't have that history, you're going to need some help to find those clips.

34:57Jenn Cutter: Yeah. And another source of money for local TV stations that are strapped. Right. I thought that was interesting as well. Well, folks, we do live streams as well as this show. If you want to catch one of our live streams, just become a subscriber at youtube.com slash Daily Tech News Show.

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36:20Andy Beach: We end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Today, Dan has a question I think a lot of people have.

36:27Jenn Cutter: Yeah, good question, Dan. He says, one thing I keep thinking about passkeys is I believe if we keep them in an app like Bitwarden, then they're no longer as secure. Do I have that correct? But is using passkeys with something like Bitwarden still better than passwords? Just curious. Thank you, Dan. Absolutely yes to your last question. Using passkeys in Bitwarden instead of passwords in Bitwarden is more secure. And the reason I say that without hesitation is the passkey is stored in your instance of Bitwarden only, whereas your password is stored on a server outside of your control at the company that's authenticating you.

37:05Jenn Cutter: And if somebody hacks into their database, they get it, right? So they're less likely to go after every single user and get their passkeys than they are to go after a central server like that. And yes, technically storing anything in a password manager is less secure because if somebody gets into your password manager, then they get all of your passwords. And that's true of passkeys as well. But they also have to be able to authenticate on your device with them because passkeys usually are tied to biometric information. and a lot of times passkeys are device bound, like we were talking about earlier.

37:37Jenn Cutter: So they wouldn't be able to just take the passkey and put it on another device. So there's a lot of reasons why passkeys, even inside a password manager, are still infinitely more secure. But any password manager is going to have that weakness, right? That sort of like, oh, I'm putting everything in one basket.

37:55Andy Beach: I really got to get with the future here. That's very handy information, Tom. Thank you.

37:59Jenn Cutter: Yeah, sure. Anytime. time.

38:02Andy Beach: So what are you thinking about out there? Do you have some insight into a story or another excellent question like Dan's? Please share it with us over at feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com.

38:13Jenn Cutter: Big thanks to Andy Beach and to Dan for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron. Do that at patreon.com slash DTNS. Talk to you soon.

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