Yahoo Launches Its AI Answer Engine Called Scout - DTNS 5193

0:04This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 27th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Andy Beach is back. He's going to help us understand why Bandcamp's ban on AI music is just the beginning. And Yahoo introduced a search product. You're like, wait, didn't they do that in the 90s? This one's built on top of Claude, and it's called Scout. Of course it is. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

0:37and really since when does yahoo make the big story since i don't know if you you and i have ever worked together when yahoo was making the big story maybe the peanut butter too thin memo that's right 20 years ago that's right it's it's been a while i'm sure yahoo's been in the in the news here and there i guess when marissa was leaving we probably talked a lot about yahoo But definitely today's news fits neatly into the what's old is new again slot as well. So let's talk about Yahoo for a little bit. Yahoo Scout is a new free answer engine that attempts to, in quotes, that attempts to blend classic search with a more modern chat style interaction.

1:20You know, we've seen a lot of this stuff, right? The new beta product begins with a simple text box that's embedded across Yahoo Mail, finance, sports, and other Yahoo properties that acts as both a conversational assistant and also an AI translate button specific to Yahoo content. So basically it simplifies, it synthesizes that content, even works on comment threads. So, you know, you could, instead of reading the comments, which lots of people would tell you, don't do that. You could summarize it into quick takeaways. So there's that. There's also a small collection of of quick shortcuts for searches or locations to target with Scout.

2:02That's kind of right there next to the box. Fast Company says the output is less text heavy compared to other LLMs and more reliant on the use of thumbnails, products, tables, things like that. So over time, I guess we'll see, you know, is that the better approach? Is that the approach that's going to make Yahoo visitors is happy we'll find out scout is driven by yahoo's internal knowledge graph that's in combination with like you said at the top anthropics clod also bing's open web apis yahoo ceo jim lanzone said that yahoo built the ai layer itself meaning that they built the product layer and the experience but they're still relying on third-party foundation models behind the scenes for all the magical stuff if you want to call it that.

2:50Landzone says that personalization is on the future roadmap. That's made easier by the fact that Yahoo has around 250 million monthly users. So say what you will about Yahoo. In the U.S., 250 million monthly users, 700 million globally that they can tap into for this. Landzone's also positioning Scout as a publisher-friendly solution that's focused, you know has a real strong focus on sending users to the underlying sources preserving referral flows preserving monetization that sort of stuff um yahoo scout is available today scout.yahoo.com or just in whatever yahoo thing you may be using although i went to yahoo and i tried to find it in whatever yahoo thing i was using and i didn't see it immediately but maybe i was looking in the wrong place i think in some cases it's using it and not telling you uh because i went to the yahoo homepage and I was like, yeah, okay, I don't see any mention of this.

3:45But then there was a little pop-up when I hovered over one thing that said, Yahoo Scout has summarized this article for you. I'm like, oh, okay. So maybe it's smarter for them to just say, look, people forget that Yahoo is still huge. It still has a huge number of users, as you mentioned. We don't need to play up AI. We are not in the business of creating LLMs like Google is. We're not in the business of trying to find uses for our LLMs like OpenAI is. We're just used by people. So I feel like Yahoo has an outside chance of increasing its relevance by saying, we're just making Yahoo better. And people start to go, you know, I've started using Yahoo more because when I do, it summarizes things well without having to think about the fact that like, oh, they stuck AI into it, right?

4:34This could, I'm not saying it will be, I'm saying it could be an example of just using the tools to make your product better instead of using the tool to advertise that you have AI. Yeah, yeah, totally. And I mean, their knowledge graph that I mentioned, you know, that's built on, I saw in one article, 30 ,000 pieces of licensed stories and other content every day. Yeah. Which is just, you know, nuts when you think about that. As well, users are creating 18 trillion called events each year across all of its services. So when you're talking about a company that has access to a very unique and powerful knowledge graph like in some ways it kind of reminds me of of like reddit and the value of the reddit data flow yeah yeah just the amount the sheer amount of people they're creating and sharing and you know all this novel data and information except with reddit it's user created yeah and with yahoo what there is some user creation but with yahoo it's curated and man i'm i don't think you should undersell the desire for people to have curated sources these days i think yeah everybody's running into a situation where they're like i don't know whether to believe this like it's posted by somebody on on x uh and being able to say like oh no yahoo is has got a number of a large number as you said of curated sources i honestly use yahoo finance all the time to read reuters and ap and cnbc and msn and all you know all these things that are otherwise behind a paywall uh so if they can if they can make that better i think i think this is this is something to to pay attention to and as a user might be something that you will find useful if you give it a shot it's it's not just yahoo scout that is important here it's it's making that yahoo ecosystem work a little better um apollo management is the equity fund that owns them uh and i you know equity funds get a a bad rap for just coming in and milking the money out of stuff and then selling it on.

6:34But that's not what Apollo has been doing here. And Apollo doesn't generally do that. Apollo owns Atletico Madrid, the soccer team. Now, granted, you may, as a Madrid fan, say like, yeah, they're not doing a great job, but they don't just come in and buy dead brands. They seem to be trying to make a go of it. Yeah. And bleed them even deader. yeah right which some equity funds do and i think that's what most people think of yeah yeah totally that's what i think of yeah i do wonder like obviously clearly there are a ton of people as we mentioned using yahoo i just wonder if you know do new people see this do new people see this scout thing and go oh maybe i'll give yahoo a chance and i don't know because it is also possible to look at this and be like yeah another site did another ai box that's basically another llm chat interface like what's the deal here um yeah so i wonder if this feature is just really valuable for the people who are already there which is not a horrible thing when you've got that many people there but i'm sure yahoo wants to get more people through the door and i'm not entirely certain that this is going to do that well it became the big story on dtns today So that, not tooting our own horn, but it is a big story out there, right?

7:55We picked it because we're seeing a lot of people talk about it. So that makes people remember that Yahoo exists and maybe go try it. And yeah, I don't know. If it makes it better, then I think more people trying it will lead to more people saying like, yeah, you know, I use Yahoo and it's gotten better over time versus, you know, yeah, I tried that Yahoo Scout thing. I don't know. like I don't know what the difference is between that if that if that ends up being the reaction then I don't think it works for them yeah interesting DTNS is made possible by real humans actually we don't know that we haven't we haven't gone out and verified that you're a real human but we assume you are we believe you are we take it on faith that you are and we are very thankful to you that you are supporting the show directly honestly whether you're a human or not So we thank you, ThatCharlieDude, Justin Zellers, Carmine Bailey, and every single person who supports the show directly.

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8:57There's plenty more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Let's do. Meta is preparing to test new paid features. You're going to have to pay for Facebook, Jason. What? No. No, that is correct. That is not what is going on. These are new paid features. There's subscriptions that they would add to Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp, focusing on perks, power tools, power users. Your core services are going to stay free. Meta plans to test a variety of features and bundles like access to the Vibes video generation app. Capabilities powered by Manus, the autonomous agent startup that Meta is in the process of acquiring.

9:36This is actually not that different from what Google does. You want to use the most modern VO, then you got to pay for the subscription. Paid features will also include access to higher volume posting, enhanced content creation, agent-like services, also powered by Manus, that'll help you complete certain tasks across your consumer and business products with minimal input required from you, the user. We don't know the details of this yet. Some things have been leaked out, but we don't have pricing. We don't have details. It does appear that these will be separate from MetaVerified, which is the existing subscription that not only gives you verification, but gives you some other creator tools, you know, to help supercharge discoverability and stuff.

10:16So then if you're a creator or a brand and you want all this, I guess you have to do both subscriptions. I mean, I'll be very curious to see. Yeah, I'd be curious if there's a bundle, you know, you can get meta verified or the new things or get them all together in one mega meta. It'd be a meta plan, obviously. A meta plan. Yeah, exactly. No, comparing comparing to Google, I think, is really spot on. This is exactly what Google does. to a large degree, just kind of giving you those supercharged capabilities. Lots of credit. I think the Vibes app has been credit-based, and now if it's part of the subscription, one would imagine that maybe the credits go away and it's just kind of like unlimited use or who knows what it's going to be.

11:00It sounds like they're going to be playing with a lot of different permutations and kind of combos around how they bundle these things together. So I'll be really curious to see what the value is when it's all bundled together. it's actually really useful makes sense to me that they would target creators and businesses uh apparently there's going to be a business related plan here too brands businesses whatever you want to call it uh i you know the people who are trying to reach out on the platforms pay for better tools that allow them to make more money by reaching more people and the users uh who are actually the product shouldn't have to pay anything because they're already paying with their eyeballs mm-hmm and manis has a pretty strong reputation in a short amount of time for what it's capable of from an agentic perspective so i'm really curious to see how that will uh integrate and kind of you know go across their uh their different platforms yes and i want another price yes and that's very important yes exactly uh you know they'll have another 200 plan isn't that the that's the thing right of course yeah just 200 a month just it'll pay for itself i wish it would really sonos is ending its self-imposed hardware freeze with amp multi it's a pro-grade rack mountable digital amplifier aimed at installers building large luxury home audio setups so this isn't necessarily a consumer product let's say the unit can power up to four independent sonos zones with eight 125 watt outputs supporting up to 24 sonos architectural speakers so we're talking about large format here a dedicated rack kit enables the unit to disappear into infrastructure while the sonos app as has been the case continues to be the user facing control surface amp multi is one way that sonos is aiming to deepen its role to be kind of the backbone of smart homes as i said embedded into the walls instead of sitting on a shelf so this is really kind of designed to be the sort of thing that you build into the home and it's not just something that you replace every five years it's like part of the the architecture literally sonos um as we have definitely talked about in years past froze its hardware development after releasing a rewritten version of its app that removed uh popular features broke some basic functionality so badly in fact that it really had a negative impact on on user trust there were lots of forums you know full of people who were very upset and committing themselves to not buying any future Sonos products that led to a very dramatic decline in revenue.

13:34That's the important part. Forums full of mad people tells me nothing. Decline in revenue? Okay. Yeah, exactly. It all added up. This hardware, like I said earlier, might not be meant for consumers, right? This is a higher level, but it does show that Sonos is back into the business of creating its hardware and you know potentially this signals uh that it's start firing up again its development and release of hardware um post all of that backlash right sonos says the hardware launches will ramp up in the second half of its fiscal 2026. uncertain if those are going to be aimed at consumers as opposed to this which is not but um important moment i i guess for for sonos where they're at no pricing or availability for for the AMP multi has been released outside of sometime in the coming months.

14:23Yeah. And the revenue for Sonos was likely to decline anyway, because they were getting more competition from Google Home, Amazon Echo, even Apple. So, you know, the Sonos magic - A lot of those exclusive features too. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, you pay extra for those features and now suddenly they're just automatically - You can just get them, right? So it makes sense to me that they would try pivoting to the installer, the high-end market that is a more lucrative market. If you can break into it, it's not a given that they'll break into it. But yeah, this probably was going to happen anyway.

15:00Let's remove the whole anger around the app change. They might've ended up here anyway. Certainly a different path than they intended to take to get there if that was the case. Yeah. I don't have like firsthand like like i've always had google homes in the house so we haven't had sonos throughout the house my wife however she owns a business she owns a gym and she does have sonos speakers in her gym and just very anecdotally and just because you know i'm married to her and i hear the complaints you know um her opinion of the sonos software in the last couple of years has not been great so you know i'll be curious to see like the people who have abandoned ship and bailed on Sonos.

15:44Is that a reputation that Sonos can overcome with the creation of new hardware, better software support, that sort of stuff? And if so, how long is it going to take? Or maybe they just kind of shift their strategy and they're like, look, you know what? Maybe the consumer kind of inside of the industry is less important. This is where we can really excel. And maybe this is a part of that. You know who knows this industry really closely is Patrick Norton, because he works in it. So you know what? we should we'll we'll reach out and see if we can get patrick to comment on this as well yeah amazon is pulling the plug on all 72 amazon fresh and amazon go stores makes it sound like they're just gonna like like pull something out of the wall and then they deflate and then fly away uh they're closing them they're closing the amazon fresh and amazon go stores in the united states uh they've had these available in some form or another for around a decade uh the go stores are cashierless.

16:40The fresh stores have easy checkout, depends on which one you go into, but they're more like a mid-market grocery store. They will shut down February 1st everywhere except California, where the California labor laws require them to give an extra 45 days notice. A handful of the locations will be converted into Whole Foods. That's what I was wondering, that's going to happen. And Amazon's going to shift its retail brick and mortar grocery store juice into the, I guess, cold press juice into the Whole Foods business, and also focusing on improving its online delivery strategy. Amazon says this is a strategic move in light of the fact that Whole Foods is going like gangbusters.

17:23They've opened an additional 100 plus new Whole Foods stores on top of the current 550 plus footprint across the US, Canada, and the UK. Amazon says it's planning to continue to experiment with concepts in physical retail. It sounds like they're saying Amazon Fresh didn't work as a separate brand. We're going to double down on Whole Foods for the grocery brand and then try other physical stores. For example, it's building out a 230 ,000 square foot super center in suburban Chicago that will not only have groceries, but also general merchandise. So more like a Walmart or even a Target superstore.

17:55And that is set to open in 2027. I mean, Amazon Fresh, Amazon Go, these were, God, I remember us talking, well, I think I talked about this on Tech News Today. It was after you had started DTNS. But I remember talking about this a decade ago and just this idea that like you walk into a store and you grab the thing and you just walk out and thinking like, oh, my goodness, is that the future of grocery? That's really interesting and kind of strange. But when I think about Whole Foods, like we're not quite there with what Whole Foods is. and Whole Foods wasn't on Amazon's roadmap at the time. But I'm sure some of the quick checkout stuff that they have now at Whole Foods came from some of their experiments here.

18:37It did. Absolutely did. Like the handprint. Yeah. Pay by palm. We have a Whole Foods store not far from us where you can scan your hand on the way in and then you just walk out. Like they're using all of the tech, but it's a Whole Foods. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. So, I mean, Whole Foods is obviously a very strong brand. and like you said, a lot of growth. So I don't know. I think it makes sense to me that Amazon might just be like, look, we didn't have Whole Foods before, but we do now, and it's going crazy. Why don't we just put all our energy into that? And then, of course, Whole Foods often act as little mini fulfillment centers as well for Amazon products, so that increases its capabilities of delivering fast food.

19:19If I have to return an Amazon product, I go to my local Whole Foods. Yes, there you go. It has become the local Amazon hub for that. I think they wondered if maybe they could shift the Whole Foods brand somehow. Not get rid of it, but change it and found out that no, they can't. It's the Amazon brand that doesn't work in the grocery store business. I went to some Amazon Fresh stores to try them out. I never felt I needed to go back. They always felt kind of like not quite everything I needed from Ralph's, which is our mid-market grocery store chain here. but also not as specialty-oriented and quality-oriented as Whole Foods or Trader Joe's or anything like that.

20:02So it was a weird, they never quite were able to capture the market of the Safeway, Kroger area there. And I think this is them realizing it and saying, but we're really good at retail, so maybe we should just keep Whole Foods doing what it does well, which is groceries, and go after Target and Walmart. and Walmart's increasingly going after Amazon in the online space. It feels like Amazon might want to go after them in the brick and mortar space. There you go. All right, folks, I want to tell you about something you may not realize we do here, honest reviews. Yeah, I know, you're used to all those lying reviews out there, but we have honest reviews from people who actually bought and live with the tech.

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21:31finally we have some quick headlines that are just good to know and might make you look pretty smart in the future yeah like if people are like what's going on with whatsapp you can say oh well whatsapp is rolling out a one-tap strict mode that blocks unknown media links and calls giving users stronger protection against sophisticated attacks including disabling link previews silencing unknown colors and blocking media from unknown centers you know and so they would go wow you're so smart you know so much about what's up where did you memorize that and also you could say as part of proceedings enforcing the DMA that's the Digital Markets Act in the EU the EU told Google to open up Android and its search data so that rival AI assistants and search engines of course, get the same deep access as Gemini and Google search.

22:20So DMA and the EU basically saying like, hey, you've got some pretty strong connectivity with Gemini into these devices. Everyone should have a piece of that. If you have$2 ,900 and you live in the United States, on January 30th, you could not have$2 ,900 anymore, but have a Samsung Galaxy Z trifold, because that's when it goes on sale in the U.S. and that's its price. Oh, okay. Nice. Electric cars outsold pure petrol vehicles in the EU for the first time in December 2025. This is according to data from auto industry group ACEA. Hybrids holding onto the top spot in market share. Yeah, they got all those less expensive Chinese electric vehicles.

23:05So I guess that is having an effect. And then Apple shipped 26.2.1 versions of iOS, iPadOS, and watchOS that unlock that longer range that we talked about for the AirTags, keep iMessage, FaceTime, and device activation alive on hardware, dating back to the iPhone 5S. What? That's right. If you have an iPhone, if you're the person who has an iPhone 5S, you've got a software update that'll be good through at least 2027. That was iPhone 5S was released by Apple Friday, September 20th, 2013. Yes, and Veronica got married the next day. I remember this because I was attending the ceremony and the 5S came right as I was about to get in the car and drive up to where they were having the wedding.

23:56And so I set it up in my hotel room at Veronica's wedding. Oh, so some of your earliest pictures taken with that phone. With the 5S or at that wedding. Yeah, absolutely. How cool. Those are the essentials for today. Shall we dive a little deeper? Yes, indeed. And I love this topic, Bandcamp. I've got music on Bandcamp. Bandcamp's really cool. Well, Bandcamp decided to ban AI slop. And Tom, you spoke with Andy Beach about whether this is a strategy more platforms can and will embrace. Andy Beach, welcome back. Hi, Tom. So we reported earlier about Bandcamp saying we are not going to allow anything that is significantly made of AI.

24:38I thought it was good that they didn't just ban any kind of AI. They said, look, if you use it here and there judiciously, it's fine. But if the majority of your composition is generated, it doesn't belong on Bandcamp. Now, I think most people look at that as a principled stand by a principled company. Bandcamp has always been very pro-artist. very independent. Do you think this is a strategy that you might see others adopt, or is this just a Bandcamp thing? Oh, I think it's far from Bandcamp, but I thought it was a great and sort of emblematic piece. And you're absolutely right. For all the reasons you just said, Bandcamp didn't come out of this saying we're anti-AI.

25:20They want to be anti-ambiguous. They made a good set of declarative rules. This is the swim lane we're going to be in. You have to be human first. It doesn't mean that there can't be AI in there, but it has to be a human at the steering wheel. And it can't turn into what we think of as slop today. And so I think principle is a good way of putting it. I think we'll see more platforms do this. But then I think we're also going to see the emergence of areas where it's like all AI all the time. Like I think this leaves a marketplace for the slop effectively. And we won't think of the slop as the slop in that place.

26:07It'll just be the funny AI versions. Maybe today it's Sonos and Sora are two good examples of the all AI all the time versions of it. But I bet there's more out there. I think it's another example of when you think of the extreme cases, it's very obvious. We don't want slop. We don't want stuff that's not very good. And Bandcamp taking a principled stand makes sense, but it makes sense for Spotify to say, yeah, we don't want slop either. And Spotify has started to try to put in some rules to limit that. But when it gets interesting is when people really want the weird country and Western songs that have been made on Suno, which has become a huge viral trend.

26:51And if those are banned by Bandcamp, probably doesn't affect people that much. If those are banned on Spotify and YouTube, well, suddenly people are like, hey, those are fun. Where can I go to get those? And maybe a specialty platform is the place. What if we take it even closer to the middle and say, what about an artist who is embracing these tools and using them? And technically the majority of their composition is generated but not generated in that you wrote a prompt and it wrote the song every piece was generated and then interwoven and i don't know maybe band camp would say actually that that would fall that would be okay because human first uh because the human assembled it but somebody's going to argue like yeah but if they didn't play any instruments and it's all generated sounds well that's substantially generated uh and i i feel like we we would have some backlash and some fights about that.

27:44Yeah, no, I agree. I think we're in an interesting definition period where we're all having to move past the big A, big I conversation around what these things are and be a little more finite around, you know, where is it acceptable? Where is it not acceptable? And this is a great example of it. I think a thing that we are still lacking that will help in this conversation more and more is that it still is a little ambiguous around how we better authenticate how real something is. In other words, how much AI is in this piece of content. There's not a filter I can run on it today that says, oh, this is 75 % original and it's 25 % AI.

28:30It's just not there yet because there's not enough standards in place for us to do that sort of authenticity chain from end to end. We're working on it and people are building towards it and there's programs that are working on it, but that's a thing that has to evolve. It just doesn't magically happen overnight. So we're in that sort of that liminal space as that is emerging, where we're also having healthy debates around defining what is the acceptable amount that I want to and how is it okay that it's used and how is it not okay that it's used, because that all makes it then easier to enforce when we have the tools in place that allow us to have more of almost a filtering guideline that says, oh, when I come to this, like there may be some future day where Bandcamp can say, you know what, put all the AI in here you want, because now we have filtering tools.

29:19And in your settings, you can just turn off and say, I don't ever want to see any AI in Bandcamp. Yeah. And that is something that we've seen other platforms, other smaller platforms put into place, right? And maybe that's a better way to do it. I think this is an exception to one of the rules I try to follow when I make mental models of this sort of thing, which is I try to encourage judging on results, not methods, because we tend to get a better outcome from our rulemaking if we do that, right? Because sometimes if you judge on the methods, well, the method could be used in a lot of different ways.

29:57If you judge on results, then you're just, you're going for the aim you want. In this case, it would be like, I don't want any bad music. I only want good music. So don't judge on the method, judge on the outcome. If the AI generated music is really good, let it happen. The problem there is we've never done that on these platforms. We've never said, I'm sorry, Tom, your music sucks. So you can't be on Spotify. And so there's not an easy way in this case to judge on the results other than maybe some kind of user rating thing, which would easily be gamed. So I think you do have to judge on the methods in this case.

30:35And it becomes subjective to be figuring out like, well, how much is OK and how much is allowed? And what if you do make something really good, but it goes over the methodological line? But, and again, this is sort of a moment in time scenario too, where today you could say that if something's 95 % AI, it probably is terrible in three years might sound great. And we might have to rechange what the policy looks like at that point, but Bandcamp specifically will no doubt have to sort of rethink how it gets implemented. So again, it's a scenario that's right for the moment. And I like the way that they stated it because again, it leaves room for there to be AI usage.

31:23And it didn't say that AI is a bad guy here, but it put boundaries around how it gets used. And I think that potentially changes over time as this goes on. This is evolutionary. We're going to continue to come back and have this conversation. And that's totally healthy. That's not a bad thing that we continually do it because again, culturally, our feelings about it will change from year to year as we move through this and as AI rapidly changes. Yeah. So to remind people, Bandcamp's guidelines state that you can't put music that is generated wholly or in substantial part by AI. I would ask them to go read Andy's column about why you shouldn't just call it AI.

32:09but you know they did use generative which is one of the categories we talked about so i think that's a you know it's it's a good place like it's a good starting space it's not a bad ruling it's it's actually pretty respectful and and it is principled and i think we just need to keep having conversations like this and be open to it and not get our hackles up indeed uh thank you for keeping the hackles down for everyone if folks want to find places that will not raise their hackles to read about your opinions on things? Where should they go? So I write about media and AI technology and the convergence of those two elements constantly over at enginesofchange.ai.

32:46That's my sub stack. Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Tom. Now, Jason, you're a musician. How are your hackles? My hackles are, I don't even, I don't, I can't even keep with the, I don't even know what a hackle could be um but my hackle's good you know it's all right um i think when i when i listen to this though what comes to mind for me as a musician as someone who has played around with some of these services for like inspiration or creating elements within a song is like what is too much like i might have composed 80 of this this song playing my own instruments but i'm a horrible drummer and so i get ai to generate the entire drum track yeah and that's like beginning you know beginning to end it's a generated drum track but the the foundation of the song that's just one element you know and so it's it's definitely a one of those blurry lines and how much different is that from garage band which couldn't well exactly you could go into garage band and say give me a rock beat and sure it's using like stored samples and you can go in there and edit it if you want but i'm like we're probably going to be able to edit these ai generations anyways We already can in certain ways.

33:57So yeah, it's a real kind of interesting position it's in right now. Yeah. And thanks again to Andy for helping us talk about it in a rational and hopefully helpful way. Yes, indeed. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today Marty writes that he too has found productivity increases with coding tools, but he also has one particular concern regarding the story of curl pulling its bug bounty program that we talked about last week so so marty says this is actually a growing issue and negative effect we're seeing with ai in the open source dev space zig tldraw and curl have all stopped taking contributions because of low quality contributions tailwind recently laid off 75 of their staff because revenue is down because of ai summarizing their docs instead of people visiting their docs where they get ad money.

34:50And there are more stories like this as of late. While you may not have heard of a lot of these projects, a lot of these are core foundational libraries used in most apps today. Tailwind is the standard for any new project in the last several years for styling websites and web apps, for example. If for whatever reason we start to lose the ability for open source teams to continue to support their projects, I fear we may start to see some nasty knock-on effects in a few years from now. And he pointed out that old XKCD cartoon of like the structure of the internet. And then there's one tiny little block deep down underneath the structure that's like open source project maintained by one guy that it all rests on.

35:30But yes, thank you. Thank you, Marty, for pointing that out. I think it is. I've seen it covered, but it's a somewhat undercovered aspect of this. And not that Tailwind can't find another way to support than ads, but it is a problem that they have to figure out how to deal with. Yeah, indeed. Indeed. Interesting. Thank you, Marty. Yeah. Thank you, Marty. And thank you folks for writing in. We love getting your insights on these stories like Marty's here. Really appreciate it. Share it with us. Why don't you? Feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Yeah. Big thanks to Andy Beach. Thanks again to Marty for contributing to today's show.

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