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Dateline NBC Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title
Sean Combs: "Jane's" Last Day and More Combs Recordings Episode Release Date: June 12, 2023 Hosted by: Andrea Canning Featuring: NBC News correspondent Chloe Malas
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Episode Overview This episode is part of a special series titled "On Trial," which provides daily coverage of Sean Combs' ongoing racketeering trial. Combs has pled not guilty to all charges, and the episode focuses on the cross-examination of a key witness, referred to as "Jane," who is testifying under a pseudonym. The witness claims to have been subjected to coercive relationships involving Combs, while the defense argues she was a willing participant.
Key Themes
- Witness Testimony: Jane provides her account of the relationship, which includes discussions of hotel nights and interactions with male escorts.
- Controversial Voice Messages: Both the prosecution and defense present voice messages from Combs to illustrate their narratives regarding the nature of the relationship.
- Complexities of Consent: The episode highlights the conflicting interpretations of Jane's testimony and the messages exchanged between her and Combs, raising questions about consent and coercion.
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Detailed Breakdown
- Introduction to the Case
- Context: The episode opens with a reminder of the serious nature of the trial content, warning listeners of graphic details.
- Key Players:
- Sean Combs (Defendant): Accused of racketeering and related charges.
- Jane (Witness): Claims she was coerced into activities during her relationship with Combs.
- Cross-Examination Highlights
- Defense Strategy: The defense attempts to portray Jane as a willing participant rather than a victim, presenting voice messages to support this view.
- Key Testimony: Jane admits to still having feelings for Combs, complicating the narrative of coercion.
- Voice Messages Analysis
- Defense's Key Messages:
- First Voice Note: Combs refers to Jane as "crack pipe," suggesting a playful intimacy but also a dependence on her affection.
- Second Voice Note: Suggests Jane's initiative in planning hotel nights, which the defense argues supports their claim of her being an active participant.
- Contrasting Interpretations:
- Jane contends that the messages reflect a coercive undercurrent rather than genuine consent, asserting she felt pressured to meet Combs' sexual preferences.
- Emotional Dynamics
- Combs' Reaction: The episode discusses a moment when Combs appeared emotional while listening to Jane's testimony about their final phone conversation, indicating the complicated nature of their relationship.
- Future of the Trial
- Prosecution's Next Steps: Questions arise about the upcoming witnesses and how they will further the prosecution's case against Combs.
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Key Takeaways
- Dual Narratives: The episode illustrates how both sides are utilizing voice messages to construct opposing narratives, creating a complex legal battle.
- Consent Issues: It questions the nature of consent within the relationship and how emotional attachments complicate legal definitions of coercion.
- Public Interest: The ongoing developments in the trial are closely followed, reflecting societal interests in celebrity culture and legal accountability.
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Conclusion Listeners are encouraged to stay tuned for further developments and are directed to subscribe to the NBC newsletter, “Diddy On Trial,” for continuous updates on the case.
Production Credits
- Produced by Frannie Kelly with contributions from the Dateline True Crime Weekly team.
- Senior Producers: Alison Orr and Liz Brown-Kurloff.
- Executive Producers: Paul Ryan and Liz Cole.
- Original Music: Jesse McGinty.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01This is On Trial, a special series from Dateline True Crime Weekly, bringing you daily coverage from the Sean Combs racketeering trial. He has pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. I'm Andrea Canning, and it's Thursday, June 12th. Just a heads up, in this episode, we're going to be talking about some graphic details and harrowing subject matter. It is day six on the witness stand for Jane, who is testifying under a pseudonym. She's the single mom who the prosecution says spent three years being forced into hotel nights by Combs. The defense says quite the opposite. She was a willing and sometimes eager participant.
0:41Today, the defense continued their cross-examination of Jane, confronting her with text messages, voicemails, and even voice notes she got from Combs during their relationship. We're going to play you two recordings the defense played earlier in the week so you can get a sense of what the jury is hearing. NBC News correspondent Chloe Malas is back, joining us from her spot on the sidewalk outside the courthouse. Hey, Chloe. Hey, Andrea. Let's start with these two messages that were played by Combs' attorney, Tenny Garagos, on Tuesday, actually. That was the day that the defense began their cross-examination of Jane.
1:15And I was surprised by how far they went into the complicated feelings Jane seems to have about Combs. This is a couple that didn't break up a couple years ago. This is a couple that were together as of just a few months ago. They were dating up until Combs' arrest. And on the stand, she has testified that she did these hotel nights with these male escorts because she didn't want Combs to feel judged for being what he was into sexually. So, Tenny Garagos, who is one of Combs' attorneys, she's the one who's leading this cross-examination of Jane. And I remember I was, like, taking all these notes when she said this on Tuesday.
1:59She said, you loved him, right? Jane testified, yes. Tenny Garagos then says, currently. And she says, I do. And also keep in mind that this is the first time that Jane is seeing Combs since they broke up. So it's playing out almost like an X-rated soap opera. Yeah, no kidding. Chloe, that's the context for the voice note that we're about to play. You actually talked about it earlier in the week. You said this message was used by the defense to show that Combs wasn't, quote, holding a metaphorical gun to Jane's head before she engaged in these sexual performances with escorts. So let's take a listen to it.
2:36Hey, baby, we had a great time. Stay in the light. It's all good. Get your rest. You are the crack pipe. That's my new name for you, crack pipe. Should I call you CP? But yeah, I don't I want you to stay in the light. You know what I'm a very, very good time together. Like, so much, so much, so much, so much, so much fun. So much fun. Now go rest up. Get in your bag. Mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah. You know what I'm saying? Got your contract. Find a nice little spot. Put your mind at ease. And, um, you had a great time. And I really, really want you to get some rest. I didn't know about you throwing up and all that.
3:28That's when I was like, hold up a second. All right, get some rest, baby. Love. It's kind of hard to hear now, given all the information that we now know from this trial. Yes, I mean, bizarre nickname to call her his crack pipe. But what he's basically saying is that he was addicted to her love, addicted to her sex. And when he says in the voice note, get in your bag, we learned through Jane's testimony that that was something that he would say about get back to work, like focus on your career, your dreams, get back into your routine. So that's him being supportive. And when it comes to you got your contract, remember we've talked about Jane testifying about this love contract that she would participate in these hotel nights as long as he paid her rent.
4:18and we know that he's still paying that$10 ,000 a month rent of her L.A. home to this day and her legal fees. Yeah, I mean, that's certainly an argument for the defense to make when you listen to that. So let's listen to another, this is a voice note that the defense played, and they played this to show Jane's initiative in all of this. So if you come in for 24 hours, yeah, you always wanted to set some s*** up. So now you got the opportunity. So set some s*** up for tomorrow night. That last vision we had, that was dawn in ATL. See, put it together, baby. Okay, so Jane on the stand, she said that she heard that differently than the defense heard it.
5:09You know, I think that what's really interesting, Andrea, is that you're hearing a lot from the prosecution that these women, Cassie Ventura, Jane, you know, Mia, were forced to participate in things that they didn't want to. But when you're listening to this particular voice note, Combs is saying, you've always wanted to set some up, meaning you've always wanted to set up one of these hotel nights and now you have the opportunity to. And we have heard Jane testify that she would, on her own accord, and hire some of these escorts, text them, call them, fly them in without Combs even knowing that it would be a surprise for him.
5:52She testified that she did that, though, because there was this undertone, this undercurrent that Combs wanted that. What was really going on is that she was actually trying to get out of this hotel night. But again, it's her word versus his, and it really muddies the waters here when it comes to sex trafficking. Right. And earlier this week, the prosecution played messages he sent to Jane as well. So both sides are choosing the ones they think show the version of Combs they want to show. I really don't know what's going on with you, but I just want to just give you a heads up that I'm about to really disappear on you.
6:29You feel me? I'm not going to be playing these games with you at all, at all. So I don't know you think you silent treating me, and you think I'm going to be, nah, you'll have a rude awakening. We've already heard Tenny Garagosantria say that, like, there's thousands of voice notes, so obviously they're picking the ones that best fit them. Yeah. A lot of today's questions were about the end of their relationship. Chloe, you say that Combs seemed to get emotional at one point? So we're not exactly sure, because earlier in the morning I saw him blowing his nose, So I actually thought to myself that maybe he was sick.
7:05But today he was listening to her talk about a final phone conversation. And he was seen taking a handful of tissues, putting them up to his eye. Not sure if he was crying or what happened, but we'll definitely keep you posted on that. Chloe, are we done with Jane now? Yes. Prosecutors had always said that they needed to get her off the stand by Thursday. But really, the big question remains is who else is the prosecution planning to call before they hand things over to Combs' team to begin their defense? Okay. Thank you so much, Chloe. See you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to everyone else. We'll be back with a new episode tomorrow.
7:44If you want to read the latest developments and analysis from inside the courtroom, check out the NBC newsletter, Diddy on Trial. Go to NBCnews.com slash Diddy to find that. On Trial is produced by Frannie Kelly with help from the Dateline True Crime Weekly team. Our senior producers are Alison Orr and Liz Brown-Kurloff. Original music by Jesse McGinty. Paul Ryan is executive producer. And Liz Cole is senior executive producer of Dateline.
From the publisher
Both sides have played voice messages Combs sent this witness, who's testifying under a pseudonym, over the course of their three-year relationship. They're trickling out to the press as exhibits are released days later. The defense says the ones made public on Thursday show "Jane" taking the initiative to set up "hotel nights" without Combs' requesting one. But she testified that the defense was missing the point of the messages. "The undertone of that is -- I hear these things entirely differently," said "Jane."
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