Talking Dateline: Deadly Dance

0:08Hi, everyone. I'm Blaine Alexander, and we are talking Dateline. Today, I'm here with Andrea Canning. Hi, Andrea. Hey, Blaine. So this episode is called Deadly Dance. If you haven't seen it, it's the episode right below this one on your Dateline podcast feed. So go there, listen to it, or stream it on Peacock, and then come right back here. For this Talking Dateline, we have an extra clip from Andrea's interview with Ashley Benefield's therapist, Dr. Barbara Russell. But just a quick recap. In 2020, former ballerina Ashley Benefield claimed that she acted in self-defense after fatally shooting her husband, Doug Benefield.

0:42But when investigators took a closer look into the couple's whirlwind relationship, they learned of abuse allegations, a bitter custody dispute, even an accusation of a previous murder. To investigators, the tumultuous relationship mixed with the physical evidence pointed to one thing, and that's murder. Okay, Andrea, let's talk Dateline. Let's do it. So the big question, who is Ashley Benefield? I mean, I think that's the question from all angles. So she's a former ballerina, a swimsuit model. She enters Doug Benefield's life, and they get married within 13 days of first meeting. What makes someone get married after 13 days?

1:21I don't know. We touched on a little bit of their first encounter where they were at a dinner party. And so I guess Ashley and Doug, they go outside, and he's into guns. She's into guns, apparently. and she has like a gun, like, you know, tucked in her bra, like a tiny gun. I was like, how did she fit that in there? And she was wearing, you know, we don't get into all these crazy details in the show, right? But she was wearing one of those bandage apparently dresses. So it's like, how did that like fit in there? And then not only that, which also didn't make the show because, you know, for time, I guess she takes them out to her car and she's got a, like a, a semi-automatic weapon in the trunk of her car.

2:07She's got a big gun in there too. So a mutual love of firearms right out of the gate with these two. But they definitely seem to have a lot in common from the get-go. He was military, you know, Republicans, the guns, you know, God. And also, I think that to go from a dinner party where you're talking about whatever you're talking about to like, hey, come outside and look at my guns. I just wonder how you make that conversation leave. But it was, you know, as you know, I write these Hallmark movies, and we call them meet-cutes, where the couple first meets in the movie. This would not make a Hallmark movie.

2:44I'm just saying that. It's probably one of the most, if it did, it would be one of the most creative Hallmark movies or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, let's say that that was an interesting meeting. But to go from that to I do in 13 days is so interesting, right? So like, the question is, was this infatuation? Was it just love? Or did Ashley have some sort of a hidden agenda in all of this? I think Doug's family, his brother and his cousin anyway, felt that she was, you know, into this, he's an older man, she's thinking he has money, he has status. So I think that they felt that there was an agenda there.

3:16I don't think that anyone questions that she was into him. Like, I think there was also some, you know, infatuation there as well, not just the, what she was getting out of it. But I think that was probably what they feel was sort of driving the infatuation, the power, the money that she thought he had. I should say, Dr. Barbara Russell, the therapist, she says that Ashley was really in love with Doug. So that's coming from the other side, that this was not about necessarily money and status and all that. It was like that she did love him. One question I had when we heard about her dream to open this ballet studio, I wonder, to your point about money, like how much did Doug have to do with giving her the money to open that studio and making it possible?

4:02Doug definitely helped with the studio. Her dream kind of became his dream. So they moved to Charleston and, you know, Ashley's dream was to start a ballet company that would be all inclusive. So it would be all different ethnicities. It would be all different weights, all different sizes, heights, backgrounds. So it was a very interesting idea because, you know, ballerinas and ballet dancers in general are, you know, somewhat cookie cutter, right? So I do commend her. I kind of thought it was a really fun idea to have all these different kinds of people come together. And Charleston is such a tourist destination that it would be a fun thing to put on your list.

4:50You know, when you go to Charleston, you know, you go for the food, you can go watch this interesting ballet. So Doug was apparently all in on that to help her. So did, I mean, your question, did she go after him for money? You know, I don't know. But as we know, it didn't, you know, the company never really got off the ground. They made some major inroads with the company and then it just fell apart. You know, the other big thing, of course, she got pregnant and she became a mom. I'm assuming that she really wanted children because she was pregnant relatively soon after they got married. And that became kind of the just kind of like a central focus when you talk about, you know, this poor girl who was really caught in the middle of all of this.

5:32Yeah, it was. I mean, it's exhausting just hearing about the fighting that was going on over their daughter, Emerson. It really became this the focus of their fighting. I was so fascinated by this because from the beginning, it wasn't this question of like, oh, who did it, right? Like we knew that she pulled the trigger, but why? Why did she do it? You know, this was a conversation that I really had with the prosecutors about when there are abuse allegations, of course, you want to believe the victim, right? We all want to believe the victim, you know, that this is very serious. This is something that women and men go through in this country, and it's awful, and we know too many times it can end in murder.

6:14And so that was the tricky part for the prosecutors because these prosecutors did not believe that Ashley was being abused. So it's a fine line. It was even a fine line for me doing the dateline because I didn't want anyone thinking that I don't believe abuse victims. It is tricky, right? When there are cases sometimes where the person really wasn't abused. And was that the case here? You know, I don't know. I'm not, I would never wade into that. It was difficult to almost present that and difficult for the prosecutors. I could imagine that would be tricky. It really was a delicate kind of balance that they had to strike.

6:55They had to be delicate with it. I thought that it was so striking that Eva at the end, Doug's daughter from a previous marriage, It came out and kind of addressed, almost apologized to women who suffered from domestic violence or really brought that forward, too. When we get back, we've got a bonus clip from Andrea's interview with Ashley Benefield's therapist.

7:22So let's go to the crime scene because there was something that was very unusual about this. Very soon after Doug Benefield was shot, we saw all of these people kind of start showing up for Ashley. Lawyers, her therapist. How unusual is something like that? Well, the police thought it was unusual. So she had three attorneys. And one of the attorneys was at the police station, like, immediately. It did seem like they were on speed dial. Dr. Barbara Russell, she actually showed up at the active crime scene. And the detective was like, why are you here? She said she was called by Ashley's mother who was there.

8:00So we have an extra clip with Dr. Russell about, you know, arriving at this crime scene. The lead investigator accused you of sort of butting into the investigation at the scene. Yes. What was your logic on getting involved? The investigator was, as well as some of the child protective workers, The workers who couldn't care less about this child's safety while Doug was alive were now suddenly so concerned about her safety. They took Ashley's mother into the garage of this home to question her. I did not feel that that was appropriate. The woman was in a state of shock. She was terrified. So I kept popping my nose into the garage.

8:45Hi, guys. How we doing? We almost done? I'm really glad that we had the voice of Dr. Russell because I do think that she said so much about Ashley. I wonder if there were questions about, you know, to be there on the scene, to be so involved, was it possible that she was overstepping her bounds as a therapist to be there? I mean, first of all, we should be clear that the investigator and CPS workers say they were always concerned about Emerson's safety and police deny doing anything inappropriate at the scene. You could tell when I interviewed the detective he didn't love the tone of Dr. Russell, you know, at the crime scene and thought it was a little odd.

9:22And Dr. Russell goes on to say how she spent the night taking care of Ashley, making sure that she was okay. She says they did not talk about the shooting. But this is where people also had problems, is that Ashley ends up moving in with Dr. Russell. And how long did they live together, would you say? I want to say it was in the months. When I first read the note before I interviewed Dr. Russell from Rob Buchanan, our producer, I was like, moved in like they're like together? Together? Yes, exactly. And then he's like, no, no, she needed a place to live. And she had, you know, no money. And so Dr.

10:02Russell, you know, she defended herself. She said that they were never friends. She said that this was strictly, you know, therapist-client relationship, that Ashley was down and out. Ashley needed a place to live, and so she opened her house. And she said she never would have opened her house if she thought she was a, you know, cold-blooded killer. She just really believes Ashley's story. In a couple of ways, she played the role kind of almost of an advocate of Ashley, right? Like they're on the crime scene. And, you know, she joined the protests for her around the trial time too, right? Right.

10:36Yeah. Yeah. And we struggled to find people from Ashley's world, her family, friends. So Dr. Russell became that voice for Ashley in our report. It was very important that we had Dr. Russell to give us that other side. Let's talk a little bit more about those protests. Among the people protesting was their six-year-old daughter, Ashley and Doug's six-year-old daughter, Emerson. I mean, that was very striking to just see her little self out there. Who brought her out there and kind of what was that like for her to be out there? I believe it was Ashley's mom who brought her. Some people did have a problem with that.

11:16They felt like she's too young to be dragged into this, that she should not be out there. Others felt like, hey, this is her mom, you know, and we believe that her mom was abused and that she was defending herself and her daughter, you know, should know that, that her mom is strong. So there were people definitely on both sides on that particular issue of Emerson being out there and being so publicly on display. Where is Emerson now? I mean, I think the sad thing about this, as you mentioned at the end of the episode, she's still kind of locked in this custody battle, right? Yeah, well, I believe Emerson, at least at the time of our report, is with Ashley's mother.

11:57But Doug's brother and cousin indicated that this is not over, that they may try to get custody of Emerson, someone on Doug's side. It's so often in so many of our Dateline stories, child custody disputes kind of can be at the heart of this. It really is just so heartbreaking for the kids who are in the middle of all of this. And Emerson has lost both of her parents. It really is. When they're young enough where they still need their parents. I mean, everyone needs their parents. And then when one is dead and one is accused of killing the other one, I mean, it really just throws the child's world into chaos.

12:39It's been my experience with the majority of Datelines that I've covered that the children, if the father is the accused, that the children stand by the father. You know, because they don't – it's almost like they say they believe them. Okay, that's your right. You've decided you believe them. But it's almost to me like they don't want to lose another parent. You know, I talked with Keith about this recently for his episode. And it's almost like it's a method of self-protection or self-preservation. Almost like maybe you can't allow yourself to believe that your father is capable of this. Because even if they are, you know, found guilty or whatever, just having something in your mind to say, okay, I admit that maybe he is responsible, then you are really losing both parents, right?

13:26Like it's a way of holding on. Yeah, I totally buy that. Let's talk about Eva Benefield. That's, you know, Doug's daughter from his marriage to Renee, his previous wife who passed away. But when Doug and Ashley married, Eva was Ashley's stepdaughter, even though the two only had nine years of age difference, right, between the two of them. So how was their relationship? Not good. I mean, you can just imagine your father marries someone after two weeks who's like nine years older than you and brings her home and you're supposed to – everything's supposed to be perfect. That would be extremely rare.

14:06The family that, you know, the kid just says, great, I'm so excited. Welcome. Exactly. Like it's just, you know, that is, that's tough for the child. Like really tough. So no, they did not, they did not have a good relationship. And it only got worse. Eva, you know, expressed her feelings on social media, TikTok, you know, and she amassed quite a few followers. She was very vocal. She was claiming Ashley murdered her dad. And you even kind of said she used humor in all of that. But do you think that that kind of helped to draw a lot of attention to this story? Yeah, I think it definitely helped bring attention to it.

14:43The other thing I'm noticing, too, now is, you know, we had Karen Reed, where there were just tons and tons of supporters for Karen Reed online, outside the courthouse. And then now with this, you know, so-called Black Swan trial, as Ashley's case was called by some because Black Swan, you know, the movie with Natalie Portman, which is like a diabolical ballerina. You know, I think that brought attention to it. But I'm noticing, though, that we're seeing now more supporters like show up to these things now. Like it feels like a trend, you know? Yeah, yeah, it really is. I mean, I think that especially when you see people outside, but also just kind of thinking about, yes, social media and the way that some of these things spread, like people are able to follow along and feel like they really know the people or they really know the, you know, the facts of the case, or even people who show up and kind of try and be investigators on their own or, you know, involve themselves.

15:39Let's talk about the trial because, as you mentioned, when the murder trial began, a lot of people dubbed it the Black Swan murder trial because of that movie. Have you seen the movie Black Swan? I did, and I can honestly say I didn't like it. Really? I thought it was a strange movie. I like diabolical suspense thrillers a lot, but there was something very weird about that movie that I didn't like it. There was a lot. I didn't get into it. I really like Natalie Portman. I do, too. Because I liked her as Padme. She's great. So anytime Natalie Portman does anything, I'm like, oh, wow, let's see.

16:13And I do remember it was one of those ones I had to watch twice just to kind of digest what was happening. I mean, Natalie Portman is fantastic. And didn't she win the Oscar? Yeah, she won Best Actress for that. Yes. So, I mean, it's no reflection on her or her acting skills. I just thought the movie was a bit dark and over the top. That's a good way to put it. So to have this trial likened to Black Swan was interesting. I'm curious, what was Ashley like in the courtroom during this trial? There, of course, were people who immediately felt that Ashley's tears on the stand were crocodile tears.

16:50And in fact, and we touched on this very briefly in the show, but the prosecutors noticed that she was crying, but no tears were coming out, according to them. So at one point, the prosecutor notices this lack of tears and says, turn the lights up. She hoped that the jury would see, you know, that there weren't really any tears. And she'd said that one of the jurors did on her, I guess the jury was leaving the courtroom and one of the jurors like really leaned over and looked at Ashley, you know, in the face, like trying to get a look, you know. So the prosecutor felt like it worked for that reason.

17:32It was kind of just bringing it up, letting people notice what they noticed. Yeah. And the prosecution also had Ashley come down and, you know. Demonstrate? Demonstrate how she killed Doug. For our viewers or our listeners who maybe are only listening and didn't actually see it, can you kind of describe what she did with her body in that moment? But it's hard to almost explain, but she was, you know, moving her hands around in front of her body. Her palms were flat. Yeah. I don't totally get it, but. And I think that it just felt like such a turning point in there because it, at least from the prosecution, it kind of sounded like they said, OK, this is your one chance to show, hey, this is what he did.

18:21And, you know, she didn't necessarily seem to have a good reenactment of what she said happened. It seemed like a turning point in there, though. Yeah. I mean, and clearly the jurors struggled with her testimony. So the jury deliberates. At one point, they come back. They say, hey, we don't have a verdict. The judge says, OK, keep trying. And they ultimately find Ashley Benefield guilty of manslaughter, but not guilty of the higher charge of second-degree murder. So Ashley Benefield will be sentenced next month. And that's something, of course, that a lot of us are going to be watching. And I know that you are going to be discussing it and giving updates as well.

18:58Yeah, we will definitely bring it up on Dateline True Crime Weekly. As soon as we get that sentencing, we will definitely include it in my podcast, Dateline True Crime Weekly, that comes out every Thursday morning. Oh, you know we'll be there. Okay, Andrea, thanks so much for talking Dateline with me today. Yeah, thanks, Blaine. Up next, what did you make of Ashley on the Stand? I'll be joined by Dateline producer Rob Buchanan to answer your questions from social media.

19:32We're back. Blaine's on the road working on her latest story, so I'm joined by Dateline producer Rob Buchanan. Hey, Rob. Hey, Andrea. How are you? Great to speak with you again. Yeah, great working with you on this story. So I know you were online Friday night. I was on the plane coming back from Salt Lake City for a different story. And we were texting back and forth. I was watching Dateline on the plane. And so you said that you were noticing a lot of comments from people. What kind of stuff were you hearing? Yeah, it's interesting. People at first want to take one side and then, you know, then you start to see them take another side.

20:08But there was quite a bit of comments throughout the show, certainly about Ashley. about her testimony. On Doug, the things that really turned people a certain way was the dog. When people heard that he hit his dog, oh, that turned a lot of people off. Yeah. And that kind of thing certainly made people wonder, where one minute you're on his side, then maybe you're not. Then you're like, wait, is she telling the truth? It was a tricky one to try to weed through all the mess of this couple. Well, this is always the real challenge for juries because no one was there. The only one that was still alive was Ashley, who knows really what happened that day.

20:52And to try to figure out from one person who's still living and them telling your story, and obviously they don't want to go to jail. It's very difficult. So Tor or Tori Lett on Facebook asked, why were the lights dimmed during the hearing? I've never seen that. And this is, of course, you have to remember, first of all, that the lights were turned back on, as we talked about in the story. So now the question is the reverse. Why were they even dimmed in the first place? So they were turned down because the prosecution was showing some photos, I believe, or graphics inside. And so they asked that the lights be dim so that the jurors could see them more clearly in a darkened room.

21:37So after they were done with that and they started doing their cross-examination, the lights remained down. And then that's at what point you see on air is when the prosecutor says, hey, can we bring those lights back up? That's the reason why. And Rob, you spent a lot of days in the courtroom. People wanted to talk about the tears versus no tears. But I'll say this before you answer this question. Yes. When my kids are crying with no tears, the moment it's resolved, it's like a faucet. The crying just stops. Right. You know? So I'm kind of wondering as far as like with Ashley, talk a little bit about that sort of phenomenon of like the crying but without tears.

22:15Right. So I want to be totally fair to Ashley. I did see tears at certain points. She was up there for a long time and there was a lot of crying. And I could see it actually better when I watched it on videotape rather than sitting in the courtroom because she was quite a distance from me. Rebecca Freeland was one of the co-prosecutors in her closing remarks. Okay. Now she said, this is not me saying this. She said, I don't know any other way how to say this, but where were her snots? She said, when you cry so much, you're looking for a Kleenex. And she said that never happened. Yeah. And Debbie Dugas, one on X said, great show.

22:54I noticed there were no tears too, no red eyes, nose, mucus, ha ha. I thought I maybe saw one tear shining in the light. And also, Eileen to Tony Joyce on Facebook, my son said, where are the tears? Oh my gosh, so many comments about Ashley on the stand. Yeah. I mean, there were some comments that I saw about that she was a dancer, but that she really should have been an actress. This is a good question from Sue Meady. She was curious, what did we blur out in the police interrogation room footage? Sue, wouldn't you like to know? Well, actually. Yeah, what is it? I want to know. Okay, yeah, I know.

23:31Okay, we would like to know also. Obviously, we request these videos from the police, and they blurted out. So it was something that they blurted out. Oh, I thought it was us. So we have no idea either, so we'll all be left. So I'm wondering that for perhaps eternity. Rob, thank you so much for joining us, for talking Dateline, and for doing such a great job producing this episode and for working so hard on it. But the same goes back to you. You know that all the time. Thank you. That's it for this week's Talking Dateline. Before we go, we wanted to tell you about something new we're trying. You can now send us audio of your questions, and your voice might be featured on an upcoming episode.

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