The Man Who Loved Christmas

22 Sep 2026 · 41 min · 31 chapters

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In short

The Dateline episode “The Man Who Loved Christmas” investigates the death of Harold “Peanut” Allen in Indiana, followed by a burglary of his home that investigators later connect to a poisoning scheme and an insurance/financial motive.

Guest backgrounds

The transcript names the film cast rather than podcast guests: Anne Hathaway (Verity), Dakota Johnson (Verity), and Josh Hartman (Dateline/episode tie-in). It also includes host Lester Holt and Dateline segments with investigators and officials (e.g., Detective Clint Burcham, Detective J.L. McElfresh, Prosecutor Lindsay Fleetwood).

Key claims

Harold died from ethylene glycol poisoning (antifreeze), not natural causes. Marsha Allen and her daughter Ashley Jones allegedly orchestrated the murder and staged a burglary to obtain money/valuables. Stephen White, a felon, was recruited to break in and was caught on video.

Notable examples

Security footage showing a suspect opening the safe; deleted text messages between Marsha and Ashley (24,000); references to poisoning via brownies/Sprite and “root beer floats”; ethylene glycol found in Harold’s blood; Ashley’s later confession and Marsha’s suicide after being confronted.

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Chapters

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The Tragic Loss of Harold

1:02 to 2:12

The story of Harold's unexpected death and its impact on his family.

“I will never again be able to hug my brother.”

Childhood Memories of the Allen Brothers

2:22 to 3:50

Reflections on the close-knit childhood of Harold and his brothers.

“They had their eye on something and seemed to know exactly where to find it.”

Harold's Journey to Love

3:50 to 6:22

Harold's search for love and connection leading to his marriage.

“It could not be any better of a childhood.”

Health Crisis and Emergency

6:22 to 8:12

Harold's health issues leading up to his tragic death.

“Marsha's 27-year-old daughter Ashley, a pharmacy tech, was a young widow, raising her little girl alone.”

The Aftermath of Loss

8:12 to 11:46

The family's struggle to cope with Harold's death and Marsha's behavior.

“We made our way inside the home, back into the bedroom.”

Burglarized: A Twist in the Case

11:46 to 14:00

Marsha's home is burglarized, leading to new developments in the story.

“and then once we were at the gravesite, they left, like, immediately.”

Burglary Footage and Suspect Identification

14:00 to 14:44

Learn how security footage helped identify a burglary suspect.

“One of the burglars was wearing a mask, but the other?”

Burglary Footage and Suspect Identification

15:10 to 15:44

Learn how security footage helped identify a burglary suspect.

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Detectives Confront Stephen White

16:49 to 18:09

Detectives confront the suspect Stephen White about the burglary.

“Less than a year after Harold Allen died, his home was a crime scene, the site of a burglary.”

Stephen's Confession and Marsha's Role

18:09 to 19:08

Stephen reveals Marsha's involvement in a planned burglary.

“Well, hat or no hat, the cops knew they had him dead to rights.”
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Marsha's Denial and Accusations

19:08 to 21:15

Marsha denies Stephen's accusations and points fingers at her daughter.

“i can get the insurance money and i said marcia i'm a felon i cannot have guns my dad is running We got a lot of going on.”

Investigating Marsha's Background

21:15 to 23:08

Detectives investigate Marsha's past regarding her husband's death.

“and she had a good idea who was behind it.”

Detectives Assess Marsha's Reactions

23:08 to 24:25

Detectives observe Marsha's responses to serious accusations.

“I have not gone to nobody and said anything because I don't have no f***ing proof on it.”

Analysis of Marsha's Deleted Messages

24:25 to 26:02

Detectives analyze deleted messages from Marsha's phone.

“Would you be willing to consent to download your cell phone?”

Evidence of Potential Poisoning

26:02 to 27:30

Detectives discover messages indicating potential poisoning of Marsha's husband.

“There were 24 ,000 deleted text messages between mother and daughter going back more than a year.”

Strange Circumstances Surrounding a Previous Death

27:30 to 28:18

Investigators uncover unusual details about Marsha's previous husband's death.

“But the autopsy had already pointed to heart issues with no indication of foul play.”

Strange Circumstances Surrounding a Previous Death

29:02 to 29:33

Investigators uncover unusual details about Marsha's previous husband's death.

“SimpliSafe stops break-ins before they start.”

Strange Circumstances Surrounding a Previous Death

29:36 to 29:47

Investigators uncover unusual details about Marsha's previous husband's death.

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Detectives Uncovering a Mystery

29:59 to 30:47

Follow the detectives as they investigate a potential murder case.

“It was taking weeks for detectives to sort through the thousands of text messages on Marsha's phone.”

Family's Suspicion and History

30:47 to 31:51

Explore the family's suspicions regarding Marsha and the history of past husbands.

“Now, almost a year after Harold Allen's death, a detective was calling his family.”

Search Warrant and Investigation

31:51 to 33:05

Detectives search Marsha's home for evidence related to her husband's death.

“No, we found out later that his family was always suspicious, I guess.”

Interrogation and Text Messages

33:05 to 34:16

Marsha's interrogation reveals strange text messages and potential motives.

“They went through the house looking for something, anything that might link her to Harold's death.”

Confronting Marsha with Evidence

34:16 to 35:27

Detectives confront Marsha with evidence surrounding her husband's death.

“you use, you have to go by the way the person, how it affects them.”

Ashley’s Involvement and Denial

35:27 to 36:35

Ashley's involvement in the case begins to unfold, revealing family dynamics.

“That's pretty much what this stuff does, if you drank it.”

Ashley’s Allegations Against Marsha

36:35 to 37:50

Ashley tries to distance herself from the situation, shifting blame to Marsha.

“So I did not put anything in anyone's drink.”

Plans and Poison

37:50 to 39:40

Ashley reveals the sinister plans involving poisoning and ethylene glycol.

“who had enlisted Stephen White in the burglary.”

Greed and the Murder Scheme

39:40 to 41:44

Greed drives the plot as detectives connect the burglary and murder.

“Was she concerned that it wasn't working?”

Toxicology Results and Arrest

41:44 to 42:04

Detectives receive toxicology results that confirm their suspicions.

“When Harold's toxicology results came back, they confirmed what detectives had suspected.”

The Aftermath of Marcia's Suicide

42:04 to 43:49

Learn about the tragic consequences following Marcia's interrogation and her death.

“but it's through Ashley Jones' actions of her greed that got us here.”

Responsibility and Karma in the Case

43:51 to 44:39

Explore the shared responsibility between Ashley and Marcia, and how greed played a role.

“Do you hold Marsha and Ashley equally responsible here for your brother's death?”

Remembering Harold: A Tribute

44:44 to 45:23

Reflect on Harold's character and the impact of his death on those who loved him.

“This guy that meant everything to me was worth absolutely nothing to them.”
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0:00Based on the best-selling novel. I was hired to help Verity write. Verity had a car accident. She'll let her walk or talk again. On October 2nd, discover the truth. This place is insane. Yeah, here you are. About Verity. She was standing right there. She can't walk. I know what I saw. Anne Hathaway, Dakota Johnson, Josh Hartman. I feel like I'm losing my mind. Morning, darkness ahead. Verity, directed by Michael Showalter. Rated R, under 17, nine, a meter without parent. October 2nd. With no fees or minimums on checking accounts, it's no wonder the Capital One bank guy is so passionate about banking with Capital One.

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1:22He had some cardiovascular issues. The autopsy report says that he died from natural causes. About nine months after Harold dies, you get a phone call. He said, we're looking into a burglary at your brother's home. We know who that individual is. Starts telling his story. This woman's a psychopath, and I'm telling you guys that right now. We started seeing messages about Harold. They had actually done something to make him sick. Putting something in like a margarita, chili, a brownie. They're upset because he's not dying fast enough. They start talking about making root beer floats. It's just so heartbreaking.

2:01This was almost a perfect murder. How in the world can somebody be that evil? Murder by root beer float. You've never seen a case like this. I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

2:22Here's Blaine Alexander with The Man Who Loved Christmas

2:29There's a saying, it's always darkest before the dawn And here in this quiet Indiana town, most people were still fast asleep But inside one home, two men were hard at work, moving through the dark. They had their eye on something and seemed to know exactly where to find it. They're drawn to the safe, and he's opening up the safe. Nothing about this break-in felt random. In fact, it was a clue. A key to a mystery investigators didn't even know they needed to solve. We're like, okay, this is weird, right? We're small-town kids from southern Indiana. You see it in the world, these crazy stories, but, you know, it doesn't happen to us.

3:26This corner of southern Indiana is the kind of place where roots run deep. Surrounded by farmland and country roads, it's where the Allen brothers grew up. Matt is the youngest. I grew up with two of the best older brothers that you probably could ask for. James is the middle brother. You speak about it almost as if it was a magical childhood. It was. It could not be any better of a childhood. And then there was the oldest, Harold. A big guy in personality and stature with a nickname that somehow fit him to a T. Peanut. Right. Yes. Where did Peanut come from? When he was born, he was kind of a preemie.

4:10And his first visit to our grandmother's house, she said he looked just like a peanut. And it stuck. Hannah is married to James. What would your kids call him? Uncle Peanut. Uncle Peanut. Yeah. Harold worked as a computer programmer and had a passion for music. He taught himself to play. But what you notice most, his family says, his endless generosity. He loved through giving. And there wasn't a birthday or a Christmas that he did not make a to-do about. Every year, hey, what do you guys want for Christmas? We're like, Bob, we're 40, okay? We don't need Christmas presents. We're good. But for all his strengths, there was one part of life Harold hadn't quite figured out.

4:59You've said that Harold, for all of his successes, wasn't typically successful in relationships. No. Unfortunately, my brother had a fatal flaw. And that is, he somehow equated having a relationship as being successful, as being happy. Samantha is his other sister-in-law. I think he was just really seeking love. He was just really looking for that connection. And then he found it in perhaps the most unexpected of places, his 30th high school reunion. I thought it was odd that he met somebody because, I mean, his graduating class, yeah, was like probably 70 people. So you're thinking, how did you not already know everybody?

5:46How are you just meeting? Her name was Marsha Buxton. She was divorced and worked as an assistant in a medical practice. She did not fit the typical mold of the previous women. She was kinder, more refined, more of someone that I could see him with. I was happy for my brother. And then the next thing you know, hey, we got married. Was that surprising to you? No, not really. No. He was quick to love, and he was quick to go all in. Marsha's 27-year-old daughter Ashley, a pharmacy tech, was a young widow, raising her little girl alone. Soon, they were all under one roof, living at Harold's home in Freetown, Indiana.

6:34Now there's this child's energy in the house. And I don't know if she called him grandpa, but he very much got to play that role when she was around, and he loved it. And so it went for about three years. Then came Thanksgiving 2022. The family was gathered at the table waiting for dessert. And his face got kind of scared in a sense. He goes, my face just went numb. So I jumped up immediately. I helped him take off his sweatshirt and he was just soaked in sweat. Marsha rushed him to the hospital. What were doctors saying? It had to do some of this blood sugar. He was a type 2 diabetic. He started a new medicine, like maybe it was a reaction.

7:20They sent Harold home, but a few days later, he made another visit to the ER. What I remember is him looking very pale and just not steady. Yeah. Then, just five days before Christmas, he got worse. 911. Much worse.

7:49One of James' cousins is on the volunteer fire department down there, and they heard on the radio, Peanuts address, come on. And so they were like, just so you know, they're headed to Peanuts. We had arrived just shortly after the ambulance. Deputy Aaron Wilkins of the Jackson County Sheriff's Office responded to the Allen home. We made our way inside the home, back into the bedroom. Harold was laying on the floor between the bed and a closet. The paramedics did what they could, but it was too late. And so then they heard over the radio, you know, that the person was deceased. Hannah had to break the news to James.

8:32Having to give him, like, the worst news ever was so hard. Yeah, it was pretty bad. It was bad. And you went to tell Matt. And then Matt came home, and that was a very, very hard thing to watch. We didn't know what had happened. We didn't have any idea. We knew he was gone. A whole family grieving. A wife, now a widow. And then, out of nowhere, something happened. Something that would warp this family tragedy in a way nobody could believe. There's been some developments in your brother's case. Make it look vandalized so I can get the insurance money. These text messages are the worst I've ever seen.

9:24This guy that meant everything to me was worth absolutely nothing to them. If we can keep this discreet as possible, I will cooperate in any means necessary.

9:49After learning about Harold Allen's death in a roundabout way through a police dispatch, his family had so many questions. Without more information, his brother Matt was having a hard time believing it was real. I convinced myself that he wasn't gone.

10:11Optimistic, I guess. I kept trying to get a hold of Marsha. I sent her a message saying, you know, like, what's going on? And when I called, she said that she was crying too hard and she couldn't answer. All Harold's wife, Marcia, could tell them was that she found Harold unresponsive in the bedroom. An autopsy filled in the rest. What did it show? That he had a cardiac issue, that he had a blockage. Heart attack. Yeah. Cardiac arrest, I believe. The news was hard enough, but the timing made it even worse. It was Christmas, but instead of celebrating, they were preparing for Harold's funeral. That's a pain that never goes away.

10:57Yeah. And thinking about the fact that this was your brother's favorite holiday. Exactly. That was his jam. We went to his mom's house with our kids, and Marsha came over. I think it was Christmas Day. We were over there, and she had brought in gifts for our kids that Peanut had already purchased for them. A week after Harold died, his family and friends came together for his funeral. That was the worst moment, you know, like we are literally saying goodbye to one of the most important people in our life. Harold's family was still hungry for details, anything that would help them process the loss.

11:40But they say Marcia and her daughter kept to themselves. They didn't interact with anybody. and then once we were at the gravesite, they left, like, immediately. And we're like, okay, this is weird, right? Strange, yes, but they understood. Grief can make people do strange things. And Marsha was finding her own way through it. She channeled her grief into a self-published book about rebuilding life after losing a spouse. She wrote, He Was My World, Two Peas in a Pod, And she described how she overcame chronic and debilitating sadness with therapy. Marsha stayed at the home she and Harold had shared, and the family gave her space.

12:24But the brothers did reach out to talk with her about getting some family heirlooms Harold had been storing. My dad was an avid gun collector. I had a lot of guns. So those were all at my brother Harold Peanut's house. When we would contact about getting those items, it was, don't you understand, we're grieving over here. I lost my husband. I was very understanding and said, okay, just let me know when you're ready. We'll go through the items. Then, nine months after Harold's death, Marsha was once again calling for help. Marsha Allen had called in, I believe, to our dispatch. Detective Clint Burcham of the Jackson County Sheriff's Department spoke with her.

13:07She was on vacation with her mother and father down in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. Marsha said she'd been asleep when she received a security alert on her phone. Someone was inside her house. She had set up some security videos in her home, and she ends up realizing that her house had been burglarized. In fact, while she's coming back from Tennessee, she is emailing me videos of these two individuals in her house. Does it look like they're looking for anything specific? They're drawn to the safe. At one point, you can see an individual that appears to be holding a phone. And he's opening up the safe as if he's looking at the combination to the safe on a cell phone.

13:50And they end up taking 40 to 50 guns. The family heirlooms that were also worth a lot of money, tens of thousands of dollars. What else are they looking for in this house? They take jewelry. A clasper ring is taken from the safe. One of the burglars was wearing a mask, but the other? Well, look at this. One of our suspects' faces exposed, looking directly at the camera at one point. Marsha saw that on the security camera videos. She lets you know that she recognizes one of the guys in this video. Yes. What did she tell you about this person? She tells us that she recognized the individual to be Stephen White.

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17:00Less than a year after Harold Allen died, his home was a crime scene, the site of a burglary. This seemed to be an easy solve. Detectives had video and a clear look at one of the perps, recognized by Marsha as Stephen White, a 29-year-old father with a prior criminal record. Want it on? Detectives found him at his parents' home. So you have any idea why we're here today? Well, they said that y 'all got me on camera last night burglarizing the place. Just right off the bat, what kind of impression is he making? He, of course, he denies it. Do you know anything about it? No. Okay. My husband and I set up last night until about four o 'clock in the morning watching Nope.

17:42I personally think I have strep or something. I've been running a fever. My tongue is all swollen and sore and my mouth is red and white. So just letting y 'all know that. If he was trying to scare the cops off, it didn't work. The homeowner has the video. We got three detectives out on the house right now that was burglarized. Who? Well, I don't even know anybody in Jackson County aside from my aunt. Then he's confronted with a screenshot. Yes. There's the picture. And we got a video. I mean, I really do not have a hat. I don't even have a hat. Well, hat or no hat, the cops knew they had him dead to rights.

18:20We either get the stuff back, or I think you know probably what's coming. You just go to the f***ing jail and sit and rock. But eventually, he's like, yeah, you know, it was me. I just smoke another cigarette. I'll explain the whole thing. The story began with Stephen admitting he did know Marsha and her daughter. I'm best friends with her daughter. Okay. What's her daughter's name? Ashley Jones. And then came Stephen's plot twist. he said marcia was no victim here she was the one pulling the strings i'll give you three thousand dollars you can go to my house gave me the safe code marcia did or yes marcia did she said you go down there you can get this and and i need it all taken somewhere you need to make it look like you've broken in there and make it look vandalized so i can get the insurance money and i said marcia i'm a felon i cannot have guns my dad is running We got a lot of going on.

19:19I am not about to drive guns across this town. And you don't have any text messages? No, because I deleted the messages. She told me, oh, we'll make sure you delete all this stuff. What are you guys thinking as you listen to this story? I think he was telling us, at best, half-truths. Do you have all the guns and everything here, you said? Yes. Stephen had told police what they came to find out and then some. but still it seemed he just couldn't stop talking sorry mom marcia set me up my mother's pissed she's gonna disown me forever now no she won't yes she will nah you said your dad's running for mayor yeah please this cannot go on no media release if we can keep this discreet as possible i will cooperate in any means necessary well put your hands on your back Police recovered the stolen items and Stephen was arrested.

20:12The next day, Marsha was back from vacation and came to the station to talk with Detective Burcham. Did you get all the videos? I seen you 22. I'm not sure if I got 22, but I got a lot of them. And she's coming in as the burglary victim. Yes. We're talking about like what kind of items could possibly be missing. It's a very friendly conversation. The detective showed Marsha photos of everything they'd recovered. You recognize that ring? Yes, that is his dad's ring. Whose dad's ring? My husband's dad's ring, Harold Allen. My husband died in December. The detective then turned the conversation to Stephen White and his version of events.

20:52Well, what he's saying is basically that you said that you would give him$3 ,000 to go in the house and take the guns, have him take the guns and take them back to his place. He's a liar. I did not do that. I don't have his number. I don't have his cell phone number. He's lying. Marsha did agree with police on one point. It looked like an inside job, and she had a good idea who was behind it. So almost immediately, she's pointing the finger at her daughter. Yes. Marsha was confident that Ashley had had to have given Stephen White the combination to the safe. Because there's only three people in the world that know it.

21:31It's me, my husband, and her. I didn't do it. I didn't get it out. He died, so he can't get it out. This is one person. Process of elimination. Marsha and her daughter had been close, but recently they'd had a falling out. The last I heard, she said she was in Branson, Missouri, but I don't know where she's at right now. Because she was supposed to come stay with me for a while, which I guarantee she won't now. The detective still didn't know what to make of the burglary. But with every new detail, there seemed to be another finger-pointing accusation and another layer to unpack. Because what exactly did Stephen White mean by this?

22:16This woman's a psychopath. And I'm telling you guys that right now.

22:32Marsha Allen walked into the Jackson County Sheriff's Office a burglary victim. Now, officers were pressing her about what Stephen White claimed was her role in a possible insurance scam. Make it look vandalized so I can get the insurance money. But Stephen White had told them a lot of things. My dad is running for mayor. We got a lot of s*** going on. And he'd made some even more dramatic accusations about Marsha. This woman's a psychopath. And I'm telling you guys that right now. But this one? This woman is a f***ing murderer, okay? I know that. I have not gone to nobody and said anything because I don't have no f***ing proof on it.

23:12Was he really accusing Marsha of murder? This woman's murdered her husband, and if you go into her computer file... So what did the deputies think when they heard that? I think we all knew it was something we needed to look into. But at the same time, I think, is he just trying to deflect from what he just got caught doing? So detectives had reason to be skeptical. Still, as Marsha sat before them at the station, you let her know that Stephen is pointing the finger at her for her husband's death. Yes. I'll tell you what else he said. He accused you of murdering your husband. I did not murder my husband.

23:49Something to the effect of some kind of, I don't know, basically poisoning, poisoning his drink. That would show me a toxicology report if that happened. And was there an autopsy done? Yes. There was an autopsy. Autopsy and toxicology. He died because he had periodontics that was undetected. What are you watching for in her response? Well, obviously, we're watching how she reacts to it. You can't bank too much on the fact that she was somewhat defensive because if she didn't have anything to do with it, she's going to deny it. I cannot believe you said I tried to kill my husband. The detective didn't know who to believe, but he did know if you want to find out what a person's really been up to, there's one pretty good place to start.

24:30Would you be willing to consent to download your cell phone? Yeah. Okay. Were you surprised by how willing she was to hand over her phone? I think my initial thought was like, well, maybe there's nothing on there. He left the room and briefed Detective J.L. McElfresh, the department's digital forensic examiner. He, too, was skeptical about accusations from Stephen White, a felon caught red-handed. It's normal for a suspect in a crime to start talking about other crimes that they were not involved in to try to get themselves out of the trouble that they're in now. While the detective was out of the room, it appeared Marsha was deleting something from her phone.

25:09But she didn't try to hide it when the detective came back. She told me basically she didn't want us, when we went into her phone, to see her walking around in her underwear. I should make sure you don't see me in my rear. Oh, the videos of your... Yeah. I went through and deleted some of them while you were out, so... Well, just at me. They let Marsha go home and got to work analyzing her phone. We needed to look and see what things had been deleted and at what time stamp. And that's when we found that she had deleted the entire text conversation with Ashley. I would imagine that that then becomes a pretty good place for you to start.

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25:48Oh, it does, because why delete the entire conversation? Of course, deleting something doesn't mean it's gone. It was easy enough for Detective McElfresh to restore the messages, but sorting through them would take weeks. There were 24 ,000 deleted text messages between mother and daughter going back more than a year. What do you see? You know, we see conversations farther back just about things going on in life. No talk of a burglary or an insurance scam, but you keep looking. We do. What else do you find? We start seeing, like, really horrible conversations between Ashley and Marsha about Harold Allen.

26:30Talking about him being sick, going to the hospital, you know, kind of laughing about it. What was the tone between the two? The tone was lack of respect for human life. The detectives also found messages about what Harold was eating and drinking. There was this picture of a brownie. Marsha took a picture. Harold is eating a brownie. And he's sitting there and they're talking about the brownie. They're, you know, talking about how much of the brownie's been eaten and that it's almost gone. Maybe their chatty perp wasn't so crazy after all. The messages got more specific. There was something that shifted from, they're talking pretty badly about this guy, to you can tell that they're actually doing something to him.

27:17Yeah. They're talking openly about, you know, putting something in like a Sprite or a margarita or chili. You now have a murder investigation on your hands. Correct. Yes. But the autopsy had already pointed to heart issues with no indication of foul play. If Harold was indeed poisoned, detectives needed to find a way to prove it. But as they searched, they stumbled on something else. Could there be yet another crime in play? Her previous husband died under strange circumstances.

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29:59It was taking weeks for detectives to sort through the thousands of text messages on Marsha's phone. All the while, Harold's family knew nothing about the burglary or a possible murder investigation. It had been months since they'd spoken to Marsha about the family's guns. Don't contact me. Don't want to talk about this. Yeah, it was a complete shutdown. Shutdown of the conversation. We're not having this conversation. That had left them with questions about Marsha, things that never sat quite right. She'd written that book about grief, but the family says she didn't appear to be doing much grieving when they saw her at Christmas and the funeral.

30:38I'm seeing these raw emotions with James, and I'm not seeing any emotion from her. Now, almost a year after Harold Allen's death, a detective was calling his family. He said, we found out some more information and we're opening your brother's death up as a potential homicide. Was there a part of you that had almost always been waiting for this? Yeah, I wasn't really surprised. Are you then thinking back to every interaction you had with Marsha, every conversation you had with her? Yes, absolutely. They remembered Marsha telling them that her daughter Ashley collected life insurance when her husband died.

31:21Then you heard a rumor about Ashley. Sure. And her previous husband. Yeah, I think it was at a family get-together, and they were like, well, you know that her previous husband died under strange circumstances, and that she took the life insurance and basically ran. Ty Jones was only 33 when he died suddenly of a heart attack. Was there ever an investigation into his death? No, we found out later that his family was always suspicious, I guess. Now, detectives were too. Like Ty, Harold had seemingly died of a heart attack. And like Ashley, Marcia collected life insurance money after his death. And there was something else buried in those thousands of texts.

32:13Remember the messages about that half-eaten brownie? In that back and forth was a reference to Ashley's dead husband, Ty. At one point, Ashley writes, it's slow, followed by, and previously, Ty was only 120, LOL. What did you take that to mean? Whatever they had tried at that point on Harold Allen was working slower and not as well as something that may have happened with her deceased husband, Ty. Three weeks after the burglary, detectives were at Marsha's door. Hi, I'm Lieutenant Nicholson with the Sheriff's Department. We're here today because we got a search warrant for your house, okay, to go through some stuff.

32:56Okay. Is there anyone else here? No, just me and my cats. Okay. Was she surprised to see you show up at the house that morning? I believe she was, yes. And what were you searching for? They went through the house looking for something, anything that might link her to Harold's death. Computers, receipts, maybe even the poison itself. I did not kill my husband. And we ended up asking her to go to the sheriff's department to sit down and do an interview with us. She went with them, and at the station, detective sat Marcia in front of a computer and asked her to explain that exchange about the half-eaten brownie.

33:31She says, how's it going, LOL, and you send that picture. Then she says, oh, let me know when it's gone, LOL. probably his food what are you talking about it going faster though his sickness the flu you said like what's taking so long she said the weight it takes 12 hours for a woman at 180 to fill anything you do the math laugh out loud it's slow and previously ty was only 120 lol yeah she made brownies. Marsha said there was no poison in that brownie, just marijuana, to help Harold with pain he was feeling from his illness. She made brownies, and you had, depending upon how much of the butter you use, you have to go by the way the person, how it affects them.

34:19She came up with some kind of excuse for everyone. I'm just going to be straightforward. What we were concerned with is that maybe Ty was poisoned too. Oh no. And no, I'd forgotten about the brownies. Maybe she would remember this. They showed her a text from Ashley that read, the mail is here. It was sent the day before Harold died. Marcia said that mail was a package for Ashley. She said, yeah, we're expecting a shipment, but she did it all the time. But this wasn't just any delivery. Detectives had traced the package back to the shipper and learned it was a$32 order for ethylene glycol, a clear and sweet-tasting toxic liquid found in antifreeze.

35:04Do you see how it looks like you're connected to this ethylene glycol? Yeah, but I'm not. Okay. But, I mean, you see why... It looks that way, yes. I want you to understand why... I get it. Because I didn't know what was going on. The detectives kept coming back to Ashley's late husband, Ty. Did Harold die of the exact same thing Ty did? No. So, what they told me is that he had pericarditis and it stopped his heart. That's pretty much what this stuff does, if you drank it. And that's why I think that you probably know a little bit. Actually, no, I don't. And that's the truth. Was it? Because investigators had one more thing to confront Marsha with, a text about a special kind of drink.

35:52They start talking about dinner one night and after dinner making root beer floats. And that matched with one of the more specific things they heard before from, who else, Stephen White. I called her daughter, who explains to me, Mom has gone crazy. Marsha went into the kitchen and made a root beer float with whipped cream and sprinkles on top of it. and she poured something out of a bottle into there. And she told Ashley that that was his little extra shock because he, like, spiked root beer floats. What is being claimed is that you guys poisoned him. Which is not true. It looks scrimmage, I know.

36:31And she just continued to deny and deny and deny. We both made the root beer floats. So I did not put anything in anyone's drink. I didn't even know we had anything like that there. The texts told a different story. Now detectives needed science to prove it. As standard procedure, a vial of Harold's blood was being held for a year after the autopsy. It had been untouched for nine months, and now detectives sent it off for testing. For prosecutors, that was the missing piece. It was. In the meantime, they let Marsha go, again. Detective Burcham drove her home, certain he'd be back soon with an arrest warrant for murder.

37:13It was a very quiet ride back. Marsha may have said little on the ride home, but detectives were about to hear plenty from her daughter, Ashley. Loyalty to the mother of the hell of a bank.

37:40While detectives waited on Harold Allen's toxicology results, they turned their attention to Ashley. By now, they knew it was Ashley, not Marsha, who had enlisted Stephen White in the burglary. And a hands up telling us, like, yeah, And Ashley's the one who planned the burglary. White pleaded guilty to those burglary charges. And Ashley was arrested and extradited back to Indiana on charges related to the break-in. Investigators cut right to the chase. Hi, Ashley. I'm Detective Bertram with the Sheriff's Department here. We're not going to talk to you about the burglary, okay? We know what happened to Harold.

38:19At first, Ashley denied everything. Do you know anything about the ethylene glycol? No, sir. Okay. What was your relationship like with Harold? He was nice. He said, I never had a chance to be a dad or a grandpa or anything, and we were eating that up. But once confronted with those text messages with her mother, Ashley knew she had some explaining to do. She took a page from her mother's playbook and pointed the finger away from herself and right at her mom. If you know something, now's the time to tell us. So we can... I know she said she wanted out. She wanted to be free of him completely. She wanted him dead.

39:02And I said, you're going to go to hell for that month. No matter what happens, you're going to hell. She was essentially telling you that she was trying to be the voice of reason. Yes. Kind of the moral compass in all of this. It was a few months before Harold died. That's when Ashley says Marsha started asking for help. I guess because I used to be a pharmacy type, She was asking me, like, well, what is the adverse effects to insulin? What's the adverse effects to this? You know, things like that. Ashley said they bought foxglove seeds, a natural toxin. Is that what put him in the hospital that first time?

39:38I think so, yeah. What other foods did she put that foxglove in? I think she tried chili once. Was she concerned that it wasn't working? Yeah. She said, I'm never going to be free. Whose idea was it to use the ethylene glycol? Hers. Did she ask you to help by placing the order for her? She asked me to place order for her, yeah. I really don't ask many questions, which I guess I should. She definitely tried to minimize her role in it. I mean, just doing it to anybody, regardless of any which way or form, I didn't agree. but loyalty to the mother is a hell of a thing. A loyal and otherwise innocent daughter?

40:25Detectives weren't buying it. As Ashley was led off to wait in jail, still held on the burglary charges, they did some digging into Marsha's finances. We found that there was ultimately the motive of money. Lindsay Fleetwood is the Jackson County prosecutor. Marsha Allen did receive some of the life insurance money And then additionally, you see that Marsha Allen was paying Ashley Jones monthly some of this payment, and then she stopped. And that's when Ashley got mad. How did they know that? She complained about not getting enough of Harold's money in a text to her good friend Stephen White, writing, She couldn't get into a dead man's phone without me to get all his retirements and savings he had hidden.

41:07She didn't give me out of that. Now, detectives connected the dots. That burglary and Harold Allen's murder weren't separate crimes. They were tied together, bound by one thing, greed. She mails Stephen White a key to her mother's house, and she knows the code's the safe. She wants the valuables. In more messages found on Stephen White's phone, Ashley exposed herself as much more than a misguided, loyal daughter. She boasted about the murder. Saying, I planned this all. Basically, my mom couldn't have done this without me. She wanted to do it this way. I told her to do it this way. She was proud of it.

41:45When Harold's toxicology results came back, they confirmed what detectives had suspected. We were notified that, yes, ethylene glycol was in his system. We know without a doubt this is how he died. So you can't plan a case better than what was thrown in our laps, right? Because not only did Stephen White be the one to break this case open, but it's through Ashley Jones' actions of her greed that got us here. Ashley's charges were upped to murder. You are under the arrest for the murder of Harold, okay? But Marcia's story would end differently. It was just hours after she left that interrogation room, after that quiet ride home with Detective Burcham.

42:29There's something wrong. Marcia's parents called the sheriff's office, asking officers to do a welfare check on their daughter. We knocked on the door. Deputy Wilkins, who'd responded to the Allen House the day Harold died, was there again. We went ahead and made entry, and we come to a closed bedroom door, open the door, and we locate Marcia laying there in her bed. Marcia had died by suicide. She left a note. I did not kill my husband. You win, Ashley. What did you take that to mean? I think it was one last attempt at denial, even though she thought she knew she was caught. Ashley pleaded guilty to attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

43:20The burglary charges were dropped. She was sentenced to 50 years in prison. And detectives' questions about Ashley's late husband have not gone away. The information that we obtained during our investigation was turned over to state police. Prosecutor Fleetwood tells Dateline that Ty Jones' death is being investigated as a possible homicide. Ashley maintained in her initial police interview that her late husband died of a heart attack. It's not even coincidental anymore. It's just heartbreaking that the circumstances, I feel like, were very, very similar. Do you hold Marsha and Ashley equally responsible here for your brother's death?

44:03Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. This doesn't happen without Ashley. And just like I don't, you know, just like it doesn't happen without Marsha. So in my mind, they're both as responsible for what happened. And, she says, equally responsible for getting caught. It took them being greedy to essentially shine the light. You don't always get to see karma, but sometimes. You did here? I did here. For Harold's family, this story doesn't end with Marsha or Ashley. It ends with Harold, Peanut, a man who loved Christmas, loved giving, and above all, loved his family. This guy that meant everything to me was worth absolutely nothing to them.

45:01Like I said, the rest of my life will be missing in peace without him because I know he's not here. What I refuse to allow happen to him is to be forgotten in this story. He was just a simple guy that goes to work, pays his bills, and wanted to be loved. That's Peanut.

45:28That's all for this edition of Dateline. And don't forget to check out our Talking Dateline podcast, in which we'll go behind the scenes of tonight's episode, available Wednesday in the Dateline feed, wherever you get your podcasts. We'll see you again next Friday for our 35th season premiere at 9, 8 Central. I'm Lester Holt. For all of us at NBC News, good night.

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A burglary leads investigators to uncover a plot to poison an Indiana man, with a mother and her daughter at the center of the investigation. Blayne Alexander reports.


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