In short
Dish from Waitrose welcomes actor Jamie-Lee O’Donnell (Derry Girls’ Michelle) to discuss her move to Barcelona, her gluten-free diet, and a Mediterranean-inspired tuna-and-Padron-pepper skewer recipe plus a Greek salad-style dish.
Guest backgrounds
O’Donnell lives in Barcelona (about a year), previously worked extensively in Ireland, and credits therapy with prompting major life changes (selling her house, starting over). She has a gluten allergy; she describes swelling/bloating and costume-fitting issues when she ate bread/pasta.
Key claims
She avoids “wiggly” textures (especially soft/seafood textures) and prefers sharp, “sexy” flavors (lemon/lime, salty feta, pickled onion). She insists tuna should be cooked well-done to prevent “wiggliness,” and says hospitality means accommodating customers’ preferred doneness.
Notable examples
Her El Bulli dining story after missing a flight; Barcelona eating late with dense carbs; her “chicken box” takeaway; filming Girl Group with Rebel Wilson (she plays a rival “bitch team” character).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORecap of Previous Guests
0:46 to 2:10
Angela and Sam discuss their previous guest, Tom Holland.
“I just said just before we started, I was like, should we be somewhere on the news?”
Summer Skewers Discussion
2:11 to 3:26
Angela and Sam joke about their love for skewers and summer foods.
“Yeah, we've got a family pack of skewers.”
Ange's Late Night Adventure
3:27 to 4:52
Angela shares a funny story about missing a flight for a restaurant.
“And my friend says, you know, Guy, I know him.”
The El Bulle Experience
4:53 to 5:37
Angela describes her unique dining experience at El Bulle.
“And there's still a course that I remember.”
Welcoming Jamie-Lee O'Donnell
5:38 to 7:16
Angela and Sam introduce their guest Jamie-Lee O'Donnell.
“come out about July to sort of early October time in polytunnels or greenhouses.”
Jamie-Lee's Move to Barcelona
7:17 to 10:01
Jamie-Lee discusses her move to Barcelona and therapy journey.
“Just double dose two sugar-free Red Bulls, so I'm ready to go.”
Family Dynamics and New Beginnings
10:02 to 10:54
Jamie-Lee shares about family relationships and starting anew.
“So I went over for a little few nights a few months before and had a wee look around and I was like, yep, this will do.”
Learning Spanish and Cultural Adjustments
10:55 to 12:15
Jamie-Lee talks about learning Spanish and adjusting to life in Spain.
“Mi español es un poquito Oh Very good That's all fancy It just means it's very small Yeah Well we've gone for a rioca because we thought you know You're basically Spanish Gracias Yes Gracias.”
Gluten-Free Lifestyle and Cooking
12:16 to 14:00
Jamie-Lee explains her gluten-free lifestyle and its impact on her cooking.
“Yeah, that's another thing which I've noticed about Spain, because I'm quite like a wee bit of a snacker sometimes.”
Navigating Gluten-Free Eating
14:00 to 15:44
Learn about the host's journey to identify gluten as an allergy.
“because I just never got on board with the texture of meat.”
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Adjusting Eating Habits
15:44 to 17:02
Discover how changing dietary choices can impact health and well-being.
“Maybe I'm just bulking because my arms are really puffing and I was like, well, I'll just wake up and I'll be really muscly.”
Food Preferences and Aversions
17:02 to 18:48
Explore unique food preferences and how they shape eating experiences.
“This could be our last episode of the podcast.”
Cultural Food Differences
18:48 to 20:28
Examine the cultural differences in eating habits between Ireland and Spain.
“I thought it was just going to be like a chicken wing.”
Favorite Foods and Recipes
20:28 to 21:28
Learn about the guest's favorite foods and recommendations for cooking.
“And have you fallen into, like, love with any particular places?”
Owning a Corner Shop
21:28 to 22:28
Hear about the guest's experience and lessons learned from running a corner shop.
“It was just before I got Dairy Girls as well.”
Grilling Tuna and Other Tips
22:28 to 24:46
Get practical tips for grilling tuna and making delicious meals.
“You know, I don't think there's such a thing as failures.”
Character Preparation for Acting
25:08 to 28:00
Discover how costumes and personal touches help in character preparation.
“I feel like that's easy to do on a barbecue.”
Character Preparation and Immersion
28:00 to 28:51
Learn how actors prepare for their roles using personal techniques.
“do you ever make playlists I have done sometimes I've usually done like a perfume so you can go back to that character Yes, and have it sort of in my bag or have it in the dressing room.”
Inside the Movie 'Girl Group'
28:51 to 31:06
Discover insights about the movie 'Girl Group' and its cast.
“It just sort of, it just comes on camera and just feels a wee bit creepy and it worked.”
The Impact of 'Derry Girls'
31:06 to 33:28
Understand the cultural significance of 'Derry Girls' and its reception.
“You're not like walking around with that one.”
Celebrity Encounters and Misidentification
33:28 to 36:20
Hear stories about being mistaken for others and fan interactions.
“It was like the fourth audition in about eight months, which was like torture.”
Fast Food Quiz with Jamie-Lee
36:20 to 39:55
Enjoy a fun rapid-fire quiz about Jamie-Lee's food preferences.
“And a couple of times people have come up to me and be like, guess what?”
Ending the Show with a Prize
39:55 to 42:01
Join the conclusion which features a playful game and prize announcement.
“Jamie, we come to the end of the show question.”
Humorous Discussion on Cheese and Food References
42:01 to 42:27
A light-hearted exchange involving humorous references to cheese and body parts.
“Especially if you can get some pan and aveola.”
Celebration and Thanks
42:28 to 42:48
The host thanks the guest and highlights the fun of the episode.
“A round of applause, Jamie, Leo, Don, and our lovely party.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Welcome to Gin Mare, a world where time naturally slows down. Expertly crafted with Mediterranean botanicals, rosemary, thyme, basil and arbequina olives, we invite you to savor the moment and share the true Mediterranean spirit. Take time to enjoy your time. Gin Mare. Mediterranean by nature. Available at Vitro. Selected source. Subject to availability. Make the moment last and drink responsibly. Over 18s only. Jean Mata is a registered trademark. Dish from Wake Trails is a Cold Glass production. This podcast may contain some strong language and adult themes.
0:45Nick:Good evening, my name's Angela Hartnick, coming to you from the BBC Live. The BBC Live, I love. Hi, welcome to Dish. I just said just before we started, I was like, should we be somewhere on the news? Good news name, Angela Hunter. Good news name. I think so, yeah. Yeah, quite a good news name. How are you, Ange? I'm very good. Thank you. And you? I'm good. I'm happy to be here on Dish from Waitrose. We're in August. We've just had Tom Holland on, not once, but twice. Did you enjoy your time with Tom? Love Tom. Such a nice guy. I thought he felt very relaxed. Definitely. Don't you think? Oh, very much so.
1:23Very much so. Like for a massive movie star. to hang out and do those episodes. I thought he felt very at home. He was like...
1:30Nick:I think he is, though. I think his family have a lot to take apart with that. Especially because he's been acting since he was so young. They would come to set, they know everyone. You know, when he talked about all the Spider-Man movies. So, yeah, he was brilliant, Tom. I think it was wonderful. Yeah. And he said he was married. And he said he was married. He did. Yeah. Did you want to ask more? Not really, to be fair. Because I like it when people are... It's his private life. It's his private life. They can do what he wants. But no, he was great. I really enjoyed it. If you've missed it, go have a listen back.
2:01He was on great form. We had skewers twice.
2:04Nick:Twice, yeah. Skewers twice. You won't believe it. We're having more skewers today. I know. Skewered over. It's enough now. Summer's over. What's going on with this skewer? We've got investments. Yeah, we've got a family pack of skewers. We've got to use them. We've got to use them. We've got to take it up in space. No waste is there, Sam. No waste. Take it up in space. No Waste podcast. We didn't waste. No, no waste. No waste. So we're having skewers till October. But today we welcome Jamie Lee O'Donnell, who you all know as a great actor. You'll probably know her best for Derry Girls. Yeah, playing Michelle.
2:33Michelle in Derry Girls, a breakout star of that. She's got a few things to talk about. Yeah. She's got coming up a few different projects.
2:39Nick:And lives in Barcelona, doesn't she? Yeah, she's flown over from, she lives in Barcelona and she's flown over at Four Dish. Yeah. And then she's flying back home. Yeah, I love that. I'd fly for a nice meal though. Someone said to me, do you want to go to Barcelona? I've flown to Barcelona for the day and had meal. Yeah. I missed my first flight. Yeah. That's a surprise. Can I tell you my story? So it was the Katie's, which is the big event where they celebrate the hospitality industry. As in the caterer. And did I win an award that night? Probably. I think I did. I genuinely think maybe I won chef of the year that night.
3:14Nick:And then I went out to the electric house with one of my investors. because who was there was Guy Ritchie. Not that I necessarily have a crush on Guy Ritchie, but I was, oh, Guy Ritchie. It was after Lock, Stock and Toothman, which I loved as a movie. And my friend says, you know, Guy, I know him. He's going to be there, so I'll come. So I was literally in the electric to like three in the morning and my flight was like six or something with Guy Ritchie and other people. And my flight was at six in the morning and I thought, being an idiot, I went home and thought, I'll have a power nap. Of course, I missed the whole flight.
3:46Nick:Got on the next flight, got a two-hour taxi from the airport in Barcelona to the restaurant, and it was a three-star restaurant I was late for, which is really bad. Really bad. Like the biggest, and it was, oh my God, El Bule, which at the time was one of the biggest restaurants in the world. But I was late by two and a half hours. Which is bad. Which is bad. But it's one of those restaurants, you have the table for the whole day, and you're having like, I think it's 34 courses. No. No, I'm not kidding you. is something ridiculous like that. And I was with other chefs and there were a couple of chefs who really get intense about it.
4:21Nick:And I'd already said in my head, please don't let me sit next to them because they're going to be, I just want to enjoy the occasion. And so fortunately when I got there, I wasn't sat next to who I didn't want to sit next to, which was brilliant. And also the staff were amazing. They came in and they were like, well, you have to have the El Bulle experience. So I had the El Bulle experience in two and a half hours as opposed to six and a half hours. Oh, wow. And it was fantastic. So they just kept bringing all the courses. I had them, next course, boom, boom. And it was like, that's how to do it.
4:48Nick:I mean, I'm not suggesting you're late for two and a half hours. But I had a great time. It was delicious. And there's still a course that I remember. You know the shape of an artichoke when you cut it in half? And they had made that picture on a plate out of rose petals with like an artichoke vinaigrette on top. It was absolutely phenomenal. But I didn't take any photos, didn't write any notes. I just had a great time. And I think I might have flown back that night or certainly the next morning. Wow. There you go. A little rock and roll there. Yeah, you are rock and roll, Ange. I like that you're like low-key rock and roll, but actually rock and roll.
5:25She's hardcore, Ange. That was it. Well, before we welcome Jamie in, who hopefully won't be doing a half hour slate, I thought we could talk seasonality. Yes. And something that makes me think of Barcelona.
5:39Nick:Padron Peppers, yes. Which can be grown in the UK. And we grow them through the summer. come out about July to sort of early October time in polytunnels or greenhouses. They obviously have this one, you know, you eat Padron peppers and then you get one that's really spicy. And apparently the longer they are, because they're longer into the season, the more spice they have. Oh, okay. So apparently that's the little tip. But they're a great thing to add to a dish. They're a great little nibble. They're great with beer. You're going to see them. You saw them the other day, or when we did it for Tom on a skewer.
6:15Nick:We're going to do them today on a skewer with some tuna and olives. And what do you do? Just fry them up in a hot pan? Fry them, fry them in a hot pan, or you can do them in the oven. But a hot pan's perfect until they start to blister. We do them, we make sometimes this, because you get the bigger ones, which are like the Frigitelli peppers. They're much longer. And we sort of do this like red pepper pesto, quite spicy, and that works really well with them. Nice, yeah. Yeah, they're a good little starter. They're good, yeah, they're perfect. And they're easy and quick. and the reason you cook them is the high heat, it sort of mellows out that real spice and it brings out that nuttiness.
6:47Nick:And listen, you could slice them and put them raw in something, but it is best eaten cooked. Yeah, have them cooked. It's not like one to whack in a salad. No, you don't want to be doing that. Okay, great. Well, shall we get Jamie in? Definitely. Let's do it. We have a guest today who likes their food to be sharp and sexy, but never wiggly. Please, a massive round of applause for Jamie Lee O'Donnell, everybody. Hello. Hi. Hi, Jimmy Lee. How are you? I'm really good. Flew in this morning from Barcelona. Yes. That's dedication. Just double dose two sugar-free Red Bulls, so I'm ready to go. Oh, wow.
7:24It's the perfect thing to have before a meal from Angela Hartner. Yeah. You think, bosh, two Red Bulls. I just do. And I actually finished one. I was like, can someone get me another one, please? I just wasn't quite doing it. And I had to stop drinking Red Bull when I was on set. Or the Irish version, Bust. which they're multitude of flavours it's what you're here to promote today isn't it promotion new face of boost yeah but they ended up do you know how you sort of you crash off them I was doing that constantly and I was like I can't figure out why I'm so tired and I was like oh it's that it might be all that so I stop it until I need it until you need it yeah yeah yeah until you need it so you've flown in from Barcelona yes and you've moved there now yeah how long have you been living there just over a year a year and a few months it's great and how come Barcelona why was that the spot you moved to I don't know I could ask this I honestly don't know I just I just sort of thought where should I go trust the universe and all that I was wrapping up therapy back home I finally did some therapy which I know is a pretty big deal for an Irish woman but but it was great
8:28Nick:well you had to leave the country I was like I'm getting notions of myself I need you leave but no I I just I was just trying to figure some stuff out you know you kind of get to a certain point of your life for your career or whatever. And then you're like, oh, that is a problem. I need to figure that out. When you're like, la, la, la. It doesn't matter. It won't affect me. And then you're like, it's affecting every single thing I do. Yeah. So I did therapy, which was pretty intense. I'm really tough, to be honest. And then I got to the end of it. I completed it. Well done. She's cured. Cured, guys.
9:01All the healing's done. Thanks very much. And then it was like, right now, time to sort of have a good big start for myself. So I just sold my house and just went, personally I know I love that but it's amazing to do yeah yeah it's brave well I sort of I've always been the sort of hyper independence and if I wanted to do something I'd done my research and then just did it you know what I mean and there's a lot of good and bad with that you sort of learn by mistakes and as you keep going and stuff and I've had plenty but this time thankfully it's worked out really well and you've still got family back in Ireland yes
9:35Nick:so you can visit quite easily if you want to or they can come out and stuff yeah well That's part of the therapy. I had to go no contact with my entire family. Oh, wow. I know, exclusive. But aye, it's just one of those things. And the more I've talked about it and been honest about it, I'm saying, unfortunately, it's not the most unusual thing for adults. And it's just the way it is. But Barcelona is a perfect place to just like a new start. And I spent an absolute fortune on rent in my first place. I done as much research as possible. I didn't know anybody over there. So I went over for a little few nights a few months before and had a wee look around and I was like, yep, this will do.
10:11This is me. This will work. I took myself out for dinner to a jazz restaurant and I was like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with myself. And then, and I started smoking for like five minutes and I was like, I'm so sexy and thin. But it's honestly been great. Just shifting the visuals. It's been gorgeous. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you think like you've got to just do what you do. You just have to do it. That's the place to be. Because if it went, if it didn't go well I would be in the same position I was in then Yeah, sure And I've always done that no matter what I was doing Yeah And it's lucky if you don't start from a great place Yeah Silver lining But you just have to give it a go because if it doesn't work so what?
10:51Just try something else Yeah
10:52Nick:And what's your Spanish like? It's alright Yeah Mi español es un poquito Oh Very good That's all fancy It just means it's very small Yeah Well we've gone for a rioca because we thought you know You're basically Spanish Gracias Yes Gracias. Gracias, me amor. One of the things I got taught, because I thought I want to learn Spanish, and I think that most Januaries, I should learn a language. And then one of the things I was taught was to watch like teleprograms, you know, in that language, like watch Friends or something, because you sort of know the characters and you can do that. Did you do any of that?
11:24Did you watch different in Spanish? I mean, it's on the list. Yeah. I like my only way of, you know, using like workbooks and stuff. I like having my own wee office, my wee stud area. but it's it's the stopping and starting whenever I'm working because then you have to learn lines and sort of go on to the whole other version of learning and when I first got there I was like this is that time in Spain and I'm going to be tan all year round it's wonderful and I got like four jobs back to back in Ireland which was great for me to keep around and I was like it's Belfast and I was like okay great and then I was done and I was like so it's Dublin next and I was like great is there anything in like I don't know Monaco or Paris and he was like no I was like okay great okay great great stuff well welcome and cheers thank you for making the effort from Barcelona to Dish HQ cheers thanks for having me yeah thank you for coming yeah oh yeah oh that's the right temperature we are
12:16Nick:yeah we'll feel that well actually what oh no here we go I've had one step actually guys actually let me tell you something before we drink it in Spain do you like a cold one would you like a cold one yeah would you like an ice cube and stuff we've got one for sure no I'm okay I just wanted to brag about being in Spain she's Spanish she's Spanish she's Spanish Donald was my surname yeah think about it think about it my mum had a cold red wine which we spoke about and it was about it was knocking on six years ago now she still mentions it every time she's in London don't take us to that place with a cold red wine I was like it was meant to be cold she said I think they're having you on I'm like no I said they'll do it in Europe she said not in Europe yeah room temp room temp fair enough We've got a little, to start, some gilders.
13:06A little bit of manchego. Manchego as well. Can I have a gilder now, Ange? Yeah, of course. I love these.
13:11Nick:And some lovely olive oil crisps. Yeah, that's another thing which I've noticed about Spain, because I'm quite like a wee bit of a snacker sometimes. Yeah. The crisp flavours, I think we're spoiled over here in a really good way. There's not enough flavours in Spain. It's not great, if I'm honest. Especially when you're trying to do a crisp toastie. Sorry, crisp toasty. Do tell, do tell. So it's just exactly what it is. It's toast, real butter, maybe a bit of salt and some really good flavoured crisps. So not cheese toasty with crisps, is it? No, no, no. You don't want to go up with cheese. I'm funny about textures.
13:45Now, we spoke in your intro that you like your food to be sharp and to be sexy. Yeah. Not wriggly. Not wriggly. Talk to us about wriggly. What have you experienced as wriggly? What are we going to avoid today? Well, for the longest time, I didn't really eat meat. And then I was sort of pescetarian for a few years after because I just never got on board with the texture of meat. I do eat meat now because I'm gluten-free. Why are you gluten-free? Allergy or choice? No, allergy. I swole up at one point when I first went to spade. I didn't know what was happening. I was exercising like four times a week and I was trying to eat really healthy and figure out, you know, you've got stomach stuff.
14:20Yeah. And I was at work and then I'd have my costume on in the morning and then I would go for lunch and I would eat something really light. Well, not light. I mean like really unfussy. Yeah, yeah. So you have just like pasta and some flavours. And just to keep it really simple. And then after lunch, I would go to try on my costume again and it wouldn't fit. And I'd be really bloated and really sore. And I was like, something has to... I said, why does this happen every time I go to work? And I just had to figure it out. And when I first moved to Spain for the first wee while, every time I was coming back from the gym, I was getting a full baguette of hot bread.
14:52And I was like, blah, blah, blah, eating it on my home. It's like, this is the life. So I was overdoing gluten, overdoing bread and pasta and carbs and stuff. obviously being Irish and then after a while somebody eventually was like it's probably gluten and you know it's like the last thing you want to accept because it's like no brain it's not gluten it's something else it must be like the water or something and then I just refused and they're like you can't eat bread anymore and I was like it's not that it has to be something else so then eventually I stopped and it's like I shrank like my friend seen me after like a week and a half and she's like you look like you've lost about two stone because it was actually getting puffy my bones, do you know what I mean?
15:30Everything was just like my ears. That's quite a severe allergy. It was, but I also overdid it. Like I do absolutely everything. I underdo it or over. You got like a foot of bread on the way home. Basically, every time. And then I thought to myself before I would accept that it was gluten, I was like, am I bulking? Is this the bulking at the gym? Maybe I'm just bulking because my arms are really puffing and I was like, well, I'll just wake up and I'll be really muscly. But no, it was the gluten. So nothing wriggly. So you've had to navigate sort of a new way of eating when you can't eat something.
16:00Yeah, well, I introduced meat because cutting out gluten and meat and whatever, I was like, it's too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I thought, and I had some weird eating stuff growing up, which could be code for like an eating disorder. But you know, when you're Irish, like it's just some weird eating stuff, but it probably was. Where I just, obviously if you're not feeling your best mentally, food for me is like the first thing to go. Right. I just can't be bothered. and my appetite goes and I'm just like, I just don't see the point. So I found myself then having to be like active and eating stuff and then things like the wiggliness or the textures would really set me off.
16:37So then I just had to be, I just had to be brave.
16:40Nick:Yeah. I had to be brave and I needed steak. I actually did try it. So you don't want anything too soft, is it? I don't like things that are too soft. I don't like things like, do you know the way you have monkfish? Yeah. The part with a wee tiny that looks like teeth. By the way, just so you know, I have a real habit of putting other people off food. Okay. Years ago, I put a few of my friends... This could be our last episode of the podcast. It could be, can I just destroy it? Oh, no. Can you imagine? I actually put a few of my friends off chicken for like a year at one point because I described the reasons why I don't like it and they were like, I've never noticed that before.
17:14And it's like, when someone was like, we should try oysters. And I was like, let's not. Let's not. Let's not. We thought we could go through your food likes and dislikes. Yes. We always get these. We always ask our guests to put these together before they come in. You told us that you love the sharpest of sharp flavours. Lemon and lime, rich feta, pickled onion, very salty. You said tuna steak is my favourite with some interesting fries or sharp veg.
17:39Nick:Yeah. Yeah, that's a good direction, don't you think? That works well because tuna's fatty, the sharpness of that, that works. But I do like tuna really well done, which I've had before in restaurants and fancy schmancy ones where the waiter will just come back out and say the chef said no. And I was like, okay, I'll just order something else. Wow. No, no, I think that's really wrong to do that. Do you think? Yeah, I do. I think it's your business is about hospitality. Yeah. It's about looking after the guests. They're like, I remember a guy had this French chef and someone said a pigeon, well done.
18:07Nick:And he goes, we can't do that? I said, of course we can. They're paying for it. That's their choice. My mum loves her meat well done and her fish well done. And so what am I going to say to my mum? No, sorry, mum, that's the way I do it. And you're like, well, something's a bit rude. Come to us, we'll always cook it well done for you. And then it's just to avoid the wiggliness. And no wiggliness. This is it. So we're going to have tuna today. I'm going to go and get that now. Oh, thank you. Not wiggly. Not wiggly. Not wiggly. You also said that you love a chicken box. What's a chicken box? So the takeaways in dairy are, I think, iconic.
18:40So a chicken box is like a staple and it's usually best eaten after a few drinks, after Lip Hub. And it's chips. then you would have sometimes fried peppers and onions and then you would have your fried breast of chicken chopped up, diced and then you put it all over the chips and then you do three sauces so you do garlic, you do chilli and then you do taco and then sometimes you put cheese on it or coleslaw, which I've not done to that then you close it over and you give it to somebody and you walk home with your food and a plastic fork it's gorge, it has gorge I said good chippy. So it's like shredded chicken.
19:23I thought it was just going to be like a chicken wing. No, no, no. It's a breast of chicken. Wow. Okay, yum. And then have you noticed like a big food sort of cultural shift moving to Barcelona? Like in the way that the Spanish eat or the time that they eat or what they eat? So I was again doing that thing where I was eating sort of like an Irish person. So we were eating quite late. They were like, we'll see you at half 10 for dinner. And I was like, okay. Usually I'm in bed by then. But I was like, okay, new life. new me let's go and I would go out and I would order like the carbs I would order food food and they were like well why would you order that that's going to be hard to eat it's about late and they would order like a tiny bit of like asparagus with you know sliced up steak medium rare sort of vibe and I'm there with like the potatoes bravis and the bread and tomato and garlic and then I'm just sitting there like with a big swollen stomach and I'm like this doesn't work for me but you just have to adjust obviously the type of food and how dense it is with the time.
20:23With the time. With the time, which seems obvious, but you have to sort of make a mistake. Well, you've got to live it to know it. You've got to live it. You've got to live it to know it. Yeah. And have you fallen into, like, love with any particular places? Is there, like, a particular spot that you love going to? So there's a place called El Nino and it is, like, South American and it does the sexiest rice you've ever tasted and it also does, like, fried tuna. Oh, yeah. And I don't know how they do it, but it's like chunks of it. But it's the tastiest thing I've ever had. It's absolutely gorgeous.
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20:56Oh, yeah. So it's like a fried tuna and rice and it's like South American. Oh, nice. El Nino. El Nino. El Nino. El Nino. If you were to cook, say, me and Ange in Barcelona on our holidays, we want to hang out with you. What would you cook knowing that Her Royal Highness Angela Hartnett is coming around for dinner? Well, the first course would be a bottle of wine each. Yes. take the head shot we know you just met how did you know Bartlewini that's it maybe some music maybe a wee dance just to sort of gauge how far along everybody was and then just give you anything but no I would probably do like a pesto and lemon and fennel pasta oh yeah oh very nice wait this is something I wanted to ask you didn't you own a corner shop yeah you did yes tell me about this how this was and when was this I've always been slightly entrepreneurial in a lot of ways.
21:51I love you at a corner shop. Yeah. It was just, the opportunity came up. It was years ago. It was just before I got Dairy Girls as well. And it was to invest in a wee business. So, thank you.
22:03Nick:Pleasure. Lovely. Thanks. Ooh. So, yeah, just the opportunity came up and I, I'm very sort of, just go for it and see what happens. I had a wee bit of savings. It was only a wee venture. It didn't go well. No, it didn't. No, it didn't go well at all. It didn't go well. Did you ever do a shift? I opened to close. It was like 6.30, day 11, like most days. You were working in there? Yeah, because it was my shop. So I was like, I'll do it all. It smells gorgeous. But I'm glad of it. You know, I don't think there's such a thing as failures. It's just like things didn't quite work out. So you just draw a line on it, move on, you know.
22:37So is this your job, guys? Just eat, drink, chat. This actually is our job, yeah. I love it. So, Ange, tell us what we've got here today.
22:48Nick:So we've got grilleders, so it's a take on gilders by Helen Graves. But grilled. But grilled. And so we've got tuna, olives and Padron peppers that we skewer. Grace them either on a barbecue or you can have them, you know, obviously we did it in a pan here. And then we make a little dressing with some lemon juice, some grated garlic, clear honey, chopped parsley and olive oil. And then once they're cooked, you basically put all of that on top of your skewers. And then serve with lemon wedges. So, you know, you've got the citrus in the dressing plus the lemon wedges on the side. And then we've done Georgina Hayden, who we really love, her version of sort of a Greek salad.
23:24Nick:So she's got whipped feta underneath and then we've got chopped tomato, chopped cucumber with mint and olives. And then we pickle these red onions in a touch of vinegar, salt and sugar. And then red onions, that dressing then becomes a dressing on the salad, mixed in. So as you go underneath, you get that lovely whipped feta and then all the beautiful vegetables on top. I'd love to try it. And then the potatoes with just some little potatoes. That we just did with a little bit of Ottolanghi, smoky spice, touch of olive oil and parsley. And a little bit of tinned tomatoes. Oh, it's really good, Ange.
23:55It's gorgeous, thank you.
23:56Nick:So, you know, piece away. Delighted. And we would serve it with a Lebron rose. Was there any tips, Ange, if you are doing this, that you think people, if they want to try this, they should do, they shouldn't do? Well, I think you soak your skewers, we've said that before, so that they don't burn when you barbecue them. I think get the freshest of freshest tuna. And I think it's something you just make, cook it and eat it. You can make the dressing the night before if you want to speed up and you can skewer everything, but I think you cook it, eat it, like we've just done. It's not something you sort of hold for half an hour or 40 minutes.
24:28Nick:I think you just want to, because it's so fresh. And I think, yeah, you can, and I think the tuna works. If you wanted to change it up, you could do monkfish, you know, another fish you could. Not for you, obviously. Gives me the crepes. It's one of those. But you need a chunky fish. But you could, that would work well with lamb or even pork shoulder or something. something meaty, you know, and you can marinate that up. And you can even use that marinade without the parsley, you know, the honey, the garlic, the olive oil would work really well. If you want to try this recipe or any of the recipes, you can get them all on waitrose.com forward slash dish recipes.
25:01The ingredients are on there. Video, done by Ange. Video. The wine pairing, it's all on there. Yeah, sensational. I do say this every week.
25:10Nick:I could make this at home. I could make that at home. I feel like that's easy to do on a barbecue. you oh my god if you can't do this come on wow um sorry i don't mean that no no if you can't do this you're putting a piece of tuna a pattern although when i was doing it i was going tuna pepper olive tuna pepper olive and then i went hold on what am i doing tuna oh right yeah and harrick i said don't confuse me don't confuse me um so um so yeah i mean and then the dressing's good the dressing i mean the thing is listen you like it well done some Some people like tuna cooked a bit more rare. It's up to you.
25:47Nick:But because it's so fresh, even if you cook it more well done than you might do naturally, it's still going to be delicious. It's not going to be dry. It hasn't been sitting there. And you've got that lovely marinade that's going to really enhance it. So make your marinade, do it. And also, I think the other thing, I will say that about Christmas, but the same with barbecues, less is more. Totally. Do two or three things really brilliantly and make them delicious rather than try and do 20 things. And then you've got raw this, raw that, and too much going on. no space to put anything. There you go.
26:16Nick:There you go. Yeah, we've learned a lesson there, haven't we, Jamie? There we go. We have indeed. There's loads we want to talk to you about. There's shows we want to talk about in a second, but I watched what you're doing, I think, at Goodwood. Yes. Goodwood Revival, which is this historic motor race meeting where they all meet up and race in period cars. My friend went last year and loved it. So vintage everything or clothing or... Everything and cars. The whole lot, okay. Yeah. And have you got all your outfits sorted? Are you wearing one or have you got an array of different... I'm going to do this after.
26:45Yes. Oh, really? Yeah, we try on, we play about, we dress up. Oh my God, that'd be amazing. Can you go for any era or is it specific? I think they were saying it's 40s, 50s, 60s, mostly. And you're going to be there talking about that passion for fashion and costumes as well on shows. Is that like quite important for you, the costume element when you're doing a character to sort of get you into the zone? Yeah, I think every sort of piece of the puzzle that comes together for the character is really important. And I think just how the clothes fit and how the fit wear and things like that and how you sort of walk and move around in it is really important.
27:26And then obviously the hair and makeup, it all sort of comes together as the character. And those teams work really closely together. So it's really important. Because it's how you feel, isn't it? Even like day to day, your clothes really can inform how you feel. so whenever you're on set or stage and you have to do something over and over for example those clothes are a really good reminder and you get into that way of thinking a lot and do you ever, because it must help you get into that frame mind of what character you're going to be like as you say it must change your whole mind do you ever do anything else to help get you there do you ever make playlists I have done sometimes I've usually done like a perfume so you can go back to that character Yes, and have it sort of in my bag or have it in the dressing room.
28:11And that does help as well. I think it's just these wee signature things and it can be different sometimes for every job. And it's just, I always sort of get myself in a position where I know what they're, this is going to sound weird, but like the way they look through their eyes, if you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's how you look at somebody and the way your mind is behind that. For me, whenever you're going through it and you're doing your work on the script and the character and then the pain it just drops of who they are. and I feel like the decision's just made and then we things like that obviously with hair, makeup, shoes like perfume will help but it's how you look at other people for me anyway it's the way you look at other people and we also got to talk about Girl Group so tell us about Girl Group because this is like on the way and this is you starring in this movie and Rebel Wilson and Rebel Wilson's directed it as well she's directed, written and starred which was incredible and I did watch her do that not lazy not at all not at all worked hard not lazy and there's some like big names for music involved in this as well so Nicole Scherzinger Shazney Lewis we have another Ashley from Pusquette Dolls Mel C is on it as well now I didn't meet any of these people so I'm trying to remember from the call sheet that's classic filming because when I watch a film I'm like well obviously they all know it yeah they're all friends together they're all friends Jennifer College is on it as well oh wow and I so it was just loads of fun it was just one of those mad jobs that came about and I sent in a wee tape and then I was taping at the time for quite a lot of things so it just was like, okay, the tape's gone and it was a bit mental because they were like, do your own thing with it and see where you go and for some reason my default is a bit sleazy and I don't know why.
29:52It just sort of, it just comes on camera and just feels a wee bit creepy and it worked. And it worked, it's true. They were like, great, sleaze. Great. And you play like Rebels Rival, right? Yes. Yeah. So the movie, I don't know what I'm able to say but I think it's been announced and it's out there. So Rebel's character is an ex-pop star and she was in a massive girl group and then she has like sort of fallen off in a way and then an opportunity comes around again for her to reclaim her celebrity status but this time as a manager of her own girl group and sort of be at the top of the tree through this nationwide competition.
30:35to try and get your group this record contract. So that's her trip back to the top. And then she comes up against some competition and rivals, and that's where I step in. And I have my own team, which were, on paper, superior, and like the bitch team. Okay. You know what I mean? Like we walk in and we're amazing and we know we are.
30:59Nick:Yeah. And we know where everyone else is. Mean girls. Yeah, we're mean girls, but we've earned it. Yeah, you're allowed to be. I like that justifying justifying and do you like because it's girl group you know it's about girls do you get to sing or dance no I've got one of these though oh yes and I've got like what I call the middle class mum like bitch bob where when we were doing the hair they gave me a like blowout and then sprayed it within an inch of its life because I wanted it to move like independently from my head but it's one piece like a Lego piece I just see really sort of what I was talking I mean I think I would just move by itself and one of the because it was filmed in London even though it was set in America and one of the crew guys came over and a few people were like oh we've seen Derek Harris and I was like oh nice to meet you and they were like by the way that's a great wig it's really funny it's ridiculous and I was like that's my hair and they were like I'm so sorry and I was like no I love it because that's kind of the point I wanted it to look like I wanted it I wanted it to look a wee bit just almost strange and intimidating like it's about to come off and bite you yeah yeah yeah And it worked.
32:04Yeah, it worked. That's a great wig. That's my hair. That's my face. I'm here. That's my actual hair. And it was like, it's ridiculous. And I was like, yeah, it's my hair. And he's like, I'm so sorry. And I was like, no, no, don't be sorry. Yeah. It's character. It's a desired effect. Yeah. That's what we wanted. You're not like walking around with that one. Yeah. And then he was like, and you're also really ugly. And I said, no, I'm joking. But it's too far. Too far. Too far. And does that happen all the time that people come up to? Because Dairy Girls was so big and so huge. You must have, I mean, people in the street saying it, but then do people say it all the time on like set and on jobs?
32:35Because it was like so universally loved, wasn't it? It does happen. I think it's one of those jobs that whenever I do anything, you'll get the opportunity to be like, I know this is not allowed, but can I get a photograph? And I don't mind it because I agree. I'm really proud of it. I think it's such a universal show. And the type of people who ask and come up and want a photo is like so varied, which I think is just such a great reflection of it. And there's so many like older men, and be like, listen, my daughter, or my granddaughter, she'll love this, she'll think, I'm class, can I please get bored?
33:04I'm like, of course. And it's really nice. So that does happen a lot. We had Saoirse on, Saoirse Monica Jackson, which was like, what, 2024? Yeah. And she, I mean, we had such a funny time with her. And she was just talking about, you know, like the great memories of it. And, you know, it's just basically saying that, yeah, it's such a universally loved show and stuff. And you guys, you met in the audition process, right? Well, did I. That's cute. Everybody met, we all met there. It was like the fourth audition in about eight months, which was like torture. And we met at the chemistry reeds where you sort of swap actors in and out to see who's going to be the final group.
33:40You know, because obviously that's really important. Yeah, and I think because all of our careers took off at that point, even though we'd all been working at various lengths, but all quite a lot at doing that sort of, you know, like on the grind and trying to do different things and really busting our traps. And then suddenly it all took off for all of us.
33:56Nick:So it was about like, it was mental. I got quite emotional at the end. You know, the scene where, you know, your head teacher and the bishop's trying to get rid of her. Yeah. And then the bit that you all vote. You know, because that's history. That happened. You know, we lived through it in the sense that we were alive when the historic agreement happened. But you lived through it more so, being in Northern Ireland and stuff. I mean, I thought it was brilliant, that ending. It was just amazing. It was incredible. And because, obviously, it's hometown and my community, it's just got this wee extra special bit of pride where, and to show us in such a positive light and such a sort of like successful light in a lot of ways it was just it was really overwhelming and I really felt that the sort of sense of responsibility that came with it and it wasn't asked of me it was something that I naturally wanted to do and I was really protective of her and it's done amazing and for that to be the iconic role I mean who knows what's to come but I don't think anything will quite beat Michelle and I don't mind that do you know what I mean I think I can do I think I can do incredible stuff and I have and I'm really excited for the next steps in my career but Michelle will just always be like the top spot of Icon because it's for Lisa to write that character and for her to give that platform that opportunity for me to do what I want to do with it like it's it's something I'll always be grateful for and I'll always be massively appreciative to Lisa McGee Now one thing that I heard and I don't know if this is true is that people pretend to be you Yeah I think they're mistaken for me.
35:28Right. And they just go with it. And they roll with it. Yeah. How do you know about this? Do they message you? They come up and tell me. Right. When I'm back home or just it seems to happen a lot. I think I've got one of those faces because I guess a lot of people, like even years ago when I'd be out in Derry, like bouncers would be like, there's so-and-so, there's Jennifer. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not. And they're like, you know who you are. And I'm like, what did Jennifer do? And there was a point, there was one point I wasn't allowed into a bar and they were like, like, you're barred from last week?
35:57And I was like, no, but that's not me. And they're like, it is you. And I said, Jennifer Lopez was hearing dairy. I know what they're saying. How did that happen? How did she behave? What did she do? Oh my goodness, I swear it's not me, I swear. But, so I think I just, I've always had a face, one of those faces where I was mistaken for people. Or just like really, really dairy. One of the two, maybe both. And a couple of times people have come up to me and be like, guess what? So I was in New York on holidays and the bar staff thought I was Michelle. I thought I was you. So they were like, oh my God, you're Michelle from Dairy Years.
36:30And I said, I, of course I am. They got them for free. Got loads of free drinks. They got a table. All our friends. So good. Fair enough. And I've always said, you know, dairy is the brass neck capital of the world. And I just like, go for it. Go for it. You know what I mean? You don't hurt anybody. She's on taking photographs and stuff. Thank you guys. Wow. People have sent, like over the years, people had, when I, when I check a message, which I don't do a whole lot, but people have actually sent me photographs. Thanks. Great to meet you. You were so lovely. My father says hello. It's a picture of just a random woman like this.
37:06And you can see her fish. She's like, ooh. She's like, ooh. Love it.
37:13Jamie, are you ready for your fast food quiz? It's quick fire. Hang on, hang on. Okay. Oh, I love that. Slope the wine. Okay. Get yourself ready. Are you ready? Okay. What is your favorite way to eat eggs? Hard boiled. Favourite sandwich filling? Tuna. What's the best form of potato? Mash. No, actually, sorry. What do you call it? Champ.
37:34Nick:Champ, okay, with the cabbage. It's mashed potato and cabbage, right? It's a coconut. Oh, right, wrong. Champ has scallions. Oh, right, okay. Favourite herb? Rocket. What's the best crisp? Anything pickled onion. Okay, favourite fruit? Watermelon or pineapple. Jamie, what is your favourite kitchen utensil? Do you know the pasta thing that we hand does this? Yeah. And it's got a wee hole at the bottom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? It's a spaghetti lifter. Yeah, it is. A spaghetti lifter. Is that the real name? I think so. I think it's a special name. I mean, it's a spoon, isn't it? With a hole.
38:08Nick:But that's what you use it for spaghetti, don't you? Yeah, it's like a claw. I think it's called a skettispin. The skettispin. The skettispin. I think that's what they call it in Italy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Skettispin. Nice, we like that. We haven't had that one before. What's your favourite Sunday roast? Oh, I do like a nice nut roast if I can get a good one. Yeah. With flavours. Not a dry one. Not a dry one. Not a dry shaped one. A fennel and nut. Yeah, that'd be nice. What is your favourite beverage, both hot and cold? I love a cup of tea. I love a cup of tea. Bars, tea bags specifically, which I've sourced over here, the Irish tea bags, and brought over to Spain.
38:46And my favourite cold one is just iced water. Not to sound boring, but I do love a good iced water. She's about hydration. She's about hydration. She's about hydration. I'm in Spain, guys.
38:55Nick:You're in the heat. You're in the heat. What's your favourite toast topping? Peanut butter with honey. And finally, I feel like we should go for ice cream. Yeah. Tis the season. What's your favourite ice cream? I love like a butterscotch, like a caramel or something like that. Nice, yeah. Yum. Sweet. I know people are really into the pistachio vibe. I do think it's nice, but dare I say it's slightly overrated. just a wee teeny tiny bit it's in everything calm down yeah too much it's like kale for a while chocolate again it's like kale and I used to end up putting kale into smoothies because it's too earthy yeah yeah yeah it's like beetroot that hasn't been pickled yeah yeah yeah it's fine but you're about like oh now I'm in the ground yeah yeah now I'm down here yeah soily farming we were on the table for a minute and now I'm on the ground yeah and I don't like it now I'm done now now I'm done now well you passed yeah you passed you passed delighted you were very quick as well Yeah, you are good.
39:50We have a lot of food that takes forever. I've recently realised through therapy that I'm quite competitive. Oh! I had no idea. Jamie, we come to the end of the show question. For your chance to win this week, trust me, back. Can I get this to go? Yeah, you can get that to go. You actually can. And the salad and the potatoes, the whole thing. Oh! Your end of the show question is in this golden envelope. Okay. Oh, yeah, is this fets? Okay. Here we go. Hi, Jamie Lee. Thanks for joining us today on Dish. you are stunningly beautiful guys shut up it's been a festivite we know you recently swapped dairy for Barcelona so we're calling on your expertise for a chance to win the waitress goodie bag we'd like you to play Spanish tapas themed this or that yes thanks team dish thanks team dish yes okay so we're basically gonna find the best tapas Jamie Lee yes paella or tortilla
40:47Nick:paella paella Paella. Paella. Oh, there we go. Paella. Jamon. Iberico or manchego? Iberico, jamon. Yeah. Patatas bravas or croquetas? Patatas bravas. Okay. Gilda or bocarones? I don't know what they are. That's a gilda. Gilda. Bocarones, that anchovies in vinegar. Oh, this one. Gilda. Gilda. Yeah. Boccadillo de calamaris or gazpacho? Gazpacho. I don't like calamari because I've had too much of it when it was stringy. Pan con tomato. Or bread and aioli. Bread and aioli. Yes. Isn't it amazing that in Spain you're like, yes, I will eat tablespoons of this. Yes. But here, you wouldn't have a tablespoon of mayonnaise, would you?
41:28No, because it's not good garlic in it there. No. But you have to dab something in. I don't think they eat it by this spoon. I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. Okay, you're on holiday. Do what you want. I do. Would you like a rye at the same time? I'd get it in there.
41:38Nick:Why not? Creme Catalana or Basque cheesecake? Basque cheesecake. Would you do a lunch vermouth or a late night churros and chocolate? Light-natured and chocolate. I think Vermouth is about to blow the head off you. I'm not used to it. I can't do it. So, Jamie, our question is, which of those is the sexiest, do you feel? I think with a nice cover, the Manchengo cheese can be really beautiful. Especially if you can get some pan and aveola. I just want to say areola. That's nipples. If you can get some bread and some areola. No, she means the nipple area. I mean the nipple. She means the nipple. I know why I mean the nipple.
42:20She wanted sharp and sexy food. That's all we've got. And there's nothing sexier than my nipples. Yeah. And I think that means the goodie bag is yours, Jamie. I think it does. Yay! Thank you. The goodie bag is yours. And it's saucy. It's saucy. Lovely. And Jamie, thank you so much. That was so fun. Thanks for having me. A round of applause, Jamie, Leo, Don, and our lovely party. Thank you. If that episode has left you wanting more, find us on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Just search Dish.
42:54Nick:If you want to make any of the meals I cook on Dish, head to Waitrose.com forward slash Dish recipes for all the ingredients and the recipes. Email your questions, thoughts and suggestions to dish at waitrose.co.uk. Dish from Waitrose is a cold glass production. Waitrose, the home of food lovers.
From the publisher
Fresh off a flight to take a seat at the Dish table.
Jamie-Lee O’Donnell is an Irish actor known for her roles in Screws, Leonard & Hungry Paul, and Derry Girls as the iconic Michelle Mallon. Jamie-Lee jetted in from Barcelona to be with Nick and Angela for lunchtime skewers, and a catch up about film, TV and fashion projects galore.
Fuelled by energy drinks after an early flight, Jamie-Lee brings no shortage of strong food opinions to the table. She loves her meals to be sharp and sexy, but not wiggly, and feels passionately about crisp toasties and a chicken box after a night out at ‘le pub’.
Angela responds to her list of likes and dislikes with a Spanish-influenced meal for Jamie-Lee. Starting with gildas three ways before tuna grill-das, served with a tomato & cucumber salad with mint & whipped feta, and a side of sweet and smokey Cornish potatoes. We begin with a glass of Campo Viejo Rioja Tempranillo Red Wine, while the main is paired with a bottle of Fleur d'Azur Luberon Rosé by the Waitrose wine experts.
Jamie-Lee can be seen at the Goodwood Revival, which takes place from 18-20 September. She’s appearing on the Style Stage to talk about her passion for fashion and the importance of costume across her variety of roles. Tickets for the weekend are on sale right now. We also chat about Jamie-Lee’s role in the upcoming movie Girl Group, directed by Rebel Wilson, and find out about a haircut that proves to be a real talking point.
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All recipes from this podcast can be found at waitrose.com/dishrecipes
The grill-das recipe was created for Waitrose by Helen Graves.
The recipe for the tomato & cucumber salad with mint & whipped feta was created for Waitrose by Georgina Hayden.
A transcript for this episode can be found at waitrose.com/dish
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Dish from Waitrose is made by Cold Glass Productions
00:00 - Welcome & a Tom Holland de-brief!
01:55 - Today’s guest
02:10 - Angela’s rock ‘n’ roll night in Barcelona!
04:48 - It’s padrón pepper season!
06:31 - Jamie-Lee O’Donnell fresh from Barcelona!
11:35 - A Rioja cheers!
12:32 - Tapas starters
12:58 - Crisp toasties, wriggly food & goodbye gluten!
16:50 - Jamie-Lee’s food likes!
18:02 - A Derry chicken box?
18:59 - Spanish meal times & food favourites
21:09 - Jamie-Lee’s former corner shop!
22:14 - Food is served!
23:29 - Wine pairing
23:34- Top tips?!
25:49 - Goodwood Revival & adapting to new roles
28:19 - Girl Group & impressive wigs
31:55 - The Derry Girls love lives on!
34:49 - The many doppelgangers of Jamie-Lee
36:42 - Fast food quiz
39:28 - End of the show question
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