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Podcast Notes: Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
Episode Title
EASY Instant Boost to Click-Throughs and Conversions! 🫠(and My 50th Bday Plans?)🫠 Jay’s SCOOP | Ep. 450
Podcast Description "Do This, NOT That!" is a marketing podcast that provides actionable insights and strategies for marketers at all levels. The podcast explores various psychological principles and marketing techniques that can enhance decision-making, audience engagement, and conversion rates.
Key Themes and Topics
- False Choice Button Pairing
- A quick and effective tactic to improve conversion rates.
- The technique involves creating two buttons on a landing page:
- A "Yes" button that sounds positive and heroic.
- A "No" button that sounds negative or self-deprecating.
- Psychology in Marketing
- Discusses key psychological concepts such as:
- Framing Effect: How the presentation of choices can influence decisions.
- Loss Aversion: The tendency to prefer avoiding losses over acquiring equivalent gains.
- Emphasizes that people are motivated to avoid feeling foolish or losing out, which can be leveraged in marketing.
Actionable Insights
- Button Examples for Marketing:
- Groupon: "Sign up for free deals" vs. "No thanks, I hate saving money."
- Dollar Shave Club: "Start my shave plan" vs. "No thanks, I like overpaying for razors."
- Shopify: "Start building stores" vs. "No thanks, I don’t like money."
- Impact on Conversion Rates:
- False choice button pairing can significantly increase conversion rates:
- Business offers: +24%
- Consumer offers: +18%
- Lead magnet signups: +22%
- Free trial pages: +15%
- Webinar registration: +17%
- Newsletter signups: +28%
Personal Anecdote
- Jay shares his personal reflection about turning 50, expressing a desire to spend his birthday on a farm with chickens instead of having a traditional celebration. He humorously contrasts his personal preferences with his family's expectations.
Conclusion
- The episode ends with a call to action for listeners to review the podcast, engage with Jay on social media, and check out his upcoming book titled *Stupider People Have Done It*, with all proceeds supporting cancer research.
Key Takeaways
- Simple tweaks in marketing strategies, like clever button phrasing, can lead to higher conversion rates without any technical hurdles.
- Psychological insights into consumer behavior can be leveraged for impactful marketing.
- Personal stories from Jay add a relatable touch, contrasting professional marketing discussions with personal reflections.
Additional Resources
- Follow Jay on his social media platforms:
- [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson)
- [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelson)
- [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/)
- Pre-order Jay's book *Stupider People Have Done It* [here](https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Power of False Choice Button Pairing
0:45 to 5:30
Learn how false choice button pairing can dramatically increase conversions.
“And yes, big brands do this all the time.”
Personal Reflections on Turning 50
5:30 to 7:45
Jay shares his humorous thoughts and plans for his 50th birthday.
“I said, what I would really like to do is find a farm somewhere.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Welcome to Do This Not That, the podcast from marketers. We share quick tips, things you can do right now, and then we add a little bit of chaos at the end of every episode. We also keep it short, like this intro. Let's check it out. We are back for Do This, Not That, and I get excited whenever there are tactics that cost nothing, take five seconds to try, you don't need to get your IT department involved, and they can increase your conversions by over 20%. It doesn't matter if you're a business marketer, a consumer marketer, a nonprofit marketer. This crushes it. So what are we talking about?
0:38We're talking about false choice button pairing. What? What does that even mean? And yes, big brands do this all the time. I'll give you a million examples. It crushes it. But if I said to you, okay, you're on this landing page, all right, and there are two buttons on the page. One button says, yes, show me the playbook. And then another button says, no, I like wasting money. Which one are you going to click? You're going to click the one that says, yes, show me the playbook, right? Because you don't want to feel like a loser. You don't want to be like, no, I don't want to be like, I don't want to waste money.
1:18You don't even realize it. It's in your subconscious. But when you frame two buttons like that, you have this thing called false choice pairing. and button A sounds like you're the hero of a Marvel movie and button B sounds like you're still using Internet Explorer, you're going to pick button A all the time. And so it's this idea of false choice button pairing that works so incredibly well. And so many brands do it. Let me give you a million different brand examples and let me give you the stats and how you're going to do it. Groupon does this all the time, okay, with their daily deals. You know, they'll have sign up for free deals or it will say, no, thanks.
1:58I hate saving money. You know, AppSumo will say, get insane deals or no, thanks. I'm rich already. Dollar Shave Club uses it on a lot of their landing pages. Start my shave plan. No, thanks. I like overpaying for razors. Casper, the bed company. Get 15 % off. And then the other button on that page is no, thanks. I like bad sleep. How about Shopify's partner program? They have it where it says start building stores. And then the other option says, no, thanks. I don't like money. And it could even be for a conference, right? Digital marketer does it for their conference all the time. Save my seat.
2:34And then the other button says, no, thanks. I hate learning new things. You will see it more and more now that you're a little bit more aware of it, but you're really not picking an option. You're picking an identity, right? Button A is basically saying, I'm ambitious, I'm proactive, I'm a go-getter, right? Button B says, I fear growth. I enjoy chaos. I like wasting money. I microwave fish at work and make it smell like garbage all day. What do you think you're clicking? Now, World Data Research has done a ton of research on this topic and there's some really cool data. So first off, false choice pairing increases conversion rates on offer pages.
3:15For business offers, it increases by 24%. Consumer offers 18 % when you have these two options and that second button is kind of rude. Okay, on lead magnet pages, having false choice buttons will increase your signups by 22 % on average. On free trial pages, 15 % increase. Webinar registration pages, 17 % increase. And newsletter signups, a 28 % increase. and there's actually real science behind it. This is not some sort of TikTok gimmick or some sort of garbage like that. There's these two dudes, Daniel Kahneman and Almos Tversky. I definitely butchered their names, whatever. They call this the framing effect, right?
3:55When your no button says something like, no, I like wasting money, it's basically a version of loss aversion. People react more strongly to potential losses, right? Or negative identity implications than they do to neutral phrasing. Your brain would rather avoid feeling stupid than gain something good, right? And so why this works so well? Nobody ultimately wants to be the villain in their own movie. They don't. They wanna seem like they're smarter. They feel better about themselves. They're not wasting money. They're not wasting time, all the different things. So when you're going ahead and you're setting up that page, right?
4:38That landing page for your offer, that newsletter subscription page, that free trial page, that thing for your lead magnet, whatever it is. And it could be a regular offer too. Let's say you sell a skincare product. Yes, fix my skin or no, filters are enough. It can be for anything. Could be if you're a nonprofit page. Yes, help feed a family. No, I'll just scroll past. How about, yes, I need, how about for volunteers? Yes, I want to help. No, I'm too busy right now. This crushes it. If you've never tested it, it's slightly fun too. Makes your brand stand out a little bit. And yes, all these big real deal brands do this.
5:20This is not off brand. This is just framing. This is called marketing. This is how you win. Costs you nothing. Takes five seconds. Easy test to try. All right. I get so worked up. I always get worked up whatever i'm talking about i get excited i'm like let's do it let's try it i'll tell you what i'm not excited about i'm gonna get into this since you didn't ask there's a portion of the podcast where i talk about nonsense going on with me so um i'm turning 50 this year right i know you're like really i thought you were turning 70. so i'm turning 50 this year the first week april and uh why am i telling you this i'm telling you this because my family they're all like hyped what are we gonna do for your 50th birthday that's i've been getting this question a lot from them and here's my problem my problem is I don't care I never care about my birthday I know that's not like I'm not trying to be cool I don't know why I just don't care I think because I don't like going out with a big group of people and having to spend an evening with them because I'm anti-social um so my family's like what are we gonna do we gotta do something big for your 50th birthday they go what do you want to do do you want to have like oh bring together all your friends or whatever I'm like absolutely not it's like well what do you want to do so this is what I've been telling them and they want to, they want to beat me up.
6:33I said, what I would really like to do is find a farm somewhere. And I want to live on a farm for like two days. And I want to get up with the chickens. I don't want to milk cows. And I want to do whatever you do on a farm for like two days, because I'm not like a real dude. Like I get excited when I change a battery in something and it works. That's my level of fixing stuff. Like I'm the worst. It's not that I don't want to be able to do it. I'm just not good at like stuff that people can do. I'm not good at it. And so I'm like, maybe I can go live on a farm for two days and just feel like salt of the earth.
7:10Like I'm part of like, you know, real humanity or something like that. And so I throw this idea out to my, my, my wife and my teenage kids. They're like, absolutely not. That sounds terrible. Why can't we go to like, you know, a spa or something? I'm like, I don't want to do that. That sounds horrible. So I'm in this pickle here because I think when you get to these milestone birthdays, the people around you care more about it than you do. And anybody out there who lives on a farm, can I come stay with you for two days and take care of chickens? I'll probably want to do it for 10 minutes. I'll probably want to leave because it probably smells disgusting and I'll be grossed out.
7:47And yeah, I don't even know what I'm talking about, but hey, I appreciate you. Listen, leave this thing a review, please. That's awesome. It helps to circulate the show and go to jschwedelson.com. We got a lot of stuff going on and talk to you later. Wait, the party is not over. Go to jschwedelson.com because I want to do stuff with you. I want to partner with you. When you click on the button partner with Jay, you let me know what you got going on. Work with my agency. Work with me directly. get access to all of my free resources at jschwedelson.com. And I got a book coming out this April. It's called Stupider People Have Done It.
8:28And all of the net proceeds are going to the V Foundation for Cancer Research. Go on Amazon, buy Stupider People Have Done It. That way you can help kick cancer's butt with me. And if this podcast wasn't the worst podcast you've ever listened to, it might have been, leave it a review, follow the show. You are awesome. Go out there and crush it.
From the publisher
Ever notice how a “No thanks” button can make you feel weirdly judged? That is the whole point of today’s quick-hit tactic from Jay Schwedelson, and it can lift conversions fast with a simple two-button rewrite. Then things take a hard left into Jay’s personal dream for turning 50: two days on a farm, hanging with chickens, trying to feel like a functional adult.
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Best Moments:
(00:16) A five-second landing page tweak that can spike conversions without any tech headache
(00:57) The magic move: make the Yes button heroic and the No button painfully self-owning
(01:45) Big brand examples that use it and why it keeps working on us
(03:15) The lift by page type, including a big jump for newsletter signups
(03:42) The psychology behind it: framing effect and loss aversion make “No” feel like a loss
(06:36) Jay’s 50th birthday wish: live on a farm for two days and vibe with the chickens
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Check out Jay’s YOUTUBE Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson
Check out Jay’s TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelson
Check Out Jay's INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/
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Pre-order Jay Schwedelson’s new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out April 21, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research—let’s kick cancer’s butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206




