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Podcast Episode Summary: Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson - Episode 195
Episode Overview In this episode of "Do This, NOT That," host Jay Schwedelson shares five innovative email subject line tests designed to enhance open rates for both business and consumer marketers. He challenges common myths about email marketing and encourages listeners to adapt to evolving consumer behaviors.
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Key Topics Discussed
Introduction to Subject Line Tests
- The episode begins with Jay introducing five practical subject line tests that marketers can implement immediately.
- Emphasis on the notion that marketing strategies must evolve with changing consumer behaviors.
Subject Line Insights
- Character Count:
- Common belief: Keep subject lines under 50 characters.
- Reality:
- Subject lines with less than 20 characters can result in 15% higher open rates.
- Subject lines with more than 65 characters can increase open rates by 19% due to their visual impact in inboxes.
- Comparison Subject Lines:
- Utilizing questions like "How do you stack up?" can boost open rates by over 25%.
- Capitalization Strategy:
- Capitalizing entire words (e.g., "NEW") in the middle or end of subject lines can increase open rates by up to 18%.
- "Just For You" Approach:
- Using "Just for you" or similar phrasing in subject lines can lift open rates by about 20% by creating a sense of exclusivity.
- 2025 as a Hook:
- Starting subject lines with "2025" after October 1st can lead to a 25% increase in open rates, tapping into audience anticipation for future trends.
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Segment Highlights
Myth Busting
- Jay dispels common myths surrounding email subject lines and encourages marketers to experiment with unconventional strategies.
Pop Culture Segment
"Since You Didn't Ask"
- Jay shares a humorous take on recent experiences in the cereal aisle and discusses bizarre cereal options like Sour Patch Kids and Jolly Rancher cereals.
- He also provides his thoughts on the reality TV show "Selling Sunset," reflecting on its portrayal of luxury real estate and the eccentric personalities involved.
Call to Action
- The episode concludes with a push to register for the upcoming Guru Conference, highlighting its guest speakers and virtual contests.
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Key Takeaways
- Experimentation is Crucial: Adapting marketing strategies to current trends and behaviors is essential for success.
- Actionable Tips: Implementing the discussed subject line techniques can provide immediate and measurable outcomes.
- Engagement with Audience: Crafting personalized and engaging subject lines can significantly affect open rates.
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Conclusion Jay Schwedelson empowers marketers with actionable insights and encourages them to think outside the box when crafting email campaigns. The unique subject line tests shared in this episode offer practical ways to boost engagement and drive results.
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Sponsorship Note
- Marigold: The episode is sponsored by Marigold, a relationship marketing platform designed to enhance customer acquisition and loyalty.
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Additional Resources
- [5 Steps For Selecting The Right Email Marketing Platform](https://jayschwedelson.com/marigold/)
- [Guru Conference Registration](https://guruevents.com)
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:08Welcome to Do This Not That, the podcast for marketers. You'll walk away from each episode with actionable tips you can test immediately. You'll hear from the best minds in marketing who will share tactics, quick wins, and pitfalls to avoid. We'll also dig into life, pop culture, and the chaos that is our everyday. I'm Jay Schwetelson. Let's do this, not that.
0:40we are back for do this not that presented by marigold and today we're going to have some fun i'm going to share with you five subject line tests that you can do that are working really well for business and consumer marketers right now and the thing about email that people always get confused by like oh it's been around forever nothing changes nothing's different you could do the same tactics from five years ago. It's going to work. And that's just not true. Human behavior is always changing and we change our reaction to things all the time. And I also want to bust some myths along the way about what you can and cannot do in your email subject lines.
1:19And these tests apply to business and consumer markets. All right, so let's get into them. The first one has to do with how many characters are in your subject line. One of the questions that I get asked the most about is, should my subject line be less than 50 characters or this or that or whatever? And that's not it. What you want to do is make sure that visually, when somebody looks at your subject line, it stands out. And there's some interesting data that you may not be aware of and what you should be testing. First off, were you aware that only 9 % of subject lines have less than 20 characters used, meaning 9 % of subject lines are written in a way that's really, really short, less than 20 characters.
2:04Now, subject lines, email subject lines that are written using less than 20 characters see an increased open rate by over 15 % for business and consumer marketers because it stands out because it's so short. Now, here's the one that's going to blow your mind that you're not going to believe, okay? 6 % of subject lines are written with more than 65 characters. Now, this goes against everything you've ever heard about email subject lines. That should be short and less than 50 characters. But the reason that super long subject lines work, right? Subject lines with more than 65 characters have an increased open rate by over 19 % for business and consumer marketers.
2:51And the reason that works is that visually, when you go into your inbox, you should look at this. Okay. You're going to see the subject lines that are crazy long and that fill up the entire subject line. They stand out. Now you may say that is ridiculous. It's going to get cut off. People aren't going to be able to read the whole thing. And that is true, but it's going to stand out and people are going to take that extra millisecond. They're going to look at it. And everything that we're sharing today are things that you should be trying. You don't want to do all these tactics all the time, but if you've never tested crazy stuff like this, this is how you get ahead.
3:23This is how you win. Another one that's working really, really well in the last 90 days is what we call comparison subject lines. And this is lifting email open rates over 25%, and this is pretty wild. And again, this is for business and consumer marketers. Comparison subject lines are all about saying how, basically. How do you stack up? That would be your subject line, question mark. How do you stack up, question mark? How do you measure up? What's your standing? How do you rank, right? When you get an email that says, how do you rank, question mark? Uh-oh, I need a check. Are they talking about how do I rank in my fitness?
4:03Are they talking about how do I rank in my business? Are they talking about how do I rank in terms of the CRM system I'm using? But you can go even deeper. Where do you stand, question mark, right? How do you fare compared to others? How do you compare? Literally, these are the entire subject lines and that's all that you are writing. And this idea of comparison, you're comparing yourself or your business or your product or your service to other things. And it's a very open-ended question. You're not being specific. So how do you stack up? How do you compare? What's your standing? This is lifting open rates significantly.
4:40significantly. Another super random one, I know I'm all over the place, but hopefully, you know, gets you going, get the juices flowing, and gets you thinking about testing new ideas. One of the most super random trends that we're seeing is capitalizing a word in the subject line. I'm not talking about capitalizing the first letter. I'm talking about capitalizing the entire word. Maybe it's the word new, okay? Maybe it's the word event. Maybe it's the word sale. But most people capitalize the first word of their subject line, and that does do really well. But the new test that we're seeing is capitalizing a word somewhere else in the subject line, in the middle of your subject line or at the end of your subject line.
5:18So when you capitalize a word, all the letters in a word, and it's not the first word in your subject line, we're seeing that increase open rates up to 18%. Again, super easy. All of these things cost you no money, take you three seconds, and look, are they all going to work for you? Absolutely not. But some of them will. One of the easiest subject line tests is just four. If you don't have just four as one of your ongoing things that you do in your subject line, regardless of, I don't care if you're in the most conservative, boring B2B sector, or if you're a direct to consumer marketer, when you do things like just for you, that's the simplest one, just for you, that's your entire subject line, crushes it as a subject line.
6:02But then you get into things like just for VIP customers, just for job function, right? Just for HR pros, just for interest, right? Just for golfers in that case, just for subscribers. When you use just for in your subject line, it lifts your open rates on average by about 20%. Because why? The second that somebody sees that, they're like, oh, wait a minute. This is not for everybody. this is just for me, whether it's business or consumer. And then the last one that's super interesting before we get into the nonsense part of this podcast, which is since you didn't ask, the last one is all about 2025.
6:45I've talked a lot about how 2024 is dead. It is over. Okay. Nobody cares about 2024. We care about 2025. But one of the things that marketers sleep on is that starting October 1st, and we see this in almost every year, starting October 1st of this year, right? When you have 2025 be the first thing in your subject line, when it starts your subject line with 2025, that increases email open rates by over 25%, right? So it would say, you know, 2025 predictions, colon 2025 is coming 2025 trends to watch 2025 goals, whatever it is after October 1st, that is what we care about. We care about our Halloween costume.
7:27We care about how much turkey we're going to eat. We care about our New Year's plans and we care about what we're going to do in 2025 to better ourselves, to better our business, to whatever. Starting that subject line with 2025 crushes it. All right, before we get into Since You Didn't Ask, which is total chaos, I wanted to let you know that this podcast is exclusively presented by Marigold. Marigold is the greatest email sending platform on earth. I use it for all my emails, business and consumer, but they have a new piece of content that I am telling you is possibly the best piece of content I've promoted on this podcast in over a year.
8:05It is Marigold's 200 brands that they are tracking their personalization, their loyalty marketing, their trust, all this stuff. They're taking 200 brands and they've created the relationship marketing trends report and they break down each brand and they name the brands. Okay. And you can see what they are ranking each brands and all these different marketing categories. It is wild. If you want to download this brand ranking report, all you got to do is go to jschwedelson.com slash Marigold. It's totally free. It's brand new. It just came out. That's at jschwedelson.com slash Marigold. I'm telling you this is wild stuff.
8:46All right. Let's get into since you didn't ask. Oh man, I'm all over the place. I don't have a specific thing, but I just want to share with you what's on my mind because I'm just, I don't know. I lose my mind whenever I do, wherever I go. So I was in the supermarket last night with my wife. We were going there to pick up some random stuff and I'm like, I'll see you later. I'm going down the cereal aisle. I had not been down the cereal aisle in forever because i don't know why i just don't buy a lot of cereal i don't know what's happened to cereal okay but cereal is gone i mean something's happened i mean yeah they have all the checks mix and they got the cinnamon toast crunch but then they have weird cereal they have oreo cereal this is i mean this is not something you should be eating for breakfast oreo cereal then they had Sour Patch Kids cereal.
9:37That sounds disgusting. Who's eating sour? Like, hey, it's seven in the morning. Let's get ready for the day. Let's have Sour Patch Kids cereal. Are you kidding me? And they had Jolly Rancher cereal. First of all, Jolly Ranchers are disgusting on their own. But then you turn a Jolly Rancher into a cereal. You're like, what are we actually doing? This is like garbage, like, like literally garbage. So that was my vibe at the supermarket. Speaking of garbage, I've gotten into watching selling sunset. Now everybody here knows I watch really bad TV selling sunset might be the worst TV that I watch, but it's really good.
10:16And if you don't watch it, I don't know if these people almost, they're almost like AI. I can't believe these people actually exist. And they, they sell these homes. Everybody's house out there is like$20 million dollars what is going on and everybody's dressed up fancier than i've ever been dressed up in my life and some of these people are very very weird um i'm on team brie if anybody watches that show i doubt you do but sung sunset i give it two thumbs up uh so this is what's going on me all very important information and we are just days away from guru conference i am so excited it's free it's virtual i will be there sarah jessica parker's gonna be there we are gonna have an 80s costume contest, a karaoke contest.
10:56We are going to have all sorts of people there. We only have a certain number of virtual seats left. You got to register. GuruConference.com. And if this podcast wasn't the worst thing in the history of the universe, you could do me a solid and leave it a review because you are awesome. Connect with me on LinkedIn. I don't know what we talked about today. Go test subject lines. Peace out. You did it. You made it to the end. Nice. But the party's not over. Subscribe to make sure you get the latest episode each week for more actionable tips and a little chaos from today's top marketers. And hook us up with a five-star review if this wasn't the worst podcast of all time.
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From the publisher
In this episode of "Do This, Not That," host Jay Schwedelson shares five effective subject line tests for email marketing that are currently working well for both business and consumer marketers. He also busts some myths about email subject lines and provides actionable tips for marketers to improve their open rates.
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Best Moments:
(00:40) Introduction to five subject line tests for email marketing
(01:25) The impact of subject line character count on open rates
(03:25) Comparison subject lines and their effectiveness
(04:50) Capitalizing words in subject lines for increased open rates
(05:38) Using "Just for" in subject lines to boost engagement
(06:35) The effectiveness of using "2025" in subject lines after October 1st
(08:50) "Since You Didn't Ask" segment: Observations on cereal varieties and TV show "Selling Sunset"
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