I don’t love my job! 👀 Jay’s SCOOP | Ep. 375

11 Jul 2025 · 10 min

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Podcast Notes: Do This, NOT That - Episode 375: "I Don’t Love My Job!" with Jay Schwedelson

Episode Overview In this episode of "Do This, NOT That," host Jay Schwedelson discusses the common misconception that everyone should love their job. He argues against the societal pressures to chase passion and emphasizes the importance of finding fulfillment and purpose in work, rather than love.

Key Themes

  • The Myth of Loving Your Job
  • The Dangers of Chasing Passion
  • Finding Fulfillment in Work
  • The Role of Purpose and Competence
  • Humor and Personal Anecdotes

Main Points

  1. Accepting Job Discontent
  2. Jay openly admits he does not love his job, which he asserts is perfectly acceptable.
  3. He challenges the belief that everyone should be passionate about their work, highlighting that only a small percentage truly feel this way.
  1. Critique of "Do What You Love"
  2. This popular phrase is criticized as "garbage" and "ridiculous."
  3. Jay references Cal Newport's book, *So Good They Can't Ignore You*, which critiques the "passion hypothesis" suggesting that chasing passion can lead to disappointment and quicker burnout.
  1. Understanding Career Fulfillment
  2. Key elements that contribute to job satisfaction include:
  3. Feeling appreciated
  4. Competence in one's role
  5. Opportunities for growth and learning
  6. Making a meaningful contribution
  7. Barry Schwartz's book, *Why We Work*, is cited, emphasizing that doing something worthwhile can provide purpose even without loving every aspect of the job.
  1. Shift in Perspective
  2. Instead of searching for a dream job, Jay encourages listeners to find a job they enjoy, can tolerate, and that meets their lifestyle needs.
  3. Emphasizes that it’s okay to not love your job, as long as it doesn’t feel like it’s "killing your soul."
  1. Cultural Commentary: Gym Etiquette
  2. Jay humorously shares his frustrations about gym-goers, including mirror flexers and those who neglect cleanliness.
  3. This segment serves to lighten the tone of the episode while showcasing his personality.
  1. Call to Action for Listeners
  2. Encourages listeners to leave reviews and shares the podcast has reached a top 10 ranking in marketing podcasts.

Quote Highlights

  • “Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life? What trash.”
  • “Most people don’t have a preexisting passion waiting to be discovered.”

Conclusion Jay Schwedelson provides a refreshing perspective on career fulfillment, encouraging a mindset shift away from the pressure of loving one's job toward finding satisfaction and purpose in work. The episode is a mix of serious discussion and comedic elements, creating an engaging listen for marketers and professionals alike.

Additional Resources

  • Jay Schwedelson’s YouTube: [YouTube Channel](https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson)
  • Jay Schwedelson’s TikTok: [TikTok Profile](https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelson)
  • Jay Schwedelson’s Instagram: [Instagram Profile](https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/)
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0:01Welcome to Do This Not That, the podcast for marketers. Each episode is packed with quick tips. They're super short, and at the end, we have some fun. Let's jump into it, and thanks for being here. We are back for Do This, Not That podcast, presented by Marigold. And usually I do these episodes where I rattle off. Here's something you put in your subject line. Here's a new way to get people to react to your social media posts. But I wanted to talk about something a little bit different today, because it's been coming up a lot on different calls and Zooms I've been having, which is this idea of loving your job.

0:37Let me just cut to the chase and then I'll get into the details. I do not love my job. And by the way, that is more than okay. Why am I talking about this? Why does this matter? Because I think we've all been taken down a weird path with we're supposed to love our jobs. And it came up because I was on a bunch of calls this week. and on all these calls at some point somebody said your job looks like so much fun you look like you're always having the best time I bet you love your job I wish I could have the job that you have because you look like you really love it and I don't know what to do because I don't love what I do and I'm trying to figure out how to love something the way that you do and this is all coming from this nonsense that's out there, okay, that we're all supposed to love our jobs.

1:32Now, listen, if you do love your job, okay, and genuinely you wake up and be like, I love my job. Amazing. Great. You're in the 1 % of 1 % of people. Okay. But for everybody else, it is okay. Not only that, it's more than okay not to love your job. So, you know, that quote, the one that says, do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life. What trash, garbage, ridiculousness is that? That quote, by the way, has been attributed to everybody on the planet. All right. And I think it's BS. I really do. So there was this book written by this guy, Cal Newport. The book was called So Good They Can't Ignore You.

2:16And he called this nonsense, the passion hypothesis, that telling someone to follow their passion is dangerous. It assumes we all have preexisting passions just waiting to be discovered. And most people don't. I don't, I didn't. I didn't grow up every, maybe when I was four, I wanted to be like a fireman or something. But then after that, I didn't grow up being like, I really wanna do this one thing. I didn't. I wanted to have enough money to put a roof over my head and be able to go out to dinner once in a while and all of that. but I didn't have a passion for whatever. And the data even backs it up.

2:54There's this study that was done by the psychological science. And it found that people who chase passion often quit faster when things get hard because they expect loving it to mean it's always enjoyable. And that's so true. People that I know that have a passion for whatever, they then go and follow that passion. They get a job in that quote unquote industry. Oh, I love music. I'm going to work in the music industry. But then they find out it almost ruins their passion because work becomes work. You're sort of in the music industry, but you're wind up doing the same Zooms and garbage and, and spreadsheets and all the stuff that we all have to do.

3:36And just because you're sort of in that industry. Okay. You're like, well, it's my passion. No, you're passionate about that thing. Okay? What's important, and listen, you may listen to this and be like, this guy, Jay, is full of garbage. Who is he to tell me I shouldn't love my job? Love your job. It's amazing. But this is for everybody else to know, almost everybody doesn't love their job. I don't love my job. I don't. Now, it's important, though, to feel fulfilled. Do you feel appreciated? Do you feel competent? Do you feel challenged? Do you feel like you are learning something? Are you helping maybe people in some way, right?

4:18This matters. So there was this psychologist, Barry Schwartz, and he wrote this book that says Why We Work. And what he said was, we don't need to love every aspect of our work, but if we feel we're doing something worthwhile, it gives us purpose. And that's it. That is the thing. And, you know, you have to almost stop searching for this unicorn. Stop searching for the dream job because it's still a job. You want to have a job that you enjoy. You enjoy the people that you're around, that you're growing, that you're getting better at it, that you might be good at it. And for me, the number one thing for me is, does it give me the lifestyle I want?

5:01Does it allow me to go out to dinner once in a while? Does it allow me to do whatever I want to do? And if it does, and maybe if I'm helping people, maybe if I am passionate about doing it, not that I'm just passionate about the job, then great. That's a great fit for me. That means I feel good about that. So I think this idea that we're all out there, you have to love your job, I think it hurts people. I think it holds us back. I think it makes us feel that we're not on the right path. I must be in the wrong industry. I must be at the wrong company. I really need to go back to square one and find the thing that I love because people love their jobs.

5:43No. If you're miserable and you hate everything, yeah, you got to shake it all up. Okay? There's a big gap between loving and hating. All right? But if you like what you do, you feel energized by what you do, it's giving you the life that you want. You are challenged. You're learning. There's opportunity there. You like the people around you. You have won. You have won the lottery because checking all those boxes is rare. Okay. So chasing the rarest of rare that you love your job, I kind of think it's ridiculous. You just have to not hate your job and you have to make sure, like they said in E-Pray Love.

6:22I love E-Pray Love by Elizabeth Gilbert. E-Pray Love. What did she say? You don't have to love your job. You have to not hate it. And you have to not feel like it is killing your soul. That is the North Star. I totally agree. All right. Before we get into what is always the absolute most ridiculous portion of this podcast, which is called Since You Didn't Ask, this podcast has a sponsor. I happen to love my sponsor though. See that? Look at that. Flip the script. Marigold, Emma by Marigold is a sponsor of this thing. They're awesome. I use this email sending platform. Why don't you? You got to try it out.

6:58And just for listeners of this show, okay, they've given us a 50 % off for three month discount. If you're thinking about a new email sending platform, one that is not terrible, one that is awesome, all you got to do is go to jschwedelson.com slash Emma, jschwedelson.com slash E-M-M-A to check it out. All right, let's get into the ridiculous portion of this podcast. So I'll tell you something else I don't love doing. I don't love it, but I do it. I go to the gym before work. During the week, I go three days a week on the weekend. I also go twice. I hate it. I'm the worst worker out in the world.

7:31I hate it, but I go. I've been doing this routine for years. But I have to say that there's a lot of people at the gym, especially in the morning. They're absolute weirdos and they do very, very strange things. And it's on my mind because it happened this morning and I don't know what to do. First of all, who are the weird people? Who are the people I can't stand? I'm at a gym where nobody is like, you know, it's not like a gold's gym where everyone's like jacked or whatever. It was like me, like barely, you know, getting through here. And there are, this is one dude who flexes in the mirror in between every set as if he's about to go and try to win the Mr.

8:06Olympia contest. And I'm always looking at this guy. I feel like if I stare at him hard enough, maybe he'll stop. It is so embarrassing. I'm like, what are you doing? You look like a, a nerd. um then there's another person I'm always staring at who brings this jug of water that it almost looks like like one of those big plastic jug things that you put on top that you get it out of like out of machine it's so big I'm like dude are you gonna be here for seven days are you worried that like I don't know you're gonna get trapped in here I'm like why do you own that thing it's so weird but the the thing that's kind of the most disgusting because I think everybody on earth is disgusting.

8:43It's like somebody will use like a bench or a machine or whatever, and then they'll get up and they won't have put a towel down and they won't have like, you know, wiped it down with a thing of a bob or whatever. And they just move on their merry way. And I think that's gross. Like, what are you doing? You know what I mean? It's like, hey, be a, be a human, realize there are other humans here and don't be disgusting. You're like sweaty and nasty and whatever. Come on. What is wrong with it? What's wrong with me? I have no idea. I just get annoyed. I get annoyed by everything. So this is my gym etiquette for everybody in case you're wondering.

9:23And listen, I would really appreciate something. If you could leave this thing a review, if you've never left the review, or if you could follow the show, that would really be meaningful because it helps to circulate the show. And oddly, we're top 10 in the country right now in marketing out of 50 ,000 marketing podcasts. I have no idea how that happened, but you're awesome. So hopefully you leave it a review. Hopefully you do love your job and this was a meaningless episode and I appreciate you checking it out and keep it real. You did it. You made it to the end. Nice. But the party's not over.

9:53Subscribe to make sure you get the latest episode each week for more actionable tips and a little chaos from today's top marketers. and hook us up with a five-star review if this wasn't the worst podcast of all time. Lastly, if you want access to the best virtual marketing events that are also 100 % free, visit guruevents.com so you can hear from the world's top marketers like Damon John, Martha Stewart, and me. Guruevents.com. Check it out.

From the publisher

Most people don’t love their jobs—and that’s not only normal, it might be healthier. Jay Schwedelson unpacks the toxic myth that everyone should “do what they love” and explains why chasing passion often backfires. He shares why he doesn’t love his own job (and why that’s fine), what actually matters more than love, and how redefining career fulfillment might be the smarter move.

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Best Moments:

(00:30) Jay admits he doesn’t love his job—and that’s more than okay

(02:00) Why “do what you love and you’ll never work a day” is terrible advice

(02:45) Chasing passion can ruin the thing you once loved

(04:00) What really matters more than loving your job

(04:45) The quote from Eat, Pray, Love that nails it

(08:00) Jay’s gym rant: mirror flexing, water jugs, and the unholy sin of not wiping machines

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