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Podcast Summary: Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson

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SPECIAL SERIES ==>7 Deadly Sins of MARKETING!<== | BATHROOM Break #51 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

Episode Description In this collaborative episode of The Bathroom Break, hosts Daniel Murray from The Marketing Millennials and Jay Schwedelson from Do This Not That explore the seven deadly sins of marketing. The discussion combines practical advice with humorous exchanges, addressing common mistakes marketers should avoid.

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Key Highlights

Introduction

  • Hosts: Jay Schwedelson (Do This, Not That) and Daniel Murray (The Marketing Millennials)
  • Focus: Discussion on the "seven deadly sins of marketing."

The Seven Deadly Sins of Marketing

  1. Marketing to Everybody
  2. Key Point: Target your marketing to a specific audience rather than trying to appeal to everyone.
  3. Argument: Broad messaging leads to diluted campaigns; focus on one ideal customer profile.
  1. Outdated Best Practices
  2. Key Point: Many so-called best practices are irrelevant by the time they gain traction.
  3. Argument: Companies should innovate rather than rely on outdated standards; testing new approaches is essential.
  1. Branding as Optional
  2. Key Point: Branding is crucial for reputation and differentiation.
  3. Argument: Brand investment is as vital as performance marketing; both should inform and enhance the other.
  1. Last-Click Attribution
  2. Key Point: Relying solely on last-click attribution misrepresents marketing's effectiveness.
  3. Argument: Marketing should be viewed holistically, understanding that multiple touchpoints contribute to conversions.
  1. Skipping Strategy for Tactics
  2. Key Point: A focus on tactical execution without a clear strategy can lead to ineffective marketing.
  3. Argument: Marketing efforts should be tied to well-defined strategies to ensure relevance and effectiveness.
  1. Relying on Industry Averages
  2. Key Point: Industry benchmarks are not always applicable.
  3. Argument: Brands should assess their performance individually rather than conforming to average metrics.
  1. Playful Banter on Food Preferences
  2. Key Point: The hosts humorously debate fast-food preferences (Chipotle vs. Pollo Tropical).
  3. Argument: While light-hearted, this discussion emphasizes the importance of personal taste in marketing messaging.

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Key Takeaways

  • Audience Focus: Narrowing down your target audience increases the chance of engagement and conversion.
  • Innovate, Don't Imitate: Avoid blind adherence to best practices; innovation should guide marketing strategies.
  • Integrate Branding and Performance: Successful marketing integrates both brand identity and performance metrics.
  • Strategic Planning is Essential: Develop a strategy before selecting tactics to enhance outputs.
  • Self-Benchmarking: Instead of relying on industry standards, constantly measure and optimize against your own past performance.

Additional Information

  • Event Promotion: Hosts promote upcoming virtual marketing events, including the Guru Conference and Eventastic.
  • Sponsor Acknowledgment: Thanks to Marigold for sponsoring the episode, with a mention of the 2025 Consumer Trends Index.

Conclusion The episode ends with a light-hearted commentary on personal preferences and a reminder for listeners to follow both podcasts for more marketing insights.

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By addressing these seven deadly sins, marketers can refine their strategies and connect more effectively with their audiences, ultimately driving better results and avoiding common pitfalls.

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0:28Welcome to a new special series called The Bathroom Break. Thanks for checking it out. We are back for another bathroom break. I'm Jay Schwettlson from Do This Not That podcast. And I'm here with the great Daniel Murray from the Marketing Millennials podcast. And today we're going to be ripping through the seven deadly sins of marketing. But before we get to that, I want to know something. We were just talking about that you had to drive somewhere. And I'm curious about something. Are you like an aggressive driver? Do you honk at people? Do you go fast? Are you like, hey, man, it doesn't matter.

0:59I'll get there when I get there. One thing about me is I lived in LA for seven years. So I got used to having to be patient as a driver. If I'm late, then I start getting into a little panicky. But I think as I got a little older, my little road range is still. But what about you? Oh, I'm horrible. I get hunked at. I don't hunk at people because I drive pretty slow and it drives my wife crazy how slow I drive. She basically thinks it's dangerous how slow I drive. That's Ari's dad too. Ari's dad will be driving like 60 on a 65 and everybody behind him is like, go, dude, go. Yeah. Yeah. That's my vow.

1:47I don't care. I'll get there. And everyone needs to just chill. All right. But what's not chill is today's episode. we're going to rip through right now the seven deadly sins of marketing um there's things that just forget it don't do it don't think about it whatever but daniel kick it off what do you got first this one might sound basic but i always need people to remember this is marketing to everybody i think that is one of the biggest deadly sins i um i see and the reason why i say this is because if you market to everyone, your messaging gets vague, your campaigns are diluted, you're not different from everybody.

2:25So you have to market to one person because if nobody sees themselves in your brand, then nobody's going to buy your brand. So all your messaging, you should think about marketing to one person. Who's that one person that is going to buy your product? I totally agree with you. When you market to everybody, you're marketing to nobody. and one for me that has always stuck in my mind is about best practices. You'll go to a meeting, oh, well, best practice says we should do this. The overwhelming majority of best practices are garbage. They're outdated. By the time they become a best practice, they're useless.

3:02And every company that has like a resource tab on their site and they have a blog and they're putting out content, this is the best practice for this, that, whatever, they're just regurgitating old information. And whatever you think is the best practice, you have to test into it to see if it's true. And whatever is taboo in your organization that says, oh, we could never do that. That would never work. We're not allowed to do that. That is probably what you need to test first. So I think best practices are actual garbage. What do you got? I agree on that. If you're doing best practices, you're probably five years behind the curve because it's become mainstream.

3:35The next deadly sin I have for you is thinking brand is optional and also thinking brand isn't performance marketing. I think a lot of people get caught up between brand and branding. Brand isn't your fonts, your colors, a manifesto that you have in your Google Docs buried somewhere. Brand is your reputation. It's every touch point. It's your vibe. It's the reason people choose you when your product isn't as different than everybody. So stop thinking you can't invest in brand. And also, I get annoyed. All marketing is performance marketing. I don't care what you're doing. So brand helps performance.

4:25Performance helps brand. So stop thinking you can't do brand marketing. And I want to build on that for a second. When you're talking about performance marketing, I want to talk about last click attribution. This is probably the biggest mistake in marketing. It takes people down the wrong path where you're running a search ad, you're on a paid social campaign, you send out an email, and then the person clicks on the thing. They sign up for the webinar. They ask for a demo. They buy that direct-to-consumer product. And then you assign the fact that you got this customer, this leader, this opportunity from that click, from that thing that they did, which is complete nonsense and garbage.

5:02Marketing is surround sound. You need to constantly be everywhere at all times. So when the person's in market for what it is that you sell, you are top of mind. And yeah, they might have clicked on that ad at that moment, but it's because of that year-long effort that you've been doing. So if your budgeting and your planning is based on last-click attribution, it is probably the biggest fail that you could have in marketing. i want to build on a little bit of talking about running ads and picking channels and all that stuff i think one of the biggest deadly sins in marketing is skipping strategy and going straight to tactics and what i mean by that i always hear like hey we need to run paid ads but who are you running those paid ads to what's the offer what's happened next after the offer oh we need a podcast cool what is the hook of the product who's the podcast for how does that tie to revenue Oh, we need a 40 post content calendar.

6:00What's the strategy? Why? What are the posts? A lot of people think busy equals effective in marketing. And you need the reason tactics seem cool because they are sexy. Strategy is slow. So come up with a strategy and then choose what tactics fit into that strategy. Not the opposite of way around. Dude, I need to follow that. I'm in the middle of a mess because like all we're doing is releasing more and more garbage. and we need a better strategy. So I am going to focus in on that. The last one from my side, well, not the last one, almost the last one is don't rely on industry averages. I hate when people are like, well, I'm in this industry and I just Googled the industry average for open rates and click-through rates for emails is this, or the industry average for social media or whatever is this in my industry.

6:47Who cares? Everybody's brand is different. Your offer is different. Your creative is different. How people feel about your company is different. Everything is different. There's no such thing as an industry average. And if you rely on that, you're chasing a ghost. All that matters is that you treat yourself like you're a swimmer or a weightlifter. You benchmark everything that you're doing. Your newsletter sends, your promotional email sends, your social posts organically, your paid social posts, everything, the type of offers, when you're sending them, what you're doing, you benchmark yourself.

7:16And then every time you do it again, every time you hit send, you try to beat yourself as if you are a swimmer, ignore industry averages. They take you down the wrong path. And it's also tell your leaders to do that too, because a lot of people will come back to marketers and say, well, industry average is 2.3 on this landing page, but we're not the industry average. We have a different campaign. We have a different strategy. So I totally agree on that. I think you have the seventh sin. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the seventh sin. Okay, the seventh sin is avoid Chipotle all day long and go to Pollo Tropical instead.

7:54Because Pollo Tropical, under the radar, way better than Chipotle. Are you in on that? No. Pollo Tropical. Last time I ate Pollo Tropical, I almost barfed. I think that's the worst place. But I did actually see, I saw a post with Coachella last week that they said, like, our lineup. and it was just like their bar of like how you pick all the chipotle i thought that was a genius thing because coachella is like known to launch lineup i know i just went on a tangent about coachella and chipotle but i don't understand so so what did you so a pollo tropical they have this good mojo sauce which is really good like what is it that went wrong i mean it's chicken and they have like rice and beans it's so good first of all i'm a al poloco and if you're from california Yeah, you know, you know, Pollo Choppa Cao.

8:42Every Pollo Choppa Cao I've seen on Google is rated under a 3.3 star. So I don't know what you're eating at Pollo Choppa Cao. That's good. Well, now they're never going to sponsor this podcast. Way to go. They were on the edge. They were about to jump in on this. They were so pumped. And now we lost them. Wait, last thing I want to end with is, could you tell everybody what you did for your birthday? I know we talked about your birthday last episode, but what did you do for your birthday? So I did go see Black Bag, which was very good, although my wife thought it was mid at best. I ate a lot of popcorn, which was great.

9:18And then I sat home and then I went out for dinner. I had sushi. Only me and her. I lied to everybody I knew. I said I was busy. And I was asleep by 10 o 'clock and it was fantastic. Less is more. I don't want to go and do anything. How's that? Yeah. And the last thing I'll have to say is for those who don't know, Jay is a Gator and the Gators won national championship. So we'll have to say go Gators as we end this podcast. Go Gators for sure. And it made me step very late to watch the game, but I did it and we won and go Gators. And thank you. I appreciate you bringing that up. Very important.

10:03And thank you everyone for being here. Listen, go and follow the marketing millennials. This is a great podcast that he's got going on there. And do this, not that is eh, it's okay. We'll see you at the next one.

10:18Daniel, come on, man. I got to get back to work. Get out of there. All right. While he's still in there, this is Jay. Check out my podcast, Do This, Not That for marketers. Each week we share really quick tips on stuff that can improve your marketing. And I hope you give it a try. Oh, here's Daniel. He's finally out. back from my bathroom break this is daniel go follow the mark in the light podcast but also tune into this series it's once a week the bathroom break we talk about marking tips that we just spew out and it could be anything from email subject line to any marking tips in the world we'll talk about it just give us a shout on linkedin and tell us what you want to hear peace out later

From the publisher

In this episode of The Bathroom Break, hosts Daniel Murray from The Marketing Millennials and Jay Schwedelson from Do This Not That dive into the seven deadly sins of marketing. With a mix of practical advice and playful banter, they cover common pitfalls marketers should avoid.

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00:41 - Introduction to the seven deadly sins of marketing
02:03 - Marketing to everybody is a big no-no
02:49 - Why best practices are often outdated and useless
03:36 - The importance of brand and why it&#39;s not optional
04:31 - The problem with last-click attribution
05:32 - Why skipping strategy and going straight to tactics is a mistake
06:30 - The danger of relying on industry averages
07:47 - A lighthearted debate on fast-food preferences

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