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Podcast Notes: Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
Episode Title
SPECIAL SERIES ==> January Email Hangover 🤯 <== | BATHROOM Break #87 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That
Episode Description
This episode features Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray discussing the unique challenges and strategic marketing tactics for the first two weeks of January. The conversation emphasizes the importance of a tailored marketing approach during this period, recognizing it as atypical and often less effective than other times of the year.
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Key Themes and Concepts
- Understanding January's Unique Marketing Landscape
- The first two weeks of January are characterized by low engagement.
- Many consumers are returning from holidays and are overwhelmed by their inboxes.
- It's crucial to treat this period differently than a regular marketing timeframe.
- Setting Realistic Goals
- Monthly vs. Quarterly Goals:
- Focus on setting monthly goals for the first three months to avoid the feeling of falling behind.
- Patience with New Initiatives:
- Do not abandon tests or new strategies just because they underperform in early January.
- Email Marketing Insights
- Click-Through Rates:
- Click-through rates on promotional emails can jump by about 30% in the latter half of January compared to the first two weeks.
- Copy and Design Recommendations:
- Use shorter copy, more white space, and concise subject lines to cater to audiences' reduced attention spans.
- Content Audit and Adaptation
- Automation Audits:
- Review and update marketing automations to ensure they reflect the current year (e.g., replacing “2025” with “2026”).
- Recycling Content:
- Remix existing content to make it relevant for the new year without starting from scratch.
- Psychological Considerations in Marketing
- Understanding consumer psychology during January is vital.
- Shorter and more visually appealing content is preferred when consumers are inundated with information.
- Leveraging Past Campaigns
- Inspiration from Previous Years:
- Review emails and campaigns from the previous year to find successful strategies that could be replicated.
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Actionable Takeaways
- Do This:
- Set short-term, achievable goals for January and onwards.
- Audit all marketing materials to remove outdated references.
- Use concise, engaging content that respects the audience's limited attention span.
- NOT That:
- Avoid phoning in marketing efforts; January requires a proactive approach.
- Do not rush to abandon new efforts based on early January performance.
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Best Moments Highlighted
- (01:39) Importance of treating the first two weeks of January differently.
- (03:30) Caution against prematurely ending tests due to poor performance early in the month.
- (05:31) The effectiveness of shorter copy and subject lines during this period.
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Additional Resources
- Follow Jay Schwedelson:
- [YouTube Channel](https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson)
- [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelson)
- [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/)
- Follow Daniel Murray:
- [LinkedIn Profile](https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/)
- Podcast Mentioned:
- [The Marketing Millennials](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-marketing-millennials/id1527434899)
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Final Thoughts The episode serves as a crucial reminder for marketers to adapt their strategies for the unique challenges presented in January, emphasizing a thoughtful and patient approach to the marketing calendar. By leveraging insights into consumer behavior and setting realistic goals, marketers can navigate the post-holiday landscape successfully.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:07Welcome to a new special series called The Bathroom Break. That extra 10 minutes, you either have to listen to marketing tips or use the bathroom or both. But I don't recommend both, but that's your choice. This collab is going to be super fun. We have Daniel Murray from the Marketing Millennials and me, Jay Schwetelson, from the Do This Not That podcast and subjectline.com. Each episode in the series, we are going to go over quick tips about different marketing topics. And if you want to be in the bathroom, fine, just don't tell us about it. Thanks for checking it out. we are back for the bathroom break i'm here with the ultimate market millennial daniel murray and i am jay schwetelson and i'm like is anybody out there even listening more to the world tune it out so daniel like this time of year are you still consuming like marketing podcasts and business stuff are you just all in on watching home alone three or whatever i think column a and column b But I try to consume as much as I can just for ideas.
1:05But I feel like this type of year is just all old content recycled from the whole year. So you're just getting a bunch of curations, which is great because my ADHD brain can now consume more of your content if you're doing that the right way. So keep curating. We're like the only podcast in the entire country that's just not mailing it in and just reposting like, you know, greatest hits from the year. We have actually a new episode here. We should like high five each other. Look at us. I know. How are we doing this? This is crazy. This is crazy. This is craziness. All right. Well, let's talk about the topic of the day.
1:42The topic of the day is the first two weeks of January. Here we are, the year's wrapping up, and then you're going to get hyped to do your marketing those first two weeks of January. And there are some very specific tactics you should be aware of, you should avoid, and all things because it's not a normal time of the year. So Daniel, what do you think about those first two weeks of January? Is it just regular marketing for you? No, I think first I have to say is the first two weeks of January for any marketing is you shouldn't phone in the marketing because this is the worst time to phone in because if you get behind in January, you're going to be behind in February, then you're going to be behind in March.
2:25So try set monthly goals for the next three months, not quarterly goals, because you'll feel like you're falling. So set small monthly goals. I think the other thing is a lot of people right now probably have a test budget, probably have things that they're going to try new things in 2026 that they want to try. You can't treat every month the same of the year, especially like you can't treat how things are working in December to how things are working in January, especially in the b2b space where people some people are just coming back from vacations coming back from holidays so their inbox is flooded their heads down trying to hit their goals and they probably not consume your content so i know you have some data behind this but what i'm trying to say is don't just cancel your goals with the first two weeks um let them play out a little longer because they could be coming back in february march april when people have more time to consume and more time to view your content or marketing you're doing.
3:25Yeah. And let me double down on something you said. Those first two weeks, if you test something new that you've been waiting to test and you test on like January 8th or 9th and it doesn't do well, that doesn't mean that that tactic or that test is just not going to do well. Those first two weeks are historically horrible because everyone just getting themselves straight. They're catching up. They're doing things. And we see it, for example, on email click-through rates, on promotional email, the second two weeks of January versus the first two weeks of January, those last two weeks of January have about a 30 % higher average click-through rate than those first two weeks because our brains just aren't there.
3:58The other thing you want to think about is go through all your automation streams, all your triggers, all your stuff, get 2025 out of there. There's nothing worse than a negative signal to start the year in your marketing and letting people think, oh, they're not with it, they're not organized, they don't know what's going on. This is the time to audit all of that. So you come out of the gate strong, but realize those first two weeks are not going to be strong. I think that's a good point you made too, is there's so many documents and emails and piece of content where this could be a good time to just remix it right now and just add that 2026 or add a couple lines to make it relevant for 2026 instead of doing all the new ideas.
4:48So if you have something that was conferences to attend in 2025, now just switch it up and change the dates and do conferences to attend in 2026. See what content was working that had 2025 in. There's low lift to try to change that up because those could be easy ones going into the new year is just switching the 2025, 2026 and just changing the relevancy of the content, sprinkle some new stuff in and reposting that onto your feeds, into your emails and stuff like that. Yeah, and then whether you're a business or consumer, that's such a smart play. You know, the 2026 fashion trends, 2026 health things, whatever.
5:25Slap 2026, it will crush it. The other thing to think about is our subconscious mindset. We are so busy. We have so much stuff to start out the year. We want to see short copy. We want to see a lot of white space in the social posts, in the emails that we receive. We want to see shorter subject lines. We don't realize it, but shorter is what we want to consume because our attention span is actually super short those first two weeks. So really think about the mindset of who you're marketing to and where their head is at. Because you know, like January 2nd or 3rd, the last thing you want to do is be on a Teams meeting.
5:59That sounds like the worst thing on earth. So getting a giant long form email on January 3rd ain't it. So think about all of that. And Daniel, let me ask you a question. What do you got? I just was going to add something that you could do if you don't know what to do is go back to your inbox from January last year and see what you would have opened from last year. And that could be some new, fresh ideas. So go look at what are the emails that were sent out. Audit those. Now you have AI. You can audit the subject lines. You can audit things that people did in the first week of last year. So I think just go back and look at what worked for other people and what would work for you if you would open it and try some of those things in your marketing.
6:46So the most random question I have for you is that I saw that the new avatar is out or whatever. I've never seen any avatars, you know, the tall blue people. I feel like you're somebody who knows a lot about the movie Avatar and you care. Is that true? Are we talking about the blue people Avatar? Yes. Or like Avatar The Last Airbender. No, no, Avatar The Blue People. No, I am the person who went to the first Avatar like five times when it first came out and then had to wait 10 years till the next one came out. I think it's a great movie. I'm so behind that I didn't know there's a new one coming out.
7:27So you're not that excited about it. So I'm definitely not that excited about it, but I will. It's really funny when you have a kid that all the things that you actually are missing out, because you're not thinking about going to the movie theater right now. So you're not looking at what movies are coming out. And you're probably not watching much TV. We connected with aliens. We found aliens on Earth while you had a baby. Maybe you missed it. Great. Thanks. all trending news send it my way because i'm um behind the that's some good content to send me what what what's trending in the next two three four months what happened years two three four years exactly uh all right everybody uh yeah keep it real we'll check out the next one daniel come on man i gotta get back to work get out of there all right while he's still in there This is Jay.
8:21Check out my podcast, Do This, Not That, for marketers. Each week, we share really quick tips on stuff that can improve your marketing. And I hope you give it a try. Oh, here's Daniel. He's finally out. Back from my bathroom break. This is Daniel. Go follow the Mark and the L.A. podcast. But also, tune into this series. It's once a week, the bathroom break. We talk about marking tips that we just spew out. And it could be anything from email, subject line, to any marking tips in the world. We'll talk about it. Just give us a shout on LinkedIn and tell us what you want to hear. Peace out. Later.
From the publisher
January marketing has a weird hangover, and it messes with way more than your motivation. Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray get very specific about what to do in those first two weeks, what not to freak out about, and the tiny “swap 2025 to 2026” moves that can quietly outperform your big new ideas.
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Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights.
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Best Moments:
(01:39) The first two weeks of January are not “normal marketing,” and you have to treat them differently
(02:15) Set monthly goals for the next three months so you do not start the year feeling behind
(03:30) Do not kill a new test just because it flops around January 8 or 9
(03:46) Why late-January promo email click rates jump about 30% compared to early January
(04:00) Audit every automation and trigger and delete anything that still screams 2025
(05:31) Shorter copy, more white space, and shorter subject lines win because everyone is overloaded
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