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Podcast Summary: Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
Episode Title
ULTIMATE AI New Tip! Black Coffee is NOT a Flex | Jayâs SCOOP | Ep. 334
Podcast Overview "Do This, NOT That!" is a marketing podcast that provides listeners with actionable insights and strategies to enhance their marketing effectiveness. The host, Jay Schwedelson, focuses on innovative marketing techniques, particularly emphasizing decision-making, audience understanding, and leveraging behavioral science principles.
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Episode Highlights
In this episode, Jay Schwedelson discusses
- Leveraging the free version of ChatGPT for marketing tasks.
- The emerging importance of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO).
- Critiques of "flex culture" in modern society.
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Key Takeaways
Using ChatGPT Effectively
- Auditing Resources: Jay suggests using ChatGPT to perform audits and analyses:
- Homepage Audits: Request ChatGPT to analyze a homepage for conversion leaks and suggest improvements (e.g., headlines, call-to-action buttons).
- Competitor Comparisons: Ask ChatGPT to compare your homepage with competitors to identify areas for improvement.
- Social Media Profiles: Conduct audits on social media profiles such as LinkedIn to optimize for better lead attraction.
- Mission-Based Tasks: Jay emphasizes that ChatGPT can be given specific missions:
- Finding creative gift ideas.
- Curating gift lists based on specific interests and limits.
- Answer Engine Optimization (AEO): Unlike traditional SEO, AEO focuses on optimizing content to be featured in AI-driven responses, such as those generated by ChatGPT:
- Example prompt: âAudit my site for AEO. Whatâs missing that would prevent my content from being shown in ChatGPT responses?â
Challenges with AI in the Workplace
- AI and Job Security: Jay argues that AI wonât replace jobs but rather augment them. A prime example cited is the radiology department at Mayo Clinic, where AI enabled a 55% increase in radiologist staff by enhancing productivity and allowing radiologists to focus on patient interaction and complex cases.
Critique of Flex Culture
- Jay expresses disdain for the current trend of flexing or showcasing oneâs lifestyle choices as a means to gain social validation:
- Black Coffee as a Flex: He challenges the notion that drinking black coffee is a status symbol.
- Workaholism: Critiques the belief that long work hours equate to dedication.
- Avoiding Leisure: He dismisses the idea that not watching TV or taking vacations is impressive, advocating for a balanced life instead.
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Additional Information
- Sponsorship: The episode is sponsored by Marigold, a platform for email marketing, offering a promotional deal for listeners.
- Future Events: Jay promotes upcoming free virtual marketing events, including the âEventasticâ conference, which features various prominent speakers in the marketing industry.
Closing Remarks Jay concludes the episode by encouraging listeners to embrace practical uses of AI tools like ChatGPT and to reject the pressures of flex culture. The episode wraps up with a call to action for subscriptions and reviews to enhance the podcast's reach.
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Conclusion This episode serves as a reminder for marketers to utilize available technology thoughtfully and to prioritize genuine engagement over superficial social metrics. Engaging with AI tools and rejecting toxic cultural trends are presented as essential for modern marketing success.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01What up? Welcome to Do This Not That, the podcast for marketers. I'm Jay Schwetelson. Let's dig into some tips and some randomness. We are back for Do This, Not That podcast presented by Marigold. And we're going to talk about the ultimate AI tricks and things that you should be doing with the free version of ChatGPT that I think we've all gotten just like inundated with all this AI nonsense that we have not realized there are very simple things we could do. anybody could do. It couldn't be easier. And yet we're sleeping on it. We've all like turned ChatGPT into this thing where we go there and say, hey, here's my copy.
0:41Can you write better copy? Or hey, can you give me some new subject lines? But that is a one-way street looking at ChatGPT. And what we don't realize for the free or paid version of ChatGPT, whatever you use, that it's a two-way street. You can ask ChatGPT to go out on the internet and do lots of stuff. And this is the secret sauce thing that almost everybody is sleeping on. What do I mean? Okay. You can ask ChatGPT to audit things. So for example, if you go to ChatGPT and say, audit my homepage for conversion leaks. And you say something along the lines of act as if you're a chief revenue officer expert, critique this homepage.
1:29And they put in your URL and list five quick wins, headlines, call to action, social proof, anything that can bump conversion rates by 15%. It will then go to the URL that you put in the website address that you put in. It will go and scan it and it will come back and it will tell you what it thinks. You can send it on missions. This is free. It takes two seconds. Or how about your competition? Okay. You want to know what your competition is doing. So you want to say that you want to compare your homepage on your website to your top three competitors. And you could say to ChatGPT things like this.
2:08Here are three URLs of our competition. Tell me where they outperform us in copy, in social proof, in clarity, in offer, in whatever. And then you put in your website address also. Send ChatGPT on these free missions. You could have it analyze your social media profiles. You could ask it to audit your LinkedIn profile as a personal brand coach. You could have it audit your Instagram bio and it can look at your different pinned content and you could ask it, is this the right stuff to have pinned? You could have an audit your webinar landing page. Say, act like a conversion consultant and go and check it out and tell me what's wrong, how to improve it.
2:54Send ChatGPT out on missions. You could even do this in your personal life. I do it all the time. You could say things like this. Hey, ChatGBT, find me five creative birthday gift ideas on Etsy or uncommon goods for my friend, for my cousin, for whoever who loves whatever. And you put in the interest, you know, 80s pop art, whatever. And then you could say act as a gift concierge. Curate gifts under$50 that are clever, unique, and ship fast. Don't give me any of the basic stuff. And you send it out on these sites or say, what are the 10 sites I should look at? And then send it out on the mission.
3:32This all works on the free version of ChatGPT. And I don't understand why we all sleep on it. And the hottest trend right now in marketing, and you can use ChatGPT, the free version, to do this. Everybody's freaking out about AEO versus SEO. SEO is search engine optimization. All right. That's when Google scans all the different websites and it lists the stuff in rank order on Google when people search for stuff. And SEO has been the biggest thing forever. But now the hot thing is AEO, answer engine optimization. How can you optimize your company page, your website? So when people go to ChatGPT or Perplexity or Claude or whatever, and they're asking you questions, the content from your site, the information from your site comes up.
4:20This is what now we are all doing as marketers. We're doing answer engine optimization. But you can use ChatGPT for this specific thing. So what you could say to ChatGPT is, hey, ChatGPT, audit my site. And then you put in your URL. And you say, audit my site for AEO. Oh, what's missing that would stop my content from showing up in ChatGPT answers? Tell me exactly what to fix, what to add, FAQs, schema, internal links, headings, whatever. Have ChatGPT review everything. What are we doing? In general, people always say this line, ChatGPT is not going to take your job. The people that know how to use ChatGPT are going to take your job.
5:03And that's so true. okay you don't need to be an expert but you need to dig into it a little bit and by the way chat gbt is not taking anybody's jobs it really isn't here's what's going on you know think about i saw this really interesting thing radiologists okay you would think that radiologists would be freaking out about ai why because they're the medical doctors that interpret medical images like x-rays and mris and ct scans and they interpret these images and that's how they diagnose stuff and whatever. And you're like, Ooh, AI sounds like it could definitely do that probably better than a human being.
5:39And there was this really cool thing that came out from the New York times where they went and they met with the radiology department at the Mayo clinic. And they said, are you guys getting rid of all of your radiologist jobs? And they go actually the exact opposite at the Mayo clinic. And this just came out this week. They all, the radiologists all dug in big time into how to leverage AI to do things better. And as they were able to do this, the radiology department of the Mayo Clinic, they increased their headcount by 55%. Why? Because by leveraging AI and kind of partnering with AI, it freed up the radiologists to do things that AI can't do, talking to patients, advising surgeons, customized treatment plans, all sorts of stuff.
6:30And so it's not that AI is going to take your job. It's that you need to know how to leverage AI and really understand what's going on there in the easiest possible way. And this idea of sending out our missions is awesome. All right, let's get into the ridiculous portion of this podcast since you didn't ask. First off, before I do that, this podcast has a sponsor. Yay! Yay, Marigold. I use them. I use Emma by Marigold. That is one of the best sending platforms on earth for your email. And I don't think you like your sending platform because you get frustrated by it. I don't. I send out billions of emails.
7:05And Emma is awesome because they hooked up everybody here just to do this, not that with this amazing offer. 50 % off their platform for three months. Come on, that's awesome. All you gotta do is go to jschwedelson.com slash Emma. jschwedelson.com slash emma and you get access to 50 off for three months come on check it out all right let's go to since you didn't ask the ridiculous portion of this podcast the whole podcast is ridiculous so um i get annoyed by everything on earth everybody annoys me everybody i come across annoys me i'm a horrible person and i got into a thing i was out to dinner i was into a thing with people out to dinner and with this other couple and the dude sitting next to me he wanted to order coffee which i'm not a big fan of at the end of the meal i'm like let's go home enough is enough we don't need to keep talking but he's like we were i want to order coffee i go fine so they come over and they go you want a coffee and i got a coffee with um almond milk okay don't judge me like almond milk whatever and he goes i'm gonna get a black coffee and i go okay and the waitress leaves whatever and he goes have you ever tried black coffee i'm like yeah i don't like it.
8:16It's gross. He goes, no, black coffee is where it's at. What you're doing, you got to be a black coffee person. And he was like, basically black coffee is a flex for this guy. I'm like, you're a loser. Okay. Black coffee is not a flex. Nothing is a flex. Everybody's got to stop thinking that what they're doing means that I think that they're cooler. Okay. When everything, you know, I, I, somebody said to me the other day, I was on a zoom with them. They go, you know what? I haven't taken a vacation in six years. What do you think of that? I was like, I think you're an idiot. That's what I thought in my head.
8:48I go, it's not a flex. You don't take a vacation for six years. I'm not impressed by you. I don't think that you are awesome or tough. Or somebody said to me, you know what? I never cry. Why not? What are you, not a human? You think that's a flex that you don't cry? I cry all the time. I cry every time I watch weird movies. I'm a loser. I don't know. Okay. And the one that actually has always crushed me that I think is actually the worst advice anybody could have for their career. And this is advice I got early on. And I think it was the stupidest thing anyone's ever said to me. People say, you should always be the last one to leave your office.
9:27That shows that you're really invested in your job, in your career, whatever. Be the last one working every day. And you know what that means? You're going to be the most tired person every day. You could be at your work longer than anybody else and do nothing and being incompetent doofus just being there doesn't mean anything and the one the flex that i just won't even participate with when people say to me i don't watch tv that's great okay that's fine i know a lot of people don't watch tv they don't have a tv amazing good for you that's i don't care but i don't i mean nothing i don't care rude i like tv tv is like my best friend okay and if you don't watch tv that's fine go play with rocks i don't know what to tell you i like tv i'm a very shallow person i like bad tv get over it uh and black coffee enjoy yourself i don't care but i do care about you and thank you for being here our big giant free event eventtastic spelled event astic uh dot com it is free as virtual it's the world's largest event about events in-person events virtual events, webinars, whatever.
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From the publisher
In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson shares simple but powerful ways to use the free version of ChatGPTâespecially by sending it on âmissionsâ most people overlook. He also dives into the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and why flex culture is exhausting.
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Best Moments:
(00:59) You can ask ChatGPT to audit things
(02:05) Compare your homepage to your top 3 competitors
(02:38) Audit your LinkedIn profile as a personal brand coach
(03:06) Curate gifts under $50 that are clever, unique, and shipped fast
(04:07) Audit my site for AEOâwhat's missing?
(05:20) Radiologists at Mayo Clinic increased headcount by 55% because of AI
(08:10) Black coffee is not a flex
(08:50) Not taking a vacation for 6 years is not impressive
(09:38) I don't watch TVâgo play with rocks
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âAudit my homepage for conversion leaks.â
†Add: Youâre a CRO expert. Critique this homepage [insert URL] and list 5 quick winsâheadlines, CTAs, social proof, trust signalsâto bump conversion by 15%.
âCompare our homepage to our top 3 competitors.â
†Add: Here are 3 URLs of our competition. Tell me where they outperform us in copy, social proof, clarity, offer, and CTA.
âAudit my promo emails.â
†Add: Youâre the worldâs greatest promotional email expert for webinarsâshred my email and tell me how to improve the subject line, CTA button, preheader, image placement, the whole thing.
âAudit my LinkedIn profile like a personal brand coach.â
†Add: Based on my industry, tell me whatâs missing from my profile to attract leads or speaking gigs.
âFind 5 creative birthday gift ideas from Etsy or Uncommon Goods for my [friend/boss/sister] who loves [insert interest].â
†Add: Youâre a gift concierge. Curate gifts under $50 that are clever, unique, and ship fast. Donât give me basic stuff. Be quirky but useful.
AEO PROMPT:
âAudit my site at https://your-site.com for AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Whatâs missing that would stop my content from showing up in ChatGPT answers? Tell me exactly what to fix or addâFAQs, schema, internal links, headings, etc.â
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