Oscar Piastri: fighting for his first F1 title

32:11So you can bring new ideas from that, which, you know, have transferred to me in some ways. Obviously, I probably don't need the same strengths and weaknesses as an NFL player. But I think just some of the ideas and methodologies have been very interesting more than anything to kind of go through. Are you fitter than you've ever been? I think I am, yeah. Across the board? Yeah, I would say so. I think from a strength point of view, you know, I've been happy with how I've been the last few years. You know, we're fortunate these days that we have power steering and that was one of the big things that kind of took a bit of getting used to from the junior racing was how different the training has to be because through the junior categories there is no power steering so everything you're doing is trying to hang on to the steering wheel basically with you know upper body training and arms and stuff like that but then you get to f1 and it's very different because the steering is is no longer the hardest thing your neck is probably the most difficult thing to keep upright but also then just the length of the races, you know, the G-forces take it out of you much more from a cardio point of view, but then just managing how long the season is and the travel, you know, that's a very, very important part.

33:25So trying to get on top of that has been a bit of a learning experience the past few years, but this year I definitely think I've been, not even I think, we've proven that I'm fitter than I have been in my whole career. And does that make your recovery faster as well? Yes, I think so. A massive part of it is about recovering, especially when you've got these races at the end of the season with a lot of traveling involved, a lot of back-to-back races. The end of the season is a triple header where you go from America to the Middle East. So recovering in that part is ultimately the most important thing.

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34:38Not hugely, no. I mean, he always keeps me up to date on the UFC and boxing and all kinds of stuff like that. But I think NFL, I used to watch the NFL a bit when I was younger. Because in Australia, the American sports are actually easy enough to watch because of the time difference. In Europe, they're a pain in the backside because of the hours. So I've kind of followed the NFL a little bit more again, but more from like kind of stats and scorecard perspective rather than actually sitting and watching the games. But yeah, it's been interesting to get back into that. This episode is sponsored by Rag & Bone.

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38:51Let's reflect now on 2025. I want to start with the highs. By two tenths of a second, Piastri roars past to take pole. Quite some turnaround from last year, so let's have ourselves some fun tomorrow. No dramas for Oscar Piastri. Piastri takes the Spanish Grand Prix. So Spanish Grand Prix, does that epitomize all the improvements that you've talked about? When you look at your progress from last year at that race, where I think you qualified 10th and finished 7th, and then you dominate it from the front this year, did that sort of sum up all the improvements that you've made? I definitely think that's a good example, yes.

39:36I mean there's been a few good examples of where I felt kind of the most obvious difference from this year but I think the interesting thing has been that for quite a lot of races this year that were tough last season have actually been my best from this year China is probably the best example of that you know China was it was my first time going there last season so there was that but it was a real struggle and then this year to get my my first pole and win the race there that was you know we went into that weekend expecting things to be tough again and expecting there to be a lot of learning to do so to then have my first pole first win of the season at a track that was very tough last year that for me was already a really good sign that things are working a bit differently this year and in a good way.

40:31I think Spain is probably a good example. I think Bahrain is probably the weekend that I rate as my best for the year, but I think Spain is a very good one for a similar reason. It was a struggle last season. We kind of found some things outside of my control, let's say, that went a bit wrong last year in Spain, but I think this year was again a tough race of tire management of of pace of uh you know all kinds of things that last year you know there was some things that went wrong but there was also some things that went wrong that were in my control so to then have that weekend we had this year there was phenomenal and I think that was a a really good confidence boost but to be able to do that at more than one track this year has been the real kind of confidence boost why was bahrain the standout for you uh it was just a very very good weekend you know i think um but so with the other two we've just discussed right yeah i think china was was very strong but i felt like go on can we talk about china because that was the week after australia the australian driver spins at the Penultimate corner of the racetrack.

41:42Can he keep the car going? Yeah, sorry about that mistake. His dream of winning his home race is gone. You know, it's such a busy weekend for you. The home race, you live, you know, just around the corner. And then, of course, you had the disappointment there. What was your mindset going into China? The first couple of days after Melbourne were frustration. but I think I really looked at that weekend as a good opportunity to be able to move on really like I think Melbourne was obviously very tough but I think I saw China as just a really good opportunity to almost force myself to put Melbourne behind me and focus on something new because I think you know I expected China to be pretty tough so I kind of didn't allow myself to dwell on Melbourne too much because I knew that I had to focus on China and the things that went wrong the year before and trying to rectify it for this year.

42:41So there wasn't really anything about kind of making up for Melbourne or anything like that. It was more just like, yeah, Melbourne sucked in terms of the result. But actually, I think the other thing that I felt going into China was, yes the result sucked but I just missed out on pole I'd been quick in the race you know it was challenging for the win which I wasn't able to do the year before so already those kind of things even if you you know take the result to one side was already a good confidence boost so I could kind of rely on that a little bit and it was more just like how do I replicate that again in in China but ultimately try and go a little bit better and that's what we went out and did so that was yeah that was pretty special for me you mentioned australia that the positives i remember that overtake of lewis hamilton in the wet through the you know the quick s's going into that left-hander but there have been some great overtakes elsewhere as well lando coming out of eau rouge there was even george russell in mexico a couple of weeks ago can i talk to you about overtaking is it all about feel with the brake pedal or is there is there more to it uh i mean it depends a little bit on the overtake really and you know overtake on the inside versus the outside is very different.

43:57I think knowing who you're trying to overtake is also important in some ways but I think in other ways kind of ignorance is bliss sometimes. So, you treat drivers differently? A little bit yeah. It's normally if they're at kind of one end of the scale you know if you know that they're going to make life incredibly tough for you, then yeah, you probably think about things a bit harder. And if you, you know, not that there's really anyone easy to overtake in F1, but if you know that they're going to be a bit nicer to you and give you a bit more space, then you also think about that. So, it depends on a lot of things.

44:35I think ultimately, it's kind of down to how much risk you're willing to take and what's the reward going to be. You know, in a lot of scenarios, Because maybe you don't think about the risk that much, but you just think about the reward. But having some kind of sense of that balance is obviously very important. But ultimately, it is down to feel and kind of instinct and knowing what you think the other guy is going to do. Are they going to break earlier and try and cover the inside? Are they going to try and really go in deep so you can't go around the outside? And some of that is guesswork. A lot of that is guesswork.

45:11but kind of reading the situation quickly assessing your chances of whether you think you can pull it off or not and then ultimately if you think you can make it work you have to commit to it there's no there's no in the middle oscar i can't get my head around how you guys have any feel through the brake pedal because i drove the red bull simulator a few years back and i could not get my head around the brake it just felt completely numb just like a you just stamped on it but there was i'm not a racing driver but how you guys get your brain around that and it's extraordinary yeah i think that the g-forces definitely help and i think that is ultimately the the drawback with simulators is you miss a lot of that additional information you get through ultimately your butt or you know the 5g is trying to push your head through the steering wheel you know when you can feel all those things it helps a lot because yeah you know it is often quite difficult to tell exactly how much brake pressure you're putting but you kind of iterate towards well I didn't lock up the lap before can I push it a bit harder now I feel like I'm on the edge of locking up or you know just from a pure stopping power kind of thing you know you know how much you're getting thrown around in the car when you stop so it's something that that kind of comes naturally but it's um it's different for for different people and you know some people are very very active on the brake pedal what do you mean by that they're very quick in kind of adjusting their brake pressure through through a stop and you know one thing is are you active i would say no um there's kind of a few ways of doing things, obviously judging how to get to the apex in the best way possible, the fastest way possible when you're going from 300 to 80, for example, trying to judge that distance is not very straightforward.

47:13And some people are better at kind of not picking the perfect breaking point, but then being able to manage all the way to the apex. Some people are better at picking the right breaking point and then kind of maximizing what you have to get to the apex. And both of those kind of approaches have strengths and weaknesses, I would say. I think for me, normally my driving style is pretty smooth with a lot of things. Braking is generally one of those things. But there are strengths and weaknesses with that. Sometimes that works massively in my favor because if I get to the right place or when I get to the right place, then I can be incredibly consistent.

47:53but if you need to change things up a little bit or things are a bit unpredictable then you know i have to work a bit harder to try and adjust to that let's say so um yeah it's all quite interesting how it works i mentioned simulators are you a king of the simulator do you do as much as some of the other drivers um what's your longest stint have you 17 hours straight like I think Max Verstappen did once? No, I have not. I don't know how long I've done straight. I think, you know, for me, I kind of look at simulators in two different ways. I think when you're, you know, with your team, there's obviously a very specific purpose of what you're trying to achieve, which is firstly, get your eye in for the circuit you're going to and help the team with setup ideas and try to put the car in the right place when you hit the ground because you know especially on a sprint weekend like Brazil anything you can learn or gain before you've even hit the track is going to help you when you've only got one practice session so that's kind of the first way I look at it the other way is simply to have fun so you know when I'm on my simulator at home I'm incredibly rarely actually trying to learn something new or improve myself I'm just driving it because I'm competitive and I like to try and beat other people on their couches at home.

49:19Do you compete against random people? Yeah. Yeah. And do they know they're racing Oscar Piastri or do you have some suit in it? Yeah. So, I mean, I normally play, I always play iRacing, which you have to use your, well, you cannot use your real name if you're, yeah, if you know some contacts, but generally everyone uses their real name. So yeah, people know. and I think for me it's just all about having fun really like you know ultimately I started driving in the first place because I loved it happened to be good at it and that kind of you know it's a pretty positive spiral from there when you like something and you're good at it so for me being on the sim is just kind of the continuation of that you know there's no pressure involved in that there's no expectation although sometimes when you enter a race on the sim i almost get more nervous for that than i do for a real race but it's just simply about having fun and just driving things and seeing how normally how quickly i can get on the pace rather than grinding for hours and hours and hours but um simply about having fun as long as you win i'm getting that vibe right pretty i mean it's always more fun when you're winning right so it's like fernando alonso i said to him why don't we play paddle someday and he said well i don't think that's a very wise thing for you to do and i said why and he said because if you beat me and i'm this is fernando talking if you beat me i will never speak to you again are you like that uh no you're up for a game of paddle i'm up i mean firstly my paddle ability compared to fernando is significantly less so then also kind of my pride in my paddle ability is less as well but I think for me, I'm, you know, there's some people that are just competitive in every single thing they do.

51:13And there's other people that are not competitive at all. And then there's some that can pick and choose. And I think for me, you know, I'm incredibly competitive when it comes to essentially what I think is the most important thing to me, really, you know, for me at the moment racing. But when I was at school, you know, trying to finish my schoolwork the fastest and the highest percentage I could. Really? Yeah. I think you might be the first racing driver that's ever said that. Yeah. And the two were kind of interchangeable. It was normally, I wanted to be the first one to finish my work, but like also trying to get everything right.

51:54Like I wouldn't just, you know, answer everything and go, Oh, I got 20%, but I finished first. Like I wanted to be the best of both worlds but I think for me any time where there is actually competition involved like if you're playing a competitive game of cricket or paddle or whatever where there's kind of something at stake let's say that's that's where my competitiveness comes out but if I'm playing paddle or tennis some other sport with just some friends where there's no kind of there's no prizes for winning or losing you're just there to have a good time then for me it's kind of a lot easier to um just enjoy it i think and don't get me wrong i still want to do the best that i can but there's not the same kind of urgency of like if i don't win this then shit's gonna be a fan if we if we play paddle and i beat you i would tell every single person I've ever met.

52:55Oh, yeah, there'd definitely be a rematch. But I think for me, there's just some people that are, you know, they can't lose at anything. And I think for me, I definitely don't want to lose. And that does still go into everything I kind of do. But there's certain levels of care with that. You know, if you're playing with your friends, like, yes, I still want to win. But if I don't win, then whatever. like you know I don't really care so for me that's just how I roll and I think everyone works a bit differently you know some people are just constantly driven by that pursuit of competitiveness and being the best some people can be worn out by that and I think everyone kind of knows their their limits and what works best for them you know some people when they're not in a race car they're out skydiving or skiing or doing something crazy other people are sitting on the couch doing absolutely nothing.

53:52So everyone's a bit different with that. We've discussed the step you've taken from 24 into 25, but can we also now look at, and I'm quoting you, some of the bumps in the road that there have been this year. Some of those have been just frustrating things not related to pace. I'm thinking of the safety car transgression at Silverstone, really frustrating. When you think back to that now are you still uh-huh or how quickly do you dwell on things like that um yeah that one definitely hurt for a little bit but I think by the time we got to the next race it had moved on from it you know obviously when you look back at anything um there's still going to be some residual emotion there whether it happened 10 years ago or two weeks ago I think it very much depends on how you deal with it.

54:43I think if you just let it kind of take control of you or you don't do anything to address it and you kind of like Silverstone, for example, if I had just sat there going, I think that was a crap decision. I don't agree with it. That's stupid and just sat on that, then probably would still hurt a lot to this day. But I think when you look back at it and go yeah okay maybe still don't agree with the decision but there's this I could have done differently there's this that could have happened a bit differently and also just dealing with the emotion over like you know is being upset with this going to help me is it going to fuel me for the next race or is it just going to keep pissing me off identifying which of those two things it's going to do and then doing something about it that's a really important thing for me and um yeah i think generally in the times where you sit on things and bottle it up bottle it up to an extent that's when when the emotions can be uh a bit overwhelming he's in the wall he's out of the race oscar piastri into the barriers and his grand prix ends on the opening lap what an absolute nightmare for piastri Baku you had such a brilliant weekend there last year one of the best wins of your Formula One career this year didn't go so well do you understand now the reasons why yeah I mean ultimately a combination of quite a few things you know obviously the the race before that was was Monza which you know I didn't feel was a particularly great weekend from my own performance and you know there was obviously what what happened with the um pit stops but then also in back of itself friday was was tough things weren't working i was overdriving i wasn't very happy with how i was driving and ultimately probably trying to make up for that a little bit on on saturday but you were purple in quality until yeah you went into the war weren't you so i suppose i'm asking after the success of what happened there in 24 yeah did you go there in 25 maybe with too much confidence?

56:58Is that possible? I don't think so. I wasn't really, you know, obviously I had good memories of Baku from last year, but I knew, you know, I knew that that didn't guarantee me anything at all for this year at Baku. I think there was kind of some things in the lead up, let's say, that were maybe not the most helpful and then things that happened on the weekend, you know, we had a engine problem in FP1 that kind of unsettled things a bit. Then I was driving not that well. The car, you know, we were on the C6 tires that weekend, which are now notoriously tricky to handle. There was just a lot of little things that eventually kind of added up.

57:44And, you know, ultimately I felt like on Saturday my pace was very good, but I was just trying a bit too hard ultimately. And I think that led to the crash in qualifying. And then the race, again, kind of ultimately a combination of a few things, starting a bit further back, maybe wanting to make up a bit from the day before, reacting to something in the shift lights for the jumpstart, trying to pinpoint which one of those is the cause and which one of those is the effect. We'll never know. But I think ultimately Baku was the perfect storm of quite a few things, which obviously it was a pretty terrible weekend, but I think the amount of learning we had from that weekend from a technical point of view, emotional point of view, a team point of view, like so many areas.

58:38Actually, I look back on it now and go, there's no beating around the bush. That was the worst weekend I've ever had in racing, but probably the most useful in some ways. So yeah, when you can start to look at things like that, I think normally that helps you out quite a lot. And you're in good company when you look at, you know, the drivers in the past that have had bad weekends, you know, think of Senna at Monaco in 88, crashing in the lead. Schumacher, I remember at Montreal in 99, crashing into the wall of champions and, you know, the list goes on. So maybe, maybe that was what was, you know, that was your Baku weekend.

59:15Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think, you know, I think that's the other thing with motorsport and sport. And I mean, just life is, you know, nothing's ever going to be perfect. and a lot of things were going very well at certain points this season, but a lot of things along the way haven't been perfect either and that's just how things go. And ultimately, again, you look at some of the names that have had some pretty shocking weekends or in some ways almost unbelievable weekends or races or moments in their career where things have gone wrong. It happens to anyone. It doesn't matter how much you've achieved, how little you've achieved and it happens to everyone like there's not one person in racing that doesn't have some kind of disastrous story of how uh you know how a weekend went wrong for them so yeah i think kind of looking at at it from that perspective does does help a lot but then obviously you still need to learn the things you need to learn from from weekends like that well it's now the business end not many races to go when you look at what's to come obviously some tracks are going to suit McLaren more some tracks are going to suit other people more I look at Qatar and I think I'm guessing you guys are pretty excited about that one I mean I think we're we're confident for all of them to be honest you know it's funny you say Qatar we were very confident there last year and we ended up getting beaten by by Red Bull so I think you know one of the interesting things but especially this current regulation we have is the kind of form book or guide to where you think people are going to be strong very very rarely works out uh the way you expect is is kind of what we've found and i think the the big strength we've had this season in particular our cars just being good across the board you know it's been uh i think you know a lot of the medium speed corners is probably where people have identified we're strong, but we're a bit stronger than everyone in that area, but we're just as good as everyone else or, you know, the, let's say, class leader in low speed performance, high speed performance, a lot of other areas as well.

1:01:31And that's been, you know, firstly nice to have as a driver, but I think that's been kind of the key to our consistency and success. You know, Mexico is a very different circuit to Qatar or, I'm trying to think of another one, Miami, for example, is a very different circuit to Qatar. And those have probably been our best races. So I think the best thing we can do at the moment is just maximize what we have in our car. And I think I'm confident if we get pretty much the full potential out of it, then we'll be in very good shape no matter where we go. And the fans are loving the way McLaren are letting you and Lando race each other.

1:02:14Just how difficult is it to keep things equal between teammates from a team perspective? I don't think it's that difficult, really. It is the way we've always operated. When that's your default, ultimately you need to do something different to not treat each other equal. which is probably more difficult in some ways. So I think it's obviously difficult when you're racing your teammate and obviously things have happened this year. We've come together a couple of times. And I think obviously those kind of situations for a team, it is very difficult to keep everyone happy because there is ultimately going to be at least one person that isn't going to be happy.

1:03:01No matter how you tackle the scenario, it's impossible. So I think the team have done a very good job on the whole of trying to be as fair as possible, as equal as possible. You know, in terms of the equipment we've had this year, it's been identical. So I think the team has done as good a job as they can of trying to be fair and trying to treat each other equally. And, you know, we've been ultimately free to race for the year, which is nice for us to have it, you know, in our own hands as much as we can. And I think nice for everyone watching as well. And we've talked about Oscar Piastri, the competitor.

1:03:41Just how much do you relish moments like this in your career? I enjoy them a lot. Yeah, I think going back to kind of what we were saying before about pressure, you know, these are the kind of moments that you live for. You know, if I didn't have this pressure in my life or in the season, then it wouldn't really be a very memorable season, probably. it wouldn't really be worth remembering that much, let's say. So I think for me, I'm very at peace with that. You know, it is uncomfortable at points, but I'm kind of enjoying putting myself to the test in those moments. And I'm learning, you know, a lot about myself in these moments.

1:04:22And ultimately, I think however this season goes and however the championship looks, you know, I've learned a lot of things that will help me in future seasons to come and also just my life in general. I think so, you know, I've been enjoying that side of things, even if sometimes in the moment it's not been the most comfortable place. I think with hindsight, it's a pretty cool place to be. Best of luck with it. Thank you, Oscar. It's been great to catch up. Can I end this, what I call the traditional way? The sport is 75 years old this year. One memory, F1 memory from the 75 years. It doesn't have to be Oscar Piastri related.

1:05:03It could be anything. can you remember the first race you watched? Maybe not the first race I kind of watched a little bit of, but the first race I actually sat down to watch was the 2009 Australian Grand Prix. Braun GP. Braun GP came out and wiped the floor with everyone. I mean, to be honest, how old was I? I was seven when that race happened. So I was kind of just enjoying that the cars with bright colours were leading the race. I didn't really understand that what they were achieving was something that hadn't been seen in F1 before and probably will never be seen again. But yeah, I mean, that's my first moment.

1:05:45I think one of the most memorable moments I have is Canada 2011. Not so much because of the race itself, but I remember going to bed and the race was either about to start or it just started or they were going to the grid or something. and when I woke up seven or eight hours later, it was still going on. So that's already just finished when I woke up. So I then watched the race afterwards on record and yeah, it was pretty wild race. But that's one of my more memorable moments because I went to bed with the race about to start, being upset that I was going to miss it and then waking up to it still only literally just finishing.

1:06:32Oscar, thanks for your time. No problem. Thank you.

1:06:41Australia 2009, Canada 2011. They're both races won by Jenson Button and both races for the ages for different reasons. Now, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing from Oscar and I hope you did too. The way he's dealing with this season, one of the closest in F1 history, is very impressive given his level of experience. and let's not forget that he's challenging for a championship in the same season that he scored his first pole position. There have been ups and downs, his weekends in China, Bahrain and Spain being the highest of highs and his explanation of what happened in Baku was honest and to the point.

1:07:18He will learn from it and come back stronger, I'm sure. Oscar, many thanks for your time. It was great to chat and good luck in these final races of the season, just not in the ashes. Well, that's almost it for this episode. For more insight into McLaren's approach to the Drivers' Championship and how the team have transformed into back-to-back world champions, you can listen to a special episode with CEO Zac Brown and team principal Andrea Stella. That's on the Beyond the Grid pod feed just below this episode, so do give that a listen. And don't forget to check out F1's other official podcasts.

1:07:51You can hear analysis of Oscar's challenging weekend at Interlagos in F1 Nation's review of the Sao Paulo Grand Prix, And Oscar's race engineer, Tom Stallard, is a recent guest on F1 Explains, answering your questions on how data helps make F1 drivers faster. Both of those pods are out now. Just search for F1 Nation and F1 Explains on your podcast app. Thanks very much for listening. I'll be back next week with another big name from the pinnacle of motorsport. F1 Beyond the Grid is produced by Formula One and Audioboom Studios. Until next time, keep it flat out.

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