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31:56Open that aren't even happening at the U.S. Open. They're happening in the city somewhere. And I'm always curious because they look crowded and a lot of people are there. But I'm always like, who are these events for? Like, and are they moving the needle for these brands in any sort of meaningful way other than saying we had an event at the U.S. Open and we had some marketing budget to spend? I gotta say I kind of wanted to be like can I just go into this because I would like some of the gem home food yes you should I looked it up it says our converse and gem and palms so isn't palms palm space so isn't palms that thing in that tennis thing in um palm society is that the one that's in palm springs maybe that's around Indian there's like that tennis club that's by Indian Wells I can't remember the name of it I don't know if that's what that is I think that's what it is.

32:50They did a thing and it says, come by today and tomorrow and say, hey, H-E-J. And oh, no, it's somehow Swedish. Oh, okay. I don't remember. Yeah, this is a Swedish person. Nikolai Hansen. But it's also connected to Palm Springs somehow. And it's tennis. I think it's the same place out in Indian Wells is somehow connected to okay i believe this person is swedish not danish but again i'm this is i'm just riffing now yeah they did this thing yesterday and i was like i would like a salad i don't just want a savory right right but yeah it's it's interesting how do you decide like out of all the the brand sports stuff to cover like do you feel you if if it's a super famous person you've got to cover it or is it more just if it's interesting like how do you sort through it for sports gossip in particular and you have a sub stack too yes um that's a good question i think if taylor swift's doing anything around sports i'm going to cover it regardless because it's we always joke on the podcast if we put Taylor Swift or LeBron James's name in the headline, you know, like, it's going to get more listens or opens if it's my newsletter.

34:21So I think in that sense, sure, yeah, I probably will always cover it. But I try to gravitate towards stories that are more interesting and different. Like, I, to be honest, don't really care about a major brand activating at the US Open. That, to me, isn't very interesting. I am more curious when if a brand is sending more interesting creators. That, I think, is a more compelling story. But when we talk about the show in particular, at the root of every story, we always ask, does this have some sort of tension at the center of it? So that could be a story that has tension at the center of it that has to do with Taylor Swift, or it could be about Tom Brady's Instagram, which I'm sure we'll talk about, that maybe people aren't necessarily covering at the time when we started covering it.

35:04But for us, there needs to be some element of tension. It doesn't necessarily mean that there needs to be scandal, but there needs to be some some pull there. I agree. I mean, this should literally be the rule of every single journalist or media. Yes. Attention doesn't have to be bad. It's just like there needs to be like a there there. Yes. Or you shouldn't be covering it. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Really quickly, because I do want to talk about Tom Brady's Instagram because I know nothing about it. Oh, my God. I want to talk about him as and his his role in the in optimization culture, because to me, it's it's fascinating to see his transformation.

35:49But I felt like I was looking more at what people were wearing at Wimbledon this year than U.S. Open. Like, did you feel like the fashion on and off the court? What did you think about what people were actually wearing? Well, at the U.S. Open, a lot of guests are wearing tennis outfits, which I find strange. I'm not a big Halloween fan. And it, to me, reminds me of Halloween, wearing a tennis skirt to the U.S. Open. It just feels—it's like if I went to a doctor's office and showed up in figs. Like, I'm not going to wear scrubs. You know what I mean? I'm not playing. So there was a lot of that.

36:26And then there was this extreme other end of people dressing like they're an extra and gossip girl. Very preppy, feels almost a little bit outdated in terms of the style. Little polo shirts with skirts that aren't tennis skirts that just, I don't know, don't really work. And then, of course, there are people just in outfits because it's hot and wearing shorts and a t-shirt. And I certainly kind of fell in the middle. I wore shorts and a button down, but there is a lot of this sort of like gossip girl-esque dressing. And I've only been to Wimbledon once. I went last year, and I would agree with you.

37:04Wimbledon dressing is way better, but that's also not surprising because that tournament is not embracing influencers in the same way that the US Open being such an American sports and pop culture media event does. I even read that Wimbledon, I don't think they're credentialing creators. I don't know if they have in the past, but they've already said for next year, I don't think that they're doing that. Whereas the U.S. Open doubled the number of credentials they gave to creators, which also, it's not to say that those creators are the ones like the wearing gossip profits. I don't think that's the case, but I do think it encourages a culture of content creation and consumption around the U.S.

37:39Open that you don't necessarily see at other tournaments in the same way. Is the creator who's behind Dairy Boy, is she married to a tennis player? Yeah, Paige Lorenz. Now I think Paige Paul. She's married to Tommy Paul. And she got married recently. I think she wore Carolina Herrera, I think, if memory serves me correctly, in her Vogue wedding exclusive, obviously. Gorgeous. She looked good. But yes, she has a brand and then is also married to a tennis player. And so those kind of gals, they're also wags or like up there creating content, but then they're also there to support. Exactly. Yeah.

38:19You know what? Get that bag. Is he one of the Viore people? Oh, he might be. I don't know. You would actually probably know that better than me. I am obsessed with Viore's sports people, Tommy Paul. And I feel like he was one of the people that got, let's see. That sounds right.

38:46um ben tommy uh it's really hard now with ai to to find this stuff now it's really screwing that damn overview it's unclear okay he wears a he wears new balance maybe i don't okay i don't know it's there's no um there's no big story about it anywhere ben shelton hardcourt who is written by jessica schiffer who who used to write about fashion she's really a writer i just interviewed oh jack draper is the viore jack draper yes yes yes anyway is jack draper the one who i was like wow he's extremely cute people like him he's british i think yes okay so anyway what did you think about on the court it was our friend jacob gallagher wrote a piece for the times basically being like the style yeah this jack jack draper is a very cute guy but um the style for um like on the court was kind of it's almost like they've peaked in terms of tennis style do you feel that way?

39:58I do feel like we've kind of peaked and it felt like a swing back towards more just traditional tennis outfits across all the brands, obviously outside of Naomi Osaka, who walked out in those custom warm-up jacket looks style by La Roche. I don't know. I can't remember which brand she worked with. You might know this. And that was certainly very interesting. And she always wears something interesting walking out onto the court for the most part. but I there weren't really any standouts. I wasn't opposed to anything. I liked the Nike like double striped sports bra look. I think Serena was wearing it.

40:33That also kind of felt like a nod to just more traditional tennis outfits. Yeah. But there wasn't really anything that stood out as like this is bad or this looks terrible. Yeah. I was kind of neutral. Yeah. It's interesting. And Coco Gauff is on the cover of the new issue of The Gentlewoman. And I thought it was an interesting choice. They like athletes, and they've had a few different athletes featured in the magazine. Many different athletes featured in the magazine, but I think also on the cover. And I assume it's connected to her Mew Mew line, but I just thought it was an interesting choice.

41:14It does feel like to me, I don't know if we can get more into tennis as a culture. No. I mean, we've reached peak saturation, I feel like, across a lot of sports in terms of the ancillary content we're getting and all of these brands and media organizations trying to tap into sports. I think in some ways it works, and then in other ways it just does not land. Yeah. That covers an interesting choice. I mean, she's obviously a huge star. I'm curious. I saw online, it already said it was sold out, but I don't know if it's always sold out that quickly. So I don't know if that's just a comment. The Coco Gauff.

41:49I think it's really cute, too. Yeah, it does look good. And so people are like, I just want it. And I think it's probably a little more affordable than their typical stuff. So that probably helps. Yeah, I don't know. What do you think about the sort of potential? of because living in Paris, I'm much more exposed to football. Yeah. European football. And obviously everything I read in any sort of analysis is like, if you have a football star be in your campaign, it's like the best thing in the world for you. And also with the Ronaldo Gucci wedding, I was like in my interest increased and my kid keeps talking about Messi and Ronaldo asking if they're in the NBA.

42:40Oh, close. He's learning. But yeah, I'm just curious. Like, do you think that they have a that's that's the sort of slam dunk if you're going to if you want to hire an athlete and it's like European football is the way to go? especially if it's like a brand that I like has a male consumer. Totally. I mean, it's the world's most popular sport. I think we live in America, at least I think we lived with goggles on not thinking about the fact that it is the world's biggest. However, I do think even though going into this World Cup, it was unbelievably chaotic. The Joshua Kushner of it all that just all of the off the field scandals that were kind of happening leading up to the World Cup.

43:27It felt like it was going to be a bad PR look. And not to say FIFA is not full of bad PR scandals. But I do think that this World Cup exposed the American audience to a lot more soccer players that maybe they wouldn't have known about, even though they already are global stars. Like I think about Erling Holland, the Norwegian player, and like he went on basically a tour of America as like trying on cowboy boots and all this stuff that I think it's very smart for brands to tap into soccer players, even American brands. And I think people underestimate how many soccer fans there are in America. And it's only going to continue to grow.

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46:19Let's talk about Gucci star Tom Brady and his Instagram. Tell me about it. Tom Brady, Tom Brady. So for those who don't know, Tom Brady was married to Gisele Bundchen. He's the former NFL GOAT quarterback, as they say. They got divorced in, I think, 2023, I believe, or when they announced it. and since then this man has been crashing out online and also in his real life and to the point where on the sports gossip show we did a full sociological analysis of his Instagram I got my master's degree a couple years ago in sociology where I analyzed the top 30 most followed celebrities on Instagram and did a whole theoretical framework around that and so we applied that same framework to his Instagram to kind of figure out what sort of content is he sharing around which moments what do the captions seem like?

47:08What's the sentiment? And basically the overwhelming sentiment is that this man is going through it. Since he got divorced, this man posts more shirtless photos, long captions, post photos with his kids, clearly trying to grasp on to like these elements of family that I think he wasn't participating in because he was a football player and that was his whole world in a lot of ways. And then also he still continues to post photos of him with a football, like literally holding a football in all of these images. And I'm like, sir, you're retired. You're not playing football anymore. And so that Gucci moment does not surprise me at all.

47:45This man has lost his main identity, is trying to find a new identity in retirement and has no idea who he wants to be. And he's not he is a commentator on TV, but is not very good. Is that the. So he wasn't very good at the beginning. He's gotten better. And he's on a tenure contract, I think with Fox Sports. And I read recently that I think his goal is to actually write out the full contract and be a commentator for another seven years. I think that's left on his contract. And he's, he's done a better job for sure. Like when he started, he was definitely a little bit rusty. It's an amazing thing because this, this is typical, like they give them a real chance and and it is also it shows that the all you need to do with being on air is practice and the more you practice you will get good enough to not like be terrible right but um it does just require a lot of practice i would like to briefly talk about his physical transformation please because i mentioned this i believe i mentioned this to my boss at some point I was like, I don't know, because I don't follow football.

48:56I don't, I was like, I don't understand what happened to this guy. Like he, and, and there, and my boss was like, what are you talking about? It's completely normal. Well, but he is like, I know, isn't he on some like really weird diet? And then, but he just like, to me in the Gucci campaign, and I'm, this came, maybe came up on another podcast he is like the ultimate version of this idea of optimization in american culture like he is so gaunt i know this is he's so gaunt i know and i'm not i do i really don't like to comment on people's weight anyway i don't like when people comment on my weight so i don't want people to i don't want to comment on people's weight but it's alarming to me like it's so chiseled.

49:48Yeah. And I know he's like on some very strict diet or something or. He was on a very strict diet when he played. I don't know if he's still on that same diet, but to me, it looks like that kind of gone. I don't know if it's that he got like filler put in his face in a sort of strange manner or something. I don't know. I have no idea. But that's it. That's almost what it reads to me is like he's gotten some sort of Botox or filler or something. Or maybe he's gone to. do you know the beauty sandwich Ivan Paul? Oh, yeah, I've met him. Yes, I've, you know, I've gotten snatched before by him. Oh, wow.

50:23I've tried, but it never worked out. I mean, listen, it worked for me. I got it, but it was not cheap. And I'm not paying what he probably charges now for it. This was a few years ago. But I'm like, is he doing that? Like, is he getting some sort of snatching treatments? Because that's, I feel like, what the gaunt is. I think he's on peptides, too. You think? Probably. Probably. Yes. Well, he does also have this line called No Bowl, which is like his sort of like wellness, clothing, fitness line. Interesting. So I don't know if that's like he's on some routine for that. But he also that was another piece of his Instagram is he continues to post workout specific content.

51:02Like he's getting like sort of like The Rock. But The Rock feels more genuine, even though I know Tom Brady obviously worked out a ton. Of course, when he was an NFL player and still does. but it feels more genuine coming from The Rock than on Tom Brady's Instagram. I can't explain it. Should I follow both of them? I mean, listen, they have very different approaches to their Instagrams, but honestly, yes, they are fascinating. Because Tom Brady especially, like, you can tell what he's going through emotionally based on what he's posting on his Instagram story. I mean, he famously, we talked about this on the podcast, but like, he posted a selfie with his hood over his head like he wants a girl to slide into his DMs.

51:39Like straight up. And I'm like, okay, you are posting so vulnerably on the internet to millions of people in a way that should only exist for close friends at the most. Do you know what I mean? And I'm like, maybe he doesn't know how to use close friends, but he is just very exposed online in ways that I think other famous people are not and present much more curated. Not that he's not curating what he's sharing, but it does feel more intimate in a lot of ways. Well, I wish him the best and I will start following him. I like following fitness influencers. You should. So much of that has to do with fashion as well.

52:19Speaking of, can we discuss Joe Burrows, a real fashion plate who I learned about when I first started at Puck from my colleague, Peter Hamby, who has two amazing podcasts out of Puck now. But he was like going to Fashion Week and Peter was very excited. I was like, I don't know who this person is. Well, I love him. I love Joe Burrow. He's the quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals. And he is always looking very chic walking into NFL games. I think he has some sort of overall deal with Aloe. So he's often in custom Aloe, which I am curious about. Like, are they really? I don't think they've ever released what he's wearing, but he was just photographed during week one walking in in these custom trousers.

53:03and I'm like, is Aloe going to release these trousers? Are they going to compete with Favorite Daughter, the internet's favorite wide leg trouser? You deserve a cut of Favorite Daughter. You've done so much for that company. You know, I must admit, I haven't worn my Favorite Daughter pants. They've been replaced by my High Sport pants, which I love dearly. I was going to say, you and I are real high. I'm wearing High Sport pants right now. Well, I always tell Alyssa, obviously from High Sport, I'm like, can you please make more long colors? because I have all the long colors and I need more. I think the other thing, because I am not as tall as you.

53:39I'm pretty tall, but I have short legs. So I don't, the length is not an issue. I just really like the straight leg one over the little kick flare. Oh, I don't think I've ever gotten those. I have them in the not safe for work. Oh, yes. I tried to order them in another color and she was like, I don't have them. I was like, but can you just make them in the straight? Yes, please. But I love the not safe for work fabric. I just almost exclusively get that now. Which is like just a little shiny. I mean, I'm wearing it for daytime. It is safe for work. I'm wearing my high sport pants right now. Not intentionally.

54:16They're great. They're the best. They're the best. But no, yes. Favorite daughter, I did wear those a lot. Because they are suited for tall people. Yes. Very tall friendly. And my foster sisters are very tall. So Joe is a walking spokesperson for Aloe. Yes. walking billboard for aloe yeah aloe i feel like is gonna they've made a bunch of new hires recently i feel like it's gonna it's gonna start popping and it's very popular in europe oh really i didn't know that yes it's um because they have stores in london and i believe a store here in paris and it's just i you just you see people on the plane like people wear it as fashion here because like wearing leggings here on the street is weird so if you're gonna do it like you really got to do it yeah um yeah i wonder if they're gonna open one of those aloe gyms in london if they haven't already do you know what i'm talking about oh there you go yes there you go i think they have like a cuss the yes the very the very i almost one-to-one during new york you know as with a friend of ours who's a social media executive uh-huh i don't want to out her right now she was like do you want me i was trying to like get into a class in between shows and She's like, want me to call Aloe right now and just ask them?

55:31And I was like, no. You're like, no, I'm good. Next time, though. I want to do a vlog. Lauren, nothing would bring me greater joy than if you did a vlog from the Aloe Gym. You know, I will take photos from the Aloe Gym for sure if you're allowed to. I feel like it's too private. I definitely want to go. Yeah. That is not it. I just was like, there was too much pressure and her calling being like, can you get me in? I also have friends who work at Aloe who would be happy to oblige me. but I was like, I just don't want to bother them. I just want to go to a no-far method right now. But yes, I don't, you know, and then we should move on because people don't want to hear about this too much, but I don't like vlogging.

56:12I find it, I think that there are a lot of people in this world who would be happy if I was more into vlogging. I don't like looking into the camera. It's hard. I find it, yeah, icky. And I know that that's where the world's moving, but I just am very uncomfortable. Yeah, I think that's valid to feel uncomfortable. I think I got a little bit more used to filming selfie style content once we started doing video for our podcasts and posting on YouTube where you're like, you're just on and you're used to seeing your face more and hearing your voice back and seeing your mannerisms on camera. But I also will say like watching content creators, yeah, people obviously hate on them, blah, blah, blah, blah.

56:52But it is hard. Like when I see some of these content creators out here at major sporting events, I'm like, surely this video is not going to be good. And then I watch it. I'm like, oh, my God, this is like a work of art. This video, I could never film this. And I worked in social media for over a decade before doing working in sports that I'm like, I don't know how you gain these skills. I mean, it's so impressive. And like the filming in person, like holding your phone and walking and filming, I'm like that I haven't really been able to master because that is like I feel too uncomfortable. and I feel like I'm being perceived.

57:24Yeah, well, you'll get there. I believe in you. Like we were saying, it's just all practice. Okay, couple little newsy things I wanted to discuss with you. So I had a report last week that Anthony Vaccarello is leaving Saint Laurent. This is gonna be his last show. From what I heard from people close to the Saint Laurent people, his contract's gonna be up soon and they're not renewing it. What I heard from people close to him was he doesn't like this situation there right now creatively and he's ready to move on. From everything I've heard, he doesn't have another job. I think he's just going to take time off.

58:07Like this job, he's worked his ass off for 10 years and it went really well. One little note that I thought was interesting and then the sort of understood thing is that Shamina from Chloe is probably the person who's taking the job. She's definitely interviewed for it. It sounds like it's for real, but they're both going to have their shows and get their send-off or whatever. I don't know the details of her contract at Chloe to know whether or not that would be possible, but she's been there for about three years. So it all makes kind of sense. She used to work for Anthony at Saint Laurent. She's a really strong commercial designer and they need a strong commercial designer.

58:52They also need a hit handbag, which someone said, you know, he hasn't put a handbag on the runway in 10 years. I don't know if that's actually true. But the point being that like, the business is very reliant on handbags, but handbags aren't in the fashion conversation. It doesn't have the sort of like entry-level handbag and then the handbag that fashion people want. And they need both. And they also, I think, from a merchandising perspective, could do a lot more with ready to wear in the stores. Shoes have been a huge success and will continue. But I was just curious as you're obviously a close follower of fashion and a consumer of it.

59:33Like, do you look at Saint Laurent? Do you care about this? Like, what do you think overall? I mean, I'm not surprised. I feel like his time has come to an end. Like, he did a great job there. And I feel like really honed in on what their vision is in this 2020s or whenever he joined. Didn't he join 10 years ago? Like eight years ago or something like that? Yes, exactly 10 years ago. But I always associate them, which maybe other people do or they don't, with sunglasses. That to me is the product that I associate with them. I agree. They do not have some hit bag that I ever think about ever. If anything, yeah, sunglasses would be number one to me.

1:00:08And then yeah, heels, like super high heels is what I think about. So I'm all for the change. I think it would be great. I am not a consumer of Saint Laurent. I've been into the only time I've really ever looked at their stuff was when I was looking for sunglasses because I was like, oh, they have cute shades. But that that is like the only thing I've ever even dug into. And then I just didn't even buy them. And I ended up getting another pair from a different brand. But I'm all for it. I'm like, shake it up. Yeah, I think I think it's good. I'm curious to see what he does after this he deserves a break and i'd be curious to see what he there was there was some speculation he was talking to louis vuitton because nicola jesquere their designer is gonna leave in the next year or so maybe maybe by the end of this year i think it's like they would love for him to leave but they if it's really his decision um but i was told by people inside at LVMH that they're not talking to Anthony for the Vuitton job yet.

1:01:09Who knows? Well, maybe it's because he hasn't had a hit bag. Yeah, well, this is the thing to me. It's like, I am not sure that, I think Louis Vuitton is a brand that needs to have a product designer as the head. Like a Virgil or a Jonathan Anderson or something. Like, not a designer designer. And also, one of the reasons Anthony was so successful at Saint Laurent is he used the archives so well and the archives there are so amazing. Vuitton has Marc Jacobs and Nicola Jesquer archives. They're not like ready to wear art. I don't, I just, she's a ready, ready to wear designer. So I don't know if that's right.

1:01:48But I think Shamina at, at Saint Laurent is really interesting to me because I really like what she's done at Chloe. I think overall, all of these brands, everything is a little too expensive yeah and they're gonna have to start to calibrate differently on pricing like you've seen like some Gucci stuff changing but it's not I'm not saying like completely lose your margin these brands need to make money but there is a way to like be a little sharper consumer psychology wise yeah maybe not 4 ,000 euro for the dress maybe 2 ,800 euro yes yes and you're still gonna make a lot of money on it but um but i think they are all sort of realizing okay we can't all be like hermes we can't all be like dior we need to have a little bit more um flexible pricing so i hope that because the thing about her chloe that i that was frustrating to me and i only really looked in the u.s but like there was blouses that were two thousand dollars and it's like but you can buy a vintage version of this for 400 bucks or whatever yeah i think that that's the challenge like figuring that part of it out i don't know yeah no i agree i also associate chloe with a brand i would see on the outnet like on sale interesting because of the and i feel like part of the reason maybe i have that feeling about it is because the price like to your point i'm not spending 2 ,000 euros on a, on a blouse.

1:03:26I'll spend a couple hundred dollars, but like not 2 ,000 euros. Like I'm just not spending that. And so I do feel like that brand, I also like, I associate with like Ux or something like a sale website. Do you know what I mean? No shade to Chloe, but that's just. No, no, no. Well, I think, well, one thing was that Ux was owned by Richemont. So it probably was even more. It's not anymore. No, but it was. So I bet it was even more. There There was probably like a ton of it on there. Yeah. Yeah. A ton of Chloe because that's their biggest fashion brand. Yeah. One final thing. Speaking of Tom Brady and you mentioned Giselle, his ex-wife, she's on the cover of ID Magazine.

1:04:08I'm curious what you thought of it. I was into it. I'm like, yes, revenge. Yeah, I thought it was cute. I think she looks good and she's continuing her revenge tour from having to live in Boston for all that time with Tom Brady. The worst. Oh, sorry to Boston. Don't add us Boston, but it is not. Sorry. It's it's not a place where a supermodel should be living. Who likes Boston is a question. Well, my co-host Charlotte Charlotte can chime in, but she's from Boston. So she's what neighborhood is she from? She's from Lincoln, Lincoln, which is outside of Boston. Yeah. But I was into it. I'm really fascinated by ID magazine in general and the Carly Closs Bedford media of it all.

1:04:49We actually, we talked about it on an episode about Joshua Kushner and Karlie Kloss. We did with the FIFA scandal. Oh, interesting. I'm like, is that going to move the needle for ID? I don't know. You would know more about the business of magazines than I do. But I liked the cover and it's always surprising to see her on a cover now. I liked it too. I thought it pales in comparison to the W Magazine cover with her, which was like truly iconic. So good. but I really liked it as well and so they ID just got a new editor in chief Steph Yaka I think this was Tom Bettridge the last editor and I thought it looked good it was the first ID cover that is memorable probably because it's Giselle yeah but I thought she looked cool and it was an interesting concept so we'll see I mean Steph is a frequent fashion people guest and someone I've known for a long time and I'm really rooting for her and I think it'll be interesting to see what she does next.

1:05:52But yeah, I think you're right. They were a couple who, I mean, again, I barely know anything about either of them, but I didn't think they were going to break up. No, it didn't seem like they were going to. They had like a very trad vibe of their, their relationship felt very trad. And so the fact that they split and there's been all this sort of the way they've managed it and the media has been like both of them because I remember when she did her basically her divorce story where I believe it was with something yeah it's um I guess it's trad the way they're doing that too but it is just very they both feel very exposed in an interesting way yes both feel very exposed I think I will say that if you do follow football, you may not necessarily be surprised because he retired and then unretired, which I could imagine that that set her off and she was like, I thought you were done with this.

1:06:51I'm over it. It felt like it was an ultimatum. I mean, I don't know them personally, but if you're just following his career, him going to Tampa Bay was just like, you're like, what are you doing, sir? I thought you're going to retire. Like, what's going on here that I don't think it's surprising in that regard. But yeah, I don't know. I think that they both clearly seem to be thriving in their own right. And Tom Brady is just going to continue to post online. Yeah. I'm going to start following him for sure. Do it. You have to. You have to. Madeline, this was great. You have to come back like once or twice a year because this is a good intersection of worlds.

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