Duomo Days

29 Sep 2026 · 1 h 5 min · 22 chapters

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In short

Fashion People recap of Milan Fashion Week, plus brief discussion of Vogue World and related tech/robot backlash. Hosts and guests review standout shows, critique trends (skirts, bra tops, makeup, craft vs vision), and share shopping and food/transport anecdotes.

Guests

Lauren Sherman (host; writer of Puck’s fashion and beauty memo line sheet). Becky Malinsky (guest; writer of “Five Things You Should Buy”; fashion writer covering what they saw, bought, and ate at Milan Fashion Week).

Key claims

Vogue World felt inward and disconnected from its Italian craftsmanship theme, especially due to robots; robots were widely disliked. Prada’s skirt concept set the week’s tone; bra tops/bloomers are becoming overused and can look like “diapers.” Jill Sander’s tailoring and silhouettes feel newly wearable and “next generation.” Marnie’s thrifting/mismatch spirit is closer to the original brand but still too pragmatic. Gucci’s post-Alessandro direction feels cynical but sells; Demna’s product is strong even if not “feel good.” Armani Emporio is solid but feels like a holding pattern for Dario’s future role.

Notable examples

Prada (skirt-focused show; banana heels; Vogue pod lunch/granddaughter detail). Jill Sander (office-ready tailoring; slouchier softer bags; strong shoes). Marnie (Gen Z thrifting vibe). Moschino (fun, satirical, stadium show; bubble skirt/handkerchief dress aspirations). Gucci (kilt looks; goth makeup criticized). Ferragamo (YSL-like “Coke Zero” comparison). Bottega Veneta (lighting praised; craft overtaking vision).

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Chapters

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Mental Health and Accessibility

0:00 to 0:22

Exploring the challenges of accessing mental health care through insurance.

“So I'm obviously, obviously a big believer that mental health and physical health go hand in hand.”

Mental Health and Accessibility

0:23 to 1:08

Exploring the challenges of accessing mental health care through insurance.

“RULA solves this problem by working directly with more than 100 insurance providers nationwide.”

The Downtown Muse Aesthetic

1:21 to 2:30

Discussing the new downtown muse aesthetic in fashion and styling tips.

“Let me tell you, the downtown muse aesthetic is taking over city streets, bringing an effortlessly polished, cool girl vibe that feels completely put together without looking over styled.”

Milan Fashion Week Experience

2:51 to 6:27

Recap of experiences and opinions from Milan Fashion Week shows.

“I went to three shows yesterday, Julie Kegels, Hoda Kova, and also that one that translates to fecal matter.”

Talking Fashion with Becky

6:32 to 7:20

A discussion between Lauren and Becky about their time at Fashion Week.

“Becky Malinsky, welcome to Fashion People.”

Sam Heim's New York Magazine Covers

9:40 to 14:01

Analyzing the New York Magazine covers and the commentary on men's fashion.

“Sam Heim New York magazine covers for the men's issue.”

Vogue World Reflections

14:01 to 17:08

Discussing the disconnect between Vogue's themes and execution at recent events.

“And the biggest thing that came out of it was how much everyone hated the robots.”

Show Feedback and Analysis

17:09 to 18:38

Analyzing the feedback from various shows and the cultural implications of the events.

“And to me, there was a lot of Italian press who dragged it like crazy.”

Prada Show Discussion

18:39 to 23:49

An in-depth analysis of the Prada show, including themes and reception.

“I definitely have favorites, but I'm sure we'll get to them.”

Insights from the Vogue Podcast

23:50 to 25:59

Sharing insights from the Vogue podcast discussing design processes and collaborations.

“Everybody looks like they're wearing a diaper, even like if you're very tiny.”
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Jil Sander Show Review

26:00 to 28:00

Reviewing the Jil Sander show and its approach to tailoring and office wear.

“But I didn't realize how much there was other than trunks prior.”

Discussion on Fashion Shows and Designers

28:00 to 31:20

Gain insights into recent fashion shows, exploring the evolution of designers and their collections.

“There's nothing you look at and you're like, oh, that's referencing that.”

Highlights from Marnie and Moschino Shows

31:30 to 40:00

Exploring the creative direction and cultural impact of Marnie's and Moschino's recent collections.

“Dumb Blonde is where we talk about all the things everybody else is thinking, but is too scared to say out loud.”

Gucci Show Reflections

40:00 to 42:04

Reflections on the Gucci show, discussing the collection's aesthetic and design choices.

“I wasn't I had already gone home for Gucci.”

Gucci and Balenciaga: A Design Perspective

42:04 to 46:04

The hosts discuss the design philosophies of Gucci and Balenciaga, focusing on the creative direction and market reception of their collections.

“a lot when they do these creative director exercise, like when they're auditioning, they're often asked to do a store concept.”

Emporio Armani and the Future of Fashion

46:04 to 49:12

A conversation about Emporio Armani's recent show, its reception, and the anticipated changes under new leadership.

“Whereas with Sabato, like, what were we going to say?”

Dolce & Gabbana: A Revival?

49:12 to 52:08

The hosts reflect on Dolce & Gabbana's recent collection and the potential for the brand's revitalization in the fashion industry.

“And Armani's sort of the sort of core example of it.”

Ferragamo and Bottega: Comparative Analysis

53:58 to 56:00

The hosts compare the latest collections from Ferragamo and Bottega, discussing design influences and the challenges faced by each brand.

“And I was thinking about it in the context of Bottega, which like.”

Bottega's Aesthetic and Design Challenges

56:00 to 1:01:42

Discussion on Bottega's current design direction and the need for improvement.

“And now at Bottega, it's other people's ideas.”

Shopping Experiences in Milan

1:01:42 to 1:03:27

The hosts share their shopping experiences and purchases from Milan.

“little cotton bra top and i bought the matching um two layers of skirt the black sheer and the the white cotton poplin.”

Styling Challenges with Boots

1:03:27 to 1:05:37

Discussion on the styling challenges of knee-high boots with different outfits.

“I mean, the colored tights are hard when you're 40 plus.”

Culinary Highlights from Milan

1:05:37 to 1:08:24

The hosts share their favorite meals and dining experiences while in Milan.

“Samira, the editor of Harper's Bizarro's incredible personal style.”
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2:31Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's fashion and beauty memo line sheet, and today with me on the show is Becky Malinsky, writer of Five Things You Should buy. We're talking about what we saw, what we bought, and what we ate at Milan Fashion Week. Happy Tuesday, everyone. Hope you are having a great week. I am back in Paris. I went to three shows yesterday, Julie Kegels, Hoda Kova, and also that one that translates to fecal matter. I'm not going to try to pronounce it in French. It is way too early in the morning for me to do that. But I will definitely be writing about this brand more, I believe, in Line Cheat.

3:15And yes, the show, you may have famously heard, it was in Republic, which was kind of incredible. And also it started an hour late and then also was a very long show. But you know what? I'm not going to complain about it. All I will say is that if a brand wishes to uh conduct themselves in this in this matter which honestly like all I kept thinking was I need to be less uptight I shouldn't have booked dinner for like within inches of when the show was supposed to take place like it's totally fine I had a great night overall I would just say like if you're gonna have a show where you're waiting for someone and it's gonna be late and all that stuff we were ostensibly waiting for Rihanna which understandable.

4:01Like, I love Rihanna. I am happy to wait for her. It just was, I also had a dinner reservation. But it's just like, so I feel like so bourgeois of me to care about that. But the point being, so I'm not going to complain. The point being like, just have a show at nine o 'clock at night. Because the thing is, if it was at nine, I just would have been like, I'm sorry, I can't go. I'll come meet them another time. I think that's the best way to do it. If you're gonna be kind of a late show just be late generally anyway I'm interested in this brand commercially I think the custom work that they do is really fascinating and we're gonna hear more about them and you're gonna be able to see reports all week from the shows on Monday's line sheet I did have my sort of end of Milan and what it said about the state of the industry and then I also had just stuff people were talking about more vogue world more zuckerberg the row the rose new advertising campaign and then also the really fun thing is i got a sneak peek of the virginie viard book and so i pulled out some tidbits from when she left chanel and what what she feels like what went down um it's it's pretty dramatic but not that dramatic and i think it's good to read it.

5:18Honestly, I think she needs to go on Laura Brown and Christine O 'Neill's All the Cool Girls Get Fired show because it's like the classic, like it could be a chapter in their book. Anyway, it was interesting. I'm going to have a lot more reporting from, you know, all around Fashion Week and all around the companies and all that good stuff. One thing I wanted to note was that Becky and I did not talk about Glenn Martins and Diesel and that hilarious show where people just started like making out in the audience. It was extremely uncomfortable. And I was like giggling like a five year old. Becky was also there and she doesn't go to Diesel all the time.

5:58And for some reason, she decided to go. But anyway, it was a fun show. And also, to be honest, the clothes were quite good. It was just hard to pay attention to them. So Glenn Martins is very talented and he did a great job at Diesel. And I look forward to seeing his Margella show tonight. I think that that was the only thing I wanted to say before we get going with Becky. I had a great time in Milan. I think she did as well. And I hope you have a great time listening to this. Becky Malinsky, welcome to Fashion People. Welcome back. Thank you, Lauren. I'm so happy to see you again. It's been so long.

6:41It's been what? 48 hours? Yeah. That's crazy. Oh, you left on Friday. Friday. Wow. It feels like it was only yesterday. It did feel like once I was home for two days and there were still shows happening, I was like, wow, I'm like already readjusted. This is crazy. Yeah. I think many people know this, but the amount of time you and I spend together during fashion month kind of makes up for the fact that we don't live in the same city. Yeah, I love it. And you like to make plans and reservations and I don't. So it's like so wonderful for me. I'm glad. I really love if you would like me to book. It's crazy.

7:29I was never a personal assistant or an assistant of any type. type. I guess I'm not organized enough, but you are kind of mine now because I'm like, people are like, what are you doing for dinner? I'm like, I don't know. I have to ask. I love there is nothing like, you know, I have already booked. We were talking about where you should go to Pilates. I've got a bunch of places in your neighborhood in Paris. I've already booked all of my Pilates classes for the next two weeks. That's incredible. Maybe I should do mine after this. You should also maybe come to Lagrinus with me once. Sure. It's really fun.

8:03I love my teacher there, Jade. She's she's always like, stay with me, Lauren. I kind of need that. I need someone to be like, Becky, it looks great for me to not just give up. Yeah, she's always because she could see me starting to disassociate. And she's like, you've got to stay. It's just really, really hard. But it's fun if there's like a show around there. We'll we'll figure it out. But yeah, I've just spent other than the times when I'm not working and recording podcast advertisements. I am booking restaurants and I need to book my Japanese manicures for the end of this week. But really quickly, I just want to tell you, I went to David Mallet this morning because Sophie Conti, Conti Communications, works with David Mallet, the famous hair salon.

8:54They have one in New York and a couple in Paris. And they were doing something for Fashion Week because they have a new conditioner. And I was like, sure, I'm happy to come in and get a blowout to try out the new conditioner. And David Mallet ended up blowing my hair out. Wow wow he was like an out-of-body experience well it was amazing because he was like he said hi to us and then he said I'm just gonna do yours and when I sat down he said I would like to also do your color I was like I don't have enough time but he was exactly right rain check I'm so happy for you thank you so how are you feeling about you're back in New York how are you feeling about the Sam Heim New York, Sam Heim New York magazine covers for the men's issue.

9:46You know, I was looking at them this morning. I was just thinking, it's so hard to do something original now. Like, it's just like, there's so much has been done. There's everything has been referenced. And I was like, oh, this is cute. And I haven't seen it before. And there's so many. I was like, how did they get all of these guys to agree to do this together? I just really liked it. I thought it was like sexy without being raunchy. I just liked it. Yeah, I did not think it was sexy, but I thought it was really smart and interesting and compelling and also very journalistic. And we should say it's a bunch of guys, I assume most of them live in New York at the Russian baths, which is a big thing in New York, especially in gay culture.

10:38It feels very New York and it feels like I thought it was smart to have Marlon James, whose novel is like, everybody is like, this is the best novel of the last 20 years or something like that. And then also Elliot Page. It was a really interesting conversation between these covers and then the GQ cover of Tom Cruise without a shirt on also on the men's all these men were shirtless is something we should say in the Russian baths. So it's just like it was interesting because it was like. I don't think that they're like particularly sexy, but they're very compelling is what I would say. And I thought it was smart.

11:22It's very New York. like it that's the the biggest thing about it was that how when sam came on the podcast we talked a bit about how like how are you going to make this new york when what does that actually mean in terms of men's fashion and i thought he communicated that very clearly through these images yeah i mean one thing to think about is that there's really no fashion in it yes yeah that's about you know yeah but I don't know I thought it was a really interesting group of people I love you know knowing that there are so there's so much politics when dealing with personalities when you see a really interesting group of people together I'm always so impressed by the people behind the scenes who have to negotiate that and get all of these people into the same feature it's very it's so much harder than it seems yeah yeah so well done Sam we're very happy for him and And yeah, it's going to be interesting to see.

12:22I'm looking forward to reading all the pieces to see who contributed, what kind of conversation. It's a new era for men's fashion. Great. No, I do think it's interesting that it's going back to like the men. I think men's fashion got to be too capital F fashion there for a while and really difficult for not a very specific subset of men to engage with. So this should be good. Yeah, I agree. It was it feels like it's moving the conversation forward and that is hard to do. OK, so let's get back to what we are we are here for. We are here to discuss Milan Fashion Week, which you and I both attended, starting with Prada in on Tuesday.

13:08And then we ended with I ended with Armani. But you can comment on that, too, I think. I would love to just like, I want to set this up in three pieces. One is that I want to discuss the shows, kind of go through the shows we liked, the shows that we were maybe challenged by. Then I would like to talk a little bit about shopping, and then finally, a little bit about food, because we ate a lot of good food. But before we get started with the shows really quickly Vogue World do you have a do you have thoughts because I wrote about it again on Monday because it it was all anyone could talk about even by the end like everything especially the Milanese because a lot of them attended and it was all anyone and then Meta Connect following vogue world and the robots and the zuckerberg and just all of it is of a piece i think and i'm curious if you have a quick quick take i mean quick take uh it feels very much like it's speaking to itself as someone who did not attend it sort of made no sense to me as someone and so it felt like this sort of microcosm.

14:30And the biggest thing that came out of it was how much everyone hated the robots. So, you know, it's tough for me to make a comment. I wasn't there. I don't totally understand the purpose of it. And I think the robot thing, I mean, I guess if people don't know, they had robots walk. And the theme of this entire thing was Italian craftsmanship and handmade elements. And so it was it felt extremely disconnected from the message. And we're kind of in a time of everyone being very repelled by artificial intelligence. So it it was tough. I thought it it landed hard. Yeah, I would say I also did not attend, but I went to the New York Vogue world and also to the Paris Vogue world.

15:24And what I would say is that it's becoming, as you said, inward. It's deeper and deeper inward. And it feels like it's not communicating the Vogue brand. It's not entertaining for people who are not there. It is not really making anyone happy. I think, and this may be my bias because I'm a fan of Lisa Loves, but I think the New York and the LA shows, which she helped produce, were the best ones. And I also was not invited to LA. And I still think, especially from the feedback of the people who were there, that that made more sense in the culture of commenting on what's happening in the culture.

16:07Paris was extremely weird also. And I was there for that. But this one, it felt like the ultimate sort of example of Vogue not being able to use its power to amplify its brand, rather make its brand smaller in a way. And I am very, very nervous about the San Francisco, which is next year, because it's going to be connected to all this technology stuff again. That being said, Gap will probably be deeply involved, and I wonder if Lisa Love will be involved because she lives in LA and it's a US thing. So, look, maybe they'll think about it and say, how can we? There are many things I've written about this 15 times already, but I just think we needed to address it briefly because it was the thing everyone was kind of talking about for the rest of the week.

17:09and look like all press is good press maybe but in this case I don't think that's the case I don't I think that's funny because in my conversations I it was not spoken about that much like I didn't talk about it that much and I feel like you are not a person who they're like can you believe that well I don't know I just it felt to me like if you weren't there if you didn't work at Vogue if you weren't associated with Vogue it didn't involve you and and they didn't want it to involve you so It was sort of like I didn't there wasn't a ton of outside press not in publications. And to me, there was a lot of Italian press who dragged it like crazy.

17:48I got to look like you got to read them. It's wild. Like it's like they they think I'm bad. Like these people were like. Just went straight to the heart of it, like no sensitivity about respect to anyone involved. It was it was interesting. very very harsh feedback but yeah I mean I was talking to a lot of the brands that were involved so that's probably why it was coming up more for me than you speaking of brands involved let's go through the shows do you want to just should we just kind of run through them or do you want to pick out some of your favorites or how do you want to go for it? However you want.

18:38We can start at the beginning. I definitely have favorites, but I'm sure we'll get to them. Yeah, I think we should start with Prada and skirts because it really did sort of lead the conversation for the week. You did an entire newsletter about skirts. I'm sure it's not the first time, but it kind of set the tone. And I wrote that I feel like fashion month really starts with Prada in some ways. And that's even the case when Prada is on Thursday. But now that it's going to be on Tuesdays, I think they might keep that slot. It's going to set the tone for the whole week. And I love Milan because it really does tell a story of the industry.

19:17It's different. Paris is so long and disparate. But Milan, you can look at all those brands and say, this is what's happening in fashion. And I thought that the Prada choice to kind of have this one idea of this one peak garment and and run with it was really interesting. And I was thinking about it the whole week. What did you think of Prada? I mean, I really liked Prada. I usually usually like Prada. I am a skirt person. And so for me, it was sort of it was easy to digest. There were so many beautiful elements, details, full ideas. it was a show for me. The one thing that was tricky for me in Prada, well, there was two tricky things.

20:02One, the idea of it just like the skirt being the overall concept that feels, I mean, obviously I'm making this up. I don't have any actual intelligence on this, but it's a RAF idea to me. Like a Mrs. Mrs. Prada to me is not going to do a whole, like it feels very on the surface. The idea of starting with the skirt, to me, she's going to go a little bit deeper. So that feels like Raph started and she worked in her ideas. And I'm usually a Mrs. P first, a Raph second kind of gal, but I love the combo. And the second was like, there's so many bra tops and I am really fatigued of the half looks everywhere.

20:43I know, Becky, but then you bought a Prada bra top. But then I bought one. And I I actually wrote about this in the newsletter this weekend that if you are like the message that Mrs. Prada and Raph have been going for the past few seasons has been very tough and very aggressive, it feels. And you skirts are very prim, especially a skirt that's going to hit at the knee. So like, how do you make that tough? You're going to have to shock with skin. So it made a lot of sense to me that there were a lot of there was a lot of skin in the show. But it's not just a Prada issue. It is an issue everywhere where people showing their tops with bloomers.

21:20And, you know, it's just to me at this point, I'm like, your challenge is to show me a full outfit. Tell me that you can give me an outfit. And so I'm just kind of getting to the end of that. But I loved it. And I did buy a bra top. That's fair. I understand what you're saying. So actually, I did do some reporting on this about the relationship between Rafa and Mucha. And apparently what I was told by people involved is that she gives the direction and he more executes. So it's just and literally the day after the show, I was told. So we also have to talk about the pod, the Vogue pod that they went on.

22:00Did you listen? I haven't listened to it yet. OK, yes. I Malik listened to it for our purposes. We can talk about it. But I think what was communicated to me and look like also these two people, they're in a marriage. Nobody knows what goes on in a marriage except the two people in a marriage. It's a great way to put it. Even though people might say this, that like she sort of has the idea and then he or they talk about it and then he is sort of like, here's the plan. And to me, it's always about what elements of her life and history are they bringing in? I think for like, I think it's the colors since he got there have been much more driven by him.

22:45And I am particularly I love his use of color. So for me, this was like for me, look, I'm never going to wear a bra top, but it was an ideal Prada show. Like as a consumer, I will buy a skirt and I will get the shoes, the banana heels. And I immediately was like, I know I'll get a commercial version. I won't get a runway piece, but I will get a skirt. And it was exactly for me, like the energy of that show was. And I like things that are really straightforward as a consumer, like as a as a person who looks at this stuff. And I obviously the styling season, I guess you could call it was there was a lot to think about or the season where they did every single shoe was different.

23:31Like these are ideas of, you know, that are a little bit more heady. But I I loved it. And the bra thing, it's a good point. And it's not something I all as much as I think about merchandise and collections, I don't think about that that often. And I do I am also sick of the bloomers because, you know what? No one looks good in those. Everybody looks like they're wearing a diaper, even like if you're very tiny. So so tell me about the podcast. What what insight did you glean from it? Oh, it was so tough. I mean, I felt for Chloe. They did not give her a lot for sure, but they did talk a bit about the skirts and how the idea came to be and how they digest ideas together and have a conversation.

24:17They do not start very far in advance of designing. No. Yes. Yeah. I mean, no matter what, it's a fun listen, even if sometimes the answers are one word. The most interesting thing was that Mrs. Prada has lunch with her granddaughter every day and gets to the office at two. And stays until like 10. They stay until like seven or eight or something. They said they spend the morning doing email, but then Chloe was told the questions are too personal moving on. So it was like incredible in that sense. But yeah, it was an incredible show. Obviously, I I love the show. There are pieces that I loved.

24:56And I just think it's interesting to pick apart what feels Raph and what feels Mrs. Prada and how it all works together is always a fun mind game, I think, for all of us. I agree. I agree. And the insights that we got this season were it would it definitely feels like you're we're getting closer and closer to them. But I don't I love it. I'm obsessed. They both have incredible energy. They're both so intelligent and they are both such a mate. I mean, obviously, she's the ultimate. Also, I went to the Prada Galleria store that they redid and went to the skirts. Did you go to the skirts? Oh, no, I didn't go.

25:37I wasn't in Milan for very long. It's incredible. And it's also like all these brands have these museum stores now. And I thought it was amazing. I was totally in. They had bags from the 40s and the 30s. And you could just see the history there that I kind of didn't realize existed. Like, I know that her family's on that had this company for a long time. But, um. Is it open to the public? Yeah. But I didn't realize how much there was other than trunks prior. Because she started the fashion in the 80s. And we know that. But there was a lot of bags and stuff. And it was really interesting. Also, Laya Garcia Furtado, who is the head of culture features and things at Harper's Bazaar.

26:30she's publishing a book called Prada in the 90s that they just sent to me um I think can you send me one please just message her and she'll send it to you but yeah I think like I don't know it was it was a great Prada week and I think it's smart I hope that they stay on Tuesday because it just sort of kicks it off and I I know it's frustrating for people who like to be at home and don't want But if they could tighten it to be Tuesday to Friday and then we get the weekend back, I'd be I'd be real excited. So very pro product. OK, so we move on to more skirts at Jill Sander. More skirts and actually a lot of good pants at Jill Sander.

27:11It's true. And great shirts and great. Oh, my God. Everything was good. My takeaway from Jill is that this is how people should be and designers and merchandisers and all of the above should be thinking about tailoring next generation tailoring. Because I feel like for the person who is going to the office and whatever, like theory has got that covered. But if you want to put out like something other than jeans that feels cool, like this was it. The shapes were right. The fabric was right. It was a little bit slinky. It had a flare. The jackets were long and slim. It just it felt like the girl that you want to be.

27:55It was so good. I wanted so much. And it doesn't look like anything else. It doesn't look like true. There's nothing you look at and you're like, oh, that's referencing that. It's just great stuff that it feels new and worth buying. Worth buying. And and doesn't it kind I think to me it felt like the first season of Simone being there that he felt like he could just do what he wanted to do and wasn't being told what Jill is by 100 different people. Yeah, I think the first season was it was really strict. And the second season, you could see more of him in it. But this time, you're totally right.

28:37Like it it felt it was a little undisciplined. I said that to a friend. And I was like, it felt less disciplined than he typically is. But I was happy for that. Like there was a lot more texture in the materials and obviously in the color. But the colors were so great. I mean, it there are just it was funny. I when I was at David Mallet this morning, I ran into there were a lot of people there. And I was talking to someone who got there late and said, you know, I probably look nice. But I went to the showroom for Jill and I was just it looked so good. And the shoes are so good. Like there's a shoe for every one of us.

29:19I thought the men's was really good. And and there was just a lot of pushing of silhouette and things, but then also things that were easy and simple to wear. So it was a great show. And it's just nice. there's so little that who was asking me yesterday like where do you shop and i was like there's really no there's in terms of brands that i want to actually buy stuff from there's phoebe jill prada and that's basically like there's a lot of brands i really admire but i mostly buy vintage. Right. Well, that's the challenge every brand is up against now. Yeah. Yes. I have to say too, I went to the showroom for Jill and the bags were better.

30:09They were slouchier. They were softer. They had an interesting, they felt like you could put them on. I feel like the bags, I'm, here's the thing. What I think about the bags doesn't really matter because the bag consumer is not me. It's not you. Like we both don't even want bags. I think the thing is, though, the shoes, the heels, the all these they don't look like anything else on the market. The bags look like. And Prada has bag issues, too. Everyone has bag issues like no one. Yeah, I got to say, though, you got to see them. They were great in person. Okay. Well, I don't know. I don't need a bag right now.

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32:20I just I thought she did such a good job of tapping into this culture of thrifting and, you know, mismatching in an interesting way. And there were just a lot of clothes and that idea for people who are never going to be Gen Z thrifters, but still want to dress in a current way. She had it like I just thought it was so great. I really, really loved it. I liked it a lot. I still want there to be something a little more fucked up about it. To me, looking at her own collection and looking at the way she designed that and thinking about Marnie itself and what it was originally, which I think the thing that she has done is she's restored some of that spirit.

33:15But I think that she's going about it in a very pragmatic way. And Marnie was not pragmatic. Prada is pragmatic. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. No, it was very bohemian and very open. And so I think to me, I think that it feels, it still feels like but what what is new Marnie like I want to know more about what new Marnie is not like every piece is slick and put together but I want a little more of her in it then oh I disagree with all of that I disagree with all of that I went to those shows in the early 2000s me too and I felt like and I lived in New York when my bosses were wearing those and it felt like those were the clothes.

34:06Well, what was the woman's like? Consuelo's last night? I'm going to butcher a Castiglione. Yeah. I mean, those clothes were like the ultimate clothes for the women who worked at art galleries. And this feels the same of just the next generation. And I just think it did have that kind of fucked up messiness to it in a way that young people dress. But for people who are going to spend money. And I think her clothes were always for women who work in creative fields. Yes, for sure. I think it needs a step further. And I'm a huge fan of Meryl's. I think she's awesome. And I think she's a really, she's a real professional and has done a good job.

34:43And the bags are selling, the shoes are selling. I think her bags are really good. Really good. And I love that fall shoe. I almost think it's like the lace. I just want a little bit more for me. And especially, it was interesting because I went to Moschino. Oh, I'm sad I missed that. I was already gone. It was super fun. And look, from a sophistication level, Meryl is like a way more sophisticated designer than those guys. But it was funny. A couple people from the fashion world designers messaged me and they were like, that feels like more of the Marnie spirit than Marnie did in terms of the looseness of it.

35:25Yes. And look, you can't compare them. Like she is. She's a she's a real professional. They are still having fun and figuring themselves out. But it was a great show. And I thought it was like really interesting. And Moschino is so kind of grounded in it's like the satirizing the fashion industry that like it became too literal. And these guys didn't try to satirize the fashion industry. Of course, it was a stunt to like have real quote unquote real people who were dressed clever, not in real clothes like they were definitely styled. don't try to tell me otherwise whoever the pr person is but um i thought it was really smart because all those people were backlit when you take a photo and the models were not backlit so like the images were amazing we were in this crazy stadium outside of the city and the sky was blue with clouds dotting it was like 5 p.m it was just they got so lucky with the weather it was truly incredible the images were remarkable but also i thought the clothes are fun and these guys are very funny.

36:30Like they used to do all these stunts with their, when, when they left their brand, they did an auction. Um, but so like, I think I just thought it was nice. And I thought the clothes were really cute and I could see, speaking of like young people, I could see them aspiring to wear the bubble skirt or the handkerchief dress or whatever. I thought it was like, it was a really fun show. It was definitely like a top five highlight for me. And, um, And I was glad that I made the effort to go to the stupid stadium 35 minutes outside of the city when there are no Ubers in existence. I was going to say, like, that would have been tough for me with the transportation there.

37:12Milan, you've got to get your transportation. They've got to figure it out. This season was so challenging for me. It was so bad. And I made my way around for many years now, and I almost died. we take the metro a lot which is fine but like a lot of times the metro is if i had taken the public transportation would take it would have taken me an hour and a half and like at one point i booked that day actually i pre-booked a car and it was supposed to come at like i don't know what time and when it was supposed to come they were like there's the car is still 20 minutes away from you and I was like no no like this is not only that but you have to that they start the meter when you call the car there so you get in and it's expensive I don't know the whole situation there is really challenging yes and I had multiple I had a taxi on my way to Max Mara at nine in the morning be like oh my um my meter's not working you have to get out I'm like yeah but now I'm not at a taxi stand and it's nine in the morning and I almost missed it.

38:20It was so did I tell you about when she almost took me outside of the city because a very nice person booked a car from for me through a local app and we're driving. It was a 10 minute ride to my Airbnb and in the car for like 20 minutes I was working and didn't notice. I was like, where are you going? She said, oh but you're going outside of the city right and i said no and the person had booked the wrong and she said i have to go to my friend's birthday she didn't charge me for the cab which was nice but i was just like but this is the thing the crazy thing about milan is uber you get the same person you multiple times because there aren't that many uber drivers so you're like well this lady again but yes it's and the thing is like yes they have you can take a bus with the camera delamoto but the problem is we not no one goes to every single show so like it's just not actually that convenient it's the only place i would never need to mooch a ride off of anyone in paris but like in milan i'm constantly mooching rides off of people because i'm just like we need to find a solution it is it's because I understand like it's expensive and it's hard to find a Moschino.

39:38I wrote my like lead line for it was the only consistency between all Moschino designers is that their shows are in like extremely inconvenient places 40 minutes outside of the city. But it is like it's a real issue. It's really frustrating. Yes. OK, moving on. Moving on. So Gucci, what do you think? I wasn't I had already gone home for Gucci. I'm sorry, Gucci, for missing the show. I have family things. I obviously loved the kilts. I saw the kilts and I squealed like, oh, my God, I love these looks. I thought it seemed like it was on par with what we've been seeing. It was I hated the makeup, but I liked the gloves.

40:26It's so funny. Becky, that's exactly we can agree on this. I said this to someone. I was like, I wish that they hadn't done that makeup because the looks, the women's looks that were really great had the the goth makeup. And it was like it kind of took away for me. Yeah. From the. Yeah. From the. And also they didn't photograph as great as they were the this kind of Sloan Ranger looks. They were amazing and they didn't photograph as great in in person. So, yeah, I put them on Instagram like all excited and I and I zoomed in and cut all their heads off because I hate. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. That's a good idea.

41:08I would say, look, like this to me is what it should have been in the first place. Like post Alessandro Gucci needed to be bourgeoisie, a little preppy. I think that there were many other designers who would have made more sense for that post Alessandro. Jonathan Anderson, Michael Ryder. Like there are a lot of people who they should have done everything in the entire world to get them to do that job. Demna, we have to remember that Demna wanted this job. He was interested in it. But he also saved them by taking this job because they didn't have any choices post Sabato, really. Like they I'm sure they had choices, but not at this level.

41:51And Demna is a world class designer. The product is really good. Individual pieces are really good. I like the idea. And I think if it had been the first collection, that would have made sense. And I thought it was interesting that he created the set was like a store because it did just, you know, you know, a lot when they do these creative director exercise, like when they're auditioning, they're often asked to do a store concept. So it felt to me, it was interesting. I look like I wanted to sell because I want Demna to be successful and happy. And I also want Gucci to do well. And I, as you know, I bought this Gucci skirt from the second collection, like the tom ford exercise because essentially what he did was go through all the different eras of gucci and this is the end he mentioned don mellow um this is like pre-design being a designer brand and i think that was the smart smart way to go for this one but um look i like this skirt i got from the second collection the pre pre-collection it's navy it doesn't have pockets.

43:01It was very expensive, even though I got a very generous discount. It was still a lot, even for me who spends too much money. Honestly, the skirt is awesome and I loved it. I wore it this week and it's just so cute. It looks amazing. It fits really well. It feels expensive. And so, you know, here's best of luck to everybody. The caring of it all and what that company's going through. I also went to a McQueen Recy, which the tailoring from McQueen, I know, but it looked amazing in person because it's I mean, it's good. It's it's tailoring house. But I think like there's just so everything is a question mark at caring.

43:44And so, yes, you know, best of luck to everybody involved. And the Gucci is all going to be the best version of itself. Right. Like I got a Jackie. I don't even you know, we just said we don't really like bags. I love my little red slouchy Jackie more than anything. So yeah, I do think he's really he's such a good product designer, too, in that sense that like it's all going to be good. Yeah. Yeah. I think the the challenge is no matter what he does, he's a bit cynical. That's just who he is. Like you look at Balenciaga. He's just cynical. He's just a cynical designer. I don't think it's on purpose.

44:21It's just what comes out. And I don't I respect it. I think it's interesting. Gucci's not a cynical brand. And so that is it's tricky. It's just tricky. And and I thought, look, like is every time better? Yes. Does it make you feel good when you see it on the runway? Not always because he's not a feel good designer. But like if it's working in store, then none of that matters. And it's still at least making us think. Like, does this feel a bit like remember when Hedy did the first Celine collection and we were all my God, like very stressed out? And then the second runway show was that like a beautiful collection and we all left like jumping up and down.

45:04Does this feel like that? Like the next season now he's going to be settled in? No, I don't think so. But yes, I was just talking about Hedy today because there's all these very funny things about him on the Internet right now. And I was thinking about because all I wanted was like bourgeoisie Hedy. And then the first collection was just like the Saint Laurent revenge collection. And I was like, no. And then the second collection, you were like, this is what I wanted. I wanted like a 70s jacket and high waisted jeans. Thank you. So I don't think so. I think that Demna is Demna and that is the end of it.

45:46And as long as it sells in the stores, that will be fine. And we'll see. I don't know. I mean, there is a lot going on at Caring right now. And I don't know. I just don't know what the future holds. But, you know, it's great to have a conversation. At least it's a conversation. Whereas with Sabato, like, what were we going to say? yeah okay okay moving on armani um did you go to emporio went to emporio and i was actually laughing with green because i was like i actually really like all this um obviously it looked like it was a lot of white looks clean slate waiting for dario i obviously as dario's number one fan i'm so excited to see what's gonna So I think we're just kind of in this holding pattern, but it's the most exciting thing that's happened for us to look forward to, at least for the next season.

46:45Yes, I would say Emporia Armani was fine. I was very happy for Anushka, who was like standing, who was the head of their comms, who was standing in the center and just like everybody was going to kiss the ring. And everyone just was like, I'm so happy for you. Except I actually like those clothes. The clothes were good. If you stopped and looked at them, you're like, oh, yeah, this is like the classic Armani stuff you want to have. I don't think anyone wants to have it. No one cares. Obviously, no one cares this season, but I'm telling you they were good. That's the only person who looked at the clothes.

47:19Yeah, I looked at the beaded. I would say from Giorgio. And I wrote about this a bit on Monday. I think the challenge is, look, like he's Dario's doing the accessories for Georgi Armani. Silvana is going to keep designing it. And then Dario's going to do Emporio. For now. For now. This is the understanding is like eventually he will do all of it in a succession, a natural succession plan and give this give this woman her flowers. She's worked her ass off for years. what I will say is on Sunday it really felt like there needed to be progression I during the week we had all been talking like maybe it'll be two years my assumption is the minute they sell it which they're working on more now it will he will get it and I mean I I think like it it felt to me like okay this actually needs to happen more quickly because the thing was when Armani is the same every single season when it was Armani, Giorgio Armani doing that.

48:29There's a level of understanding that a, this isn't a fashion brand, like it's a style brand. And if it's the same every single season, that is fine. Like, and also it, it did kind of come back in the, in the air. So we all sort of appreciate it. I think now people are going to be impatient, especially when they see now it's going to be interesting. Like that's, that's interesting yeah it's gonna be interesting like if he's doing accessories and maybe has a hand to the styling like maybe they don't need to accelerate but i think it was interesting marco bizari who's on the board who was at gucci with alessandro who i have no doubt had it had a role in dario getting that job like he i saw him in the second row there was like a lot of it's it's gonna happen it's gonna happen fast i also would say like i just think that the latest armani campaigns have been awesome they've been so good and so it's just gonna happen fast and it's an interesting i was talking to someone who works with you know italy and fashion and all that stuff at the armani show and they were saying that like it's just the whole industry there is changing right now.

49:45It's such a moment. And Armani's sort of the sort of core example of it. I also want to say that I went to Dolce and Dolce was great. I thought it was really good. It felt more of this time, like it was like almost Chanel-ified Dolce with a lot more. It felt, whereas Dolce is always kind of stuck in the past, it felt a little more in the mix of what's happening in the fashion conversation. And I thought it was fun. They have a lot of a lot of work to do too but um that's another brand that i think is just ripe for for being huge again i am wondering what's going on there because this summer we talked about this a bit this summer that they do this summer print capsule every summer and this summer's was especially good it has not been good in like a decade and this summer was really good uh so i feel like something's happening there yeah they have a new ceo they have this sort of they're working out the financing but they have Stefano Cantino, who was the CEO of Gucci and then worked at Weetan and worked at Prada for a long time and has it.

50:52His experiences at Weetan, he was head of comms and image at Prada. He did a bunch of different jobs. Obviously, he was at Gucci during the hell years and I'm sure learned a lot from his short time there. So I think he has a good sense. I think that Dolce and Gabbana, the men are, you know, they understand their place in the business and what they need to do. And there's a lot of work to be done. But I also think, as you know, this is someone who styles people, prominent figures in the world. Dolce and Gabbana clothes fit really well and are beautiful and people collect them. And so if you can kind of take that essence and bring it back there's there's just a lot of brands in italy that have not been screwed up that are that have a lot of potential and that is one of them and and i enjoy i really enjoyed the show it was the first time i had been to one of their shows in a long time other than the men's which was also awesome um during the summer but that i was like oh i have something to write about because usually you go and i'm like i don't all i have to write about is kylie jenner or whatever being late.

52:07Like there's nothing to say. It's literally the same thing every single year. And this time I was like, oh, they really worked to, it felt Dolce, but it felt like a step further. And that was exciting.

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53:55What did we miss, Bottega? It's a tough one for me. the clothes are really big yeah yeah i mean i think here is the answer if you look at ferragamo which which was it was great about that i loved ferragamo it was so good it looked like yves saint laurent yes light or as i said yves saint laurent zero because it was like like Coke Zero, but almost as good as the real thing. Totally. But like easier to put on. Totally. I love it. The shoes were great. He's a really good designer. The business is doing well. And I was thinking about it in the context of Bottega, which like. I actually think Max, the designer of Ferragamo, has many of his own ideas why this looked so much like Saint Laurent.

54:50I don't know. Styling. Never know the styling or I mean the pieces, though. I mean, the shoes, like everything, the shiny coats, the materials, everything, everything. The thing I will say is like, who knows why that happened? Like, was it a directive? What this guy is a is a real talent and that is unequivocal. And he made that look amazing, even though I didn't like see any of him in it. Whereas prior to that, the collections weren't strong, but you could see him in them. I mean, listen, I can use a lot of those clothes for a lot of different ladies. I loved it. Loved it. Exactly. I was thinking like I would wear this dress.

55:28I would wear that dress. Then you think about Bottega, which is not as blatant of a comparison, but the biggest criticism against Louise Trotter for her entire career. And look, you can look at Bottega and there's a heaviness and she's definitely lightened it up. First couple scenes felt too heavy. But the biggest sort of criticism of her is that she doesn't have her own vision. It's all other people's ideas. And now at Bottega, it's other people's ideas. And then this like idea of craft kind of overtaking what she's doing. And I thought, look, like, number one good thing was that the lighting made the photos great.

56:17So the, and, and this is stuff that like not every brand thinks about or, or does the opposite, but I think it helped her because the photos I took at Bottega were way better than the photos I took at even Prada or which also had good lighting or Jill or whatever. Like the, they looked amazing because of the way it was lit. And honestly, these brands need to think about that sometimes. So good on them on that. There were also, I think, a couple looks. There was a pastel look that was like purple and yellow and pink. It was really pretty. It was really pretty. And a friend of mine had, I went to a dinner for Carlos Nazario, who styled the Ferragamo show.

57:04And someone had a Bottega shirt on and it looked it was chic and cool and all that unfortunately i still don't see her i see now i see michael rider i see phoebe obviously i see all these other people and i see bottega as a leather goods house i don't see who this person is or a sense of and and i think the only thing I can think of is that she needs a really strong collaborator because she does I don't think she's working with Suzanne Kohler anymore because that seemed to get too they were too wrapped up in each other but I think that is the only thing that's going to make it work because she is by all accounts incredibly gracious lovely to work with wants to do a good job wants it to work has a high taste level, all of these things, it needs to be a step further.

58:06And I was thinking about like, if they had just like a cool designer in there, the handbags and the shoes at Bottega take care of themselves. Like Mattu did not create the Andiamo or whatever it's called. Right. I am looking at it now again for the third time. Yeah. The men's looks good. The women's continues to just not fit. If you shrunk some of these clothes a bit, I mean, these women are six feet tall. They could be pretty clothes, but the clothes continue to not fit the model. And therefore, it makes it really hard to take it off and put it on someone who's 5 '5". So it's just like I'm looking.

58:49The men's looks lovely because the clothes fit the men. So I just think like this could work. You just need to fix the shoulders and fix the wits. And it's just it's all too big. Yeah, I think that that is the easiest. I mean, that's the thing. That's the direct answer, obviously. Deeper than that. But like, I really think that could help a lot. The thing I will say is everybody wants her to succeed. Yes, I want I want more women involved. You know, like I want her to succeed. And especially by all accounts, very nice women who want to do a good job. Totally. Which like. So, yeah, I mean, it's like caring is a very interesting situation right now.

59:37Yeah. There is a world in which they just have completely new creative directors at every single caring brand in two years. That's wild. And I think that's it is going to get close to that. I think Louise honestly is in the best position of all of them in this crazy way, even though I would argue that that may be it should be the opposite, maybe. but like I do think I don't know it's just it's gonna be a time of transformation and very exciting and I hope she can find the right person to pull her out of it and make her make it stronger and the thing is like you're talking about the clothes she wears her clothes big like that's definitely a personal style thing and she looks great and she's very petite I wear clothes big too but like something about the way that these are translating on the runway is big and messy and like it just needs to be tightened up and then these like I'm looking at these clothes and they are beautiful clothes and I can see them working a size smaller yes and the thing I will also say is that with Mattu because I did buy some of that Bottega stuff and it was it did not always translate to retail.

1:00:59No. In the way it doesn't all have to. No. But she does sportswear really well. So I feel like she should lean into that. Like obviously her Joseph was great. Her Lacoste was great. Not that anyone was ever able to buy it. But like she has the ability to do awesome sportswear. So I think it's just. Yeah. And there were some really great shoes I thought. Yeah. The shoes are beautiful. The shoes are really good. Okay. So I think that are we done with that did we get everybody is there anyone we didn't talk about that we need to discuss okay what did you buy i bought a lot actually i shop more in milan than i do in paris it's just more my personal style i bought i bought an outfit at prada i bought as we all know now the little cotton bra top and i bought the matching um two layers of skirt the black sheer and the the white cotton poplin.

1:01:56And I got the re-edition rosette slingback, which I love so much and will probably wear very, very infrequently given how high they are. I'm very happy for you. Did you buy anything at Prada? No, I didn't go in. I'm going to wait till next season because I'm definitely going to get a skirt. Oh, yes, that's more you. I'm definitely going to get shoes. I will say after seeing this show, which I loved the show we just saw, it solidified my need for the fall. I was like, oh no, I really need these pieces now. And then I also shopped at Jill a little bit. You know, those work boots that they have in black and suede.

1:02:33I bought those in the black and some ready. I went in just for the boots and I came out with the boots and a skirt and a blazer. On the Jill pricing narrative, you feel like the pricing is better in Europe. The pricing is better in Europe and you get the D tax. it's definitely better. I like, I compared by like, I would say like for a blazer, you're going to save at least like$500. And then you have the detox. So you're going to save quite a bit. And the blazers are just so good, but the pricing in America on the Jill stuff is so insane that it's prohibitive. Yes. Yeah. I need to look, I might get a skirt, but I'm definitely going to get the yellow skirt next season.

1:03:21and maybe the, I might get that whole look. Oh, with the yellow skirt and the silky top? Yeah, I really love it. Ooh, fab. I love that for you. It's really good. I would not wear it with gray tights. It's too far. I mean, the colored tights are hard when you're 40 plus. I tried them with like black and it looked weird. I was like, I'm not, I think it's happening. We're going to have to wear them. You are going to have to do a piece about how to style them. I will tackle this challenge. But I do think that's an interesting thing about this skirt becoming more popular. And I wrote about it this weekend and I will continue to write about it all winter.

1:04:01But that they can be hard to style. So it'll be interesting, especially as it gets cold. Because the boot proposition is very specific. Yes. Yeah, I think the only thing I've bought this season so far is boots from Phoebe Philo. over knee the boot to wear with skirts. Yes. And I also tall boot. Yes. Or stirrup pants. I bought a pair of skinny navy wool pants that I wore them with to Bottega and a big shirt. That's wait. What navy pants? We actually can't talk about them on the podcast because it was from a secret place. Oh, amazing. That I'll tell you about that no one has ever written about. And I was invited as a consumer, not as a journalist.

1:04:54Great. Oh, my God. I can't wait. Someone will. I mean, this is a how to spend it story if I ever heard one. But yeah, I bought like a pair of and I expressly to wear with the Phoebe boots. But I think that I also have a pair of Saint Laurent really skinny jeans that I bought at the outlet that I'll probably just wear them. Like I'm going to have to buy skinny jeans to wear because these boots are amazing and I can't just wear skirts all the time. It's going to be an interesting winter because those are very specific boots and it's very easy for the knee high boot to become very basic B. And so it's like finding the right boots that don't translate that.

1:05:34You have to dress around. Well, these boots, I saw Samira bought I bought them also. Samira, the editor of Harper's Bizarro's incredible personal style. She wore them with a long, like a midi skirt. And it felt very like the way I dressed at the end of the two. She's an icon. She's cooler than me. Like I just, I can't, I have to wear them with a pencil skirt or with skinny jeans. Like I'm not going to be able to do a midi skirt. Maybe, but you need like a little tiny blazer. i have i think i might i think we could do this of for for you for the if we could do a baggier skirt if you did like a really shrunken fitted blazer you know i have a um a yoji fitted blazer that's very cute oh yeah but i think try that i don't know i do have i you know i didn't my i have this amazing midi skirt from the row from like 10 or 15 years ago that i left in LA though.

1:06:38We'll talk about it. Anyway, Becky, best meal of the, of the week. What was it for you? Oh my God. I don't know. You start. I can't even, I don't remember food like this. I had the most amazing food the entire week. All I did was eat. Okay. Tell me, you tell me, you tell me. My favorite thing was at Torre, the Prada restaurant in the Prada Foundation. wait why did you go there without me you were gone already oh okay i went there on friday night and i had so they have this risotto with raw shrimp that's like smoked incredible they had it with popper dell popper deli how do you pronounce it yeah popper dell popper dell instead it was like a special and honestly it was one of the best dishes i love anything smoked.

1:07:28And then on Sunday at Sandy, my favorite restaurant that I love. It's so good. It is poor people who own it, though. I'm like, I'm coming. I'm sorry, but I'm bringing someone I had only booked for one. I was like, and also I'm bringing my 30 kilograms back. They're just like this crazy American lady. I feel bad. They're very nice to me. But I had there I had an incredible tagliatelle pasta with smoked eel and cabbage that was incredible it was so good like i just had the best food this week i was so happy when i got home the only thing i would say is like most of the desserts i had were not good but the food itself it was like the best eating week because i've stopped going to these stupid fashion places that like don't actually have good food i'm only going to good restaurants now and i feel it was just such a wonderful week the weather was beautiful the clothes were good the shopping was great the food was amazing i'm very pleased also i had great wine at the prada restaurant too like it was just a really that restaurant is so good it's so good it's so beautiful too you know the other thing we have to talk about is that the food is so good and it's like nine euro yes it's like when we it's so shocking yeah we went with federica salto another wonderful newsletter writer who's based in Italy and her friend and we had a normal, I was like, can we just go to a normal restaurant?

1:08:57It was so good. It was so good. And it was 44 years a person. And we had a bottle of wine too. We had so many courses, so much wine and they were like, God, this is expensive. And I'm like, oh my God, this is a quarter of what it would cost at home. I know. It was so good. We had a great time. Thank you, Federica, for organizing that because it was much needed. Becky, I'm looking forward to the meals we're going to have in Paris. I can't wait. I'll see you in two days. I can't wait. You have a good time with your family. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Talk soon. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck.

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Lauren’s guest is writer and stylist Becky Malinsky, author of the incredibly popular newsletter, 5 Things You Should Buy. They run through the most important shows of Milan Fashion Week: Prada, Jil Sander, Marni, Gucci, Moschino, Dolce & Gabbana, Salvatore Ferragamo, Bottega Veneta, and Emporio and Giorgio Armani. They also discuss where they shopped and what they ate. As well as the terrible traffic in Milan. And also the Vogue World robots.

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