Fashion in Pop Culture: Venice Film Festival, U.S. Open, Oasis in Pasadena Edition

0:04Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo memo, line cheat. And today with me on the show is Amanda Dobbins, host of the Ringer's Jam Session and the Big Picture. We're talking fashion on and off the screen at the Venice Film Festival, the best dressed players on and off the court at the US Open, Liam Gallagher's jackets, and so much more. Happy Tuesday, everyone. Hope you had a great weekend. I am back in New York for a short trip, fashion shows, events, et cetera. Tonight, I'm actually recording a live session of fashion people. It's about the state of resale with The Real Real and some friends of the pod, including Marissa Meltzer.

0:50You all know her, Erica Verrink. I think I should have her on actually one-on-one very soon. Our very own Sarah Shapiro and The Real Real's Kristen Naiman. so that's happening at the WSA building at 5 p.m. tonight if you are stopping by please say hello then I'm hosting another event on Thursday a dinner with Starbucks at Chateau Royale this new restaurant in the West Village so just a little context Starbucks has this whole new executive team they have a new chief brand officer and I think you're gonna see them showing up like this in a lot of interesting places, events, fashion related events, serving espresso martinis and good stuff like that.

1:36I will be drinking one. Obviously I love, I love martini too at the most. I will have more on that later this week or next or whenever I have time to talk about it, but because as always, there is so much going on. It's New York fashion week. It's September. I don't know where to start. It'll all be online. She and let's get going with Amanda. This is a fun one.

2:02Amanda Dobbins, welcome back to Fashion People. Hello, Lauren. Thank you for having me. It's been so long, a whole 12 hours. Well, since I've seen you, Fashion People itself, it's been longer. That is true. That is true. I'm a devoted listener, though. So for me, you know, it's just coming home. I appreciate it. I feel like we do catch up on each other's respective podcasts, And sometimes I'm like, did Amanda tell me that in real life or did I just hear it on her podcast? But you have been gone from our home of Los Angeles for an entire month. Yes, I've been on the road. The tables have turned.

2:41It's normally you on the road and me sitting here podcasting. and I took August off. I had some parental leave that I then blended into a work trip to the Venice Film Festival. So it was fun. It's also very nice to be back. I'm so happy you're back and now I have to leave. But we did get to go to Oasis last night. We did. Really quickly. How did you feel? about oasis yes and then we need to talk about one fashion item okay i had a great time i did not attend the eras tour nor have i ever seen beyonce in concert which i'm uh embarrassed to say out loud i would like to see her it's just that tickets have been a real hurdle uh you secured the oasis tickets for us so this is the one that i was able to attend but it did feel like a similar generational Disneyland moment for people of our generation.

3:48It's true. It felt I also have never been to any concert at a stadium. So I was like, wow, this is such a communal, amazing experience. It was it was great. But it did feel I kept remarking to you about the graphics on the screen. I liked them. They were amazing. But also, it was like a scrapbook of our lives for the past 30 years. And I was kind of like, oh, my God. It was really fun. I'm glad we went. And you and I, you saw one person you know, right? I didn't run into anyone I know specifically. Though apparently another friend of mine was also in our section. But I didn't get to see, I didn't see him.

4:33We, we put it together today. Yeah. And, and our friend Molly ran into many of her friends, which was very exciting. Afterwards, I was like, I saw every person posting a lot of people I know had floor seats, which I don't know if that means if those are, are those really expensive? I think that they are expensive and they're harder to get to. And it's also a level of commitment that I, we, we weren't going to be in the mosh pit and that's fine to know about ourselves. We were there for the vibe. But I respect everyone who was there. I believe my friend Yasi Salek and your friend as well was on the floor.

5:10Yeah, that tracks. I was happy that we were in chairs so we could kind of sit for a couple of weeks. We took a break during Noel's like 15 minute solo set. I was not because I was thinking about my experience with Oasis. And I I remember I was very into British culture in the 90s, like many people were. And I loved British Vogue. I was a huge British Vogue person. High Street, H &M, that's where I learned about all that stuff. And I liked them. I had definitely maybe, but I wasn't super into them. And I haven't been following their trials and tribulations as humans so closely, Especially not living in the UK when they're probably on the cover of a magazine every other week still.

5:58But you could really feel the emotion in Noel's performance. Yeah, no, he was glad to have his moment. And also, I think, to be making his dollars, you know, because of recent life changes. I'm just speculating. Yes. So I wanted to briefly speak about Liam's outfit. Oh, yeah. And his look. Sure. First of all, the leather covered. Morocco, maracas, is that what the I I believe if they're if they're a more specialized percussion instrument, they are related. They're in the maraca family. How about that? It's just it's a real choice, as you would say. And I was just taken with his whole thing. And then he had the tambourine and the maracas together.

6:46but his look and afterwards we were walking out and our husbands went Molly Creed and our friend your husband and my husband all went together for reasons we don't want to get into here it could be an hour-long podcast everyone everyone had a nice night everyone had a great time we reunited at the end yes it was very sweet my my friend our friend Pam was there too and we all like met our husbands and hugged them and she was just kind of like looking at her phone It felt like New Year's, like the New Year's Eve or something. We were all like, ah. But we were talking about what was Noel wearing.

7:24I mean, what was Liam wearing? Sorry, definitely Liam. And he is a Stone Island ambassador. So I was like, oh, it must be Stone Island. And your husband, Zach, said, no, it was probably CP Company, which is the same founder, parent company. I don't know if CP Company is actually owned by Montclair, the Stone Islanders. Anyway, in the end, Zach was able to source it. Yes. It was YMC, which is a brand I have not thought of. It's such a London, East London brand. What do you think about Liam's uniform of this sort of like jacket that's almost a poncho and just like a lot of fabric? A lot of fabric then into the very specific aviator-esque sunglasses.

8:16I'm sure that they cost thousands of dollars and someone can ID them. And then the bucket hat for the final few songs. um no one is cooler than liam gallagher to me and no one has been cooler than liam gallagher for what 40 years now and um i i loved the look i would like to think that i could pull off that coat i asked my husband about it and he was like yeah it's long sold out like good luck amanda um i had some questions it was quite warm here in los angeles and in pasadena and it is a long sleeved um voluminous uh windbreaker-esque jacket so i you know we were speculating about like cooling mechanisms that might be happening whether there are multiple jackets throughout the course of an evening i would like to know how many of the coats he owns that is like taking on tour you know it's a good story for gq to write actually i think so as well Um, but no, I thought he looked amazing.

9:19And, you know, as, as is Oasis tradition, the comparison between Liam and Noel, who's just showing his age. And Liam is in his own way. Like, like, let's be real. This was like old people Woodstock, right? Like, we, I was thinking about being 10 listening to What's the Story Morning Glory, which was a long time ago. So we're all it's a privilege to age, as they say, and we're all doing it together. But Liam has has the style down a bit more than Noel does. Yeah. And he covered himself up more, which I think helped. I would say there had to be some sort of air conditioner because Noel, who was more exposed, was not sweating like crazy.

10:07OK, so like an air conditioner, like up on the stage. Something, something in there because there was no wind. They weren't like nothing was blowing on them, but they they had to have something because if. If it was hot up there, I guarantee that Noel would have been sweating profusely and he was not. He looked a little dewy, but he was he looked they both looked extremely calm and relaxed, especially because they had a car waiting for them. If anything, a bit perfunctory because, you know, the set list is like well publicized, but they played some of the definitely maybe what's the story stuff at the beginning.

10:46Then like, you know, wandered through like Noel's personal wilderness. And then literally like the last three songs were in order. Don't look back at anger, Wonderwall, a champion supernova. They just saved it. And then they're like, goodbye. And you could see the car waiting. Then like it was very well, I wonder if Liam and Noel share a car or whether that was Liam's car waiting and no as noel was like waving goodbye and then his car showed up but yeah they um they i i thought they sounded great and i had an amazing time but it was also like this is a this is a uh a nice business transaction that we're all having yes well what i realized is there may not be a time when I go to a concert that isn't a show that is a band I liked and that's not a band I liked in high school.

11:39Like, I feel like from now on, there may be, I might discover a couple new bands. I probably go to like three or four shows a year. So it's not, which is more than I do. Honestly, it's I, you know, I'm very into Waxahachie. She's probably 10, 15 years younger than me. So that makes me feel quite young. I know all of her songs and have gone to see her a few times. And I went to a Waxahachie concert once ran into younger colleagues of mine who upon seeing me said, and I quote, what are you doing here? So that was a reality check. Was it the one at the church? No, it was somewhere. It was pre-pandemic.

12:22I was supposed to go to one at a church and I think I got COVID or something. Anyway, it was a lot to reflect on, lots of style. And it did make me think that those kinds of stadium concerts, I will now consider going to them more because it was super fun. It was fun. And it is very different than going to see a small club show, Waxahachie, whatever. Everyone was wearing their Oasis merch. There were many bucket hats, not as many bucket hats in the beginning as we expected, but people, it did have sort of like, I don't really go to festivals, but a festival feel or like a holiday feel. It was like, oh, here we're all together.

13:05And that was really nice. Yeah. I feel like obviously we are not in New York, but it feels like the U S open has a similar feel this year. I just got off the phone with a friend in New York and he's not going, but we were talking about the fact that like, when I lived there, I'm not a big tennis person. I was invited a few I'm every year. I'm invited by like at least one brand, which is very nice. I've never said yes. And now, because I don't live here, but previously to be honest, I was like, I can't deal with this. It's like really far. it's hot and gross at that time of year in New York. I think now tennis has become such a big part of pop culture of what's left of pop culture.

13:51And there is a communal feeling to it. Everybody watches it all weekend. The, the tennis players are becoming like real serious stars. Everyone dresses up. There's a little red carpet thing that they do as a tennis fan. How do you feel about it like being on the main stage as a tennis fan I feel really upset that you've never accepted an invitation to the U.S. Open I have accepted and taken like brands who are listening we will come to you know we'll come next year let's go okay I mean I might have to work it around the Venice Film Festival because this is this is probably I'm I have done all my Instagram research but this is sadly the least amount of tennis that I have of a major tournament that I've watched because I was in Italy and it just didn't even though there were many Italians late into the stages of the tournament we're recording as the men's final is being played so I don't know whether Yannick Sinner won but um he's Italian maybe we can book something where on your way back yeah your family meet you in New York.

14:59Oh, that's a great. We go as a family to New York and then we can go. That sounds wonderful. I feel like a brand would get so much content. Right. I was invited by a few people. And also let's just talk about the fact that Dylan Byers is sitting front row at the men's right now. Wow. Good for him. Yeah. Congrats to Dylan. I will find out. He's a tennis fan, right? He's a big tennis fan. I did get a screenshot from another reporter from another publication saying, oh, my God, Dylan is sitting courtside at the Open. He looks really dashing. He's wearing a white shirt and a navy blazer and a pocket square.

15:38And we believe I believe he is sitting next to a TV personality called journalist called Stephanie Rule. OK, pretty famous. So I don't know if he's there with her. I have no idea, but I'll find out. It is nice that the U.S. Open is getting some of like the Wimbledon glam, you know, in terms of there's not a royal box, but there are now boxes and you're looking for the celebrities. I mean, to some extent, it's it has been that way. When I lived in New York, we went to the U.S. Open every year. The first birthday present my husband ever gave me was actually tickets to the to the men's semis at the U.S.

16:15Open, which which I don't know if this is still the case. But in my day, that was the best bang for your buck because you got all you got both matches on a Friday. So and that was in like that was in the Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray era. So it was really it was great. But, you know, there would be the version of like the Coldplay cam, but not exposing anyone of an affair and all of that. And celebrities would come out. So I guess some of it has just been sort of. Social, you know, social media optimized. But I don't remember Vogue doing as many slideshows as it did this year. It feels like more celebrities are going.

16:53I was just talking to someone that said that celebrities are also asking for more tickets. So that is creating a different dynamic of who gets to go and who doesn't. Like when editors get to go, when the brands invite editors, maybe they'll invite them midway through instead of for the finals. Who have been some of your favorite looks on and off the court? so on the court I have two answers for you so I mean Venus Williams wearing custom Kate wearing custom Luar am I saying it correctly I mean I just you know she is um a living legend and looks amazing and I would say the best of what I thought was otherwise a print and again I've you know been dipping in and out i haven't seen a ton of these in motion the nike offerings were to me this this year i did i didn't love all of the colors um especially that i think uh naoma's there's too much purple i'm not a purple person i liked arena sabalinka's silver jacket and i i i don't know whether it's popular to say when she defeated an american also named amanda but like I'm kind of an arena fan.

18:08So I was happy about that. And then are you familiar with another Italian? Did this cross your radar Lorenzo Musetti? You know, it did because he was wearing a black Bottega jacket on on the court. Yeah. And this is like, when you're thinking about like, like an Italian tennis player, and you have a possibly stereotypical dreamboat image in your head. That's, that's Lorenzo Buzetti. Yeah. So that's fabulous. Congrats to Bottega. Good job, Jenny Kim. That was powerful stuff. I thought, um, also on the court, I just, to Ralph Lauren, the brands, while we're speaking to brands on fashion people, please release children's sizes of your ball boy clothes because they are amazing.

18:59And my three-year-old now plays ball boy and is like, I want to wear that. I want to wear that. I want to wear that. I would spend a tremendous amount of money. Lauren Astry and Ryan Lally, I know you're listening. Ryan's not listening, but Lauren might be. Get on this. It's very smart. I'm surprised they haven't done it. I, you know, I looked and I couldn't find anything. And maybe that was because I think they do some of the Wimbledon stuff as well. Yes. And so maybe it maybe I search for Wimbledon and And anyway, it's just that seems like a rich opportunity for them. And I think all of the ball kids look great.

19:37I agree. I think that the ball, it's like the best. It's the best thing. I mean, they do the Olympics costumes, too, but costumes, uniforms. Well, sure. But this, I agree. I think that their whole relationship to tennis, having the celebrities all wearing Ralph Lauren in the box at Wimbledon, like it's just it all really works. And it's very, very smart. Tina Lackanen, owner of Tina, the late great Tina, the store in Amagansett. Yes. Actually did for Line Sheet on Monday, her top three in men's and women's of what she loved. And she actually loved the Naomi Osaka. I agree. I'm not a purple person.

20:17I thought it came in a couple of colors. So yes, I thought the thing that Tina said, and I don't think Tina in her life is a purple person either. But she said, look, it's it looks like her and it's very her. And that's why she loved it. Fair. She also loved it. I agree. Alcaraz, I think. And the colors that pink and the Bordeaux, those are not colors I like. It's like very mauve, mauve ish. And that's like not my world. I thought he looked fabulous. I love the shaved head. He did. I do also. I really like the buzz cut. And, and Koko Goff is just obvious, very obvious. Like, of course she's my favorite, but the thing that I will say that was really interesting and you meant mentioning it's Musetti.

21:04I mean, again, I'm not Italian. I was just there for eight days. That sounds, it sounds right. Wearing Bottega, which I think is really smart. There was a lot of Y3, but the one that I, that someone messaged me yesterday about, I ended up doing a little item on is sinner in that's his, it's Yannick Sinner, right? So in wearing all the Gucci gear and the Gucci gear looks so good. And this person was like, this makes me excited for Demna. And of course, sure, it's just like a white duffel bag, but it looked really sharp and cool. And he just looks, he looks so good. I sent you a screenshot of Anna Wintour.

21:42Yes. Smiley eyed at him. He looks amazing. And I think it's a, it really is a good indication that Demna, I have a really good feeling about Demna Gucci. There's a lot of good energy towards him right now. And that made me excited. And I think these brands are really smart. The, the stylist for Venus Williams was this guy, Ronald Burton, the third who styled Venus Williams for the, the tournament. I feel like the comp, whatever it's the competition, whatever it's called. But I think like doing custom, I just think these designers are starting to get a sense of what makes sense and what doesn't.

22:23And it's also been really fun. The thing that I've loved the most from the audience is not other than seeing Dylan, seeing the sort of adjacency to the famous people. So Mary Kate Olsen, one of the designers of the row was there. She was sitting with Sarah Moonbez, the editor in chief of W, which I just like that really reads like deep power to me. Yeah. That that's who she chose to go with. I'm sure they're old friends. They probably grew up together. They're both from L.A. But it was like Mary Kate never goes out in public. And she's just like sitting there with Sarah. There was also a moment.

23:06Emma Roberts was there and her business partner, Kara Price, who I bet you've met. She's friends with our friends, Claire and Erica, but she was in a lot of the pictures with Jeremy Allen White and who I thought looked great. I thought he looked really cute. And then you like that other guy, right? From which other guy? Eben Moss Bacharach. Oh, yeah. Excuse me. Put some respect on Richie's name. OK, like that's fine. You guys can all yes, Jeff it. And I am. look i i we could talk offline about my feelings about both of those men and also that show i think jeremy allen white is extremely cute i do oh so do i he's adorable and ebben moss background is but i have my feelings about that show are very complicated it is also that jeremy allen white is starting his award season run for the springsteen movie which debuted at telluride last weekend so it's like yeah he like he has everything locked down and he is he he looked was he wearing calvin klein maybe he's been wearing a lot of double dent he looked really good there right but i was like oh like the styling the award season styling has started yes 100 jamie mizrahi is his stylist they're gonna be in it really quickly and then we can move to the, to the film festival extravaganza and the fashion at those.

24:32But yeah. So Kara was like in the pictures of Jeremy Allen, white and Evan Moss, back her out. She's like in all of them. They like, couldn't cut her out of them. And it just was so funny. And I just thought it's such an interesting, like soft power to be the person with the celebrity in one of those boxes. And I I just enjoyed the whole thing. And or mortifying, you know, like I think I would prefer just to like have the nice tickets and not have to be in the photographs. But that's me. That's that's my definition of power is good seats, no photos. But but the thing is, at this point, Amanda, someone may be taking photos of you and being like, Amanda Dobbins is at the I really, really hope not.

25:16Oh, there's there's so much our fractured culture. I know.

25:45Shopeify Thiessen

25:57So speaking of the film festival clothing circuit, because Jeremy Allen also looked good at Telluride. Sure. I have to say. It's easier there. You know, everyone's just wearing their Carhartt. It's not sweaty. And wandering around. And there aren't red carpets. I mean, not on the level of Venice. I started listening to your recap with your big picture co-host Sean Fennessey. Yes. You two going to these festivals and he went to Telluride and you went to Venice. I have to say Telluride sounds far more appealing to me. Listen, some people are mountain people and some people are Negronian ocean people.

26:38It's true. And the key to life is knowing what you are. I 100 % agree. Also, you you have more patience than one may expect. And you had a lot of patience for these boat rides, which I would have been like, I'm going to kill everyone. I do not have patience. And I definitely almost got arrested, which like I interacted with many officious Italian security guards and polizia in in ways that I'm not proud of. But they don't make it easy. You know, so you should have our friend Yasi Salik of Bands Plan was with me at the festival and is the reason that I am free and back in the United States today.

27:22Thank God. Thank G.O.D. or G-D whatever you want. But it was, you know, there is the festival that you see on Instagram and on, you know, in recaps and that we're going to talk about here, which is like incredibly glamorous and starts at it. And the festival is on the Lido right on the ocean. And, you know, at the end, they play for they they like celebrities. They like Hollywood. They want as they want that attention. So that's very fun. And then there is the experience of being a journalist there trying to see as many movies as possible, which is getting rained on and begging for, you know, and it's a privilege.

28:02But I did spend a lot of time in lines or on Vaporetto, Vaporettos, which are Venetian water buses. Wow. Yeah. At some point, we need to break down. I need to know what your wardrobe was for the whole time. I saw some great photos. Thank you so much. I wore every single thing in my suitcase. I was very proud of myself. I'm proud of you. That's great. That's efficient. Okay. So let's talk a bit. You saw one film in particular that will be interesting to the fashion people audience, but I want to talk about the red carpet. You're a big Jonathan Anderson fan, I would say, or you follow very closely.

28:41I mean, I'm a citizen of the world, so aren't we all? True. True. So what did you what were the what was the red carpet like? You saw a lot of the Dior. You saw you saw a lot of these people up close. You saw Emily Blunt's new face. I just that I was seated far back from her and she her lips are well pronounced at this point in her life. And I noticed it from several rows back. So I saw some people up close and some people didn't. I went to some premieres. And even then, when I'm at a premiere, I am like behind the red carpet. so so you you do get pretty close to people and that is really interesting in terms of like seeing a photograph and seeing these looks that are designed to be photographed on the red carpet versus what they look like in person and sometimes it does kind of look like some things safety pin together and in person but that's not the point the point is the photograph so i saw some in person.

29:42I saw some just, you know, from photographs from, you know, while waiting in line. I saw Greta Lee a couple times up close and she had two films at the festival. So she obviously photographs really well and is very beautiful. The dress that she wore to the House of Dynamite premiere which is the new katherine bigelow film and that was dior and it was you know black satin draped but it looked like a big it looked like she was wearing a big boat yes exactly yes um and like in person she looked very beautiful but i was like primarily concerned for how much tape she had on and how she was and and really just genuinely impressed at how she was navigating wearing this dress the photos and especially like i know jonathan anderson shared you know like a short video of her running on the red carpet and heels in it and looking so great.