Grammys Fashion and Sydney Sweeney’s Bra Job

0:04Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Fox Fashion and Beauty Memo. Line Sheet. And today with me on the show is Yossi Solek, host of Bandsplain and author of Fast and Loose. We're talking Grammy's fashion, the future of Elias, Sydney Sweeney's lingerie launch, and so much more.

0:25Happy Tuesday, everyone. I am in Los Angeles this week. I'm trying to not do much and just enjoy this weather. In Monday's Line Sheet, I get into the Epstein files. I spent way too much time on Sunday looking through them. I'm sure I didn't find everything you want me to find. Message me. I'll try to find more stuff. Just send requests. Anyway, I did attempt to dissect a very peculiar email about Victoria's Secret mastermind Les Wexner written by Epstein, sent to Epstein, sort of like writing notes to himself before the notes app exists. I guess the notes app existed in 2014 when this email happened.

1:03I don't really remember. The notes app is my life. So I don't know what I would do without it. Anyway, as you may know, I co-wrote a book about Victoria's Secret with Chantal Fernandez, who was on the show last week. The book is called Selling Sexy, Victoria's Secret, and the Unraveling of an American Icon. And it covered their relationship pretty in depth. But if you want to know more, read more online sheet. Sign up. you know it's not that expensive do it uh i also address a very odd but perhaps not unfounded rumor about sabado de sarno potentially joining ferragamo i don't know if it's true i know that he interviewed there within the last year for what i don't know that's all i know for sure um i reached out to ferragamo they did not have a comment so we'll see um i'll keep you updated as the story develops but this is a fun issue so please check it out and enjoy this moment with yassi by the way is a fellow phoebe philo fangirl i know you will like it yassi solek welcome to fashion people lauren chairman thank you so much for having me it's an honor and a pleasure honor and a pleasure to have you so are you in boston so are you back in los angeles no thankfully, well, not thankfully, I actually really loved Boston, but I'm back in LA.

2:25Just, it was a little cold from my, uh, my blood in Boston. So tell us what you were up to in Boston. Um, I was at a hardcore festival. Um, cool, hardcore punk and emo music. So you guys can know that I'm the perfect guest to come talk about a 2026 Grammys and Grammy fashion. You know, a lot more about fashion than maybe people realize. Well, it's a hobby. It's an interest and a hobby for me. But I am wearing the t-shirt that I slept in in sweatpants right now. So just take everything I say with a bit of a grain of salt when I'm criticizing these beautiful people. I'm super close to that. I only changed because of school drop-off.

3:07But that's what I would be wearing now, too. Okay, question for you. What was the fashion like in Boston? Just puffers because it was so cold? Really a lot of puffers. and I don't own a puffer. Nothing against a puffer. It's a utilitarian piece of equipment and that was three degrees. But yeah, lots of puffers, lots of the zip fleeces underneath the puffers. But everyone was like out in the streets. There was an ice protest across the street from our hotel and I was like so impressed to see people. It was one degree outside and they were just out there all day. I was a hearty people. Well, you know, I went to school in Boston and I have some issues with New England and the way of life there.

3:55But beyond beyond the weather problems. Yeah. So this is my issue. And I do think it's like they come from it's Puritanism. right this is a group of incredibly like on paper progressive people but their actions are often reflect a lot of repression so it's just like a very weird thing where everybody seems super progressive and liberal but they're actually kind of like conservative and repressed but that being said like of course they would go out in the snow and and in the cold more importantly and suffer like that. But I would also say as someone who lived, who grew up on the East Coast sort of, and then lived on the East Coast for most of my life and has been moved to Los Angeles five years ago, we have looked this up and there is a, after you've been in an environment for two years, your body adjusts.

4:54So when I go back now, the first couple of years going back to the East coast I was totally fine in cold weather now when I go back I'm like extremely affected by it and it's different like Mediterranean cold weather is much easier for me to manage than like dry cold weather yeah yeah it's it was it was something I think the thing that I was the most devastated by was going to Newberry Street and being like oh they tore down paradise and put up a parking lot but the parking lot is like aloe stores and um sweet greens you know yeah what is newberry comics still there yeah but it's like a funko pop store yeah i think they have some records but it's not giving you know i mean i feel like it was already moving in that direction when i lived there 20 years ago but every city is like that though it's like every city you go to is It's just like the exact same Pret a Manger and a Chipotle.

5:54And you're like, glad I visited. Yeah, that's the world of private equity and development that we live in, Yossi. So speaking of, I don't know if speaking of is the right segue here, but you are a music journalist. And I thought it would be fun and a lover of fashion. I thought it would be fun to have you on to discuss Grammy's fashion. Last night, I went at 10.35 p.m. to the Chateau Marmont, to Bar Marmont, for the W Magazine party with Charlie XCX, co-hosted. It was incredibly crowded. Congrats to Sarah Mumbes because there were a lot of people there. I saw Mahala from Industry. Mahalia Industry, a wonderful show.

6:40There was like a lot of famous people there. Ludovic Saint-Cernan the fashion designer who dressed one of the big K-pop groups last night didn't he dress Cat's Eye? Cat's Eye, yes not K-pop exactly I know what you mean they're like a girl sort of like a multi-ethnic so not K-pop girl group, no the music has K-pop tones to it but I think they're like a pop group a girl pop group He dressed Cat's Eye. He was there. There were a lot of young, famous people that I don't know who they are. The guys from Connor from Heated Rivalry was there, of course. Oh, OK. He's out here. He looked good. It was it was co-hosted by Anthony Vaccarello from Saint Laurent.

7:31It was it was a cute party. I was old for it, but it was fun. it's okay there's there's a meme that i always like to reference i don't know if you've seen it where there's like a woman sitting on a couch and it's like okay so there's this 56 year old woman here and that's how i feel every time i go to like literally anything like the hardcore festival any show any party okay so there's this 56 year old woman here and that's fine i don't mind to be that woman yeah my spiritual age is definitely 60 i unfortunately there was not a couch for me just said no I had a good time it was really fun were you wearing high heels I would I would have made it like seven minutes I wore my like zip up boots Lisa with a double eye from the row which are like I think they're very walkable okay um no I it was fun and it was really fun Sarah Moonves seemed to have a great time I I saw Will Welch came outgoing GQ editor I saw Chris and Jason and I didn't see Cara Limba, but she was there.

8:29David Cho was there with Lane Flersheim. These were the only people I knew. It was just like a very young, cool crowd, but everyone looked great. What did you think of the fashion at the Grammys this year? Because it's not, you can't judge the fashion at the Grammys like you judge fashion at other award shows. It's a different rubric. Yeah, I mean, I think I always, I'm like a little VMA-pilled, So I always like want people to go a little harder in the paint because it's like music and it's fun. And like sometimes I'm a little disappointed by the safety. But I thought there was like some really fab looks this year.

9:14Me personally. Do you know who all of these people are and do you know their music? Okay. So the answer to the first question is mostly yes. but the answer to the second question is a resounding no. Do you feel our responsibility to engage with some of the music to understand what's happening in culture? Not really. I mean, I'm a music journalist with heavy air quotes, but I traffic in nostalgia and I traffic in guitar rock music. So knowing the ins and outs of the Olivia Dean album is not really my business. I understand. I don't think I will ever know any song that Olivia Dean has sung. It's so fine, babe.

9:57Every year they make one of these people to sell their CD at Starbucks or whatever. And it's good. And they love Motown. And I understand. Like, Nora Jones has wrought a lot in her wake. And we need it. It's to keep the balance of the universe. Well, she did look really great in Chanel. She was one of my favorites. I loved her red carpet Chanel. Is it custom? Custom Chanel? it's yes it was custom and then i actually really loved her little like sparkly red mini that she performed and it was like giving a little mariah carey with her big hair and her to look at look it up it was like during the best new artist medley i don't know i don't know who the designer was of that but it was like i thought it was very chic and it was very like oh yeah that's cute like michelle pfeiffer what movie is it where michelle pfeiffer was that red little slinky and sings on the piano?

10:49The Fabulous Baker Boys? We're going to get absolutely grabbed and held by the film community, but sorry. Don't worry, there's no crossover. No Letterboxd Bros listening right now? No, there might be like one Amanda Dobbins fan who still listens occasionally. And the fact that you're going to be on will affect it. Yeah, the piano one is Fabulous Baker Boys. Yeah, okay, great. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's correct. We nailed it. Yeah, she looks adorable. I don't know who made this dress. I doubt it was Chanel. It might have been Chanel also, but highly doubt it. The black and white, though, was fabulous.

11:29It was one of, I thought Chanel last night, they dressed her and Kendrick Lamar. And I thought that their red carpet is like really kind of coming together and solidifying. And I thought they both looked super great. he has miles of personal style and so I I enjoyed that what else did you like I loved Bad Bunny the first ever men's scaparelli I thought it was so cool the back oh lace up you know what's funny I I my colleague Matt Bellany and your colleague Matt Bellany reached out to me our mutual colleague our mutual colleague reached out to me about this and was like what's up with the front I said oh it's supposed to be like that it's like curved like an hourglass and he said it looks like it doesn't fit him but what what would i know no see i totally disagree because i feel like bad bunny bad bonnie he's one of the only men that can pull something like this off you know like other men could try this and you'd be like sir you look ridiculous like take it to the flamenco hall or whatever but like here like he just has exactly the charisma the confidence like everything looks good on him i also agree i thought he looked great And I like this idea of women's fashion houses making men's clothes and not having a full men's line.

12:43I'm sure that eventually Chanel will do a full men's collection, but it might be like 10. They keep saying they're not doing it and whatever. Like, that's what they say. So let's respect. But I like that. I love the men's stuff that they've been doing. Like, I love A$AP Rocky. I think he looks so good. Once again, another person that would look good in a trash bag. True. He is, he's just so cute. Adonis, yeah. Most adorable. But I think that, I like that Schiaparelli tried and that it was with him and it, I thought it was a beautiful, beautiful look. The other person that I'm very interested in that I know nothing about her music, but I like the way she dresses is Laufey.

13:27Oh, you like Laufey's dress? Yeah, you didn't like it? It was like the lavender-ish number. She wore Mew Mew twice. Okay, it was Mew Mew. And then previous to this, the last, I guess, Golden Globe, she wore Balenciaga. And I think the interesting thing is she's styled by Leith Clark, who I like. I don't attend. I like her as an editorial stylist. She's very romantic. I don't tend to like. She styled Keira Knightley for years. I don't know if she still does. I don't tend to like her editorial. I mean, her red carpet styling. It's very British and Violet Cakes London. Like, it's like very sugary.

14:15And for some reason with this person, is it Laughy? It was Laughy. Laughy. I think you'd be surprised if you heard her music. It's like, it's like bossa nova-y. Oh, interesting. And then the teen, and like little teen girls love her. It's so surprising. It's funny. I've really enjoyed it. And if they're not working together, someone can fact check me. But that's what it when I researched. That's what came up. But I think it's interesting. I don't know. I like the color she uses. I like the like the feeling of of the stuff that she's wearing. And I thought I thought she looked nice. If not, if like kind of expected.

14:55Yeah. I mean, speaking of not expected, it's a little bit of a way I learn more in German. Addison, right? That's my fucking girl. sorry are we allowed to curse on here i absolutely don't know for yes i'm like i agree she is she's so hot she's so hot like that it was custom alaya right like it was a collaboration between her and dara and alaya i'm living it's like bizarro world marilyn monroe like the like you know addison was probably like i want my belly button ring to show with that like cut out the way that goes went up in the back and it's just so perfect for the way she loves to pose and the makeup was perfect because it was like really subdued with the like kind of cartoonish dress.

15:35I love it. And the body glitter. Oh, she's, she's perfect. She's perfect. She looked amazing. I thought that Hailey Bieber also wearing custom Aliyah looked really hot and I loved the like sheer panel all the way up to the hip. I thought it was very sexy and, and she looked good. And both of those looks were super, super strong. I want to go back to Aliyah because these will be some of the final Peter Muglier looks before he leaves Aliyah. But was there anyone who was sort of crazy that you thought looked great? Yeah, Lainey Wilson. I loved her. Like, give it, girl. Like, landman fashion. Like, she was like, I'm a country singer.

16:20I'm Southern. Oh, yes. She had the cowboy hat with the really major shoulder. It was a top with pants. I have no idea who designed it. I tried to look and I couldn't find it. And she had this really chunky turquoise necklace with it. I thought she looked so fabulous. She looks great. Let's look up. Oh, here we go. Country core at the Grammys. Thank you, WWD. Do they know what she... It might be custom. him yeah it definitely was something unusual that i was excited to see at first you know when you first see a look and i was like i don't know about the hat and then i was like no i do know about the hat and i say yes totally yeah they wwd does not credit anyone i'm sure there probably is a designer no i'm sure but they don't i did try to troll the internet to find it but she also has a cowboy boot brand boot label called golden west if you're interested i have to look into that after this recording get myself i love tiana taylor in the custom she looked great she never looks bad but that was like once again only oh you could pull that off tiana taylor and i respect it the necklace i loved that necklace with the hanging it was kind of punk yes chain she has incredible style and also styles herself most of the time like she sometimes gets help from a stylist to call stuff in but she essentially said she was she was trying to work i was told she was trying to work with people for this award season and then in the end was like you know what i've been doing it myself for 20 years i'm gonna keep doing it and i like yeah exactly and it's it's like it she does a good job i was gonna say sometimes it can be like i'll represent myself in court and you're like please i don't think you should yeah or or blake lively styling herself forever look i'm i appreciate it because it's it's creates a lot of content for me that that blake lively styles rather see this is again hot tank i would rather see a blake lively show up with whatever the like sweeping prairie skirt and the whatever she's gonna pull up then see 10 of the same version of like a pretty valentino dress that i will forget in one second although i did think sabrina looked good that was no shade i thought that was really beautiful actually i also loved rose from black pink who were Jean-Baptiste de Valle, which everybody thinks is going out of business, but it was a custom look.

18:48So clearly they're doing some work in the atelier in Paris, but I love that. I loved it too. I thought she looked awesome. I like an avant-garde moment like that, you know? The other one I liked was, is Dochi, is that how you say it? And Roberto Cavalli? Archival Roberto. Oh no, custom Roberto Cavalli, she said that was like made to look like an era of. I think she always just looks great and has amazing personal style. You can really just tell, especially the Grammys, like who has personal style and who is just like wearing some random thing. And I think she, like you could, if you were Joan Rivers, you could argue that the top didn't fit right, but like whatever.

19:29I liked the colors and thought it was an interesting look. Yeah, and I liked that it was like kind of drama with like the big skirt. Yes. I thought it was cool.

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20:29If you're ready to raise your standards and take charge about the life and career you're building, Aspire is where you start. Follow and listen to Aspire with me, Emma Greed, an Odyssey podcast available wherever you get your podcasts. So on the subject of a lie, who I really think, which I really think won the Grammys in terms of, I think she looked... Wait, we're not even going to talk about Bieber? Oh, I mean, we can. His stage performance? That was my number one look of the whole night. What did he wear? We should also discuss Harry Styles in the Dior cropped bar jacket. was wearing his just boxers and socks the boxers were his own brand is it called skylark yeah which is doing extremely well as it should stay tuned for more reporting on that in line sheet and the person who needs to give me that information is listening and needs to remember to send it to me to bang lauren's line i just i was blown away by this i was like it was just like a guitar an mpc pedals, boxers, socks, a mirror and a rug.

21:31This man just he blew me away. And also I'm going to say something. I don't usually think men should have nose rings. You're into it. Bieber can pull it off. It's giving like Alice in Chains 1992 vibes. I loved everything about it. That was my favorite look of the Grammys with Bieber and the boxers and the socks. Oh, man. Was it a good? Did you watch the whole thing? I did. Yeah. Was it like objectively a fun evening? and entertaining. It was much better than I thought it was going to be because the Grammys low-key, not really usually, have their finger on the pulse of what's happening. The in-memoriam segments that they made really big with these three big performances, Reba anchored one of them, Lauryn Hill anchored the other one, and the other one was rock with them.

22:23They were doing the Aussie tribute. They were great. I wish they had done a Beach Boys one. I thought it was kind of they should have done a fourth one with Brian Wilson and had all the pop girls like. Oh, yeah. Songs. That would have been good. But I thought it was nice. Low key, a good a good Grammy. I didn't love Lauren Hill's dress and obviously love her. But I was disappointed. I came around to it at first. I was like, what are you wearing, honey? And then I was like, you know what? It's giving like opera singer drama. And then I was I was back. And then the glasses. I was like, OK, Lauren.

22:51OK, good argument. Good argument. So what did you think of Harry Styles in the Dior? in the okay i thought that he unfortunately really i thought he looked great but i thought it was unfortunate for like maybe a somber who it's like this is what it should look like if you don't wear a shirt under your jacket understood do you know what i mean it was it was so perfect with the jeans he looked like his hair was like rumbled he was like i'm sorry they made me come here i just got here i'm leaving in five minutes here's whatever the award is goodbye i would say that he may be the best dressed person in Dior red carpet so far since Jonathan Anderson got to Dior.

23:33Men and women? Yes. Oh. It is, and I think this, once Oscars comes, we're going to get a really good gown, but he just wore this, it's funny because I was talking to a friend when I was in Paris for couture, a man who was like, I would buy a bar jacket, but I'm not buying a cropped one. And it's funny because now you do kind of have to be you do kind of have to again. It's like I don't think every man should wear a bad bunny scapula. I don't think most men should wear bell bottoms. I think almost all men, if you're listening, don't wear bell bottoms. You can't pull it off. Don't do it. No, but some of those men could also my last story.

24:16I just I loved Charlie's Chrome hearts and I was very proud of myself because I was able to call it. I was like that's giving chrome hearts and I really like that chrome hearts is doing red carpet Charlie didn't walk the carpet but she it was for her she presented um I don't remember which award I'm sorry you guys um but it was this like really cool leather number and I thought it was really cool because it was like a little subdued and I feel like when you're not nominated yeah like Hayley Bieber is a good example like you shouldn't go like full balls out because like it's not your moment you know and I thought Charlie like nailed it with that it was like a really cool charlie-esque like you know edgy leather awesome look but it wasn't like look at me look at me yeah she looks awesome yeah it's really good it it's um like a double-breasted leather crop top and leather pant and leather long skirt with a sash belt essentially yeah it's it's very good talk about the other sash belt i saw that that really bothered me about well why not to be negative what was it what's the first letter and last letter of the name m it's a designer you love so i just like didn't want to come on here and no tell me beef with you i don't it's fine this is the point the let's argue people love it when when we i didn't i didn't like the michael rider selene oh i didn't like it either yeah the with miley yeah no this This is what I will say about it.

25:47And yeah, I mean, pro Michael Ryder, the best. But I was like, it's giving, like why you put a bird on it, babe? It's full Etsy, put a bird on it. Yeah, I agree. So it was Miley Cyrus in Celine, not a good person for Celine. And this is an issue about Celine. They have not figured out their celebrity strategy, which a lot of brands haven't that are not the like Louis Vuitton, Dior, whatever. Because the thing was, Dior used to just be like Jennifer Aniston and Natalie Portman, but now Jonathan Anderson is there and Jonathan Anderson is like, I want Josh O 'Connor. So all the like cool indie kind of mainstream people, Greta Lee's at Dior now.

26:24Greta Lee would be wearing tons of Celine and Loewe. She's swearing it a bit, but like she's mostly wearing Dior. Mia Goth is mostly wearing Dior. These are people who, and Celine has not yet figured out their celeb strategy. Who would you, like if it was up to you, who would you cast for them to be their like it's funny ambassadors i've been thinking about this a lot i think that they should like get young cool french girls like adele x whatever her name is the one is that the one that is dating um jarvis cocker's son i i wouldn't know does she have like a little like a mulledy haircut like a haircut her last name is like something i'll i mean i I can't pronounce anything, but I definitely would not be able to pronounce it.

27:15Amanda Dobbins is a very big fan. Oh, Adele XR Chopelos? I'm sorry, I butchered that like 10 ways to Sunday. I apologize. I would like... Oh, she's so cute. Someone, I think that they should be looking at people with, because the new Celine is all about style. They should be looking at people with very, very natural personal style. And that is going to be a lot more Europeans. And also, it's hard. Because it's just like all the obvious people are at Dior. You know who would be amazing is Alex Turner's fiancé or girlfriend who is a French musician, singer, songwriter. She goes under the name Verlo.

28:03Her name is Pauline. And she is exactly what you're describing, I feel. She would look perfect in it. Yeah. And Miley Cyrus, it's not obvious. It's just not an obvious. The other person, like Sofia Coppola, where is like hardcore Chanel and hardcore Phoebe Philo, but like she would fuck with some of that stuff. Like those kinds of people, older, cool indie celebrities and then young people with natural style. But it's going to be hard for them to pinpoint. But Miley just doesn't make sense with that brand. And also that look, it just it was too much of a look for her. Like it felt like a costume.

28:47I was like, like, take like take half of this and then put something else with it or something. It was just too much was going on. I agree. And you know who has looked amazing in Celine is Rose Byrne. Oh, okay. Which is, it's like random. She's not someone who I think of as having like incredible personal style. She works with Kate Young. And for some reason, she's worn a lot of Celine. She wore Chanel to, I believe, the Golden Globes. But she wore a Celine polka dot dress to the Academy Museum gala that was just so good. And so she's looked good in it. but they need to they need to figure it out someone said to me you you shouldn't who listens to this podcast also so whatever but i'm not outing them but they said you know like Alanis Morissette maybe not the exact right person to be like your star at your fashion show for for this brand like it's it needs to be someone who is like fashiony and into into fashion and and has personal style that is not that is like has a European flair I don't know yeah but it's he needs a rocker I mean let's that's those are like from the first collection that I saw with all the bracelets that yeah it was absolutely giving like um when you go to a music festival and you have all the wristbands like yes it's very it's very rocker to me and I'm like let's put some cool rockers in it you know yeah rock rock chicks I sound like a hundred year old person right now No, I bet like Kim Gordon would look great in it.

30:19Yeah. You know what was surfacing recently? Remember the fake news that she got bit by a coyote in the Whole Foods parking lot? I know. It got sent to me the other day and I was like, what happened? And I looked it up. I'm like, oh, this is fake news from 2016. It's so good. It did surface. I saw Shad D'Souza posted it and I made a little joke with him on DM. So really quickly, I wanted to run through a couple other news items. As we were mentioning, Aliyah was very, very strong showing at this Grammys. And Peter Moulier, who has been the creative director for the last five years, announced on Friday that he's leaving the brand.

31:01He's going to Versace. I reported this in December. They're only all now confirming this stuff publicly because it takes time. Contracts need to be signed. they need to figure shit out. But I was curious, like, have you, do you engage with this brand as a consumer at all? And, well, that's the first, let's just, let's ask one question at a time. Yes, I absolutely wore my little, um, lap, here's the thing I love, pony hair, bitch, if there's pony, if it has pony hair, that's my real, real search term, don't copy me, um, is pony hair. I have my little, uh, ballet that, you know, the iconic ballet flat they made with the crisscross.

31:43Love it. I love a lie in general. I mean, the belts and everything's a little expensive for me because I'm on a podcaster salary. But when I can get it in the secondhand market, I love it. I wanted to ask you though, because I am a loyal listener to fashion people, as you know, but I don't have a lot of fluency with the industry. It felt like that was very successful. I felt like I saw those shoes popped the fuck off. The little purses were everywhere. So was it, is it he decided to leave? Okay, I see. So it was incredibly successful. And Olaio was a very tiny business when he started. I think it was probably like, this part, don't quote me on, but it was probably like 40 to 60 to 80 million.

32:24I know that sounds like a lot of a difference, but it really isn't in fashion terms. It was very, like probably under 60 million, maybe under 40 million when he started. it was a small business that owned by this group this swiss group called richemont that doesn't is more they own cartier and van cleef and arpel and they're more focused on that so their fashion brands they also own chloe have always been you know they're very well regarded in the market but have never been giant chloe is the biggest one out of the fashion brands they own and is that because they didn't have a strong accessory game because that's where they make their money that is partially accessories.

33:02Partially. Why? And it's also because it's just not the expertise of the business. The guy who runs Richemont is a South African guy named Johan Rupert, and his expertise is in hard luxury. So some hard luxury is doing really well across the board. And if you own one of those businesses, Caring, which owns Gucci, they own Beauxcheron. It's doing very well. LVMH owns Tiffany and Bulgari. They're performing very well. So hard luxury means jewelry. Yes. Hard luxury is jewelry and watches. Hard luxury, the Yossi Salick story. Yes. Watches are like a little bit trickier right now, but diamonds are killing it.