New York or Nowhere?

18:59Lauren:actually i did just like try it recently but i really don't i think i must have when i was little

19:06Leah Chernikoff:oh okay I never have I occasionally now will do a slight sort of in the middle less to the side yeah but like also I am lucky that during this side this middle part thing that happened first of all I ignored it thankfully not on TikTok didn't really only knew about it because of you um but also it was the same era when the like my hair was trendy on the runway so the same era of like matthew doing curly yeah the big curly long hair with a huge side part like very 80s so i just i didn't yeah like sometimes i'll wear a i don't have a i don't have a place like i do my part in different places every single day.

19:59Leah Chernikoff:But sometimes I'll do like a little bit more of a, and when I got my hair blown out last week, the person did it more in the middle and I had to like adjust it. So I was like, no, I'm not doing this with my hair blown out. But I just think it's funny. Rory Satrin has a piece in Styles this weekend about, or I guess, I think it was on Sunday, about the return of the side part. And she posted her doing a side part. And I was like, Like, oh, I never even thought about the fact that she doesn't wear a sock. I just, I don't.

20:30Lauren:Yeah, it's weird. It's just like the default way most people wear their hair now. And even like, and I just.

20:38Leah Chernikoff:Straight down the middle.

20:39Lauren:Yeah. Yeah, middle part. And it's not just that thing that's like the clean girl, which is like the kind of extreme of that, like, Hailey Bieber phenomenon where you're like, you know, like, I know from my friends who have kids, girls in middle school, like, this is still a very desirable look. that takes time to achieve, like getting the part and it getting slick back and the bun with the middle part, you know? But I just let it all pass me by as well. But Lynette, at some point, we were about to film an episode of The Goodbye back for season three as we speak. And I asked her if my hair looked okay.

21:16Lauren:And she was just like, I don't really understand a side part.

21:21Leah Chernikoff:Really?

21:22Lauren:Yeah. She was just like, I can't comment on that. Like what is, I don't know what that thing is that you do. I think it's so interesting because I just think like, I know, I don't think about it.

21:34Leah Chernikoff:I know. Like to me, it's like jeans. Unless you're wearing like a really crazy pair of jeans, all jeans look fine now. It's just a, you should wear the thing that makes your face look better. And I don't, I honestly don't know which would make my face look better. But it's easier with my hair. Yeah. Yeah. yours you should definitely wear on the side but also with my like hair coarseness I just think a middle part that's like a lot of work that requires I just got a diffuser I'm gonna see if I can

22:07Lauren:actually use it that requires more like in you that's not that bad I've done it before sure but

22:13Leah Chernikoff:like what I'm saying is if I was to wear a side part it has to be like all symmetrical whereas I I mean, a middle part, whereas with side parts, like my hair can just be I can like put a little water in it and fix it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, back to the shows. So I what else did I really like? I thought Mark Jacobs was super great. And I thought it was I thought Colleen Allen and I love it was really great. She's really she's really, really good. it's it's good and I hope that she figures out how she wants to use that skill because again like I had Lauren Fernando from Monse previously Vassar de la Renta on last Friday and I said to them on the episode I was like why are you guys doing this like it's just insane like anyone who's like I'm gonna do a I'm gonna launch a fashion brand it just it makes literally no sense on any level and she's extremely talented and seems to be being like very careful about how she builds it.

23:21Leah Chernikoff:But like, I am just curious because she could be someone in five years that works at a big house in Europe if she wanted to be. I thought that that was really great. I also really liked Altuzara and it reminded me of you for sure.

23:38Lauren:Yeah. You know, it's like one of my, I think I still have a piece from the first collection. I've loved it since day one. It's very like just always feels like what I want to wear. But in that same way, like Colleen Allen really feels like one of those brands to me now, just stuff that you gravitate towards. And we talked about TWP and how sharp and good it is too. Just yeah, this sweater that I'm wearing, which anyway it's TWP I wear it almost every day it's just very very good stuff one thing I wrote

24:13Leah Chernikoff:in my um in my report was like if you're gonna have a fashion show for a brand that like doesn't really need to have a fashion show you have to do it like TWP because the styling's amazing the casting is great the casting is good they had a really gorgeous set the cookie that they gave out I forget the the store but it was really delicious and also the clothes get better every season forgot yeah that was so good um some Brooklyn place yeah but um I think like I'm I don't mind going to that show because it's like it's it reminds me honestly of like a newer kind of Ralph Lauren type thing like I I really like I think she she's super talented Trish Westcoat pound and and also I don't know it's just so elegant and I went to see Todd Snyder on Friday and I think he said his daughter is working at TWP now which was interesting because I mentioned it to him because it like felt like his brand and TWP are sort of complementary to each other they're just like really nice elegant clothes and a lot of people I thought Kallmeyer was really beautiful too and the materials and fabrication she's using it was gorgeous and that was the first show I had ever been able to go to because usually um I'm gone already by the time she shows but it was I was able to make it and I thought it looked really really nice and the embroidery

25:44Lauren:and stuff it was it was really pretty yeah yeah and I loved I I think you were gone for Diatima which I really loved as well. I think it was like a cool progression with the kind of like texture she's using and shapes and it felt like a nice coda to everything.

26:03Leah Chernikoff:Yeah, I was gone, but I did see the photos and I thought it looked really, really good.

26:08Lauren:And the first lady of New York was there, which was also very cool.

26:12Leah Chernikoff:I heard, yes, I heard. I saw her boots, which she seems to really enjoy. She seems to really like boots.

26:20Lauren:A real woman of the people. She wears her clothes.

26:23Leah Chernikoff:She's a real Brooklyn girl. That's right. What else? I loved Eckhouse Lada as always. And let's talk a little bit about Starbucks because so they did Eckhouse. They did Kalina Strada. They did Call Meier. And then there was, I think, one more show that they that they sponsored. But they it was interesting because they so they had coffee backstage at Eckhouse. certain seats had gift cards, like very nice gift cards. That was only certain seats? Apparently, yes. That's what I heard. I don't know if that's... I can't confirm that, actually. I think they all did.

26:57Lauren:It's just maybe some people swiped them because they were... Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right.

27:03Leah Chernikoff:But anyway, I thought, like, look, these shows used to be sponsored by Maybelline or whatever, and I'm sure they still are sometimes. But as the kind of culture... Yeah, Water, Evian, No, Abby, I'm going to do it. Probably Dasani. But, you know, Fuji Water sponsored fashion people once. I'd love to have them back. I'm on back, Fuji. You know how much I love water. You know how much I love water.

27:30Lauren:Yes, you're so unique in that.

27:33Leah Chernikoff:Oh, I love water. It's so good.

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28:45Leah Chernikoff:so anyway i don't i thought starbucks is like such a y2k brand in so many ways and the the sort of as the sort of value of a fashion week has changed they are obviously like the double wears prod is coming out i feel like starbucks is like very much in the culture right now and they they partnered with cool brands and brands that like Eckhouse being into Starbucks I totally get it it doesn't feel and it wasn't like hokey or anything it was just like everybody wants a Starbucks gift card everybody needs coffee backstage I thought it was smart the way they sort of embedded and yes we did it really wasn't intrusive at all but yeah no no and and I would just say like from my experience with them it has been really nice it to like the the reason I do these private dinners is people want to they want to network and they want to meet like Starbucks wants to meet brands and executives that they might work with someday so it's like about getting deals done and things like that and so that was fun and I felt like it was a really effective dinner and I didn't feel like it was it was great and then and then we did a podcast with Daniela which was like the perfect thing to do because she was sponsored by them I was doing this dinner by them and then she's someone that was on my list to have on the podcast so we did this fun podcast at Chelsea Hotel so it was I don't know I think that they are I think it's a smart way and I more brands should try to embed in fashion week like that like yes those designers

30:29Lauren:all need that kind of help. So it was nice. Too bad they didn't sponsor

30:34Leah Chernikoff:the Seven for All Mankind show, though. That would have been the real thing.

30:40Lauren:Yeah, though, who owns Seven? I don't know. It's like who owns Seven? I was just trying to think that, like the independent designers, like I think they always can use help putting on a show if they're going to do one. So that's really nice that that happened.

30:52Leah Chernikoff:You're right. I assume a private equity firm owns Seven. Yeah. Ownership.

30:57Lauren:Let's find out.

30:58Leah Chernikoff:anything else from the shows because we should move on okay um trying to think delta galil

31:05Lauren:industries do yeah it's an israeli apparel manufacturer yeah it makes sense it's like a seventh avenue type vibe yeah nothing's coming to mind which means nothing because that's my

31:19Leah Chernikoff:you know what we had a really nice dinner at lee wine bar yeah on saturday night i mean friday night It was so good. We had a great time. The food was incredible. With our friend Erica Cirullo. Yeah. So good. And I have to say, as much as I love A$AP Rocky and want his fashion brand, Don't Be Dumb, which I believe is what it's called, to excel, I'm glad I didn't go to that and was with you all instead. It was very nice. Yes, it was so fun. Okay, so let's talk Independent Spirit Awards. this is really the one time where the big giant brands don't aren't the aren't dominant and so there were a lot of there were a lot of cool clothes on Saturday or Sunday night whenever it happened and I was curious what your take was what were your favorites from the Indie Spirit

32:09Lauren:Awards yeah I'm gonna pull it up again I do think it's nice that like the Independent Spirit Awards and independent designers sort of, you know, have their moment together feels like a symbiotic. Like Tessa Thompson and Kalina Strada, I thought that was really nice. Yes. But we were talking about, I think, Rose Byrne wearing Loewe, which is obviously I don't think of like as an indie brand, but I think of like those guys as sort of like I still in my head think of them as coming from an independent New York place. Well, look, yes.

32:51Leah Chernikoff:And the other big thing is, and I'm going to write about this more in depth in the next week or two. I just haven't had time to do the reporting, but it's really hard for even the brands that are owned by the big houses that aren't. If you're not Louis Vuitton, Dior, Gucci, and I'm trying to think there is another one. Oh, Chanel. It's hard to get clothes on people.

33:15Lauren:right to do those and they don't have the budget yeah yeah and they don't have the budget Dior

33:21Leah Chernikoff:has I think like 20 ambassadors and they're all cool they're cool people who are in independent films so it's it's much harder if even if you're like a Bottega or Valentino which also had a big presence at this award show to to get those those um get clothes on people so I think and and prominent people. So I thought like that was the really nice thing about it. And I also thought that I just thought everyone looked great there. There's someone named Erin Doherty, who I don't know, but she wore Lee, Usain Lee, which we were just talking about, which looked great.

33:58Lauren:And completed works. Yeah.

33:59Leah Chernikoff:And completed works, the London based jewelry brand. I also love Kirsten Dunst in Valentino. She's been wearing Valentino a lot. And I think she really pulls it off and it looked gorgeous.

34:10Lauren:It's such a good pairing them together. I thought.

34:14Leah Chernikoff:Yes, it's so good. I hope that that's like a long term thing. And she because she has amazing style and she every time she wears something, I want it, which is nice. I also loved Rebecca Hall and Jill Sanders. She looked great. That's another brand that like it's not Greta Leaves with Dior, you know, like these it's harder to to to be able to get placed on people so and and obviously amy madigan and

34:42Lauren:bottega looked great as well yeah and i i just i always liked jenny slate i think i just like her a lot as like a for what she does but i think her style is always cute and always a little more see-through than i expect like sexier she's an altuzara and i thought she looked really nice

34:58Leah Chernikoff:Her bod looked amazing. Nina Haas and Simone Rocha. David Johnson in Loewe looked great. I love the new Loewe campaign. Did you see it?

35:14Lauren:Really?

35:14Leah Chernikoff:think it's fab it's really really good it's one of the best i'm also going to do a top 10 ranking of the campaigns and i have a special guest on in a couple weeks to discuss campaigns specifically so if any of you have thoughts on the campaigns please message me most of them are bad so i don't even know if we're going to be able to do a top 10 we'll be able to do a top five

35:38Lauren:We did these kind of things back in the very early bloggy days, you know? Yeah, of course. Ranking of the campaigns.

35:46Leah Chernikoff:A lot of the stuff I do is about the early bloggy days.

35:54Leah Chernikoff:Not much about my life has changed, Leah. That's sort of true.

36:01Lauren:It's true. It's true. I'm like, I can't find the new campaign. From 26?

36:07Leah Chernikoff:yeah it's brand new if you just go on instagram no you know leah the only thing that changes if someone dies i don't have to write a post in 35 seconds

36:19Leah Chernikoff:still on the hook just have extra time just although i would say my boss would say i'm not on the hook but i'm mentally on the hook i know my boss would be like you know you're not on the hook for anything, but I would be like, I'm on the hook in my mind.

36:35Lauren:Yeah, you're, you're, you're always on the hook of your mind. I love it. You know, stop everything. I know.

36:42Leah Chernikoff:It's true. It's true. The best thing that ever happens is if someone dies and I have to stay in my house all Sunday and work. Let's maybe rephrase that. Okay. I think it's fine. Campaign, the campaign you were.

36:59Lauren:oh yeah yeah I see it it's very nice it's so great

37:03Leah Chernikoff:what I really like about it it's really warm and everything this season has felt very cold and flat and it's just let's see let's pull up some credits of who Jodie Barnes styled it let's see who photographed it who shot that campaign Leah

37:24Lauren:whoa let's see I'm on a WWD so it should tell me it's a fine art photographer talia chetrit yes it's it looks good like it's really nice

37:40Leah Chernikoff:and i think it also just shows the clothes off like i really want this green blazer it looks i think it's it's super nice uh karina creative directed by karina fray and stephanie Barth. Karina Frey and Stephanie Barth. That's who were the creative directors on it. It was Frey Barth, I guess, is their agency. I thought it was, it's real nice. And, and, you know, we're, we're happy for them. The green blazer looks amazing. I really want it. I think it, I think I have to get it. It's, it's very, my vibe.

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39:57Leah Chernikoff:I really wanted to quickly discuss, have you watched Love Story? Everyone's talking about it. I need to figure out how to write about it. How have you all been writing about it at Bazaar? Yeah, how have you all been writing about it at Bazaar?

40:10Lauren:Going, you know, full form on it because it's something that feels very, you know, right for. bizarre her yes like i feel like yeah her 90s style and bazaars kind of the way bizarre set the tone for 90s fashion and 100 like they are simpatico so i feel like it agreed makes a lot of sense for us um i i've just started watching it um before we got on and you know obviously there was a lot of uproar based on the kind of photos that were being taken as the show was filming about you know that her hair color was all wrong her style was all wrong and so far um seeing it on film or whatever I'm you know it does feel it does not feel as jarring as it looked on those street photos and I agree she is really beautiful um Sarah Pidgeon and and people are really obsessed with that guy uh what's the actor's name who cares some people do he was and

41:15Leah Chernikoff:He wore a really nice little Celine outfit the other day that he looked good in. Yeah. I mean, everyone who has watched it is like really enjoying it and said it's really fun to watch. I might download it because I have a flight that leaves here at 11 a.m. on Friday and lands in Paris at 7 a.m., which is hilarious, which means I'm not going to sleep. so I fit and I won't have to work because it's Friday afternoon so I mean I guess I could yeah I guess I could start to write month but I'll write Mondays on Sunday on the Paul Anthony Kelly is his name congrats to him but anyway I want to watch it and I agree I think like from everything I've heard people are not they really kind of figured out the wardrobing stuff I know there are a lot of auction houses.

42:12Leah Chernikoff:Cassandra Gray wore her Yoji suit to Kate. To Kate, I know. And I was like, I really need a little skirt suit very badly. I know.

42:22Lauren:Props to Farron Trensel who told me about it. I had no idea otherwise.

42:26Leah Chernikoff:Yeah, Farron sent me the link and we're going to include it on the Tuesday email. But yeah, I think it's going to be a fun thing. I'm kind of glad that it's not been as nutty as it was in the lead up because it was super stressful to deal with. Everyone should read my Ryan Murphy. I believe it's a two part Q &A with him because someone in his inner circle was like, you should talk to her because the people in the industry who read this, they'll like, they'll actually pay attention. They'll respect that you went to her. yeah shout out to ryan murphy for for putting putting the right people like having the right people around him i was it was a it was a fun interview but anyway it was super stressful and i'm glad that it's okay there's one more thing i wanted to ask you about leah

43:18Lauren:what was it how are you feeling about diamonds in 2026 oh yeah i i have gathered that you and some of our friends feel the pull towards them. I don't know if that's about our age or just some kind of midlife magnetic pull, but I'm not, I don't know. I'm not there. Should I be?

43:44Leah Chernikoff:I, why aren't you there? That's, you're just not, you just don't find them attractive for you.

43:51Lauren:no I do I just am not thinking that way I barely can think like a day I still have like a really little kid I can't I don't know I would love some but I'm just like sure I was already thinking

44:03Leah Chernikoff:about this stuff by the time my kid was your kid's age but I also only am one and I'm more selfish than you um so here's the thing hard luxury is really where it's at right now if you look at richemont's earnings they own cartier and van cleef and arpel it's wild like jewelry balgary is doing really well for lvmh tiffany's doing really well for lvmh boucheron's doing really well for caring if you if you have a lot of money and you're kind of sick of everything that's out with handbags and soft luxury as they call it you're gonna buy like a hundred thousand dollar necklace and there's also I think as I've gotten older I'd rather just buy one really nice thing that I have forever than buy a bunch of little things or whatever and it feels like a real investment like it can go up in value are you like wanting to buy something

44:59Lauren:that you'll wear every day yeah look I I want what is it is it earrings or is it a necklace or what are you what are you thinking maybe maybe both so okay let's prep let's preference with

45:11Leah Chernikoff:i do not own a lot of jewelry i own one very nice solid gold chain and i own one very nice watch and my engagement and wedding ring combo is not like it's not worth insure it's like was under I don't I my they were very affordable like I'm not I'm not a fancy jewelry person because I don't know it just has never been a thing and I wear a lot of Sophie Buhai uh sterling silver which I love and have it's still an investment but like a lot of the pieces I have from her cost under 500 bucks like it's not it's not wild I don't know I just feel like I have a lot of nice silver I have these two I have a gold chain and earrings from Danielle Sherman I have a very nice watch that's silver and gold combined I just feel like I want a pair of diamond earrings and yeah potentially a diamond necklace but obviously I love it for you yeah but but um it's interesting so I went to

46:15Lauren:Sophie Sophie Billabry yeah we don't really somebody many people will come to correct

46:24Leah Chernikoff:that I know that seems right but I really like that stuff it's really beautiful and we have some friends who have bought stuff and I like that it's you know I like all these brands that it's like a family-owned business or whatever and uh and it's local and it has its very own specific aesthetic I don't think that I'm gonna go there definitely not going there with a necklace but Like I would maybe buy a pair of earrings or something. I'm trying to figure out. Our friend Britt suggested I go to Grey's in London and just get like a pair of antique earrings or something. But I just think like this is the year for diamonds if you're going to buy them.

47:07Lauren:Why? Because the prices are going to like shoot up or?

47:11Leah Chernikoff:I would say. No, I just think it's like it's what's in the what people are in the mood for. It just feels like it's a year of diamonds. Like you all should do a big spread of diamonds when you have to do your jewelry spreads. Like I want to do them. I know you do them. Shout out to Miguel and Morato. Miguel. I'm going to talk to Miguel at the shows when I'm like mooching a ride off of him from some weird location in Milan and be like, I need a huge diamond spread. Yeah, I'll tell you.

47:41Lauren:I was I still think I still want like, you know, my nice big girl watch. And I think that's what I'm thinking about. Like I wanted to get myself one when I turned 40 and I didn't. And so maybe I'll. Well, Peter should have gotten it for you, but it's fine. No, I think what I want and, you know, he's a teacher. We're not going to do anything crazy here, but I can.

48:04Leah Chernikoff:You can get really nice watches on the secondhand market for a couple thousand bucks.

48:10Lauren:Yes. I want a tank. I always have. I really like them. You should get one for sure. and you know okay so um one last little call out to the goodbye our first guest this season is alexa chung who feels like you know a perfect person for the show like i and also when we think about not just y2k but like specifically like 2008 like if we're thinking about that time for the seven for all mankind but alexa chung was very very um i feel like dominant in terms of like the influence her style had at that time, but always and forever. And she's so charming. And, um, but she talked about how when you get older, someone was telling her, she said she was trying on diamonds and it never felt, to your point, like, I wanted this.

48:57Lauren:And then she, I was trying someone on a shoot and she was like, oh, I think that I like these. I know. I told you. But also she was saying that she, oh, and she was, James Kalyardos was doing her makeup and he was saying that women, after a certain age like them because the light goes out of your face and diamonds bring the

49:17Leah Chernikoff:light back to your face so there you go that's interesting oh i see it yeah it's true um i think you need them too leah okay you have do you have any diamonds you probably do the light is gone

49:32Lauren:from my face i mean i you know i also we had like i have diamonds in my engagement and wedding band there's small guys and probably a little things on these this little this little foundry charm i always wear um but yeah not a ton and i need to get my engagement ring fixed actually which has diamonds in it so i need a i need a co i will be calling i guess my you anita co did your engagement ring that's chic yeah yeah and I wore um thank you to Maria Duenas Jacobs these like incredible little like like sticks dangly sticks diamonds that were like these twenty thousand dollar pair of diamond earrings that I was really nervous and then also forgot about it and it just

50:22Leah Chernikoff:looked fab well what I would say is if if you have money to spend in here to quote a pretty woman I had a really nice time going and having an appointment with Michelle at Sophie Brilla Bra

50:35Lauren:Brilla Bray I feel like the first time maybe you were did it better the reason being that it's in

50:43Leah Chernikoff:this beautiful space on the Upper East Side you just go up I tried on a bunch of stuff I had a piece of chocolate I took a bunch of photos of myself in the lighting is really it's bright but really nice and it was just so fun yeah yeah i don't know so if you if you're on the hunt i suggest going up there and checking it out it's like another second floor shop like my whole life in new york was all about going to second floor shops or like fifth floor shops or whatever i

51:13Lauren:just at our sea is like that i'm trying to think what else i think i said in line sheet once when

51:20Leah Chernikoff:Phoebe Philo starts opening shops, I really think they should consider doing a second floor because it's just like so it felt it feels so special. And and what one of the people at Sophie said was that like one day they were there there by appointment. They were just open on a Sunday and people came just to pop it. And so it is a it doesn't if you're looking for foot traffic, look I mean it's not sunk um what's that west coast plaza what's that place called that's um like the we did a Sarah did a story on how south coast plaza south coast plaza in terms of foot traffic or whatever but it is like if you're a cool brand it's a nice way to to do it and also obviously the space up second floor is more affordable but there's something it felt it was really special i had a really nice time in new york shopping and not even buying that much stuff just like just seeing new things yeah yeah it was really that's really nice and i do think like yeah

52:28Lauren:you you may have to go to the second floor to do that like when you think about i think about like what broadway and soho looks like and um for a shopping experience that does feel special like yeah maybe you have to go up to floor two yeah you know that phoebe just consider it i'm sure they're listening i'm sure one of them is they're taking they're definitely gonna listen now um leah this was so fun i'm so glad i got

53:03Leah Chernikoff:to spend so much time with you i'll see you in may but we'll talk before then yes have a great

53:08Lauren:flight. I hope you enjoy Love Story. And please keep us updated on your diamond journey.

53:14Leah Chernikoff:I will. Well, I don't want to keep people too updated because I don't want to get robbed. Just kidding. It's not going to be expensive diamonds. Okay. All right. We'll talk soon. Much love. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck Co-Founder,

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