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2:29Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Pucks Fashion and Beauty, Memo Line Sheet. And today with me on the show is Sofia Rivka Rossi, author of The Great Substack Between Friends. We're talking cruise season, exercise trends, the state of APC, the staying power of Kith, frozen yogurt, and believe me, so much more. Happy Tuesday, everyone. I hope you are having a great week. Tomorrow is Dior Cruise. If you're going, please send me any and all thoughts. I'm so curious. I like the little Pasternak video. I'm curious to see how it all goes down. It's going to be an interesting week for sure.

3:13It's Dior, then Gucci, then Vuitton, and lots of cruise conversations. Other than that, you should check out Line Sheet. I have a big story on the sort of state of APC. Sophia and I also chat about it. Malik did a big piece on Vinted, which if you're in the States, it is, I would say, the biggest secondhand. I don't know in terms of size, but it's the most talked about secondhand site app. thingy in Europe and Malik is on that beat and has all the details and we've got lots of fun stuff with some Armani buyer updates just so much going on and I hope you enjoy it let's get going with Sofia though.

4:00Sofia Rivka Rossi welcome to Fashion People. I'm so honored thank you. I'm so happy that you're here. Did you have a nice weekend? I had a lovely weekend. I had a real local weekend in the Larchmont community over here in LA. Did you go to Laurel Supply, which I hear is the new Air One? I've heard this from several people, dispatches on the ground in LA. Okay, I drove by it. The parking seemed insane, but I'm going to go today. I'm very excited about it. I actually think that it's good for everyone to get a little nervous that they don't have like a monopoly on this. Are these the same people that own Laurel hardware?

4:44Is it the same group? Okay. Cause I've also been to their Hillstone competitor in Culver city, which I can't remember the name of it. Oh, was it good? You know, honestly it's quite large, which is great if you need to meet someone who lives on the west side and you need a place and you're worried about a reservation it's not as good as hillstone or houston's or whatever you're gonna call it but it's it was very good the aesthetics are like kind of shockingly new and then you sort of realize like air one especially the original one on beverly is like a little crunchy and old and maybe there's something like cute about that but you can you're like whoa this is like a new establishment you can even see from the streets yeah I went to Meadow Lane in New York apparently there's another one of these like newfangled grocery stores that you're supposed to go to and not just Meadow Lane but they have really good almond milk and that's important to me when I get a latte so I don't have to just get espresso yeah how's the almond milk in Paris um the almond milk in Paris you know wild in the moon which I I'm sure you're familiar with it's a a chain of health food stores.

5:57They used to have an amazing almond milk that I would buy every single fashion week. And it would only last for like two days because there were no preservatives in it. They no longer sell that almond milk. So in terms of almond milk, I'm just using the shelf stabilized stuff that's unsweetened, which is fine. But not a lot of homemade almond milks available to me, unfortunately. No Trad Wives in Paris. No. No Go Get Them Tiger. No Squirrel. No Honey High. There are not homemade almond milks for me available at the regular in these third wave coffee spots. But there are a lot of really amazing coffee places here.

6:42When you come to visit, we'll go. I'm so excited. Yeah. I feel like oat milk is done where we've passed the wave. Yeah, I never got on board. Too sugar spiky. Cortisol queen. Exactly. Another thing I heard about LA this weekend was that there was a big long line in front of the new Kith. And I wrote a little thing about this in line sheet. It's a reopened Kith. And I texted a couple friends who know about things like Kith. And I said, how is Kith still a thing? Apparently, it's still a really big thing. Wait, a bigger thing is I was watching, I was in New York last week and I was at a friend's house and they were watching the Knicks game.

7:24They were a sponsor for the Knicks. And I was like, this feels insane. And then they said it was sort of avatared on, like it wasn't on the actual court. And I was like, this is blowing my mind. So we're just doing like sponsored ads. So I think it is a thing and huge win for them for the Knicks. And I still haven't been to where they serve Air One at the club in New York, the wellness club. Oh, yeah. No. I was talking about that in a meeting today about it. I have also not been. I haven't really heard a lot about it. Maybe they have really good privacy rules or something. But yeah, I don't know how it's still a thing.

8:04But that was like, it's a big crossover from L.A. to New York. So their marketing is working for someone. yeah someone said to me today and I wrote this to try to explain it is that it was the what Ronnie did that Ronnie thought fit fake Feig yeah Ronnie Feig I believe what he did that was so brilliant was he made it about shopping for clothes in the past like the streetwear brands were about music or about skateboarding or whatever. Yeah, and he made it about like the act of buying clothes and that is why it's had more staying power, which I thought was a really interesting observation. I think I'd need to dig into that a bit, but I just thought it, I found it fascinating and I Googled why is Kith still a thing?

9:01And here in France, the AI chatbot or whatever on Google does not come up. I don't know if it's my settings or if this is universal. It comes up when I'm in Italy and when I'm in America, but not here. So I don't know if it's like regular. Yeah, it's chic. It's honestly, I had gotten really into it because it would answer your questions. But basically, all these things popped up about it being about simple, essential things. And it's fascinating. Good for them. You like to see something that's been around for 15 years still going strong. Like, there are no lines out. I feel, have you seen on, I don't know if you frequent Rodeo Drive since you're over in Larchmont, but do you, have you seen, like, I feel like there aren't as many lines outside of stores except for community goods?

9:57Okay, well, a few things to say is one, I didn't know till like a year into my friendship with Emily Oberg that she worked for Ronnie back in the day. And I feel like the new sporty store is giving that energy. They're going to have a juice bar in a little bit and they're going to have like a Pilates class. So I think that feels like the female sort of gathering about the clothes too. But I was on Rodeo like a month ago and I actually was like really disturbed by the lines of luxury for teens outside there. Because like when I was younger, I wanted like a Tiffany bracelet or like a keychain. I'm like, are these people getting full fits?

10:38Like I'm so confused on Rodeo being basically like a community goods. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because did you see the Devil Wears Prada? I did see The Devil Wears Prada. Yeah. I have a lot to say on it, but yes. Did you see it? I did. I went to see it. My big observation was, A, the fact they nailed everything. It was depressing to me because it was so accurate. But I thought that the depiction of the luxury goods world was really smart and at some point emily charlton emily blunt's character says she she's an executive at dior and she says we 20 years ago you know no one was wearing luxury goods and now if you're a mom in banff like a stay-at-home mom in banff she's banff for some reason you are like carrying a tote and I think that's true I think it's so when we were graduating yeah when we graduated it was like a coach bag and or whatever Tiffany necklace and now it's like Kate Spade and now everybody has these super like fancy things and and so yeah that is I wonder if that's who's keeping the the it's the teens that are keeping the revenue of the luxury goods houses up in the U.S.

12:08because they're still doing okay here yeah I mean I guess it's good for everyone I thought I understand luxury brands when it comes to like makeup for teens like I see like everyone's getting really excited about that but um the clothing I just it's still surprising to me but I mean, it's good for the fashion world. Sure, sure. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I didn't. I felt like the Delaware's product was I wanted more montages and I wanted more fun. But I think you're right. It was totally accurate in sort of the sentiment of fashion. But I was like, I need more like big music montages and makeovers.

12:49But maybe that was more about the first one. Well, it's when you're doing fan service, you're supposed to kind of just do fan service and relive those moments. But I think that they tried to make a look. I can't be objective about this movie because tell me why. Well, it's just like I I know too much. Like the movie is exactly what I write about. It's so accurate in terms of the last 15 years of my reporting. like I didn't work at Vogue, but I've been writing about Vogue that whole time. And also, just the way the world, that world works, I thought it was super spot on about fashion media in particular.

13:30And so it was just like, I was stressed the whole time I was watching it. I was just like, I don't want to be spending my time. I don't watch like I don't watch a lot of fashion documentaries. I know I was just with some people who listen to fashion people. And I said, and one of a person I was a person in this group said you know I've never listened to it maybe I'll start listening and I was like honestly I don't know if you want to listen to it like it's like you're like please don't well it's just it's just so if that's your life every single day I don't know it's it's complicated but um you should have been in it you know that's that I did break the news of it existing so i'm like we saw some cameos in there we could have had a yeah maybe maybe the number three we'll see yeah we need to have her have that tell-all book and be a best seller that's like well i feel like they will do a third one now because this has been so and good good on them that it was successful it was like oh for most successful straight up comedy and in forever it is not a romantic comedy I forget who was saying that and I was like this most absolutely isn't um there was no romance and oh it was Peter Hamby my um colleague over at the powers that be he was like a romantic I was like this is not a romantic comedy but um no it's a full workplace storyline that normally is like such a dud in tv so like as a person who is in media and and dabbles in fashion and knows a lot of fashion people how do you feel about all these resort shows coming up we have Dior in Los Angeles in just one day I'm so excited about I know I actually it's the first time I wanted to go because it's at the Geffen yes and the building you have you haven't been yet because you're not no I can't wait yeah I like didn't know what brutalist architecture was but I would tell you now it's my favorite it is the most gorgeous building in Los Angeles it is so it's so gorgeous it looks silver Wilshire, one of the sort of arches that goes from the Geffen to the wrestler wing.

15:39And it's just, it's so exciting for LA. I haven't been that this excited for a venue. So that's very cool that they're doing that there. And then is it Louis Vuitton doing in New York? Yes. And so is Gucci. So it's Dior 13th, Gucci 16th, Vuitton 20th. And then Hermes is doing a show. It's like part two of fall or whatever and they don't call it cruise but on june 4th in la and i'm gonna come so i'll be there i'll be around yes maybe i'll ask yeah baby jane and i'm like get me in yeah you should go i mean i would love to have your um i think it's fun i think i think this is like a real exciting crossover and maybe that's even why the delaware's product did so well too it's like fashion feels more accessible, but still, like, it feels like sports for women, you know?

16:36And I think that these shows going in different cities where it's not just like Paris, New York, bringing it to LA. Like, I didn't think, when I did The Hills back in the day, we, like, filmed an episode at, like, LA Fashion Week, and it was, like, the biggest joke. Like, it was not a thing. And so now the fact that these luxury brands are here where people are literally lining up for their products is kind of cool for LA, you know? I forgot that you're a producer on The Hills. Did you also, were you ever on it? No, no, no, no. I was on, I did The Hills and The City. So that's my, I feel like I worked at my team.

17:13So you really are a fashion person. Yeah, I had my Teen Vogue internship. it. And yeah, I was always really like impressed with the like intensity fashion brought to the table. You know, it's sort of like being an amazing producer, like the details were really cool, but I never like I just wore like uniforms and whatever fashionable friends told me to wear. What were the big designers at that time, like Alexander Wang and Nicola Jesquer at Balenciaga? I feel like because this is like 2009, 2010, right? Oh, my God. The Balenciaga. I'm so mad that I didn't keep some of those bags. I had so many.

17:55I had like five of them. And I don't even know why. I think that was just like what Nicole Richie and people told me to get. And I think they were like$1 ,200 at the time. And I can't I don't know what that bag would be now. What was it called? The motorcycle bag. Yes. Then they're back. They're back. I loved that bag. And I had the big one and then the small little ones and Catherine Power from Who It Wear. They were always like bringing it from like day to night. Yeah, that was sort of the big brands. And oh, Chloe, like the buckle. Not Dior. I feel like Dior wasn't or Prada. No, it was really also the Valentino Rockstud, which is back again, which was in the Devil Wears Prada.

18:40And they just launched a new campaign for it. It never really went away, though. Like the motorcycle bag went away for a good 10 years and then people started buying it on resale and now it's really big again and is doing very well for Balenciaga. But I feel like the Rockstud was this thing that you're like, how could this actually be back? But it is. What about the Prada nylon? Is that out now? Because I just decided I wanted one. I don't think the Prada nylon is ever out. Prada is an interesting brand. So I actually just bought a clutch, a Prada clutch that is embossed leather and then nylon on the sides.

19:20And it's from 1988. She started doing the nylon when she took over designing for the business. She started doing nylon in like the mid 80s or the early 80s or something. The thing about Prada to me is that Prada never really dates because it's in the fashion conversation, but it's not trendy. so like you can have a trend they did a barn jacket but like you can wear the Prada barn jacket you can't wear the no offense to Totem I love Totem the Totem barn jacket eventually is gonna look kind of lame like I love Totem now they just got I just got into it um I yeah but yeah that makes sense whereas a Prada thing because it's so thinky you can wear it whenever and it looks okay.

20:09So no, I don't think not. It did get hipper again, but it will never date. You can totally get a nylon Prada backpack or mini tote or clutch or whatever you want. I want the mini tote, but does that mean that like Celine never dates either? I think Celine, Phoebe, Celine never dated. There are pieces that you look back and you're like, that was a little nuts. But for the most part, I still wear a lot of my old Celine stuff. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of the Issey Miyake pleated stuff that I was not aware of. And now I'm like, I see this everywhere. Yes.

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22:39What did you think of Haley Bieber's Aliyah campaign that came out last week? I didn't think about it until I looked it up right before this podcast. And I got to say, she, it looked great. It looked a little Hervé Leger to me. Like, I feel that was a little bit. In a good way. Yeah, I think in a good way. And I think she just, she's our coolest girl. She's, and she's cool because she's blonde and brunette, you know? She sort of brings to the table the essence of both whenever she wants it. It's true. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know what you are. You're just like a glowing light and make everything feel like cool girl chic.

23:26So I was into it. Yeah, I was thinking when her Saint Laurent campaign came out, I was like, should I do my hair that color? But the problem is I'm not. She has naturally light, pretty light hair. I don't. And I need to get darker again. So I get darker and then it lightens because it gets brassy, which is a word. You don't have to dye your hair, do you? No, but I do think that brunette, when light hair goes into brunette, it's that like shocking moment that you're, I thought she looked great for all the Y. That was my question, though, is I thought she was like a YSL girly with like slip dresses and or do they just rotate it out?

24:09well to be honest I don't know and if someone who works with Haley Bieber or one of these brands wants to tell me what how this happened she she was the YSL campaign star um she wears a lot of YSL in the red carpet not always she also wears a lia because usually with these camp with these deals you have some you can there's some events you can wear whatever you want but I was surprised she did the campaign because to me those are two like pretty direct competing brands in terms of you want like a hot girl dress you're gonna go to one of these um someone theorized that perhaps when she did her ysl contract aliyah was not a thing and so it wasn't listed in the brands that you can't do work with and so they just all got lucky i kind of find that hard to believe just because maybe it is, but I still think that there would be some sort of, you have to give a courtesy telling YSL that you're doing something with Alaya, that sort of thing.

25:12I have no idea. Maybe they gave her a pass because Peter Mueller was, or I'm never going to pronounce that guy's surname correctly, but maybe it's because it was his last campaign and they, I have no idea. But anyway, she looked great. his last campaign going out with hailey bieber i mean i feel i have no idea but to me the ysl stuff or when they did the show last year felt more casual so perhaps it's like her day looks into her sort of more formal branding but yeah i agree if i was ysl i would be i would be a little it's possible and she also was wearing a really hot bathing suit in the YSL campaign that's like the lead image I love that campaign I think it's so good and I think that the Aliyah campaign is incredible too she's amazing and I love that in between she did the interview cover which I thought was great and she looked good and it was an interesting interview yes it was such a great interview too yeah yeah i think she's she is she does a very good job at managing her celebrity to me as as just a consumer of her i don't write about her a lot because rachel strugatz writes all the road stuff and i think generally i mean rachel is a ball covering road it's such an incredible phenomenon but um it i think she does a good job at managing everything especially given her marital status and who she's married to and it's just extremely complex and hats off to her for making everyone love her she really has and it's it's consistent i just feel she really feels like she knows herself now and she feels like this woman but with this like youthful spirit i'm really i'm into her i'm into her one thing she said that i believe in the interview interview you and I could be wrong it could be some from somewhere else was that she's kind of over Pilates oh because she's a former girly well she was like people just like go to random people and they don't know they don't know anything about form and I I've got become a big Pilates person in the last two years and and mostly for posture well to be honest and now I like it for other things and I do uh legree here in paris it's and it's hard but um it yeah it just i felt a little attacked by the trendy workouts but you know there's no trendier workout than burn wait wait i have so much to say on this one she is a dancer so i feel like she's allowed to have some swipes at pilates because i do feel like the way we go to burn classes and people are just on their phone in the heated room.

28:06I feel like in Pilates, it's crazy too. Can I interrupt you for one second? Did you get the email from Byrne where they were like, you are not allowed to be, they sent a new policy thing where they were like, the five minute courtesy is over. You have to be in the room and also no more phones and texting during class. I did. And I want them to add Apple watches. Oh, yeah. I don't think that's a good idea. Also, how are you wearing them in there? it's just I don't like it it makes me look at your your like hand the whole time for me to like I need to not do that and this is like a heated room um but okay you've been you haven't found your full workout in Paris but you found legree legree is hard this I go to this one called legree ness and it is really hard and and they all often will not speak English which is helpful to me because I need to learn more French and I know how to say all the colors and I know right and left.

29:05So like generally, yeah. Yeah. And honestly, I appreciate it. So a couple times like there, I've been in French only classes where I completely and they just come over and they're like, you're doing it wrong eventually. But, um, but that is my big and then I do a traditional Pilates down the street and then I work out, I go to basic fit. The, uh, I do my weights at basic fit. There's no burn in Paris. Yeah, there's no hot Pilates. There's no, they're not even a berries right in Paris. I think there might be berries, but it's not around where I live. I feel like Haley is right about one thing, though.

29:42I do feel like Pilates is for skinny people. You have to already be fit to then be able to enjoy Pilates to see the real results. And I agree. Yes, posture and all that. But I think that is like an elevated workout when you're already in the mix. You can't just like casually go to Pilates classes. Yeah, you have to understand that it's not going to totally change the way your body looks if you're not real thin, which is fine. Like anybody should go to Pilates and enjoy it. But I think it is when you're thinner, you can see the changes more clearly, which again, And not body shaming anyone. Everyone should go into Pilates and enjoy themselves.

30:29What's the Ozempic Paris scene like? Body type. Non-existent. How fun. It's just cigarettes. Yeah, cigarettes are very back. I'm happy to see Zen sort of go away. I didn't like the Zen. I agree. I think it's, I prefer just being honest about the cigarette. And I also just think people enjoy them more. Everyone who is vaping seems extremely stressed. Yeah. Vaping is such a baby blanket. It's like it's a true like I need my bottle vibes. Yes. But a cigarette is sort of like a relaxing conversation. Any other workouts you've been doing that are great? Well, I am. I'm sad to say that I'm late to it, but I love the class.

31:19I'm into like the woo. I know. I'm really going. Maybe I'm going through it. But I need. Somatic is so big in the healing that I just love this like workout of seeing like all these women like moaning and screaming and jumping. And so, yeah. So I'm in the class vibes. Tracy Anderson, I miss it. But it's too chaotic for me right now. I really need them to get it together and have something a little bit more. But there's nothing like a band's Tracy Anderson class that really gets me. But no, I've just been doing my own sport workouts. That's good. Yeah. I mean, and also like walking around the reservoir.

31:56That is a great workout. Oh, yeah. I'm doing my hot girl steps. Over doing Pilates at her new studio. So I might try to like make that just like matte Pilates. Great. Great core.

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