Timothée’s Vogue and Taylor’s Thom Browne

0:04Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, right of Puck's fashion and beauty memo Line Sheet. And today with me on the show is journalist Hunter Harris. We're talking Timothee Chalamet's Vogue cover, Taylor Swift's Tom Brown moment, peer-to-peer clothing rental, and so much more. Happy Tuesday, everyone. Hope you had a great weekend. This week in Line Sheet, lots about what's happening behind the scenes at LVMH, plus Sarah Shapiro investigates whether or not coach can keep its Gen Z momentum going. I also have a bunch of, I guess you could call them personal appearances this week that I would love for you to come to if you're in Los Angeles.

0:46Tonight at 6.30 p.m. at the Bratwood Country Mart, my favorite place to shop in L.A. I'm, I guess it's technically not L.A. I think it's, is it Bratwood? I don't know, whatever. I'm joining one of my favorite writers, Amy LaRocca, at Diesel Books to discuss her book, How to Be Well, navigating our self-care epidemic, one dubious cure at a time. Then on Wednesday, I'm interviewing the one and only Bobbi Brown about her memoir, Still Bobbi, a masterclass in resilience and reinvention. And that's at 8 p.m. in Santa Monica at the Herb Alpert, my mom used to listen to him, Educational Village. So Herb Alpert Educational Village.

1:31Then, as if you couldn't get enough on Friday, it's Puck's annual Stories of the Season event where a bunch of Oscar hopefuls will be on hand. I personally am interviewing the most important costume designers of the year, Ruthie Carter, who did Sinners, Kate Hawley, or Hawley, who did Frankenstein, Paul Tazewell, Wicked for Good, Malgozia Terzonska from Hamnet, but also Chloe Zhao, Noah Baumbach, Elle Fanning, Jesse Clemens, Tessa Thompson, and others will be on stage with my colleagues, including Matt Bellany, Peter Hamby, and the one and only Kim Masters. So if you are not sick of me, or you want to just see Noah Baumbach on stage, please join us.

2:20And let's get going with Hunter. Hunter Harris, welcome to Fashion People. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. I'm so honored for you to be here. Author of one of my favorite substacks, but wherever it lives, it's a newsletter hung up. A great, great entertainment journalist. When did you start the sub stack? November 2020. It'll be five years next month. No, this month. Oh my God, it's literally November. That's so crazy. Yeah. When you did it, were you nervous because you had a big fancy job at New York Magazine and you still write for them and other places, but were you nervous to go out on your own?

3:03Because that was sort of pre-everybody having a sub stack. Yeah, it was like a lot of therapy, a lot of talking to my parents who were like, don't do this. A lot of I was so nervous. But then I also was kind of like it was that time of the pandemic where it's like, honestly, everything nothing's working. So like, yeah, why not like try something different? Totally. Well, congratulations. You did it. And I was just reading through some back issues. And I have even more questions for you because I've had some reader requests to discuss certain pop culture figures that you have recently covered. So in addition to the list of things we need to go through, there are a couple of small surprises.

3:46Before we get started, did you have a good weekend? Do you have anything fun? What did I do this weekend? Oh my gosh. I saw Die, My Love, the Lynn Ramsey movie. How was it? With Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson. I was not so into it, but I'm happy that I saw it. and then what else I watched the okay so I saw Sentimental Value oh I really want to see it yes and I saw Trier's previous movie first movie Oslo August 31st and I really liked it and I hadn't seen it before I have not seen that I've seen Worst Person in the World but not it's a trilogy right like they're more I think you know thematically linked than I think they are.

4:31Because also he uses the same actors, which I think is really interesting. But yeah, I was really into it. Have you been to Oslo? No. I can't recommend it. Well, based on the movie, I was like, geez, I don't know about this. I think Norway is a place you go to the country. I don't think it's... If you're going to go to a city in Scandinavia, you're going to go to Copenhagen or Stockholm. home yeah if you want that kind of a city experience you don't need to go to oslo that's my i've i've discussed this at length with too many people it's just it's i feel passionate about it oh my gosh the tourism board is like shaking right now hilariously i had dinner with someone a couple of months ago in milan and had no idea but was like i can't i really didn't like it there and of course she was from there oh well sometimes people have a complicated relationship with where they're from.

5:26She claimed she agreed with me. I don't know. But she was great. But anyway, I had a very funny. So I was in New York last week and and was out and about doing a bunch of worky things, but then also got to see a ton of friends in the weather was amazing. And we stayed at a friend of a friend's apartment. It was like super nice. But I did something that kind of ladders back to fashion people and everything we write about online sheet, which is I had a vision There are these pair of boots from the row that are thigh high boots. They're flat. They're the A-W-A-R, a war version. And I have been stocking these boots for like almost a year.

6:09I live in Los Angeles. I cannot wear a pair of thigh high boots anywhere. I never wear skirts here. I wear jeans and T-shirts every single day. Even when I go to a fancy thing, I'm not going to be wearing thigh high boots with a pencil skirt. It's just not going to have it. But I had a vision for my fall trip to New York that I was going to wear pencil skirts with these thigh high boots and they are heavily discounted. Now you can get them like on the real real for 600 bucks. I thought about doing that. And then I decided I'm actually just going to post to Instagram and see if anyone will let me borrow them for a week or I can rent them for a week.

6:47I did it. Someone who lived a block away from where I was staying had them. She had never worn them. was like, yeah, you can just borrow them for a week. You don't have to pay me or anything. I'm not going to wear them. I got, she had gotten them on ridiculous sale on Moda or something. So I borrowed the boots for a week from this woman. Thankfully did not ruin them. It didn't rain, which I was lucky because they are suede. But it was a very funny experiment where I would have paid her like a hundred bucks to borrow them for a week. And I thought, is there a business model where there's like peer to peer rental?

7:26I have been covering this business long enough that I've actually there that has existed before. And it does not really work because it how do you scale that? How do you ship things, logistics? But would you do what I did, which is borrow a pair of shoes from someone that you this person I had met once before. And we have a very close mutual person. so it wasn't like a total stranger but would you have done what i did and do you think this is a good idea i think it's an excellent idea and i would have done that i i think that i always think about this with like formal wear because i never want to like spend a ton of money in a dress that i'm gonna like literally get you know four wears out of um before i start to like hate it and i think that'd be so great i wish it would like it were more normalized to like ask someone hey like we know each other pretty well can I borrow this I agree I I'm an only are you well are you an only child yeah I am also um and I think there is also something of I don't like to bother people for things yeah it's not great you know if I if I take something I'm like I'm taking it and it feels like my friends who have like sisters you know like everything feels so fluid and I'm like oh no no no this belongs to me or it belongs to you yes it's it's a funny experiment but i do think we are so connected on social media we might as well we might as well start using it to our advantage yeah i mean i would you like lend someone something of yours yes i would i think it would depend on what it was and who it was but yes i think like i knew someone who and i don't have like a gazillion followers but I knew that someone who I followed would have these boots and I was correct and other people sent me like vestiared collective postings about them but yes I think I would but I do think as an only child I'd be like okay well what what does that mean I've I've learned I have this amazing Loewe dress that was a dream dress as these giant cream puffed sleeves and I wanted it for my co-author the book I wrote Chantal Fernandez wedding her mother's Spanish I wanted I was like I need to wear this Loewe dress to her she's she's half Spanish like all of that stuff to this wedding and I did end up finding it on the real real for like 700 bucks and I've loaned that dress to people because it's amazing yeah and I I don't know when I'll wear it.

10:08The sleeves are so large that it's very, I couldn't wear it to like a black tie work event because it's too much. Like it will have to be another big wedding where a dress like that would make sense. So yes, it's certain things I would. What about you? I feel like you're so good at the real real in a way that I am not. I'm like not quick enough on the draw, I think. Or I'm like, I also have this idea that the real real will text you more than a man who fumbled you like they will find you faster than the government like through every medium which is so funny to me it's true they're constantly like but you haven't you haven't sold anything recently like i just sent you guys five boxes two weeks ago i don't understand i think look i think if you know very specifically you want a very certain thing i'm not saying it's easy to find it but it is possible so what i am not good at is scanning it and finding like treasures.

11:04I have a couple searches. I have Margiela for Hermes. I have Mariam Nassir because I feel like her shoes and things are hard to find. And there are things that I just missed out on when they were at retail and a couple other posts, Zoran or whatever. I have those, but I think there are people who go on there and spend five hours just scanning. And they are the ones that really find the good stuff but it is not um that's not my strong suit it's more of if i want like if there's something i really really want i'll just every once in a while look the exact thing up and sometimes you get lucky yeah that's me with this um prada cashmere skirt it was like too much to pay retail for it and i've i've seen it on the real real twice and i was too slow both times and I regret it.

12:00If anyone, do you, can you describe it? If anyone sees it, can they send it to Hunter? It's kind of like a scarf that just has like a little clip in the front, but has like the kind of tassels as a scarf. And when I went to the store to try it on for the first time, they're like, oh, you can wear it as a scarf. And I was like, but why would I do that? It's cuter as a skirt. Yeah. But this was from probably like two years ago, but it comes in navy and like a camel and I wish I got the navy. Okay, navy scarf skirt from Prada. If anyone finds it, please DM it to Hunter. Please, I'm begging.

12:40On the subject of boots, our mutual interest, Taylor Swift, has been wearing a lot of them. I was so excited that she went out and about this weekend because it gave, I said, Hunter's coming on. This was, she did it for us. I, okay, the boots are what you're thinking about. I can't tell thinking about the platform Gucci heels with like the Tom Ford outfit. No, I'm sorry, Tom Brown outfit. And it's like, why are you towering over Sabrina Carpenter who's already like short and sweet, literally? So let's zoom out for a minute and discuss Taylor's fashion in particular and what you think as a documentarian of popular culture in 2025 and someone who's surely an expert on Taylor Swift.

13:38She's only the most famous woman in the world. Taylor Swift. Molly, don't cut that out. Taylor Swift as like a person in society. why do you think she dresses like this and and what do you think the point of it is like why do you think she wore those no she knew she was going out with with the tiniest woman alive why did she wear those platforms i'm literally looking up so i have the most recent photos from every angle um okay i think that people are always like well she dresses bad on purpose like because to be like relatable and all of this stuff and i'm gonna say no i think that she truly dresses and things that she likes because when she wears like fashion stuff it's just always like the ugliest thing that gucci has ever made it's always like the most random i don't know like kate screw it's just it's always so like according to her style i think blake lily is like kind of the same way in that where I'm never doubting that like they want to wear this.

14:44But I also don't think it's like a play for relatability because if she wanted to be relatable, there's this one time I think last football season where she wore these like Gucci pattern gloves or something. And that's so like the first thing your like high school nemesis buys when she turns like when she gets real money, you know, quote unquote. Totally. So I do think it's like it's not so, you know, intentional, like Machiavellian how to dress to like get people to like you. I think truly she just wears stuff that she likes. And that stuff is usually not very good. I agree. And I think that is what makes it relatable.

15:22The thing about a lot of her pieces and this we could break down this Tom Brown look, the Gucci platforms, they would look great with a pair of flared jeans. The Tom Brown look on a different person, styled differently, maybe with a pair of flat shoes, or it felt to me like a very summery look. Again, would look fine. Then she puts sheer tights, or you want to wear like a thick wool tight with that look. It's very schoolgirl. It is the way she puts stuff together where I'm just like, honestly, Blake Lively, as atrocious as her clothing is, I think she has better style. Like she knows how to put stuff together.

16:08It's not stuff I would ever wear or anyone I know, but at least you can tell she like really does it with a lot of confidence. The Taylor Swift of it all. It's just one of those things where I think it would just be fun to get in her head and that is why the other outfits from the weekend i i also we need to talk about the fact that she is going to these restaurants and getting photographed on purpose which i don't i need to understand that better and i think you'll you'll understand but but looking at the outfits from the weekend they went to her and travis went to the polo bar and she had on a very boring outfit like it was actually it was super nice it was not um it felt like quiet luxury from two years ago with stella mccartney wool gray slacks you can't call anything but that and a black like boat neck sweater that was very pretty and i thought lovely and and is what uh you know however old she is going to the polar bar with her husband and then she wore a couple like boot and skirt outfits that i thought were cute like it wasn't again wasn't my style but i thought she looked like fun and cute but a what do you like do you think there's a strategy around what she's wearing to the date nights and B why are they going to these like why does she want to get photographed going out to eat that's the part that is honestly the part I don't understand out of all of it like I think you're right that she's just picking clothes she likes but why are they going to corner bar and polo bar and and Lucali and it's just it's too It's just silly.

17:44Like I would go go to Keene's Steakhouse or go to Del Frisco again where you're like in the corner. Why does she think this is a good place to be photographed and to be seen in culture? I think that she really kind of has I think that she likes it I think that she likes putting on a show and whether or not it is like interesting um I do feel like that was sort of the central tension in her relationship with Joe Alwyn according to like her music that works with Travis Kelsey because they both are performers and I think that Travis is as interested and invested in the performance of her life as she is and that's really they really connect and i think now maybe a part of it too is that she finally has someone willing to do these things that she wants to do because you're right they're all choices um and the fact that i mean when i saw the photo of her and the i don't know which restaurant they're going to but the the tights and the mini skirt and i think it was zero bond that was zero bond night maybe first of all why are you going to zero bond do you want to see eric adams second of all when i saw the tights i was like oh my that's like tights that my mom tried to make me wear to like a winter ball when i was 13 like it just looks absolutely nuts they did look i was disturbed by it i was i was disturbed um but i think that i don't know i kind of am honestly a little bit surprised i wonder how this all wrapped back around to the album i wonder why she's like not dressing like showgirl kind of emphasis with this album because with when tortured poets was like at the grammys she was dressing kind of like in that mood in that tone of like a little bit emo a little bit kind of um like lots of kind of like lacy stuff like corset stuff and i wonder why she's like not really honestly maybe that's the biggest thing i can say about the album is that she's dressing as lackluster as the music do you think that she will be wearing showgirl looks for the tour that she does or is she not going to do a tour with this album she's not touring this she said oh because she's gonna do potentially do the no she's not that was a rumor that she was going to do the thing in vegas that seems scary that people go to oh the sphere the sphere yeah i I think that was just a rumor that was debunked.

20:18Yeah. I'm also like she just served a life sentence on the heirs tour. She's about to plan a wedding. I'm like, I mean, one woman can only do so much. But then again, I will never limit the abilities of tree pain, her publicist. An incredible woman. So really quickly, what is your prediction for Travis and Taylor for their wedding? What they'll wear? I don't know. I think she'll be Oscar de la Renta. And I think he'll be... I'm sad that he's left behind a lot of his HBCU core outfits. I'm sure he'll be against something like just a boring tux. Yeah, we will see. I agree on the Oscar de la Renta, although you know that the two designers of Oscar de la Renta are leaving.

21:08And they're leaving in February. So I feel like the last hurrah needs to be for Fernando in particular, who works with a lot of the celebrities on Fernando and Laura. Fernando is the one who kind of works with more of the celebs. I wonder if his last hurrah will be dressing Taylor for something, at least one part of the wedding. But I don't see her understanding that like, girl, it's time to do Chanel couture. Like this is the time, this is if you're gonna do it, this is when you do it is for your wedding. I love Oscar de Laurent and I hope that they do a lot of looks for around, someone else just got married and they didn't do the dress, but they did the day before or something, some famous person, I can't remember.

21:56But I wonder if she'll have the understanding that this is when you get the couture thing. But I don't think she will. I don't. Yeah, I don't think so. I won't be holding my breath. Okay, you know who has an understanding of couture? It's Timothee Chalamet. Or Timote Chalamet. Yes. I don't know how you actually pronounce it. What did you think of his recent cover of Vogue magazine? um i did not like it i guess i was like sort of more moved by it as like this is anna's last cover right well is it anna's last cover because this is the thing it it it was sort of everybody was like it's her last cover it's her last cover but what i have heard from people is that it sounds like chloe mal's really gonna be taking control of the covers next for the summer like They work so far ahead of time.

22:58So late spring, early summer, Chloe's going to really be in charge. And also, Anna still has approval of all this stuff. And actually, someone I know who shall remain nameless, my husband, was at Balthazar on Friday morning. And Anna and Annie Leibovitz were there marking stuff up. So they were obviously working on something. I don't know if it was a cover or a shoot or something. But it did feel, it was interesting. I don't know if they do this every time, but I got like an editor's note in an email from Anna, which doesn't seem like a common thing. Saying what? Let me look it up. I was like, did she send this to me personally?

23:41Obviously not. But it was just from like the issue. Let's see. Okay, that's her actual email, not this thing that I got. Anna Wintour, Timoth Chalamet. And it was just like in this issue. Oh, introducing the December issue. And it's just basically like it shouts out the great writer, Maddie Kahn, who did the cover and, and mentions that Annie Leibowitz traveled all the way to Michael Heitzer's land art masterpiece in the Nevada desert city to shoot him which like okay great it looks like it's a studio so I don't understand what the point was I don't it yeah apparently there are it's like if you look at the photos inside they're incredible but yeah and there are they're like masterpieces but for some reason they may they did this cover at first I was just kind of like okay I don't what do you what am I gonna say about this cover it just doesn't I it didn't it didn't even register to me until people started emailing me being like are you not gonna say anything about it and I was like oh I think it looks very like AI which is unfortunate but the other thing is like when I first saw the cover I was like oh this is like like Dune promo starting like really really early because it feels more in line with like that kind of like alternate universe like spacey sci-fi the fact that this is the cover for marty supreme which is not like that at all yeah um have you seen it feel yeah i have i heard it's awesome i cannot wait i love it but even like even this i mean i don't think this is like there's not like you know how like uh anka jim's like that sort of myth mystic quality with the rock itself like with the gym this doesn't really have that and so i don't that kind of like metaphysical layer feels so strange yeah this cover supporting that movie but i did um see something that was like it was a couple weeks ago like you can tell that tempting chalamet is a student of like the kanye west promo cycle totally and that's so true and also i think a generation of boys is really still reeling from losing Kanye.

26:11And so you that can tell. I agree. My dear Jacob Gallagher, a frequent guest on Fashion People, wrote in his column about the Vogue thing. He was very nice about it. I would argue too nice. But I guess, you know, he had some really good insights that made up for the niceness. But he mentioned Kanye and that this just like kind of all sort of goes back to that. And he said, there's something very yeezus about Mr. Chalamet's image lately. He was, last month he was photographed in a pair of tan tactical boots that were near dupes of what Ye wore a decade ago. So there's definitely this moment of, and I see that generally of like 2010, 2011, 2012.

27:00Well, 2011, Phoebe Philo and Kanye at the CFDA Awards and me going up to Kanye asking him, are you launching a fashion brand? And him just laughing.

27:14But yes, it's it's interesting. I guess everything everything comes back and maybe it's do you do you feel this means we are there's like another Kanye comeback on the way? or do you think that we have, he's in his early 40s. He's pretty young still. Do you think that we're going to have another Kanye renaissance? I think absolutely. I mean, for better or for worse, I think it's coming. I was just talking to my friends about this, how the songs from Bully, the new album keeps getting delayed. The songs that he released over the summer were not bad and not in the way that like they really feel more like he hasn't made music this good since like life of Pablo like um and then I also think in some ways did you watch the doc that was like in like it was in theaters for like a couple weeks um as a just curious person I watched it and I was surprised by how it is like a really interesting portrait of an artist it's not like the one on Netflix that was awful it is like really uh at sometimes like distressing to watch stressful to watch but i think it also shows how unwell he was yes for a long time and i think in some ways that does sort of bolster a case for him to like make his way back into the limelight because then it's it's i don't think it's like a coincidence that after he like goes through this like goes to talk to some rabbis like apologized to them that he also is brought on stage by travis scott and like the songs that he plays with travis are like songs from like like through the wire that to me is like someone who is trying to appeal and find his way back to people's good graces yeah i recently talked to a mutual friend of ours who said without i i'm not gonna be reporting on kanye's well-being But what what this person said was that he's in a really good place with the help of different things, including his wife.

29:19So we'll see. It's it's interesting.

29:26OK, really quick. I want to talk about the future of magazines, but really quickly, maybe like a little what's that called? lightning round rapid fire rapid fire of two subjects that I've had a lot of requests for and you've written about recently Miss Lily Allen what do you think obviously she's been on quite the the tour for her album and and her rage against her ex-partner or husband or whatever he was in there Carol Gardens uh brownstone but what do you think of her fashion during this breakup season. She wore an amazing Colleen Allen look to the CFDAs that was like, it wasn't even a crop top.

30:10It was just like a bandeau top and it really showed her entire torso and she looked fabulous. And I love Colleen Allen. She's so good, makes really sexy, beautiful things. But I'm curious, like in the midst of all this, what do you think about how she's been like presenting herself physically? That's the only look that I've seen her and I really liked it. I liked it too, that it wasn't I think some like post breakup things go for like super severe like some kind of hard angle empowerment kind of thing I like that it was like sort of delicate and so subdued but like also very sexy I mean her body looks crazy like she looks so good yeah it does she looked so good um and people like that album right I haven't listened yeah yeah oh yeah in it lemonade totally i'm gonna i'm gonna listen at some point um okay the other person that people that you wrote about recently that everyone wants my opinion on is sydney sweeney and i i got many dms about this gq interview she did have you watched it no i won't be doing that and it's like i just i'm so tired of this it's it's like day 800 of talking about her i also wait i speaking at magazines, I want to know what you think of the GQ dozen plus men of the year covers.

31:33Look, I am I'm very pro GQ for many reasons, because and mostly because I think that if you're going to operate a mainstream magazine at a hellhole like Conde Nast, which just fired four people for going to ask the head of HR what was up with all the all the layoffs. like I think that they they try to do something that is people are will talk about it it's not always good um but I think that they are trying to be in the culture in a way that like literally no other magazine at one of those legacy publishers is Hearst or Condé Nast and that you got to respect and I love the Taylor I mean not Taylor uh Travis Kelsey cover style by La Roche So I still they have a lot of goodwill from me from that cover in particular.

32:25What did you think about them? I also love GQ. No, I just felt like, what do you get a Calendly link to get a GQ Men of the Year cover? Like it was it's too it's too much. And I kind of feel like we have to choose between Hailey Bieber or Sydney Sweeney because narratively, I think they're both kind of telling the same story. and I mean the fact that Clips gets a Man of the Year cover like that is like the purpose of this magazine like I'm so into that I'm so into um I guess I don't know like SZA getting one was like kind of random by like I love SZA she gives a great quote every time so that I was into but the Stephen Colbert really I think I don't know I think we all need to kind of like get a grip with him.

33:11Yeah. Especially after his whole drama was completely superseded by Kimmel. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe they should have had them both. But like, that's what happens when you are doing stuff four months ahead of time. Yeah. Yeah. Have all the covers come out yet? Do we know? Because there is some. They've announced everyone, but I don't think all the covers have come out okay let me just see um if they have they really announced every single one of them i don't want to scoop this from someone if it hasn't been announced there was someone who is going to be on one of the covers who i saw at san vicente bungalows on um on friday night and looked way better in person i was like oh my god you are a very good looking man oh my god unfortunately i think this person i don't know if the was it seth rogan no no i don't think i would go that far but yeah look like gq and esquire are both trying to find out how to be a man and i don't know if you heard but men have no friends there is a crisis i wrote recently that men were back because the whole cover of vanity fair Hollywood issue is internet boyfriends.

34:26It's all men. So do we know that for sure? For I, yes, I have confirmed that they have not confirmed it, but I have confirmed it. It's coming out next week or this week. So we'll, I think next week. So we'll, we'll see. But, um, but yeah, so it's like men are back, but also they're in crisis. And what are they going to do? Especially now that But like, you know, you know, we don't need them. So, but it's yeah, it's complicated. Look, so more broadly, do you think about you write for a lot of magazines? Obviously, you do amazing cover story. You're one of the last great cover story writers. Oh, my gosh, you're too nice.

35:06No, it's true. I mean, that stuff is hard to do. They're usually so boring and like so dumb and no one cares. And you do a great job with them. And I think people still want to have an outsider's point of view of celebrity. And you are uniquely skilled. But do you read magazines for pleasure? Because I had, the reason I wanted to discuss this, and I wrote about it a bit in Line Sheet on Monday, is last week I was just inundated with print media, being in New York, being around a lot of magazine editors. But then also I went to Casa Magazines. I went to iconic magazines. I went to Climax Books and looked around.

35:53But the thing that I did that just threw me off my chair was I went to Library 180. Do you know about this? No. It's in 180 Maiden Lane. So it's a building that's owned by the people who own WSA. So just imagine it looks very similar to that. Totally. But it's it's these two two people were interns together at V years ago. Stephen Chaykin, who owns a small talent. Well, I don't want to call it small, but like a boutique talent agency now. And then Nikki Eagle or Eagle, who is an archivist. She's Pat McGrath's archivist and has done a lot of interesting work. And they basically they're they're renting this space in 180 Main Lane.

36:36You have to get it's by appointment only. they've have like they're super well connected people so they have archives of magazines of like they have every single colors ever they have all the old details from the 80s they have every visionary because steven worked for those guys for a long time they have this george wayne zine that he made forever like it is and then a bunch of books fashion and art books too and they've been doing a lot of like small exhibitions having a lot of talks there and it's a library nothing's for sale the only thing that is for sale is this book that nicky edited that is old restaurant advertisements there's like a mr chow one shot by helmet newton from the early like late 80s early 90s it is i because i'm 43 so like i grew up in the mid-90s.

37:32I wanted to work in magazines. I wanted to be an editor at a magazine and go to the shows and write about the shows quarterly and all that stuff. And I just felt amazing. It felt so good. I was there for an hour. I just looked through magazines. I'm coming back to New York in December. I'm going to book two hours for myself to just be in there alone and just go through stuff but I felt so inspired and so like which I can't I barely read magazines now like I can't engage I'll buy them at the airport I'll buy a couple when I'm in New York or London or Paris or whatever you can't get them in LA anywhere and then I'll try to sit down and like go through them and I can't like register but being there it felt like a brain massage it was so amazing and I'm just curious like I don't know exactly how old you are I'm sure you're much younger than me but like when you were growing up was your dream to work in magazines and be like what's your sort of relationship as a consumer with magazines now yeah I think I mean it's you know makes me sad that we're talking about this after the Teen Vogue stuff because Teen Vogue was an iconic magazine to me I look forward I looked forward to it every month and not only like I mean I grew up Oklahoma and so there wasn't a huge like any fashion culture there but I just felt so like it was so nice to get my like team up with Natalie Portman or like Scarlett Johansson on the cover Emma Watson or something in the mail and I sort of think that like in some ways the collapse of celebrity has also collapsed like someone who it's just funny that we're talking about this because I've in the shower I was thinking like if Sydney Sweeney had come out you know like 20 years ago she would have like done a team boat cover but now because it's today she like does the GQ of the year cover and you know for better or for worse but um oh my god yeah teen vogue was also folded last week i totally forgot we did tie i talked about it with derek on on tuesday last i'm so i'm so sad about it still and i that was like such an i like that was a job that i really wanted i wanted to work in vogue i wanted to work at gq i wanted to work in new york magazine that's how i got into reading magazines, I think, in a serious way.

39:51But I collect, I mean, calling it collection is like, I just find magazines on eBay that I would want to read and just buy them. A lot of old like vibe magazines, a lot of old like GQ magazines. But I guess right now I only really read like New York mag and GQ and sometimes The New Yorker. I read The Times magazine too, but But it's like, you know, I was this is actually I cannot wait to hear you think of this. I was talking to a like young person. I'm 31. He's like 21. And it was like a friend of a friend who like, you know, want to get coffee and talk about magazines. And I was like, do you isn't digital cover meaningful to you?