We’ll Always Have Paris

14:40Lauren:Why polarizing?

14:41Jason Stewart:Some people were like, you were so mean to Derek. Other people were like, Derek hates you. It was awesome.

14:48Lauren:Wow, I agree with both responses. Roland, I'm so happy to be back. Thank you for having me.

14:54Jason Stewart:I'm so happy for you to be here. How is your Paris Fashion Week so far?

14:58Lauren:Paris Fashion Week is incredible. I'm feeling very inspired. It's been great, right? Very well-rested. The weather has been fantastic. I sat out of Milan this season because for the first time ever, I'm going to go to the Salon A. Design Fair. And so I thought...

15:13Jason Stewart:Oh, I'm going to be there too.

15:15Lauren:Wow. Sequel. Number three, coming in hot.

15:20Jason Stewart:I think we have to do it, actually.

15:23Lauren:So I came in here fresh as a daisy. So I hit the ground running.

15:27Jason Stewart:What are you going to do at Salone?

15:30Lauren:Well, I don't know. It's my first time. What should I do in Salone? Have you been before?

15:34Jason Stewart:Do you want to go to a... No, but my husband has been and I have lots of friends that go. Would you like to come to my Puck private dinner?

15:44Lauren:Wow. I feel like I'm being put on the spot. So I'm going to say yes here and I'll let you know the real answer later. How about that?

15:50Jason Stewart:Sounds good. I know there's a lot going on.

15:53Lauren:Ralph Lauren has a dinner in this incredible Palazzo they have there. Martina Mondadori of Cabana Magazine. I am told she sort of runs the joint. And she has this incredible Mon Giardino design department in Central Milan. Mon Giardino is my fantasy decorator. And I know T Magazine does a big thing. I am told the best part of Salone is that it's much more democratic feeling than Fashion Week. There's few things that are invite only, velvet rope, exclusive. So I'm happy to, and I love Milan. So I'll see you soon, Milan. Sorry I missed your fashion week.

16:31Jason Stewart:You might not be able to come to my dinner if you are going to one of those other dinners because they probably are the same night. But it isn't the same night as tea because I wanted to go to tea as well. But we'll discuss afterwards. Yeah, I think it's, I've heard that it's super fun. I do think it's a little crazy there during this period because I know that my, my housing, my, the apartment I stay in was much more expensive during Saloni than it is during Milan fashion week. So I think it's a little bit more of a nutty scene in terms of, I don't think you're going to be able to get a cap is what I would say, but I think it's a much more fun vibe.

17:11Lauren:The hotels are also very expensive. The hotels are much more expensive than fashion week too. So what does that tell us? What can we infer?

17:19Jason Stewart:I don't know. No, I'm excited for your dispatch on the next, the Salone episode of Fashion People. Me too. Let's talk Paris. So you skip Milan. Should we just, do you want to talk about your favorite shows of the week? Should we just kind of go through the week and start out with Dior, which was, that was before Saint Laurent, right? So like that was sort of the beginning of it for me. I don't know about you.

17:44Lauren:Dior and Saint Laurent were on the same day and both, I thought, super immersive fashion experiences, obviously to much different results. Dior was sunny and tropical, and we all felt like hothouse orchids sitting in our chairs watching the collection inspired by water lilies and that incredible fountain in the middle of the Tuileries, that special runway constructed on top of it. And then, of course, Saint Laurent always shows the women's wear collections in the Trocadero and they built a sexy, clean, minimal glass box. Did you see at the end of the runway they built an oversized version of a bust that Pierre Bruget and YSL owned?

18:34Jason Stewart:Oh, interesting.

18:35Lauren:Those are the kind of shows that I am excited to come to in Paris. there are big productions booming soundtracks lots of looks especially in the case of Dior a lot of merch a lot of great accessories bags for women of all ages I think Jonathan Anderson is doing an incredible job and I imagine LVMH is very pleased with his appointment there because of all the stuff women my friends of all ages are really? Yeah You sound more skeptical. What was your take?

19:09Jason Stewart:Well, no, I mean, I love the collection. The interesting thing, you know who wore a Dior look this week was Ricky DeSole, and she looked amazing. She had like the little bar jacket from the first collection, and it was perfect.

19:25Lauren:Did she look better than Harry Styles at the Grammys?

19:28Jason Stewart:She did. And the bar jacket? He looked amazing, best dressed at the Grammys, and I think honestly their best red carpet effort to date. but she looked great. And I was like, okay, now I see this on a person in real life and it feels really, really good. I thought it was interesting. I went to the pre-show interview in the morning and it was so helpful because Jonathan Anderson is a very articulate person and brilliant and has a lot of things to say about the industry. And it sort of guided my coverage for the week, all the things he said about the way they think about product. And one thing he mentioned was you know, the, what they made for the runway is like, I don't know, probably 500 of thousands of pieces of clothing and accessories and things for every season that they do.

20:16Jason Stewart:You know, it's not just those 12 collections, it's a pre ski collection. It's all this stuff. And, um, yeah, I think to me, I, I really liked the couture as well. To me, this felt the clearest of what he's proposing that you should wear if you shop Dior. And I also thought it was extremely pretty, which my, the first collection in particular, I felt, it felt too strained to me, whereas this just felt so pretty and so dimensional and the fabrics were beautiful. And the one thing I will say is that like looking at it straight on, on in the images, it looked better in person. And I wondered if I didn't go to the first show, like I wondered if I had seen the first show, would I've liked it more?

21:05Jason Stewart:Like sometimes you see a show in photos and you like it more than you like it in person. But with the, with his work there in particular, I think it's so textural too, that it does make a difference to see it in person. And, and then I also, you know, I went, I've been doing a lot of like retail, checking out retail, not shopping too much, but just checking stuff out. And at Selfridges, they had a pop-up of his first collection. And I thought the retail looked really good too. But yeah, it seems like it's really working now and sort of falling into place. And it was so confident. And I loved Saint Laurent too.

21:43Jason Stewart:I think Saint Laurent is so influential on kind of how women dress today. And I also like that that felt like a home, the way they set up the glass. It was two glass boxes, which was funny too. One day, two mega brands, two glass boxes. But the Saint Laurent one, it felt like we were in someone's house. And I liked that. And it made me also think, wow, they have so much opportunity in home as well.

22:11Lauren:Well, they've done a couple of collaborations. It is Charlotte Perignon collaboration. Maybe they did a Purvey collaboration. And I guess not to mention they've done all of their films and movies. So I guess there's something to be said about designers and brands looking to do more than just shoes and handbags and cocktail dresses.

22:31Jason Stewart:Yeah, you got to build a world. What else did you like this week? There's been And so much, it's just overwhelming. Every day it's a different story. I could write 5 ,000 words a day on this stuff.

22:48Lauren:I loved The Row, which was the next day. Gorgeous. The Row Woman had some more polish and a few less layers this season. It felt more of an uptown sophisticate, which I love. that day also had Tom Ford Peter Moulier's last show for Aliyah were you at the Aliyah show I was not that was very emotional it was beautiful

23:16Jason Stewart:I went to the recine the next day and it was gorgeous

23:19Lauren:but to be in that room Peter also invited a lot of students to come see the collection when he did that phenomenal Guggenheim show in New York which I think was winter 23 or winter 24 and so he invited students to this show. And I think doing that adds so much enthusiasm and excitement into the air because we have these people who have such a genuine passion. And of course, it was his last show and Matthew Balzé was there and Ralph Simmons was there. And everyone's very emotional at his bow. I'm very excited, of course, to see what he's going to do at Versace, but he was so good at Eliah. So there was, um, it was a bittersweet moment.

23:59Jason Stewart:Same. I, I was at the Guggenheim show and that it was, it is nice to have, it felt like I just, from the imagery that I saw from the show that it was very stuffed, which it, with people who are very enthusiastic, which is always like a nice way to end it. Like it's emotional and all that. I would say that, you know, going to see the collection and he's so good at shoes and bags too, which is going to be so helpful at Versace. But the one thing I would say is like, as, as sad as it is, and people love his Alaya and I was a big customer of it. I bought two dresses and a jacket, which is like all of my budget for a year.

24:45Jason Stewart:Um, what I would say is that like stuff also runs its course. And sometimes, like he was there for four years. It's kind of a nice capsule of a time in fashion. And maybe it's okay that he's moving on and someone else comes in and he's going to have so much more resources and so much more infrastructural support at Versace that like, he's capable of so much. And I'm excited to see what he can do with a brand that to me is truly the Chanel of Italy and has so much potential that a lot of lies of precious brand, but it's a small brand and it may never be big just because of the way it's managed.

25:30Jason Stewart:And, um, so I think it's, it seemed like a nice end.

25:34Lauren:I don't disagree with any of that, but I think we have to push back on saying that four years as an acceptable tenure for a designer. I'm one of those people who was getting frustrated by the musical chairs. Carl Lagerfeld was at Fendi for half a century. He started at Chanel in 1982 and he passed away in 2019. I always admire designer appointments that stand the test of time when you have good ideas, when you have bad ideas. But having said all that, I'll be excited to see what Peter does at Versace. And I hope he's there for many, many, many years.

26:11Jason Stewart:Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I agree. I think that like, I understand what you're saying, but I think that sometimes by the end of Karl Lagerfeld at Chanel, for instance, there were two things that was about, the spectacle of the show and then the commercial. It wasn't about kind of adding to the fashion conversation. And I do think sometimes they are so much more. And also Karl Lagerfeld is like a unique person who can produce a lot and his brain could handle it. A la Jonathan Anderson. I think some people, who knows? Like Peter might have stayed at Aliyah for another five years or another 10 years and done much more and expanded that world.

27:00Jason Stewart:but I think like it kind of reminds me of a TV show and sometimes TV shows last too long and sometimes they end early and you're sort of like sad, like my so-called life only one season. Daria Vitale only one season, but I think like,

27:18Lauren:so Daria Vitale is Jordan Catalano.

27:22Jason Stewart:Jordan, Jordan Catalano. But I think sometimes it's just like, okay, this is what it was and we should just be happy that it existed in, in this capsule of time instead of, you know what I mean? Like thinking they should be here for this amount or they shouldn't when maybe it shouldn't be so focused on the designer themselves and more on the sort of architecture of the brand or what have you. But I see what you're saying.

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28:59Lauren:The next day was the Chloe show, which I thought was the hottest ticket of Paris Fashion Week. There were so many people in that.

29:06Jason Stewart:Did you like it?

29:07Lauren:I love what Shamina does. After the show, I asked her if she knew what a big deal Oprah is and how cool it would be to have Oprah at her show. And she said that Oprah is actually a big Chloe customer, which I was happy to hear. By the way, Oprah has gone to as many shows as I have. She's been very present at Paris Fashion Week this season.

29:30Jason Stewart:She's shopping? I hope so. Did you ask her why?

29:36Lauren:Did I ask Shamina or did I ask Oprah? You have to ask her.

29:38Jason Stewart:I bet she'll be at Chanel.

29:40Lauren:I saw some pictures of her walking out of the Ritz with Lena Nair, the CEO of Chanel. So I think you're right. I think we will be seeing her tonight at 7 p.m. Of course, we're recording this before the Chanel show, so we won't be able to talk about that. But yes, I'm looking forward to seeing her at that show, too.

29:59Jason Stewart:I also heard from people who have seen the Chanel that it looked really good. Obviously, that's what everyone's really waiting for is the Chanel show. Maybe you'll be seated next to Oprah and you can ask her what she placed for her personal order for all these different things.

30:15Lauren:Well, watch this space. Follow my sub stack to see what Oprah is buying from Chanel tonight at the show.

30:21Jason Stewart:What did you think of Givenchy?

30:23Lauren:I like Givenchy. I thought that was Sarah Burton's best collection for that brand yet. There were some incredible dresses that I thought would look good on red carpets in the steps of the Met Gala. You seem a little more skeptical. I think she's doing an amazing – well, I didn't love it.

30:41Jason Stewart:But I think she's doing an amazing job with the red carpet. I think it's the best red carpet that's going on right now. and I don't know how much budget they have, but it's definitely not as much as some of the other brands. And I just think they are, it's, it looks really fantastic. They always had great red carpet with Ricardo Tishi as well and Claire Wade color. Um, but I think it's really, it really works for me on the red carpet and it makes a lot of sense. The proposition of it makes a lot of sense. I think something that Jonathan said in that pre-show interview was fine, find trying to find he said something about finding the why of like why something should exist um and he is figuring that out for what that means a dior with like the the hand feel and knowing that like the finish is a dior finish or whatever i think that's a question a lot of these brands need to be asking um like the why why why should someone shop this your brand versus another brand.

31:47Jason Stewart:Like, what are you bringing to the table? And that is, that's something that I've been thinking about a lot the last few days of what is like Celine, I think is answering that question really well. Like they are making a softer bag than everyone else. Their shoes are the exact right shape of shoe you want. The details on the lining of the trench is right. It just feels like, yes, I know exactly who the person is that's buying that and why.

32:26Lauren:Celine was one of my favorite shows so far this week. I think all that stuff is super optimistic and fresh. And I think I always tease Harper's Bazaar's editor-in-chief, Sabir Nazar, that she's the muse at Selene because it's always with a wink, spot of color. I'm happy for Michael Ryder. And he always has a really incredible front row. I was sitting across from Gus Van Sant. I think that's how I say it, right? Gus Van Sant, the private Idaho director. So I loved being at that show. another highlight for me was going to the French Palace to see

33:16Lauren:and truth be told Oprah said that was the real reason that she had come to Paris from Hawaii but I guess while you're in Paris might as well hit up a few shows too right

33:29Jason Stewart:Did you go to that big gala as well at the Louvre?

33:34Lauren:I did not go to the Louvre gala.

33:36Jason Stewart:It's very chic.

33:38Lauren:Did you? I went last year.

33:39Jason Stewart:But I guess it's. No, I didn't go.

33:42Lauren:I went last year. But this year it overlapped.

33:45Jason Stewart:I'm good, I think.

33:47Lauren:This year it overlapped with the YSL show.

33:52Jason Stewart:Ah, okay. That's too bad. Well, next year they need to figure that out because they need you to be there for sure.

34:01Lauren:A tricky time for the Louvre. Did you see the crown? Tricky time. I was so saddened. The Louvre released the pictures of the crown that was stolen and accidentally discarded by the thieves. Oh, my. And it was crumbled and had been run over. so it was um and then of course the the head of the lube tried to step down in the wake of the robbery and it sounded like president macron did not accept her resignation but after deeper investigations there are a lot of issues at the lube so then ultimately she did step down so i hope whoever was at that party had a nice time because i think the lube has some work to do over there.

34:48Jason Stewart:There's actually a great airmail story about the situation there that everyone should read. What else? Oh, Loewe.

34:58Lauren:I'm so excited for those guys. I have been friends with Jack and Lazaro since I was in college. And it's been so exciting to see them move to Paris and start this incredible new chapter. And I'm sure you know this, but that show was the first time they showed menswear looks. And so it looks like they're getting their sea legs or stretching their sea legs or whatever nautical appendage analogy we can use here. But were you seated by a stuffed animal from the artist?

35:33Jason Stewart:No, I wasn't. I was across from a stuffed animal. I was in between I just actually we talked There was across from The stuffy across from me I believe was a lobster I can't remember I was actually Jason Stewart came on right before you to discuss Because he and Chris Black who apparently you've never been on their podcast You need to go on it They were flown to Paris for the Loewe show in particular and I did think it was funny that there were stuffed animals in the front row. I know they're pieces of art, but they also did take seats.

36:16Lauren:It was the artist, Kasima von Bonen, who created those stuffed animals. Were you surprised that Jason and Chris had been flown in for the Loewe show?

36:25Jason Stewart:They were very fun.

36:26Lauren:I listened to their podcast recapping their trip to Paris for the Loewe show today on my walk to Barry's boot camp. Sounded like they had a good time.

36:34Jason Stewart:that's a very crisp thing to be doing going to Barry's boot camp in Europe but um yeah they had a great time and I I was saying to Jason I thought that the front row or actually the all of the seating at Loebay because there were I think only two rows I thought it was so great like it wasn't they really mixed people up in a way that and I actually mentioned how like you are seated often by Eva Chen. You and I, some days we'll be seated together multiple times, which is fine. But like, usually they kind of stick all the New York Times people with the New York Times people, the Wall Street Journal with the Wall Street Journal, the Vogue with the Vogue.

37:14Jason Stewart:And it felt much more mixed up this at Loewe. I thought that their front row was awesome. And, and, and I thought the show was great. And, but, you know, I've been in, I went to the Avenue Montaigne store and then also went to Casa Loewe on Roussan Honoré today, which is like their brand new renovated store. And I thought it looked really good. And the product just looked so good from the first collection. Like I wanted to buy a jacket, a skirt. I thought about buying a sweater. I didn't buy anything because I'm figuring out my budget because Chanel, but I wanted to buy a bunch of stuff. And I thought it looked, I tried on a dress the other day.

37:58Jason Stewart:It looked amazing.

37:59Lauren:Lauren, let's double click on that. What is your budget? What is your seasonal shopping budget? I would like a dollar amount.

38:06Jason Stewart:My seasonal shopping budget is whatever I can do and not be in debt and also pay all my mortgage and all my other shit.

38:13Lauren:Give me a range. Give me a range.

38:15Jason Stewart:And save money and all of that. This is what I will say. I wasn't going to buy anything this season or maybe like one. There's a jacket I want from Loewe that I will get at some point in the next nine months. But the jacket I wanted from Chanel that I was talking to your friend Lauren Santo Domingo about the other night. I'm not going to say it out loud, but what I will say is that it is less than half of what I originally thought it would be. And so with a discount and the VAT returned. It's like a quarter of what it was on the line sheet. And I want this jacket so badly. So I am going to get it for myself.

38:54Jason Stewart:And that's going to be the thing I get this season.

38:56Lauren:I love I love hearing my girlfriends rationalize and itemize their fashion purchases. It's half as much as I thought it would be. And with the VAT.

39:07Jason Stewart:Well, Lauren was like, do you want to split? We should split the jacket.

39:11Lauren:But it's fascinating to hear how.

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41:34Lauren:I don't think I am destined to buy anything from Chanel.

41:38Jason Stewart:I heard they made the shoes in men's sizes. Do they? It's not for you.

41:43Lauren:I have not seen a men's shoe. Apparently there was a rumor.

41:46Jason Stewart:Jose from Vanity Fair said this.

41:49Lauren:If I could look like Jacob Elordi wearing Chanel, I'd wear it all. But sadly, I don't know if that's my destiny. I'd look more like Frankenstein. Zing.

42:01Jason Stewart:I think you would look great. Have a lot of your friends bought stuff. I saw Samira today in her Chanel jacket. it feels like everybody bought something the last few days.

42:12Lauren:I did see a lot of people posting from the last three days. I guess this is, I guess the first Matu delivery arrived in shops two days ago. So there was a line outside. And so all the girls were pulling strings to get in there. I like that. I'm happy to hear that there is now sort of a frenzied return to buying the day that it comes out and going to stores and having experiential retail. Yeah. As a business

42:42Jason Stewart:reporter, I am sad that the numbers are not going to be published until 2027, but it's exciting. I was like, oh, wow, this worked. And that's great. I went into the Royale store and was able to try on my jacket, which was already sold out at Cambon. So I got really lucky because they only had it one left in the two sizes that I was like, I could wear either size.

43:09Lauren:It sounds like you got the jacket, but the jacket has been acquired. Well, the, the jacket is waiting for me at the store, so I need to go get it.

43:18Jason Stewart:But yeah, I'm very excited. It's, um, it's a real moment. It's my second, it's, it's the first thing I bought from full price from Chanel since 2010, when I bought a Chanel flat bag.

43:32Lauren:you haven't bought anything from chanel in 16 years

43:37Jason Stewart:nope but i have a black lambskin flat bag that is gorgeous and i love it and i have a chanel jacket that i bought secondhand at rissi but um no i have not bought one thing from chanel in that period i wasn't really a chanel girl i appreciated it but i wasn't i know why you were saying such

43:59Lauren:disparaging things about Karl Lagerfeld.

44:05Jason Stewart:I'm just saying the truth. You know, Derek, I speak the truth. That's why I'm not invited to every fashion show.

44:12Lauren:You do speak your truth, Lauren. I don't know if it's the truth, but I am here to support it. I speak my truth. Are you back? Are you back in all the shows now?

44:21Jason Stewart:Most of them. If I'm not banned from one show every fashion week, something's wrong. I'm not doing my job. That's my feeling.

44:30Lauren:That's one career goal. Sure. Yes.

44:33Jason Stewart:Should I be banned is a question. No, but like, you know, this is how the industry works and I'm fine with it. I personally had a great week. I got to go to all the shows I wanted to go to.

44:50Lauren:I think it's the prerogative of the designers to invite whomever they want to invite. There's no freedom of the press in the fashion business.

44:57Jason Stewart:It seems like that's the case now. Yeah. The press is freer this season, that's for sure. I know this was the season of I really got lucky. I got to go to all the shows I wanted to go to, and they were good, which is, you know, sometimes they're not.

45:16Lauren:I do think this week has been incredible. I've been super inspired. Yeah.

45:23Jason Stewart:it also feels like everyone's settled it's like the the dust settled or the the the powder settled on the mountain like it was the the last season was so wild and so this season it was kind of everyone settling in and showing what they're really worth and I think a lot not everyone delivered but I think a lot of them did and that was that was exciting um one other thing I want wanted to ask you about. Did we go through all the super amazing shows? I mean, obviously, we love, did you love Tom Ford as much as I did?

46:03Lauren:You told me Tom Ford was your favorite show. I am such a Heider Ackerman fan, and I thought it was an incredible, I loved what Heider does, period. I loved the legacy of Tom Ford, exclamation point. And so that show for me was definitely memorable. But it was it was funny of all the shows you said this was your favorite one. I was intrigued that you were so inspired by it. Why do you think that is?

46:31Jason Stewart:I liked I thought that it was I think when we discussed it, it probably was the day after the show. So that was Thursday and there were many more shows to come. But I would say I would it still was my look, here's the thing I think people want right now. They want great clothes that they can wear in their life somehow. And what he's proposing is for, I'm not saying special occasion, but like a more dressed up life. But I thought the colors, the silhouettes, the, if you're going to buy a suit, you're going to buy it from him. I, and also the thing about Tom Ford women's previously, which I really liked, it was very eccentric.

47:16Jason Stewart:What I think Hyder Ackerman is doing is it's not, um, it's still specific, but it feels more again, in the conversation of like how real people dress. And if I was, you know, if I needed a bunch of suits, that's where I would go. If I needed, I also thought the styling was really interesting in that it was kind of old school in the way you could see people taking the styling of those clothes and using it in real life, whereas Celine just feels like real life. The styling of the Haider show felt like, oh, I could take these ideas of the banker striped shirt under the sweater with the sheer skirt and try to make that outfit myself.

48:10Jason Stewart:And it felt like very prescriptive and instructional. So you could just like create those outfits with stuff you have in your wardrobe or what have you. Whereas Michael at Celine, I think, is like reflecting how people dress already, people with style. And you could do the same thing like on Sunday night, I like took a bunch of stuff in my wardrobe and tried to create one of the Celine outfits for dinner. but I think there was something like very editorial. Like I could see all the Tom Ford stuff on the cover of L in 1999 or whatever. It felt like old school in this really fun way or in a, in a fresh way.

48:53Jason Stewart:And I also loved that it was a bright white box, which like a, you could see the clothes, you could photograph them really well. And it also exposed every single person in the audience for what they really are because it was at 7 p.m. on a Wednesday night. And it's before you go home to like do your makeup. It's you've been out all day. You feel terrible. And so you could just like see everyone's age, which I loved. It's just a fun. It was a fun. It was a great show. And it like was exactly what that brand should be, which is a growing part of the Zenia group and, you know, a cash cow for rest a lotter.

49:33Jason Stewart:So I just thought he really, um, nailed the assignment.

49:40Lauren:I saw that Samuel Hein wrote for GQ that those were the jeans, the season's best jeans. Everyone wants these Tom Ford jeans, which I liked. I love those jeans. And I also have to, I agree with everything you said, but I also want to call out that I loved the presentation. I love the casting And I love, I'm such a sucker for 90s era model formations, multiple exits, three men doing the fake walking to work, holding the briefcase. I love when we see non-traditional walk forward, turn around, walk back on a runway. In fact, I would like to make this a call to arms for all designers to get more kooky when it comes to staging your runways.

50:26Jason Stewart:i agree and also they did make the models did make some eye contact but it wasn't too much it wasn't in like a creepy way there was just a couple times they would catch your eye and i thought that was very savvy and hard to pull off because if you too much eye contact is uncomfortable but in this case i thought it was it was clever um what else did we see this you know what I thought was really pretty was McQueen.

50:56Lauren:I loved McQueen. And I liked that. I thought it was good. That's another non-traditional runway. It was a swirling sort of maze of a box with these thin scrims that all raised for the grand finale. And you exposed everyone. Another non-traditional runway formation. So we're getting there. Lauren, one thing I will say about this Fashion Week that was unexpected for me personally was that I didn't stay up as late as I used to. I didn't go out as much as I used to.

51:26Jason Stewart:Why is that, Derek?

51:28Lauren:I don't know. Maybe I'm making peace with my middle-aged gay dad era. Maybe this is my first season. I didn't stay up past midnight more than maybe once or twice. Last night I went to Carlos Nazario's birthday party. And the first night I went to Jonathan's after party for the Dior show. Carlos's party was fabulous. It was at a friend's apartment, but it was a lot of...

51:55Jason Stewart:It looked really fun. It was a lot of glamorous people

52:02Lauren:lounged on low-slung sofas, Rick Owens' furniture, and the smell of cigarettes floating through the air and scented candles. That was very fun. But again, I asked where the bathroom was and made my exit.

52:23Jason Stewart:Yeah, I mean, do you usually stay out till like 3 a.m.?

52:27Lauren:I used to. I mean, my career started as being a party photographer. Excuse me, a party writer. Remember style.com?

52:36Jason Stewart:True. Remember the Blast blog? I remember Blast blog. Yeah, of course.

52:40Lauren:So that was my, the PM shift was my bread and my butter. Now I'm waking up clear-eyed and bushy-tailed for these morning shows.

52:51Jason Stewart:Do you think that perhaps, though, that is just not as much of a thing anymore, too? Like, I know that, yes, you are a dad. We are in our 40s, all of that stuff. But do you think I also, I mean, I never go out, but I also was, I slept eight hours many nights this season, which is the first time in a long time.

53:12Lauren:Now you're just showing off, Lauren.

53:13Jason Stewart:I have to sleep Derek I don't understand how people don't sleep It's not healthy I did not sleep very much in Milan and I felt ill I was ill That is what I will say Like I did not feel good For a minute

53:28Lauren:In Mark Waducci's first Hollywood issue I did an oral history of the golden age of clubbing I don't know if you saw it It's on VanityFair.com And maybe I'll excerpt it In a new issue Or a new post of my sub stack But I will say that one thing that kept coming up in that research in my interviews for that piece was that all the people who were organizing those parties in the early 2000s and mid 2000s and early noughties or tens or whatever we're supposed to call them is that that was definitely an era. this is to answer your question earlier if people are going out as much that was a time when you really measured fun in broken shoes and blisters in your heels and we now live in an era when people measure fun in likes and instagram and i'm not complaining obviously i i definitely hitched my career to the social media train but to your point maybe people are going out less i assume that i'm just not invited as much as I used to be to some of these late night shenanigans.

54:35Lauren:But to your point, maybe more people are trying to get eight hours of sleep. There's definitely there's definitely been a fair amount of reporting on Gen Z's commitment to mental health and wellness, which we definitely didn't talk about in 2005 and 2006.

54:52Jason Stewart:Well, I also think there was just like, now if you get sloppy drunk, there is evidence of it. Like Hanuk Hanuk is the only evidence of you all getting sloppy drunk in 2006. Like there is just, I think that's a big part of it too. Like social media is a part of it because if you, Emily Dawn Long did a fun thing in New York where she did like a dance party. I'm sure that was fun. But I think that that is part of the thing is that like, A, yes, everyone is healthier and really thinking about their longevity, but B, you just can't be messy like that. Like I, I got into it with someone at the Celine show was sitting in my seat and I was not like, I was just like, you have to move.

55:46Jason Stewart:you're in my seat. And afterwards I was like, I hope like it just is, you have to really be careful about how you act. Like I was just, I was, I was not, um, rude to her, but I also was pretty stern. Like, look, this is my seat. I'm sorry that she claimed her seat had been taken. We'll, we'll never know. She ended up getting a very good seat, so it's fine. But, um, it's just an interesting thing you really have to watch like every single thing you say and do and i think going out and partying is part of that and also there is just like people go to wine bars now they're not like going to clubs it at 3 a.m or what have you i mean they are, but not as much.

56:37Well, I'm happy we did.

56:41Lauren:I had a doozy.

56:45Jason Stewart:I'm happy for you too. Okay.

56:47Lauren:You just telling your story about Celine reminds me of as someone who in the very, very early days of my career was obviously not invited to a lot of fashion shows. So I would be that crasher and I would sort of hold my breath that I would be able to stay in a certain seat until the lights finally went down and the first girl came out nowadays when someone asks me if i'm in my right seat even if it has my name on it and i'm supposed to be sitting there i still have this ptsd like oh i don't know i don't know should i move so i i think i think you're saying that who are you texting right now lauren sherman you were texting someone right before

57:28Jason Stewart:wow i'm um i'm saying to our slack channel that we don't need to issue a a correction for something about like a word being wrong like it's not a it's not a big deal i don't think we need to have a correction in the newsletter for this um wow anyway are you suggesting that sometimes your newsletter is wrong lauren sherman is there always i always admit my mistakes, Derek Blasberg. Okay. Is that it? What else? What else have you got? The final thing I wanted to discuss with you this little event you're doing at Gagosian on Tuesday.

58:13Lauren:Oh, fantastic. You do have this other job, apparently. I'm so happy that you remembered to ask me since this was the reason I was supposed to be on the podcast today. You agreed.

58:25Jason Stewart:This is the reason you agreed.

58:26Lauren:Tomorrow, thank you for reminding me to host my own promo. Tomorrow night at the Gagosian Gallery here in Paris on Rouge de Castiglione, Wes Anderson, the famed filmmaker, curated a special gallery experience based entirely on the work of the artist Joseph Cornell. Joseph Cornell was this fabulous, eccentric artist who lived in his mom's basement in Queens and built all of these small dioramas and vignettes, which basically, and as soon as you see them, you'll understand they inspired a large part of Wes's aesthetic. And so Wes recreated the entire basement in that house in Queens inside the gallery.

59:10Lauren:And you observe it from outside the gallery as if it was one giant life-sized diorama. And Lauren, if you are here tomorrow, and I think you mentioned that you are not only here, you're here with a child. It's very kid-friendly. So I look forward to seeing you there tomorrow night. Hey, I'm going to bring him. I can't wait. Anyone else who is in Paris, please come and say hi. We'll be there tomorrow. And it's, once again, Wes Anderson's curation of Joseph Cornell's exhibition at Gagosian in the same building as the Hotel Cost.

59:45Jason Stewart:Derek, you know. Thank you for reminding me. You might regret that. There might be a group of fashion people listeners at the door. Should I bring fashion person hats for everybody? Do you have one? I don't think you've ever given me any swag or merch.

1:00:06Lauren:I've got nothing from you. Just heartache and family-belled insults. That's all I've gotten from you.

1:00:15Jason Stewart:you know i love you well great well lord what are you wearing to chanel what are you wearing to chanel i'm gonna wear um a sweater and jeans i would never wear my chanel jacket to chanel you know that i'm not that kind of person i'm gonna wear um a theory sweater and a phoebe philo belt and a pair of jeans but i can't wait to wear my chanel jacket tomorrow to your event

1:00:39Lauren:a theory sweater to Chanel I mean do I need to say anything more I'm a woman of the people

1:00:46Jason Stewart:nowadays oh wow I'm a woman of the people I'm wearing my Chanel to Mew Mew and to Derek

1:00:56Lauren:Lasberg's thing well I look forward to seeing you tonight I look forward to seeing you too

1:01:01Jason Stewart:Derek thanks for being here and for always making me feel like shit it is my pleasure

1:01:07Lauren:Happy to be here. Easy to work with. I'm looking forward to seeing you tonight and tomorrow night. Two days in a row. Same.

1:01:14Jason Stewart:And then we won't have to see each other for many months.

1:01:16Lauren:Oh, because I don't know. Am I spoiling the surprise? Have you told your listeners that you're going to be living in Paris for the next four months?

1:01:24Jason Stewart:I have mentioned it.

1:01:27Lauren:Why don't you solicit some activities from your listeners? What should Lauren and her child and her husband do for the next four months while they're here? Luxon Bird Gardens. Let's go play for kids.

1:01:39Jason Stewart:We're very busy. Let her know. I'll see you in like an hour. Thank you for being here.

1:01:44Lauren:Don't you put your whole phone number and your email in the newsletter? What's your number, Lauren? Say it. Give it to the people.

1:01:51Jason Stewart:To get scoops. Okay, well, I'll see you in an hour.

1:01:55Lauren:Tell her what to do when she's here. We'll see you soon. Thanks for having me, Lauren.

1:02:00Jason Stewart:Bye, Derek. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co-founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, and director of editorial operations, Gobby Grossman.

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