Hazard Pay, Pt. 2 — The Weight

37:30I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever need my ring finger. If you ever punch the ever living heck out of somebody who deserves it, then your hand swells up. If that happens, and I hope I'm not the person, I will remind you of this, Scott. I'll be mad that you did not smuggle drugs properly as I thought you would, Tasha. I'm really stuck on your very sad self-assessment. Tasha, you'd be great smuggling drugs. Come on. Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it. you know what you're right and i am looking for work all right i i am now open to people who want me to send us some dms some offers how many gold bars you would trade slide into my dms with your your promises of drugs and gold bars uh i will i will shoot a bunch of guards for you as long as there are no like claim jumpers present in the woods all right well so so many of the uh thoughts and questions that I have remaining for The Wait really just kind of tie back into Sorcerer.

38:29So I think it's probably good to step away from The Wait, come back and talk about it in relation to Sorcerer.

38:42Now it's time for connections when we bring these two films together and talk about all the things they have in common. Tasha, you got a bone to pick here, I understand. I do. I put this on our list of potential connections to discuss as the one gigantic plot hole beyond belief. And it's the same one in both of these movies. And it drove me nuts in both of these movies. In Sorcerer, the oil company has its four drivers. And then Nilo comes along and murders one of them. We don't know why exactly. It's implied that he was a Nazi who fled judgment to this South American country. So Nilo's possibly, you know, murdering him for pay and potentially for good reason.

39:25But Jackie's response, like the response of the men in general is, you killed our driver. Now you got to be the next driver. We are going to take this completely unknown man who is a foreigner. We don't know where he's from or anything about him. All we literally all we know is that he's a murderer and murdered somebody who was part of this group. And we're going to force him to be to go on this dangerous trek with us into the woods. Unreal. I have absolutely no explanation whatsoever why they do this. In the way, the equivalent of that is bringing Rankin on the trip. And the justification for it is Murph and Russell Crowe's character have kind of made friends in a very organic and believable kind of way.

40:08Murph has established himself as resourceful and smart and skilled. So Russell Crowe's character says, choose anybody you want to take on this mission. Choose men that you trust. And he's like, I'm going to choose these two smart, hardworking men who stepped up when I needed a job done and physically got it done while everybody else stood back. And I'm also going to choose this rampant racist asshole who all I know about is he is a rampant racist and he loves needling everybody. And the justification he gives is you guys seem to like him. And I was immediately like, did you ask either of them whether they like him?

40:47It's beyond belief that they like him. Just because they play poker with him doesn't mean they would trust him with their lives. So in both of these movies, you're bringing along an obvious problem with you under very weak justification in a way that just makes no damn sense whatsoever for me. Tell me I'm wrong. doesn't Nilo try out to be a driver in Sorcerer? I think he does I think he does and he doesn't get chosen but I think he is at least like a known quantity to them as a driver I think Scott are you remembering that too? I don't remember that but I do feel like he has put himself in a position where they have to make him the driver whether they want to or not given the timing of it and given his given his presence in that situation it is time to go uh and now they have now they have lost their fourth man and they need a fourth man and he has put himself in a business just to be that guy i didn't i never really thought about him as coming to um this country to assassinate this what appears to be a nazi in hiding this would make him more sympathetic than oh i 100 thought that he was there to assassinate the nazi but he was just pretending to be there and like ingratiating himself with the village for other reasons sure sure it makes sense yeah which is why i thought i remembered him trying out to be a driver because i thought his cover story like everybody else was like i just happened to be here but actually he is there to assassinate said nazi magneto style we did have a little bit of trouble telling marquez um the possible nazi that's murdered from the older barman who the camera cuts to when the story about being a Nazi is being told from Nilo.

42:37So I would have to go back and see if I recognize Nilo as one of the prospective drivers. But it does seem like if he tried out, it was just to ingratiate himself as opposed to he desperately wanted this job so much that he was willing to murder one of the people that got accepted for it and even if all that is what he wanted this guy wants this money so much that he murdered one of the people who was going to get it is a really really extra bad reason to take him with you on the journey that you're going to get paid for that's how i feel what wages of fear though because in wages of fear isn't it that he that joe like kills the other driver or like intimidates him into backing out and then joe takes his spot and wages of fear i don't remember it that i don't definitely don't remember that detail okay all right i might be conflating all these movies together all of this is to say i completely agree about rankin because it is just this throwaway line of like well yeah exactly like you guys seem to be friends but he and murphy have already had arguments and you've already seen murphy like be cowardly and i just i don't get it i also think that i i didn't interpret that as cowardly i interpreted him as being smart enough to not rise to rankin's bait oh no no rankin was i think rankin does something isn't rankin cowardly when they're like trying to push the big boulder and right oh i thought he was just being lazy oh maybe you know yeah well he does spend that entire uh you know the the boulder moving sequence which murph moves this giant boulder out of the way via cleverness and physics as opposed to brute force.

44:18Ren Rankin spends the entire time kind of catcalling him and is like visibly unhappy when he successfully does the job that's going to get them all a day off. So yeah, no, he's just a jerkwad. He's a big old like wet blanket white supremacist, which is a weird conflation of different things to be. But yeah, taking him on this trip, wasn't there literally anybody else who had like two legs and two arms? There were so many other men. You didn't talk to any other men. in this prison work gang. Or the two that you actually picked, because I really think if you asked either of them, do you want this guy to come on a dangerous trip where we all have to trust each other, it'd be like literally anybody else.

44:59I spotted a particularly intelligent looking like tree monkey back a little ways who would be better on this job than he would. There's a wet log over there that would be better on this job than he would. The only thing that I can think about Sorcerer, and this is like partially something Scott said, so i'm sorry if i'm repeating but i also just wonder if they're like you assassinated this guy we don't know what your motivations are maybe it's easier if you just come with us and we keep an eye on you but that also feels like a big stretch like why would they care they've got enough on their hands there is there is kind of a thing to a sentiment in both movies and it's certainly a deliberate idea and sorcerer of them having to work together there's just no choice yes but you You know, they cannot really fall back on other motivations, other character traits, other than working together to survive this extremely dangerous mission.

45:57And so that ends up being kind of the thing that binds them together. And the fact that they have these other qualities just gives you that additional tension in moments when you need it. you know when uh when they're called upon for a different kind of action or different kind of beat that apart from the mission then some other aspects of their characters kind of come through and uh and it makes sense because most of the time they are despite their differences always motivated to stay on task because that's what's important is there any world in which nilo is meant to kill one of the three of them and he just kills marquez to get on the crew i think if that were the case that he wouldn't be so seemingly shocked and resistant to and now you're coming with us and he wouldn't then be so kind of sullen about being sullen and disengaged about being on the trip which he he just really seems like and that that's another i think interesting connection if we want to pivot over to the next one between these two movies is just sort of a sense that once they start down the road, there's no going back.

47:03Like, particularly, I think, with Sorcerer, there's literally physically no going back. You know, if they want to take the trucks, they're kind of destroying the road on their way to their destination. And they're not going to be able to get those trucks back along the same route, even if they empty out the volatile cargo that they're carrying. Once the group of men set out in the wait, if any of them, Even if any of them just decided to cut and run, oh brother, where art thou style? Just like I think that whatever is waiting on us on the other end of this is not good. I'm not going to seek the treasure.

47:41I'm just going to dump my gold off to the wilderness. There's just not really anywhere for them to go. They don't know where they are. One of the guards has a map and nobody else does. They're in the middle of nowhere and there's no indication that they've got like wilderness survival skills. so both of these groups of men are on one-way journeys that for better or worse they they have to see through in some way tasha that was a that was a quite credible tim blake nelson impersonation i'm very impressed um this this came up for some reason last night when we were watching these movies uh i had a flashback to that and i asked uh i asked bob what the line was and he told me and then we just went back and forth with, seek not the treasure, like over and over.

48:28This is what home is like for us. I love that dynamic. Oh, everybody's watching movies with their partners. It's the best. So I want to talk about a specific sequence, the real money sequence, certainly in Sorcerer, and one of the big suspense sequences and the wait as well, which is the bridge, bridges in both. And so in Sorcerer, we've talked about they have this, you know, very rickety bridge held together by rope over this raging river. Barely can handle a single human, let alone a giant truck. Somehow handles two giant trucks full of nitro glycerin. I mean, you know, shout out to the engineer on that one.

49:16And then you have a similar sequence in the weight where there's not a truck that they have to go over, but the weight of these backpacks are enough to where they can't really trust that they will not fall through this wooden bridge to the chasm below. So and so it's so the solution ends up being, you know, hoisting, whipping one bar at a time mid bridge and then and then having that same bar whipped to the end of the bridge. I guess that's the best solution. What did everyone know? No, I broke down at that scene. I went into full like what idiocy is this mode? I was just immediately, I was thinking back to the moving in the giant boulder thing.

50:06It's like, wait, Murph understands physics and he's ingenious and he's good at rigging things. So our solution is let's throw gold bars at each other over a giant abyss. As somebody who has canonically dropped at least 50 % of every ball ever thrown at me, the idea that the best solution here is to just have somebody stand out in the middle of this bridge whipping gold bars at each other was almost dumber than taking rank in uh on this this journey i just had such a hard part i just had such a hard time i was also thinking of alternative solutions that were preferable to yeah also you just you know the the danger there's danger of course in doing it but also you can't let one of those cold bars go right yeah well it's part of the deal so i mean again these are this is a movie and uh it adds a lot of tension to do it that way it just doesn't but you're also like what was really funny to me is i was like did you guys not bring like your own rope because if you brought your own rope then you could just make they have rope we see the rope hanging off of their backpacks just send two guys on each side and then set up like a zipline connective rope and like send your gold yeah there are a lot of other ways they could have done it for me i really enjoyed it because it was so ridiculous but i also think that sequence is the one where i was most like we're not making them like we made them 50 years ago because Friedkin would not have stood for this obvious CGI.

51:43Friedkin would have been like, you go to that middle of the rope bridge and you catch each individual bar. We lost 18 actors doing this stunt and 400 prop gold bricks. He would not let Ethan Hawke get away with a stunt double on it. He had to personally be hanging over that abyss. So Sorcerer wins that one. It wasn't the CG that bugged me at all. It was the sheer illogic of it. it's a really really dumb solution if you've got a physical problem in a movie that I can come up with a better solution for you're in trouble hundreds of gold bars right hundreds of bars they're doing this for it's not hundreds of bars but it seems like it's hundreds of pounds it's a lot yeah heavy I didn't think they had that many bars that would have been absurd if it were that many bars it's at least like dozens it's absolutely dozens but it seems like when we see them get loaded up it seems like it might be as many as like or it's as few as like 10 bricks per per backpack it's yeah that's a lot to hoist one with one at a time there's no way you're not dropping it i don't care i don't care if you're like you know travis kelsey i don't think of a water you're going with football instead of basketball that's interesting no famously neither of those sports really big into like hooking really really heavy bricks at each other oh not if you're not if you're the philadelphia 76 i'm trying to make a basketball joke about people teams they can't shoot well yeah so but this is critical though if you're talking about the success of a film like the weight and the success of a film like sorcerer because because that sequence in sorcerer is kind of is sort of the money sequence of the movie probably the best sequence suspense sequence in either it or wages of fear really it's just an awesome piece of filmmaking incredibly tense uh and you get get it twice so there's that as well you know it's supposed to have that kind of power in uh the weight and i think we're kind of agreeing that it doesn't in the film survives in any way i guess did the log sequence uh work for you better in terms of uh the suspense for me personally yes i mean i think the bridge sequence is like Like, I don't know.

53:56It's tense, but it's still like goofy because as we talked about, we can figure out a million other ways to do it. I don't think there is another way to do the log sequence, right? It's like you're in the river and they're doing a log, whatever it's called. I don't remember what it's called. A log drive. Thank you. They're like sending the logs down the water. I don't know any other way to like avoid that. So I appreciated that because it felt like a real like we're backed into a corner and we have to figure this out rather than we're backed into a corner and the only way to figure it out is to individually throw bars at one another.

54:33I liked the log sequence because it reminded me very strongly of the equivalent sequence in Sometimes a Great Notion. And that sequence ends very poorly for one of the characters for a particularly tragic reason. And so I kind of had that hanging over my head throughout this sequence. But, you know, we talked a lot about fate and can you avoid your fate, talking about sorcerer. And I think here, just like looking at, you know, giant logs aren't malevolent. The people in the woods with guns who want to kill you and steal everything you own and feel that they deserve it, like those are malevolent.

55:13The people who are with you who have bad agendas they're hiding or malevolent the logs are just going to kill you in a very impersonal way um and i found that threat pretty pretty intimidating especially since you know they see the bridge and they think about what is this going to take how are we going to deal it they they make the decision to go across it they don't anticipate the logs because they don't see them coming it's just something they have to deal with in a hurry in the moment and that made that sequence land pretty well for me, I would say. Yep. Log over bridge.

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57:31I kind of want to turn to Roxanna here because she has an interesting one about fate versus free will in these movies and how that kind of dictates what happens to these characters and what it all means, I guess. What are you thinking on this, Roxanna? What I was thinking on is it's really tied to what we had talked about in terms of the character backstories and that I think the weight is just somewhat more superficial and less willing to like push our buttons in terms of who these men are and so I feel like the moment for me where it became clear that like most of these men were gonna live and there was like a free will sort of situation happening is after the log drive Rankin the weight of the gold basically has him sort of like stuck in the water he can't swim he's gonna drown and Murphy goes to save him like cut the rope they'll retrieve the gold later rankin will be free and there is this altercation where like murphy gets stuck rankin gets free rankin tries to like trap murphy in the water they have this fight finally but then like everything is sort of fine yeah they just sort of like keep working together because like the guards are a bigger threat and the miners are a bigger threat and i sort of thought like if this movie isn't necessarily willing to like build a lot of internal tension between this group even when rankin is such an asshole then when it got to this point where most of them lived i sort of felt like well we were never really going to take like a chance on most of these characters lives.

59:29So that for me felt like a free will thing. Like it didn't feel like these characters had because of the script, the burden of like history and their past actions and the burden of fate upon them. It didn't feel to me like the movie was trying to make like a larger statement about how your past and your history follow you. I just didn't think it had like that large scale. Weight, scope. Thank you, Tasha. It didn't feel like, you know, all of the stuff that you've done in your life is like the weight on your back. It sort of felt like it was saying like, well, you can just like start again and that's fine.

1:00:11And I don't think that's what sorcerer is saying. I think sorcerer is saying like you can't let go of that stuff. Even if you do something, quote unquote, good, you can't outrun everything that's come before. And I think I just vibe with that message a little bit more than the weights. Although I am entertained and I enjoy it, the sorcerer sort of theory about life is gonna stick with me a little bit more. It's also a massive commercial gamble. I mean, just to end a film as bleakly as Sorcerer is really huge. I mean, that's the 70s for you. As much as everybody has been through. I respect it so much, man.

1:00:54Me too. It's a great ending. Yeah. But it is one where it's like, wow, you're leaving in total despair and you've been through this journey and somehow this one character has survived and got his$40 ,000 paycheck and nope, not going to be there. But first, he does get to have a dance, which is a good reminder that there are women in Sorcerer, that they exist in the world. And there's also a reminder in the wait that women exist in that world as well in the form of an indigenous woman named Anna, who, you know, kind of gets caught up in this group. I'm curious. I mean, you know, that's that's interesting point of comparison that we have here.

1:01:40what's the deal with both of these films having this very slight acknowledgement? I guess the weight has a more significant acknowledgement in terms of making Anna a major supporting character, but adding a woman to sort of a men's picture, what does that bring to the dynamic in these films? I mean, on the one hand, I feel like it answers Roxanna's question about the weight of the backstories a little, because I feel like the story that Anna tells about where she comes from and what her earlier life was like, and then the one-liner she snaps back at Murph about what bearing it had on her, how it affected her, is the most emotionally evocative thing in the movie.

1:02:28It's not the tensest, but it's the equivalent of the watch in Wages of Fear. It's a moment where a character you know not not the first of these characters to reveal their backstory but maybe the first one that actually does seem like it's it's put a mark on her um her her experience in one of those schools where white folks kidnapped native children and tried to uh i believe the line is in the film is kill the Indian, save the man, which, you know, her, her insistence that she, she survived and they killed nothing in her is as evocative of a statement in that movie as, as anything. And you could go on to apply it to the other characters and some of the things that they have been through.

1:03:22But I think that would be selling it short as like the specificity of what she's been through and what it meant to her. So I really liked that. But Anna's story, when I talked about Chekhov's guns on the walls that don't fire, Anna's entire presence for me is a gun that never fires, a dog that never barks, a missing tooth to cover the three different metaphors I threw at the wall that have not been fired until now. Her whole excuse for joining the men doesn't make sense unless she has a hidden agenda. Guess what? She doesn't have a hidden agenda. She's just there. It just kind of feels like somebody forgot to finish writing her story.

1:04:02She's just a kind of supportive character who's there to be racismed at a little bit and to help our hero through various things in a supportive way, which she does at least call out the fact that he's very lucky she was there because she's saved him multiple times. But in terms of her own agenda. We never really find out what her intentions were, why she put it this way. Everybody else in the movie has a big reason for wanting to do something as risky as try to walk hundreds of pounds of gold through a forest full of hostels toward a very, very uncertain future with very untrustworthy men. She takes an even bigger risk by doing this uninvited and being the only woman among this group of men.

1:04:54And in moments where you turn to your partner and say something, the moment where the guards don't just murder her up front when she joins them, to me was, okay, this is important to know. These are not complete sleazebags, or at least they're not willing to show their true colors just yet. The fact that they allowed her to travel with them is telling. Now, granted, they immediately start calling her girl and treating her like a servant and expecting her to cook and clean for them. It's 1933. What you going to do? But I do feel like Anna is both the source of the movie's biggest emotional moment and just one of the most incomplete characters and kind of a roster of them.

1:05:38I have very mixed feelings on this because the read that I had is that she is in some sort of like indentured servitude situation at the mine. And she probably is being like really sexually abused. That was like sort of the read that I got as to why she would want to flee. but part of me wishes the i don't want to say i wish the film had said that because i don't i don't want to be like the only reasoning that this female character could have had for fleeing where she was was the threat of sexual assault but the film like doesn't say so much that i felt like are you trying to imply this without outright saying it and if that's what you're trying to imply without right saying it how is this group of random men any less dangerous than the group of men you're fleeing from so yeah there was something there that i didn't quite grasp and i didn't go as far as to think like i don't know i don't know if i thought like maybe she's like secretly in cahoots with the guards or maybe there's something else going on i don't think i like thought that far in advance but i sort of thought like oh this movie just doesn't want to say that she was probably being raped and i didn't know how i felt about that i it didn't occur to me that she might be in an indentured servitude situation that certainly is a good insight given what she says the school was designed to to train people like her for i suppose i i didn't get a a whiff of sexual abuse.

1:07:19But honestly, being an indentured servant would be bad enough. And certainly a circumstance you'd want to leave. I guess I too just wish the movie had spelled that out a little more clearly. Exactly what it is. Like if she's, she does have the moment where she kind of lets her guard down enough to tell Murph at least a little about her history and what's going through her life, that would have been the time. If she has any agenda, whatever her intentions were, why she thought she could trust these men, you know, with her body and her life, any of these things, if there'd just been a hint of why.

1:07:57And frankly, the huck in the gold across the bridge thing just makes me not trust the movie to make connections that it needs to make, to have the characters act in ways that make rational sense in the world. And I'm just not sure that the filmmakers thought about how weird it is that she's willing to put herself in the hands of six unknown men who are heading into the wilderness in a place where if she was to disappear, no one would ever know. Including two from the mine that she is fleeing. Yeah. And the other four of them convicts. Yeah. Who's, you know, much nicer than expected backstory and uh secret being sympathetic she does not know about yeah maybe it's almost a case of of a film you know giving us enough of a character to get itself into trouble you know what i mean it's a really good description not quite uh getting enough of it us there to make it make it work i mean because because if we're talking about comparing it to sorcerer we have this native woman who we don't know at all other than being representative of the place in which she lives and being meaningful to Jackie and a certain other characters at certain points in the movie and in a way that simplicity ends up being more effective because there's a limited she she's got this extremely I guess distinctive evocative you know face and image and you know she's representative of this place in a way that feels authentic and she's more elegantly i guess folded into the narrative in a way that doesn't stick out uh for us too much to uh pick out as much i guess is yeah well i mean i think something that's interesting about that is that like this village like every foreigner who's there is a piece of shit it's like really interesting i think and every villager i think between agrippa giving victor like i think she gives him a cross right she gives him some sort of like religious totem i think to take with him and then the villager uprising against the oil company like i think a sorcerer does like a better job in terms of helping you understand how these people view these intruders in their midst and i think agrippa being somebody who recognizes victor's humanity because he recognizes hers is really interesting and then to have jackie also pick up on the fact that like she is a person then taking to him taking him to his doom like i i don't know i just like that there are like different ways that different characters relate to agrippa whereas i think with anna i i just think like pairing her primarily with murph feels a little bit to continue on tasha's point like the filmmakers didn't exactly think through like how would the rest of these people be reacting to these women until we get that final like confrontation with the evil mind guard and like the implication of the sexual violence becomes real and all that sort of thing but again just a little thing where i'm like maybe sorcerer did this better in a way that i didn't anticipate well while barely letting the character speak at 100 yeah i think she has like one because it doesn't give us enough of a character her there to get itself in trouble.

1:11:38You know, she's, she's set dressing, but William Friedkin knows she's set dressing and doesn't, you know, just a handful of sentences about who she is and where she came from might've gotten the movie in trouble, might've been enough to make us curious about why we aren't getting her story or why she isn't getting involved. And instead she's just a piece of the background. I think it's relevant that both of these movies are about places of just immense and pretty much universal poverty. There is not a lot of sign that even the foreigners working there are like living in luxury compared to the natives they're looking down on.

1:12:19There's very little kindness or connection to be had in either of these movies because there's just nothing to spare. Everybody is hungry and filthy and just kind of like living in the same circumstances. And given our, you know, constant and growing wave right now of movies about economic disparity, and you know, the rich living in hyper luxury and complete ignorance of what their decisions are doing to other people who are poor and suffering, seeing two different movies where literally everybody is poor and suffering. There's certainly a sense that the American oil company folks can and will eventually go home, but they're just not much better off than anybody else who's trapped in this mysterious anonymous country.

1:13:08And in the Great Depression, everybody is scrambling to get something for themselves. So it's interesting to me, I guess, how similar poverty is in both of these movies, even if poverty in America in the Great Depression does look pretty different from a Central American or South American country in the 70s. It also raises kind of an interesting question in terms of how people end up relating to each other in a situation where poverty is sort of defining the landscape. Does poverty trigger solidarity people getting coming together on a on a mission to to lift each other up to to succeed or are you kind of scrapping for your for a greater share of the money and uh well how does that affect the kind of group dynamics here about how much how much do you rely on each other versus how much do you um have to be look out for number one really in the end i feel like the blowing the tree up scene in Sorcerer is just a real turning point.

1:14:15It's a point where they're all stopped at the same time, stymied by the same thing. And even though Kasim's knowledge is key and they're all following his lead, they are all working together towards the same goal and the dynamic changes after that. There's a turning point in The Wait as well that is late enough in the movie that I wouldn't want to spoil it but there certainly is i think a lot of the movie is it's not us versus them it's it's me versus everybody until the moment that it can become us versus them because them has finally been clearly defined for the first time yeah i think about in sorcerer when victor is running forward to see if kasim has survived and that really that really gets me And I think that is so beautifully done.

1:15:07Again, also just another absolutely bonkers sequence. Just another absolutely freaking you bad man sequence. Yeah, that's good stuff. Well, Sorcerer is available on the usual streaming platform. It's also on Criterion 4K, Blu-ray and DVD. Certainly at a better resolution than Tasha seems to have watched it at Tsk Tsk. the wait is currently in theaters uh everywhere uh though it seems uh likely to find its way to streaming before the end of the year we'll be right back with your next picture show

1:15:45lisa we should tell them about our new show oh my god lexi we have a new podcast it's called don't lie to me i'm lexi iwanio we're two best friends 22 years apart but so close at heart And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not going to get anywhere you're fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today. Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, Good Taste is my business. And I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world.

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1:17:03Do I have what it takes? I'm Emily Abadi, and on Hurdle with Emily Abadi, we dive into the grit, vulnerability, and mindset that fuels our greatest comebacks. I talk to elite athletes, Olympic champions, industry changemakers, and everyday runners about how they face self-doubt, redefine success, and keep moving forward when life gets heavy. I just love to say I never know who's watching. So you want to make sure you you through and through and you just stay true to who you are. Yeah, your path might change because different things come on your path to disrupt it. But it's just putting you on a new path and the skills you have to have faith at the skills that you've learned and developed over time are going to continue to bring you success.

1:17:41When the world is burning and crashing around you, will you still say fight for your dream? Will you still say it's possible? Will you still believe you're a good person? Can you still see the brighter side of tomorrow? It's motivation, real talk, and practical wisdom for life on and off the run. Listen to Hurdle with Emily Abadi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every case has a story. Every victim has a voice. But will it be heard? I'm Nancy Grace. on Crime Stories, we go beyond headlines to examine evidence, challenge the story we're fed, and pursue justice for victims and their families.

1:18:23Please join us at Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your podcasts. Hope you join us. I'll see you there, friend. Hey, everybody. It's me, W. Kamau Bell. This season of my podcast, Who's With Me?, I speak with two-time Emmy winner and weirdly one of my best friends, Kevin Avery. Everything up to that point, Bill Jew is a comic. Us going on the road, doing Battle Mountain and Ely and all this shit. Yeah, you took me, you were one of the first people who took me on the road. Which is funny because at the time I was like, I don't know if I like this guy.

1:18:59With rapper, actor, Daveed Diggs. The jump off for me was Hamilton and it was the most popular thing in a very long time. But it was still, for me, it was me and my friends making something dumb. Bruce Lee's daughter and Brandon Lee's sister, Shannon Lee. Back to your initial point of stewarding my father's legacy and giving my energy to that. You're lending your life to stewarding somebody else's life. Listen to Who's With Me with Debbie Quambell on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:19:39Finally, it's time to recommend a film or film-related item that complements this set of episodes. We call it Your Next Picture Show. It hopes it'll put some interesting choices on your radar. Roxanna, you had an idea for this. Yes, I did. And I mentioned this film earlier. It came out earlier this summer. It also had like a wide release like The Weight, but I do think it could get more eyes on it. it is the rivals of amzaya king and it is andrew patterson's follow-up andrew patterson did vast of night which was like huge on prime a number of years ago um and he got the rights back if i understand correctly and he said that it should be coming out on physical media sometime soon i think somebody said that somewhere but rivals of amzaya king is a i don't even know how to describe it.

1:20:29It's like eight different genres at once, but it's like a neo-Western and a musical and a heist movie. And the general gist is that Matthew McConaughey is playing this man, Amzaya King. He is a beekeeper and a musician, and he reconnects with his former foster daughter, this woman named Kateri, who is played by Angelina Lookingglass. And they bond and he's teaching her how to keep bees. And then all of a sudden his bee boxes are stolen. And that sets off like a series of events involving Kateri's attempt to find who stole them, her realization that there is this like very shady agribusinessman played by Kurt Russell, who is basically like running companies into bankruptcy and forcing them to use his products and generally just being like an asshole and so she is trying to understand where the bees went what's the role of this man how can she sort of honor her foster father and the reason that i pick it as like a connective tissue here is that there is this lengthy heist sequence involving bee boxes so living beehives that they are moving down a river and it is very elaborate within the film it takes place over the course of like an entire day night and the next day and it is so practical they are like shooting in a forest they're actually crossing this river they used the movie is entirely real bees there are no CG bees, but they used like a less aggressive bee that they like fed honey water to before they were filming.

1:22:22But it is literally like thousands of bees in these bee boxes being moved down this river. So I just think that the like very physical nature of sorcerer, the physical nature of the weight, I liked the physical aspect of this heist. And I think that it has a similar sort of like going from as tasha put it so well like me versus everybody to us versus them that hinges on that b box heist i have never even heard of this movie but you had me at andrew patterson and i am so excited that's exactly right because it's like vest of night is one of those debut films where it's like i cannot wait to see what this person which is not to say that best of night in itself is not uh doesn't have its own rewards but there is kind of a calling card let me show you what i can do aspect to last night it's quite audacious and makes you think like this this guy with the resources you know is going to do something amazing and it sounds like he he really had a nice follow-up here with this film agreed if you can find it you should i do think it should hopefully be it might already be on digital it should be i looked it up it's it as of this recording at least it's um currently on pvod nice so you know rentable nice rentable for a little probably not streams probably not streaming on your your favorite uh thing you already subscribed to just yet but we'll keep an eye out nice

1:23:57so that's it for this edition of the next picture show Tasha can you tell us about our next pairing from 2004 to 2007 Dateline NBC aired a popular show called To Catch a Predator in which potential child sex offenders were identified online and invited to what they thought was a sexual encounter with a teenager that turned out to be a televised sting operation the show's host was Chris Hansen a dashing TV journalist who would confront these men and attempt to interview them. Then the local police would arrest them on the spot. The new movie Primetime is about this dark and controversial production, but it focuses heavily on Robert Pattinson's performance as Hanson, which suggests the pathology of a journalist who craves attention and puts himself at the center of the story.

1:24:40His sleazy ambition, along with the film's noir-influenced style, calls to mind the 1957 classic Sweet Smell of Success, starring Burt Lancaster as J.J. Hunsecker, a Broadway gossip columnist who leverages his power to nefarious ends. On our next set of episodes, we'll peer into the tabloid souls of Hunsecker and Hansen and explore the dark side of American journalism. For now, we welcome your feedback on Sorcerer, The Weight, and anything else film-related you'd like to talk about. Email us at comments at nextpictureshow.net or leave us a voicemail at 773-234-9730. Before we close out this week's episode, where can we find everyone these days, Tasha Robinson?

1:25:20you know the usual places you can find me at vulture and and polygon and uh hanging out on blue sky at atasha robinson uh roxanna what about you you can find me at vulture you can find me on blue sky and you can still find me on x at roxanna underscore dotty scott what about you uh yeah you can find me on blue sky at scott tobias um and uh my main outlet of course is the reveal the newsletter that I write with Keith Phipps and that is the reveal.film. You can also find my work in the New York Times, Vulture, Guardian, and other fine publications. As for our absent co-hosts, Keith, I've already mentioned, he's part of the reveal.

1:26:04He also writes for Vulture but has done work elsewhere at TV Guide and at Ringer and other outlets. He's on Blue Sky at KFips 3000. Genevieve Kosky is a senior TV editor at Vulture. And she's on social media, but come on now. She's not, she doesn't do a whole lot. No offense. No offense to Genevieve, though you will find her putting up some fun stuff on Instagram. She's got some stories up there and occasionally she'll pop out on blue sky at Genevieve Kosky you can stay updated on the next picture show at next picture show.net and on blue sky at the next picture show get bonus content and open discussion at patreon.com slash next picture show and as always we appreciate your ratings and reviews on apple podcast or spotify smash that subscribe button um wherever you listen to the show uh Roxanna thank you again so much for joining us thank you guys and uh thanks also to Dan the Bake Jakes for his assistance producing this podcast.

1:27:09The Next Picture Show is proud to be part of the Film Spotting family of podcasts. Please tune in next time.

1:27:26That was a good movie. Yeah. Seen here before once. Lisa, tell them about our new show. We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwano. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lacey DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, Good Taste is my business. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast.

1:28:07The true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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1:29:32Listen to the Black Mother Wound podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you get your podcasts.