Netflix’s The Crash is an Ethical Sinkhole | SVU

26:50It's like the forensic files or something like that. One of those shows, I.D. or something. They did it. They did an episode on this story already. And I have had that happen, too, where you watch something and then you you one of these true crime things. And I can't think of the specific example, but a couple of months ago, I watched one, I think, on Netflix. And it was more I barely even watched it. I had it on in the background while I was doing work or, you know, you know, typing up something or maybe I was doing dishes. Who knows? And then afterwards, I was Googling to learn more about the case.

27:18And I saw the same exact thing. It had already been on 48 hours. It had already had a whole miniseries with, you know, some of the people that hadn't talked for the thing that I watched were interviewed in this other thing. You know, it's like competing projects with different talking heads. That's right. Everybody trying to get their their piece of the 15 minutes. I mean, I do want to say, though, and when we get to recommendations, I'm going to recommend something that's technically true crime. I'm curious to see, like, what is the, because I do think this is pretty bad for the soul. I don't think this, I mean, it's, look, if you lived in this Ohio town, you want to know about what's happening in your town.

27:56There's a natural curiosity, but I don't know. To watch this movie, I don't know. I don't know. It's rough. I guess the other the only other thing that I would mention that we haven't maybe talked about is just besides just the general tawdryness of it and feeling like, you know, no one comes out of this looking good. Yeah. It's just that when I look at how it's put together a lot of times, I often wonder, like, are we putting this together in a way to, like, not educate? Because that's not the job. That's not the job of even a documentary necessarily. Are you being newsworthy or are you being scandalous to titillate people?

28:38Yes. And also, like, are you, you know, you mentioned about, like, twists or withholding. I forget exactly how you put it in your intro, but like, how are you assembling this information? And are you doing it in a way to like hide certain things? Yes, they are. Because that's storytelling. You know, to really to drag things out, to elongate the story, to keep people from clicking away or putting on something else. That's the parts where it really starts to feel icky. is when something is divulged an hour in, 45 minutes in, and you go, this is a pretty important thing. And I'm not just speaking about this movie in this case.

29:18Yeah, this happens a few times. I can think of some examples of it. But that's something that often happens in these kinds of things that I really object to. It's like you're withholding these things that are sort of fundamental to the case in order to either drag things out or to maximize the shock. Yeah. It happens very specifically in Capturing the Freedmen's, which was a successful documentary, and it happens in Three Identical Strangers, which was also a successful documentary. And I get it because when you're watching the films, you're like, whoa, that's extraordinary. But if you were a lawyer presenting the case, you wouldn't hold it back.

29:58But is a filmmaker a lawyer or is a filmmaker a storyteller? Right, the filmmaker is not a lawyer. Yeah, it's a gray area. It's a case-by-case thing. And we should not hold, you know, we shouldn't hold these TV shows and movies to a legal standard. It's just sad. But it is the sort of thing that, what did you say it did to your soul? It diminished it in some way. It poisoned it a little bit. I mean, because also - That's the kind of things that when I see them myself that I do feel a little icky. Yeah, 100%. I mean, I really agree. and you know i mean i don't want to sound like too much of a bleeding heart but there were three families ripped apart in ohio you know they got a bad enough they're living in ohio for god's sakes i mean that's where i say again that's what where i say if netflix if something bad happened to someone you know yeah and netflix comes and says we would we want to tell your story don't do it say no you don't want it i don't want you to tell my story i'm very curious to know what your rec seg is that is positive true crime i mean well should we should we should we tie a bow on this thing and move on i've already got my string out and i'm fine all right so that's the crash and it is available on netflix the most significant piece of evidence there was no breaking this was not an accident so hey matt singer um i was very curious to because you mentioned that there were some true crime documentaries that were, you know, morally acceptable in a way that the crash is not.

31:34What is your recommendation? Well, before that, you got to say the name of the segment, George. Oh, yes. Recommendation Segment. That's not it. Also known as Rexig. As what? Rexig! Yeah! Rexig. It sounds great when Sam puts in the music and post. I know, Okay. Now we can proceed. Yes. So as we discussed in our review, there is clearly a very large audience for this sort of material out there. There's a ton of it. We talked about Netflix a lot because that was a Netflix movie, but Netflix is not the only streaming service that has these. There's tons of them on HBO. HBO might even have more HBO Max, home box office maximum, as Jordan likes to say.

32:20There may actually be more on there than on Netflix, if that's possible. And when you look at all of these streamers that have top 10 lists, and you mentioned that The Crash was a number one movie, currently number three as we're talking about this. I get it. You know, like when you consider the economics of making these things. Yeah, it's true. It's probably not that expensive to get. You know, these little rip from the headline documentaries versus what Netflix shells out for a Russo Brothers movie, a Martin Scorsese movie. Like, I understand why they make so many of them. Right. The footage is already, the police station already has the footage.

32:59You just got to grab the discs. I mean, they literally probably have made, what, 50 of these for the price of the electric state. And if five of them are successful and are, you know, buzzy viral hits that they've come out way ahead. So I get it. It's a volume business. And they are being clearly they are being done as quickly as they can. As you just said, Jordan, the formula is there. You get every news report about the incident. Yeah. You interview the reporter who covered the story. There's always an interview with that person. I've worked here for 12 years. And I've never seen a case like this, right?

33:39You interview the first person who was on the scene, the police officer, the first officer on the scene. You interview the DA that prosecuted the case. This is the most shocking case I've ever had in my 12 years working on it. You interview the family members. The same beat. Same music. Same music. Throw it in an Avid, and you get it out before, as you said, some other person, 48 hours or forensic files, whoever it is, can get out their version or as you can. And they mostly look the same. They sound the same. And that's that's the world we live in. Can I throw can I throw some Google stats at you, care of Sam?

34:15Please. There, according to Google, 27 million people have watched the crash. And between 15 and 20 million went and saw Obsession. Right. Which is it's a huge hit. It's a shock hit of the summer. It's a shock hit of the summer and it's still less. And so how many hundreds of millions of dollars would the crash have made in theaters? But of course, no one would pay to see this in a theater. Right. Unless you really hated Mackenzie so-and-so and wanted to throw tomatoes at her at the screen. Right. Nobody would go. So it's a weird - But it is still shocking when you see those numbers. The numbers are huge.

34:53So anyhow, yes. Yes. Go ahead. So I did want to recommend, because I do watch a lot of these. Maybe not a lot. I watch some - edge of my seat. And I occasionally am positive about some. I love why people at home can't see Jordan as literally his teeth. He's biting his nails. I want to know. I want to know. I got a pen out. I want to write it down. I'm guessing you probably saw this, but something that I thought did something very formally interesting with this form last year. I didn't see it. I know what you're going to say. Go ahead. On Netflix. Maybe I didn't see it. maybe I did was called the perfect neighbor it was nominated it was nominated for best documentary at the academy awards so sad very sad uh nominated but did not win the academy award for best documentary last year it is I would call it true crime but it is not a talking head documentary it is not the formula that I just described a minute ago it is comprised entirely or almost entirely of police body camera footage from repeated trips that the police officers in this one area in rural Florida took to this one neighborhood where a woman was repeatedly calling the cops on her neighbors, claiming they were threatening her, they were harassing her, they were on her property, yada, yada, very clearly, because you can see all of this body camera footage that you can see that it was nonsense.

36:22And this, you know, the police talked to the neighbors. They talked to witnesses. The kids occasionally were a little loud playing field hockey next door. They were kids playing outside and maybe, you know, a ball might have fallen on her lawn and they went and picked it up. And obviously something horrible happened because I don't want to spoil too much about it. But we're talking about it in the context of true crime documentaries. So you know that some horrible crime was committed. Well, they show it in the first scene. You hear what happens in the first scene. I guess that's true. But the documentary captures kind of the agonizing run up to the crime and then the heartbreaking fallout of the crime.

37:02And it really asks the viewer to contemplate. I mean, not not not even just like the ethics of these kinds of movies, but are the laws of our society. Yeah. And how they are sometimes shielding the guilty instead of the innocent, really. And in some ways, this is one of the scariest movies. It's pretty wild. And what's interesting is that you do get to know the characters, including the main character who ultimately becomes the violent one. And you even start to, you know, I mean, she's clearly got mental problems. and you sort of feel for her in a way because you're just like, oh God, don't do it, don't do it.

37:45You know, go to therapy. Don't do this. Right. And it's really bad. And what it is is like the police, rare for a documentary where the police come out well because the police do everything they can. They can smell a problem coming a mile away in this film, but there's nothing they can do. Well, that's the thing. It's that the laws kind of, you know, do not really allow them to prevent something that seems very easy to see coming. You don't need to be a precog from Minority Report to know what's going to happen. No. But, you know, it's tough. It's a very good movie and depressing as all hell. It is, yes.

38:25Depressing in a different way from the crash. Yes. I want to stress that this is a harrowing film at times. Yeah, it's really sad. This is not something you sit and eat hers sour cream and onion potato chips while you are watching it. It is very difficult to watch. But I didn't, while I walked away upset and angry, that wasn't like, oh, I should not have watched that. I feel gross. It was, I have been, I have, my eyes have been opened in a way. And I see things more clearly. It was made by somebody with, it wasn't made by a schlockmeister. It was made by a real professional. Yes. There's people out there that sell shit.

39:01And there's somebody making a steak and somebody making a Burger King hamburger. And there's a difference. I mean, I've eaten some Burger King hamburgers. I'm pretty good. I've eaten them with you. Some of them have Spider-Man buns. Yeah, that's good. So this is, I think, the kind of proof that, yes, you can make something worthwhile, something genuinely valuable to society within the confines of the true crime documentary. You found it. That's the one in 100. It really is. So that's my recommendation. It is on Netflix. You can watch it on Netflix. It's called The Perfect Neighbor. That's a good one.

39:35All right. What is your recommendation? Well, I wanted to focus more on this gal, Mackenzie, and her fascination with social media and videotaping. Her videotaping. Listen to me, an old man. She got her VHSC. Ethel, did you see the camcorder? Get the slide projector. We're going to look at the slides. The way she would capture digital imagery on her telephone and upload them to various social media platforms. So I was reminded of a movie that dealt with it in a nuanced way. A young woman. Now, also, the other thing is this gal, Mackenzie, when she does this incident, when the incident happens, she's 17.

40:19She's been dating this gal for four years. This guy. Yes, dating Dom, the guy, for four years. And it's implied that she's been vlogging for that long and doing all kinds of stuff. So she was pretty young. She was probably in eighth grade when she started her path. And by the way, her dad sucks. That guy's an ass. I don't like that guy at all. Her mom, I felt bad for her, but that dad can go to hell. Right? He was a klutz. Allegedly. No, and that stupid. Allegedly. You're going to be in a true crime documentary trying to get your daughter out of jail? You wearing a dopey t-shirt like that? Who are you, Frosty from Collider?

40:55Put on a real shirt. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Ridiculous. The opinions of Jordan Hoffman do not necessarily represent the opinions of film spotting SVU. Was he or was he not wearing an inappropriate t-shirt to be talking about his daughter trying to get her out of jail, for God's sake? As I said earlier, no one comes off well in this film. No one. Okay, so the movie I want to talk about is Eighth Grade. Bo Burnham's Eighth Grade. A wonderful movie. Great movie. A masterpiece. I don't have to sell it because everybody loved it. It was a big critical success that I don't know if it was nominated for any awards, but it probably should have.

41:34And it got nothing but praise. It's probably got a 93 on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a really, really good movie. But the thing that I, there were two, there are three things about the movie that I love, one of which is not related to this. I love that there's the teacher at the very beginning who decides he wants to embarrass the kids. So he decides to dab. Remember the teacher is like, hey, kids. And he does that. I thought you were about to say, remember dabbing. Because I still, when I see my niece, who's now 19, I occasionally dab in front of her and it makes her want to throw up. It's hilarious.

42:05This poor young woman. She does laugh, though. Like, she can't help but laugh because Uncle Jordan's dabbing. She doesn't laugh, but it's fine. So dabbing is hilarious, by the way. Have you seen the gif of Darth Vader dabbing? Ethel, they're dabbing. It's hilarious. Dabbing is good and planking is good too. Remember planking? I guess I do. Sure. Planking was funny. If you were planking, that would be hilarious actually. Dab and plank simultaneously. Okay. But the thing that there's two sequences in eighth grade that I think are really great. One is that it shows her when she's like in her room.

42:44So much of it is her on her phone. I mean, she's really exploring the world and her sexuality and just thoughts about life. But there are sequences of her just like flowing through the, what they call the endless stream, the endless scroll. And it's set to Enya's, whatever that song is called. It's not called Sail Away. It's called something else. But, you know, the Enya song. That song. It's a marvelous sequence. It's so good. And I think about that. That movie came out like a long time ago already now, over a decade. 2018. Not over a decade. Close to a decade. Eight years. Eight years. There are times when we're all sitting on the bus, just scrolling, scrolling, looking at ads, looking at nonsense.

43:21And then I think to myself, I'm behaving like the kid in eighth grade and I hear Enya. And then the other thing is, though, the big conclusion, I don't want to give anything away, but like there's a moment of, you know, she and her father are a little bit estranged. and then they come together at the end. And part of what they do is they look at she made a time capsule of herself when she was even younger, when she was like in sixth grade or something. And it shows that, you know, the technology maybe isn't all that bad. If you put guardrails on it, you know, the ability to self-archive our lives, I mean, there is a positive spin to it.

44:00I mean, all of this doomsday stuff, you know, how the social media is killing kids and it's awful. And I get kind of freaked out by it. You know, if a good parent is watching their kid and taking care of business, they're going to be all right, hopefully. And I thought that that was a nice nuanced take on social media for youth rather than just like, oh, it's turning their brains into mush. And the rest of Eighth Grade is a terrific movie. I mean, it's only I'm sure it's only better now that it's eight years older and they're like the specific references like dabbing, for example, have now gone out of date.

44:36Probably the music other than Enya, which is a classic, is probably out of date. The clothing, maybe. But it is a great, great movie. Yeah, that's a nice that's a nice pick. I haven't seen it in a while now. I would be interested to see what it feels like now. I mean, sadly, I'm going to have an eighth grader in a couple of years. And the time perhaps will be right around then to revisit it. Keep that phone away from her, for God's sake. Don't give her a phone. Wait as long as you can. She doesn't have one. Don't give it to her. Let her if she needs to. You know, actually, I have some friends that have daughters younger than yours.

45:10Some friends, like you don't know them. I'm talking about Chris and Matt. And they gave them these fake phones that only call certain numbers that have to be pre-approved. Have you heard about this? Like they can call grandma. That's all they can do with it. Our kids have that too. You have that also? Yes. Just leave them with that. That's all they ever need. If they want to call me - I'm going to tell them when the next time they are like, where's my cell phone? I'll be like, Unky Jordan says, this is fine. One can watch Eighth Grade on, it's$3.99 on Amazon and Apple. It's worth the$3.99. And I think it's also on Hoopla.

45:47I looked that up earlier. does bazooka have it yeah i think i think this is one you have to pay okay 3.99 for but it's worth it it's worth it is a it's a wonderful movie i like that that's a very smart recommendation in this in this context especially i think that was a great a great pick as always make sure to share and subscribe to my channel gucci i think you're so cool maybe you just need to put yourself out there a little i'm gonna stop eating with you if you keep saying one you said i can say one thing

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49:32Yeah. Yeah. So mine comes from a listener. Oh, I don't think I wrote her name down. Hold on. Let's pause for one second. I'm going to get the name. I forgot to write it down. I apologize. I just want to point out that eighth grade, there's a price differential. Breaking news. If you want to spend$3.99, you can watch eighth grade on Apple. But if you want to save one whole dollar, you can do it on Amazon Prime Video or Fandango at Home, formerly known as Voodoo. 25 % off. You can save a buck by giving it to Bezos. And he needs it because his rocket just blew up. So, you know, he needs to buy a new rocket.

50:08All right. So here's my recommendation or my personal recommendation for one SVU listener. Remember, you can email us, feedback at filmspottingsvu.com, if you would like a personalized recommendation from Jordan or I, or both of us perhaps. This week we're each going to do one listener. We've gotten a bunch piling up, so we're each going to tackle one. And the one that I'm doing is from listener Kristen. Kristen writes, hello, Jordan and Matt. My 14-year-old daughter is really starting to get into film. She keeps asking about movies that are too inappropriate for her to watch. Most recently was Call Me By Your Name.

50:47She really likes musicals and dramas. What are some great films that I could show her that she would love? Thank you and keep up the great work with the show. And this is the most important part. This is the addendum to the email from Kristen. Jordan needs to stop winning the games. Kristen, I couldn't agree more. Listen, Kristen, when you got it, you got it. What can I tell you? All right. Well, this is an interesting request. Because it asks for a great film that can be showed to a 14-year-old who's getting into films, into movies. The 14-year-old in question likes musicals and dramas, but is also interested in movies like Call Me By Your Name.

51:30That could just be because Timothee Chalamet is sexy and she wants to see her. I can respect the 14-year-old being into Timothee. I don't have a problem with that. She should watch Wonka. Sure. Why not? I like Wonka. That's not my recommendation. Okay. I decided to go with a classic romance that I felt is very appropriate for a 14-year-old that I hope they would not only like but might be a gateway to discovering more films by one of, actually two of, my favorite filmmakers who have made a lot of films, wonderful films that I think a teenager could, that's interested in movies at least. I think I know what it is.

52:13Might be intrigued by. Do you know the filmmakers? Do you want to guess the filmmakers? I know that you are a big fan of Powell and Pressburger. That's correct. So I think you're going to recommend The Red Shoes. I'm not going to recommend The Red Shoes. I thought about that. Whoa. The Red Shoes is another one of the movies that I think would be great in this context. So what are you going to recommend? Well, the one I'm going to recommend is their wonderful romantic drama, maybe a dramedy from 1945. 145, I Know Where I'm Going, which is currently streaming on the Criterion channel. It is a romance, but it's also kind of a coming-of-age film.

52:52It's very much told from the woman's perspective. Here is this young woman in her 20s named Joan, played by Wendy Hiller. She's gotten engaged to this wealthy industrialist. Yeah, she's gotten engaged. She's going to be married. She travels from Manchester to the Western Isles of Scotland to get married. as the title suggests. Joan is strong. She's ambitious. She's confident. She knows where she's going. She thinks that marrying this guy who we never see, at least I don't want to spoil it, but we don't see him a lot. She thinks that this is the, you know, this is kind of the sensible path. This is going to lead her to a successful, happy life.

53:35And she arrives at the penultimate stop on this long journey to the island where she's going to get married. She's at the Isle of Mo, which is so close to the Isle of Killoran, where her fiance is, that she can actually like see it. It's like she's on one shore and she can see where she's supposed to be on the other shore. And then this series of weather mishaps traps her. First, a fog blows in. That night, she like prays to God to sweep away the fog with some wind, blow the fog away. And of course, it blows so hard that now the seas are too choppy to sail. She has to wait for the gale to die down.

54:15And while she's trapped, what should happen? Of course, she meets this handsome, hunky, maybe not Timotei Chalamet-level hunk, but a very handsome, strapping lad, a Navy officer named Torquil. And he's played by Roger Livesey. And he has this very warm, very reassuring presence. and the longer Joan is trapped with Torquil. Torquil? Torquil? That's a name that I struggle with. Yeah, they talk all English in this, so, you know. They talk all English in this thing. I don't know. The more that she spends time with this man, the more she's questioning her plans, all these plans that she's made. Should she marry the rich guy?

54:58Should she go with her head? Should she follow her heart? And it is a very simple movie, a very universal story. It has been told so many times before and after this film in every medium you could imagine. But the reason I think this is a good choice for a 14-year-old interested in film is that it shows you what great filmmakers like Powell and Pressburger can do. How they can elevate a simple story with great filmmaking and craft. And every choice here is so carefully selected. And the movie is so layered with themes and ideas, clever shots, beautiful shots, witty dialogue. And, you know, just the idea that Joan is so confident, she has such a clear idea of her life.

55:44And she shows up on this island and the fog rolls in and it's a literal fog and an allegorical fog. And there is this mystical element to the film that's so interesting because Torquil's ancestors are supposedly cursed. His whole family line is cursed. There is this whole element where the men in his family are cursed to be trapped if they ever step foot in this ancient, beautiful castle on the island. And it all feeds back into Joan's story. These ideas about freedom and free will and choice and these mystical forces in our lives. Chance, destiny, maybe divine intervention. How they inject ourselves into our lives without us even knowing it at times.

56:29Have you got any beams in your room? Yes. Why? Count them before you go to sleep and your wish will come true. As easy as that. Only the first night under the roof. People in modern houses don't know what they're missing. Good night. I warn you, it doesn't work if you don't believe it. It is so simply made. And some of these things are very almost invisible when you watch it. But the great thing about the Criterion channel is they have all these wonderful extras on there as well. And if you enjoy the film, there is the commentary for the film is on there as well. And I almost recommend the commentary as highly as I recommend the movie.

57:06Who does the commentary? A historian named Ian Christie. Not familiar. He gives just a wonderful, like the film 101 history of this movie and just in general of like filmmaking choices and all the things that Powell and Pressburger did to elevate this material. And you walk away from this movie that's so charming and lovely and romantic. And you like it, you walk, you walk away from this commentary going, this is the greatest movie. It is such a masterpiece. That is funny. sometimes we do back in the day when commentary tracks were more more common i remember one time um i watched uh and i do like most of his movies it was a curacao film i think it was red beard and it was one that i just didn't connect with And I watch Red Beard.

57:53I'm like, this one's boring. I like his other stuff. This is no Kagamusha. This is no Ron. This is not for me. It's no Seven Samurai. And then I said, let me try it with the commentary track. And by the time it was done, I was like, Red Beard is the greatest film in the history of the world. It's like he had convinced me that I was a fool and I just didn't see it. And in this case, it's not that I didn't like the movie. You liked it even more. I liked it even more. But it's showing you things that are, again, they're like invisible. Like the fact that Roger Livesey was never in Scotland, even though they shot some of the movie in Scotland.

58:22Well, they were very crafty gents. Yes. And that is some of the stuff you learn is the tricks that they used. And this is made at the end of World War II. So, like, there was a lot of trickery that had to go into making something like this. They were using the technology of the day. They were the Russo brothers of their day, really, when you think about it. I'm sure they would have loved that comparison. But as you mentioned, if you enjoy this, The Red Shoes is one of my all-time favorite movies. Sure. A Matter of Life and Death. A Matter of Life and Death, Colonel Blimp, all the greats. And you could go, yes.

58:58And most of them are available on the Criterion Collection and the Criterion Channel as well. So that was my pick. Oh, Black Narcissus is their masterpiece. Black Narcissus! That was enough. Maybe not. for that. That's the 301 level. Well, because this is someone who we're trying to give a gateway drug to, and I believe it was a 14-year-old girl. This is also hardcore British. So if you want to groom an Anglophile beyond simple Harry Potter and Enola Jones, or Enola Jones, Enola Holmes, excuse me, this will really do it, because this is real British. This is no Hollywood at all. This is British filmmakers making films for the British.

59:37If it exported, that was fine. So we're on their turf with their stuff. And it's really, really, really hardcore British. And it's very nice. It's pretty awesome. So that's my personal recommendation for our listener, our 14-year-old listener here. I hope she's not listening. Well, I hope Kristen's daughter likes that movie if they do watch it. I know where I'm going. It is streaming on Criterion. I know where I'm going to the Criterion channel. And if somebody doesn't have Criterion, can they spend$4 and get it on Amazon? I would assume so. I mean, you can always get—I mean, there is a beautiful Criterion.

1:00:15It was recently restored. It looks great because it was restored only a few years ago by the Film Foundation and the BFI. Yes. So— I am going to point out that it is a typical$4 on Amazon,$4 on Apple. Also, it's on Pluto TV with ads, but you don't want that. You don't really want to. It's free on Plex, probably with ads, too. I don't know how that works exactly on Plex. All right, cool. Well, I would like to read... Oh, it's in the script. It's on Tubi also. Don't watch it with ads. This is a masterpiece. You should either spend$3.99 or get Criterion Channel. Now, Matt Singer, I want to tell...

1:00:53Criterion Channel does have free trials, we should say. If you are not a subscriber, you could always check it out for a week and then cancel. What you do is you take off work from a week. You take a lot of no-dos and jolt cola and you watch as many movies as possible, then you cancel. I would like to tell the listeners a little story that goes like this. No, it's an email from listener Matt Young. Matt Young writes the following. Thrilled SVU is back. My request for a recommendation is simple. Colon. Cozy visions of the future. I spent years consuming post-apocalyptic or high-tech dystopias. I find myself re-watching films like Her and After Yang for comfort.

1:01:39Something about near futures with a glimmer of warmth to them is what the world needs. And then says stuff about blah, blah, blah. Okay, so that is a really good request because Matt Young is right. If a movie is set in the future, it's about how terrible everything is. And some of these, I mean, or at least just like how it's gross out. Like, you know, Blade Runner is just like, it looks cool, but I don't want to live there. You know, it's it's that's just the way most future movies are, which is unfortunate. And, you know, so where are the positive visions of the future? I mean, the obvious answer is Star Trek and the series and some of the films.

1:02:24And, but of course there is conflict in Star Trek, but so I'm not going to recommend any Star Trek. And I almost decided to, this is, I'm also not going to recommend 2010, the year we made contact. I'm going to find a way to whip that movie in as a recommended, an overlooked masterpiece. I mean, it's no 2001, but 2010 is cool because the first 15 minutes are set on earth and earth looks so awesome. It looks so Epcot Center turned to light. There's like a dolphin in a pool in their living room in that just hanging out. It's so awesome. But even that's kind of dark. If you if you remember 2010, like Russia and the U.S.

1:03:02are about to nuke each other and that it's kind of heavy duty. So I would like to recommend an independent film that played at Sundance in the year 2012 and then was released by Samuel Goldwyn Films, which puts out good movies, but they go straight into a black hole. Usually a Samuel Golden film means nobody ever saw it. So this movie stars, and maybe, Matt, you'll guess it, it stars a lot of cool people. Frank Langella. The coolest person, really, when you get right down to it. Frank Langella of Frost Nixon fame. Sure. Did you fornicate last night? Please don't ever do that again, please. And he's also on Star Trek Deep Space Nine.

1:03:50Of course. And he was in Masters of the Universe. I was going to say, he brings us back to Skeletor all over again. Susan Sarandon is in it. James Marsden is in it. Jeremy Strong, before he became famous, was in it. Right. Liv Tyler. I don't have it. I think you should tell us. Liv Tyler has a small part. Sam has a guest in the chat. Is he correct? The voice of Peter Sarsgaard, who rules in this. I don't want to steal it. Do you want to? He's right. Sam is correct. The answer is Robot and Frank. Good job, Sam. Robot and Frank. I am not sure if I've ever seen this movie, actually. Robot and Frank is a charming little Sundance dramedy.

1:04:35It's a comedy. Well, no, it's not a comedy. It's a dramedy. And it's just set a little bit in the future. The basic premise is that Frank Langella is an old man. He's living by himself and he has dementia. He's losing his marbles a little bit. And his son is, you know, he's a wheeler dealer and he's busy all the time. He doesn't have time to look after him. So he gets him a robot to help him around the house. And the robot just kind of looks, it kind of looks cheap. Like this is not a big budget movie. And so it just looks very plastic and it's not, you know, little Haley Joel Osment from AI. It's just like a white plastic robot with like a Moonman helmet.

1:05:21And it's really got like the Kuleshov effect there. Like you really project onto it because it's a pretty blank looking thing. But his voice by Peter Sarsgaard, who is great, much like TARS in Interstellar, has like a little bit of irony to his voice. but not a lot of irony to his voice. The basic premise is they live in a little town up in the Hudson Valley, and he's got a crush on the librarian played by Susan Sarandon. And there's some evil guy who's a rich guy who's going to change the library into a museum of libraries because it's the little bit of the future. He's like, nobody reads anymore, so why do we need all these books?

1:06:03And nobody takes out the books anyhow. Everybody's on their tablets. So it's a little bit of like, oh, modern modern tech is ruining things. But the Frank and the robot really do become friends in as much as somebody can become friends with the robot. And then it becomes wacky. Frank, we later learned had had some times he was an ex-con. He liked to steal. You know what stealing is? I don't have any thoughts on that. I know exactly who the first mark is going to be. OK, let's see what you can do. According to your file, you were first arrested for possessing stolen goods. I specialized in jewelry.

1:06:41That was your best time yet. I'm getting the hang of it. We're going to clean it. So they start going on some heists and it becomes a wacky heist movie between the robot and Frank Langella. Then there are some twists and turns and it becomes really sort of an inquiry into memory. You know, the robot can have his memory wiped. So what is, you know, where is sentience and what, you know, versus data. And of course, the main character is suffering from dementia and is slowly, slowly losing his memory. So it becomes very, very interesting. And like I say, there are some twists and turns. There's some adventure.

1:07:19There's a lot of hijinks. But it's basically like one of these like wacky old man with a pal, like Art Carney and the cat in. Oh, what's that one called? What's the great movie about Art Carney and the cat? but Harry and Tonto. Sam was on it. Harry and Tonto. It's Harry and Tonto. Quick draw Van Hogger, and they call him with those titles. It's not as good as Harry and Tonto, but it's in that ballpark. I believe it was the first film by director Jake Schreier. Jake Schreier, yes. I was looking this up, yes. He's now the big Marvel muckety-muck. Yeah, he did Thunderbolts, which was better than many Marvels.

1:07:59I mean, it wasn't great. It was, actually. And he's working now. He's supposedly making the X-Men movie. Yeah. I mean, Thunderbolts was as good as it could be. And he did Beef also. He was Mr. Beef. I don't know. Did he was the creator of Beef or was he? No, he was not the creator. I think he was just a director on the first season of Beef. He directed eight episodes of Beef. That's a lot of Beef. He directed eight pounds of Beef and was an executive producer. So he's in the mix. So this was the thing that made him. It was his indie, probably very low budget. It was his Sundance calling card movie.

1:08:32It was his Sundance calling card movie. And it really fits when Matt Young wrote and said, and I'm like, he's right. Where are other movies like? I mean, after Yang and her both have melancholy aspects of it. But there is a nuanced approach to technology in both of those films. And also the world is not falling apart in her. Like, everything looks nice. It's like, you know, a pleasant place to be. just don't fall in love with AI Scarlett Johansson and you'll be okay. And after Yang also - Now you tell me. So that's my pick is Robot and Frank. It's truly a lost, you know, there's so many great indie films come out and they make a splash at Sundance and people talk about them a little bit.

1:09:20But if they don't get nominated, if they're not Coda, if they don't get nominated for the Oscar, they get forgotten. More so than Coda has been forgotten. for God's sakes. So check out Robot and Frank and let us know what you think, Matt Young. And I'm going to help you, Jordan, and say that I believe it's currently streaming on the Roku channel, which you do not need a Roku to watch. You can watch the Roku channel. That's like another kind of free with ads streaming service. Kind of like a Tubi. Exactly. You can watch that. I watch it on my computer. I think they have an app you can watch on non-Roku devices.

1:09:52You can watch it on Apple TV? Look at that. That's cool. I think so. And it's also on Hoopla, which you mentioned earlier. Hoopla is similar to Canopy. It's like Canopy Jr. Hoopla. All you need is Bazooka Pop. Bazooka. And Hoopla. All you need is a library card to get Hoopla. And Yuku. It would be great if one of these things had a name you could say and still keep your dignity intact. It would be really nice. I think Apple is all you can. Apple. If you don't want to deal with ads or, no, you should watch it on Hoopla. If you have a library card, it's free. But if you don't have a library card,$3.99 on Prime Video,$3.99 on Apple.

1:10:34Or Roku Channel. You don't need a library card to use the Roku Channel. That's got ads. There's no ads on Hoopla. It's just that you only get X amount per month. Same with Canopy. You get like 12 tickets a month. And it's also on Fandango at Home, formerly known as Voodoo. Voodoo is another one.

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1:13:35Rixx! We had The Perfect Neighbor on Netflix. We had, what was your related? Oh, it was eighth grade. Eighth grade, which is, you got to pay$299,$399. That's right. You found it for rent. We had, I know where I'm going, exclamation point on the Criterion channel. And we had Robot and Frank, which we, as we established, because I said it 800 times, it's available on Hoopla. That's right. And the Roku channel. That's right. And if you would like a personalized streaming recommendation, we're throwing up the bat signal here. We did two this week, so the stack is a little lower. That's right. Send us a request.

1:14:19We love doing this. We enjoy. We're people pleasers. We like to help people. We live to give. We want to give you a streaming recommendation. So email us, feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us what kind of movie you're looking for or the sort of person you want a recommendation for, whether it's a loved one, a friend. The streaming services always help because if you give us the services, we will try to target it to the ones that you use. I would also like to hear from we've now made recommendations to many, including specifically some who wanted to show it to someone. So I'd love to hear how it went down.

1:14:56How did it go? Did we do a good job? I guess we don't want to hear if they're like you. That was a terrible choice. Because I can't remember what it was last week, but it was also for like a child. It was like, I want to show my kid X and we recommended. Yes, I know. I recommended a Muppet movie and you literally had steam coming out of your ears. Well, it was the wrong one. It was the wrong Muppet movie. That I dared to say that I liked Muppets Most Wanted more than the Muppet movie. Let's not get back into that. You were boiling with rage. It was a big hoopla. It was a big hoopla. It really was.

1:15:25So how can they reach us? What can they do? What can these people do? I already said it. You weren't paying attention, but I mentioned it. Feedback at filmspottingsvu.com is the email address. They can also contact us on Facebook. I should probably mention facebook.com slash filmspottingsvu. You can also, you can send it to us. You can send them there. I update that page multiple times every week. I've been doing that. That's me personally doing it in my own free time. You're welcome. And one last thing to mention, the great Sam Van Halgren is keeping a running list of every title we recommend on the show on Letterboxd.

1:16:00It is called Now Streaming on Bazooka. If you click read notes, when you find it on there, you can see all of our picks. And also he does a wonderful job of recapping what we say about them, where they are available. It is a fabulous resource. I have used it already myself to go, what did we say? Where was that thing? So it's excellent. I don't know if you can bookmark. I guess you can't really bookmark. You got to type in bazooka. You got to type in bazooka. But the easy thing is, that's all you got to remember. Just type in bazooka and then click on lists and it will come up. I can promise you it's the only thing on Letterboxd under lists named bazooka.

1:16:40But what's marvelous is that there are potentially people who have listened to most of this podcast that enjoy it. Poor unfortunate souls that they are. Let's say they started on episode two and not episode one and never made it to the first one. They have no idea what bazooka is and how it started. No. We probably should never explain it. We should just assume that everyone understands. There you go. There you go. Yes. We're going to have people Googling. I wish we could have the Google stats. People Googling, what is bazooka? What are they talking about? I'm looking at the old bazooka. Yeah, we mentioned some good movies.

1:17:17We have. We've mentioned a lot of good movies. All right. Hubie Halloween, for example. Is there a game this week? I think there is. And I think we should have Sam come in and let's play some games. Let's play a game. Let's play a game. Let's do it. I think I'm up 2-0, though. I got Harry and Tonto. I got Robot and Frank. If the game was tell the stupid hosts of this podcast what these movies are that they can't think of the names of, Sam would be winning. Sam, you love Harry and Tonto, right? It's so good, isn't it? Can I tell you how random it is? I actually had a Harry and Tonto poster on my bedroom wall growing up.

1:17:53I don't know why. I don't know why. It was one of these things, you know, they used to give out posters at the video rental stores. So you had it before you'd seen the film. I was a huge Art Carney fan. I've never seen the film. You still never seen it? Oh, my God. So you hung it up on your wall and never watched it? So it was 74. It was the year I was born. I think Harry and Tonto came out. I don't know. I just know that it existed on my wall. This is an incredible detail. You go back and look at who Art Carney beat in the 75 Oscars for best actor. My God. Yeah. Yeah. What an incredible detail.

1:18:29We should do an episode where we admit everybody's got gaps, even people that watch movies for a living. So we should all three of us do a special episode where we watch something that we've been meaning to watch forever. And Sam, I think clearly if you had a poster of this in the room, you must see Harry and Tonto. Well, you know what? It was a good point. One of the reasons why I never saw it's rated R. I was a kid. It was Art Carney and a cat. But keep those kids away from Art Carney. They can't handle it. Correct me if I'm wrong. You now are working for a very successful podcasting group dedicated to film.

1:19:07This is, you know, it's not The Godfather, but people know it. It's the second most important film of the 1970s after The Godfather. Nat Singer, have you seen Harry and Tonto? No, I haven't. Oh, my God. Next week on SVU, Harry and Tonto. Where is it streaming? Let's find out. Bazooka. It's got to be on Bazooka. Let's take a look. Have you seen Robot and Frank? That I saw years ago. All the classics. Harry and Tonto. Paul Mazursky made Harry and Tonto. Yeah, it's a good - Only available on disc, not available to stream anywhere. You're joking. Wow. Well, you know what? Don't listen to that. I got access to everything.

1:19:46We'll find it. I got a plex that will not get me a little bit. For one week, it'll be film-spotting disc video you get. Right. All right. What are we playing this week, Sam? We are playing a game inspired by your review, your concise review. You were so disgusted by the crash and just disgusted with yourselves. That's right. That you only spent 17 minutes on the crash, which is a new record. Good. That's all it deserves. So this game is called If You Can't Do the Time, Don't Watch the True Crime. on Amazon Prime or your preferred streaming platform. Okay. So that's the name of the game. So all of the answers are narrative adaptations of true crime cases.

1:20:27These are not documentaries. Oh, boy. Oh, wow. Okay. And so this is kind of a version of your key chain, but instead of key words, we're going with the key players of films. So, okay. Like the actors, the filmmakers. That's correct. The filmmakers, yeah, the other crew, then actors, and whatever else until it's very obvious. And these are fictional versions of true crime stories and documentaries. Yep. Are there any questions? Because I do feel like I don't know if I get the direction. I have a question. What is a true crime? Okay. No, I think it's clear. No, I'm not blaming you. I'm blaming my lack of clarity when I explain games.

1:21:07Please, Sam, you do enough. You do enough for us two morons. You do plenty. If you can't do the time, don't watch the true crime on Amazon Prime. It's another good title. I like this one. This is a good one. Number one. Okay, so get those buzzers ready. Get ready, Matt. I'm ready. I'm ready. Okay, so I'm going to start with the composer. Oh. Quincy Jones. Cinematographer Conrad Hall. Eh. Yeah, Jordan. In Cold Blood. In Cold Blood. Of course it is. Yeah. 1967 adaptation of Truman Capote's nonfiction novel about the 1959 clutter family murders in rural Kansas. Here he goes again. Here we go again.

1:21:47It's a good movie, and I will say - That one I have seen. That's a good one. Truman Capote, of course, very, very famous. Did you stand behind him online at a Sundance movie? I once was staying at - Did he buy a ticket from you at the Lowe's Freehold 6? This is like I was in college or something, and I was at a friend's - I'm Capote. If they're going to make a movie called Capote - I was at a friend's family beach house. So I was staying in the basement, and I was going to bed, and they had a copy of In Cold Blood there. So I started reading it. And I'm like, this is so good. Oh, it's so good.

1:22:30I want to borrow it. And so I took it, but I didn't really ask permission. And then I felt really, really, really bad about it. I stole from my friend's aunt, and I got in. Jordan. I hope she's not listening. I did the right thing. I got in touch with them and I gave it back to him. Like, please give this to your aunt. Because I don't know what came over me. But I was so compelled by the narrative, I suppose. It's so good. That I stole a copy of In Cold Blood. The book is great. The movie is very good. Yeah. Okay. All right. Jordan won. I won. Sam, two. That's right. That's right. Number two. We're going to start with the cinematographer, Greg Frazier.

1:23:10Greg Frazier. He's a new guy. Greg Frazier. Co-writer. Co-writer, Dan Futterman. Oh, I like that guy. Okay, we're going to go to the cast. Mark Ruffalo as David Schultz. Channing Tatum as Mark Schultz. Oh, wait, I know what this is. Yes, Matt. Is it Fox Catcher? Fox Catcher, director Ben Miller. Yes, yes. Special relationship between the eccentric multimillionaire John DuPont, Steve Carell, Olympic wrestling brothers Mark and Dave Schultz, culminated in a 1996 true crime murder. That's number two. We're tied. The not prolific Bennett Miller. I know. Make more movies, guy. He's only made two narratives and a great documentary called The Cruise, which I love The Cruise.

1:23:59It's one of my favorite. Well, Capote, great. Yeah. Foxcatcher, not so good. I liked it. It was all right. All right. Number three. We're tied up. Okay. Composer again. David Shire. I got to pay more attention to composers here, clearly. Cinematographer, Harris Savides. Oh. Oh. Oh. I'm waiting. I think I might not. Go for it, Matt. Is it Zodiac? It is Zodiac. Well done. Oh, very good. Woo. Woo. Wow. You got it. We had Mark Ruffalo again here playing another character named David. David Toski, of course. I don't think I knew that David Shire did Zodiac. I know. No, I thought that would kind of throw you off.

1:24:42It's like, because he's an old dude, right? Shire, yeah. Are there enough superlatives for Zodiac? It's as good as it gets. It's just so good. Amazing. Is it David Fincher's best film?

1:24:58I mean, what would the alternative answer be? Social network. I mean, people will say your fight clubs, your social networks. Fight club is not good. Your sevens. Seven's pretty damn good. Seven's pretty damn good. You're The Game, which is the only feature on a previous game. is an underrated motion picture. But I think at the end... Gone Girl, people love the true crime. I mean, he's made a lot of good movies. Mank. Also Mank. Mank. You know, joking around, though, The Killer. I love The Killer. The Killer is so good. The Killer is really good. The Killer is excellent. Underseen, probably. I think Zodiac is the correct answer.

1:25:27I think it is. That's the one. Well, I don't know. Social Network is so important. Social Network is very good, though. You know what? It doesn't matter. They're both good. No, we have to decide right now. It is so good. You should watch it if you haven't seen it. It's on Hoopla, Canopy, Paramount Plus. Hoopla. It's a Friday night recording, folks. We're a little - Yeah. We're a little punchy. We're a little loopy, a little punchy. A little hooped up. It's on YouTube TV and VOD. All right. So, two, one. Okay. Matt. Yeah. We move to number four. I think we have seven total, so just keep that in mind.

1:25:58Number four. Cinematographer, Kim Hyun-Koo. Composer, Taro Iwashiro. Okay. We've got actors Park Hy-il as Park Ho-yung-gyu and Song Kang-ho as Detective Park Du-man. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, Matt? Is it Memories of Murder? Memories of Murder, it's 3-1. I thought by just going Korean right away, we'd just jump in. I didn't know that was based on a true story. Yes, about a serial rapist and murderer from the 80s. I forgot that until you said the cast, I suddenly remembered. that was based on a true story. Oh, it's a good movie. Currently streaming on Parapult Plus. Amazing movie. I know you love this one, Matt.

1:26:45I remember that. Yes, I haven't watched it in a while, but yes, it is an amazing movie. All right, 3-1. Wow, this is your time. Should I end it? Should I just end it right here? No, no, I'm coming back. Wait, I think I see on the, it's not Zoom, but the system we're using here, I think I see a white towel being waved from central New Jersey over there. All right, here we go. No, it's just, Jordan is dabbing, of course. Dabbing, yes. He was dabbing. My mistake. I'm going to come back. I'm coming back. Number five. Yes. Number five. Title design by Saul Bass, of course. Yeah, well, he does all the title design.

1:27:20Composer. How about this? Duke Ellington. Anatomy of a Murder. Yes. I didn't even buzz. Anatomy. I didn't even buzz. I was thinking that was, I was about to, I was going, I think it's Anatomy of a Murder. George C. Scott, Ben Gazzara, Lee Remick, James Stewart. Really? I did not know that was amazing. I guess I didn't know that was based on a true crime. Based on the 1952 fatal shooting of a tavern owner by an army veteran who claimed that the man had raped his wife. It's available VOD. It's a good movie. Otto Preminger, the director. Another good movie. 3-2. Okay. And it has James Stewart saying the word panties over and over again.

1:27:56Panties. Which was a bit of a controversy back in the day. What would that sound like? It was a pair of women's panties. What's the next question? sound. We'll be here all night. This first clue is a real clue. It will sound maybe like it isn't, but it is very much a clue. Number six is 3-2 Matt. Art Direction by Jack Fisk. Oh, well, come on. This is not necessarily, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it may not really be based on a true story. It's loosely based. Alright, it's Badlands. Okay, yes. oh I love we always manage to get I mean now it's one left and it's tied no he waved the white dab you saw it you saw it and knew it this should have been over minutes ago loosely based on a 1958 murder spree by Charles Starkweather and Carol Ann Fugat the reason it's a clue for those of you that don't know Jack Fisk of course is the husband of Sissy Spacek the co-star of the film.

1:29:05Right, right, right. Did they meet making that film? Probably. They did meet up. It's, of course, Terrence Malick. For them, they were good lands. Yeah. I watched this again not long. I've seen it. EGEO 5. I've seen it many times over the years, but I have watched it within the last six months, and it's still damn good. Still good. It's still damn good. It's unbelievable. I'm due for a revisit of that one. Okay, this is it. It's tied. Oh, man. It's exciting. Oh, not again. Here we go again. Here we go again. Okay, we're going to jump right to the cast with this one. The cast features that guy's Pruitt Taylor Vince.

1:29:43Oh, yeah. Scott Wilson, who, to bring this full circle, played killer Richard Dick Hickok in In Cold Blood. Scott Wilson. Oh, man. Okay. Also Bruce Dern in this film. Bruce Dern. Bruce Dern. Also Christina Ricci. Oh. Monster. Oh, no. Matt no sorry we did it again Khan I've actually never seen this movie I've been meaning it just slipped through the cracks how did you know what it was because as soon as he said based on a true true crime I knew eventually Monster would come up and I knew it was Charlize and Christina Ricci the one that I thought of the only movie that I thought of beforehand you did not cite Which was?

1:30:35I think it's called Devil's Knot. The Adam Agoyan. Didn't he make a West Memphis 3 fictional film? Oh, did he really? Yeah, he did. I didn't see it. Yeah, you're right. I don't think I've seen it. But those documentaries, and you want to talk about - Oh, of course, West of Memphis. And yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. The Paradise Lost documentaries are truly great true crime documentaries. Yeah, very compelling. And I think that, I'm going to look it up. I think it was called Devil's Not. I think that does sound familiar. Well, I didn't, Devil's Not winning the game. Yes. Patty Jenkins, of course, the director of Monster, based on the string of murder robberies.

1:31:15I haven't seen that one. The quote unquote first female serial killer, Eileen Wuornos. I have not seen that one. Yes, that's available to OD. You could have told every, I think until you got to Charlize, I would not have gotten it. Apex Star. Apex Star. I haven't seen that since it came out. So it is not, that would not have been on the tip of my tongue. Jordan? Yeah. You know what? But there's a documentary about her. There is. There's a documentary about Eileen Wuornos, which I have seen. It's very upsetting. So, yeah. Very upsetting. Well, you know. Almost as upsetting as Jordan winning yet again.

1:31:46I mean, it was fair and square. The listeners know it was neck and neck. I came from behind. This was a comeback for the ages. Oh, wow. What were the ones that - I'll be telling my children about when I blew the - It was like - We did In Cold Blood. We did In Cold Blood. We did Foxcatcher. Foxcatcher. That was the one. Yeah. We did Zodiac. Memories of Murder. Zodiac. Zodiac. Memories of Murder. Badlands. Yeah. I like a lot of these movies. I think I enjoy the fictional movies of the true crimes than I do the documentaries. I feel less gross watching it. Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's what it is.

1:32:26All right. Well, let's wrap this up. I mean, you guys are doing well. You want me to start with the rundown of these theatrical releases titles? Yeah, then you can throw it to me. I'll throw it to you at the beginning. Matt, now that you've lost the game, you are condemned to read the... Tell the listeners what's coming out on streaming this week. So first up, theatrical releases that you'll be able to rent or buy. We've got the Michael Jackson biopic, Michael, about the life of Michael Jackson, or at least the parts of it before anything problematic happened. That's right. We have Mortal Kombat 2, the sequel.

1:33:09The Squeakquel, I think, was the subtitle there, the recent Mortal Kombat sequel. Those are both going to be available on Tuesday, June 9th. And there's a new Street Fighter coming to theaters also. Yes. I cannot keep those franchises apart. They're the same to me. Really? Because I never played the games. I could have written a dissertation on the differences between Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat. I was more of a Tekken fan myself. I was playing Rishua Fighter. It was primal rage or nothing for me. I was playing chess is what I was doing. Please go on. What else after Mortal Kombat 2? We also have some theatrical releases that will now be on streaming.

1:33:52Nice. It's Zazie Beats versus a satanic cult in They Will Kill You, which is coming to HBO Max on June 12th. I saw this movie. Actually, I enjoyed it. I think this would be a really fun midnight movie on streaming. You get some friends and you're watching a late night movie, having some beverages. I think it's a very enjoyable movie. It came out right after Ready or Not 2. Like, literally, I think it came out the next week. And they have very similar premises. And obviously Ready or Not 2 is a sequel to a movie that came out a few years ago with the same premise. So it might have felt a little kind of been there, done that, I suppose.

1:34:32But I thought Zazie Beetz was a lot of fun in it. And it has a lot of visual verve. If you're looking for a movie that has a lot of... This is not a movie that was shot with a camera locked off in the volume. There's camera moves galore. There's wacky sets. There's a lot of violence. It's a fun midnight movie. They did their best to take cues from the side-scroller video game motif, if I'm not mistaken. There's a couple of moments like that in there. Yes, absolutely. So, They Will Kill You on HBO Max on June 12th. Now, Jordan. Yes. Can you give us some titles that are coming for the first time?

1:35:12You could only see them on streaming. These are new to streaming. This is what we pay for. on Shudder, the great Shudder which is a great deal, great bargain for great horror movies days old and days new find your friends LA gal pals escape the city for a weekend in Joshua Tree but they still haven't found what they're looking for that's a U2 joke for a weekend in Joshua Tree but the locals don't want them there a little deliverance action it stars Helena Howard not to be confused with hell in a handbasket hey it stars helena howard who you may know from madeline's madeline and i saw the tv glow and bella thorne who we know from the babysitter so that's coming up on shutter to netflix the big red one i am frankelda which is a stop motion animated film a frustrated young mexican writer travels to a kingdom of her own invention which is populated by the monstrous characters she created in her own horror tales.

1:36:16Tim Burton, Eat Your Heart Out. I'm always ready for a stop motion film if it's true stop motion, not if it's CGI AI crap. When it's actually somebody in their basement for five years moving little dolls around, that's when I get impressed. Right. Also, oh, that's it. Well, that's it, but we've got to discuss what are we going to talk about next week? Do you want to, if you like stop motion animated movies, should we make it that? The other, some other options that are out there that we have discussed off the air. Tell me. John Travolta's somewhat eclectic passion project that played at Cannes where he dressed in costume like a director.

1:36:55Propeller One Way Night Coach. Yeah, I don't know. It's available on Apple TV. I don't know if I can, I don't know if I want to do that one. I don't know. There's Miss You Love You on HBO Max with Allison Janney and Andrew Runnels. And there's also, we may have even mentioned this last week, but there is sure to be kind of the new thing flying up the charts on Netflix is the new Jennifer Lopez and Brett Goldstein rom-com with the most generic title that could possibly be, you know, could be spit out, could be not regurgitated, just regurgitated out of your algorithm. Office Romance. It's like murder mystery.

1:37:33It's like they have murder mystery. Now they have office romance. Well, I do. I don't know. And who directed this? It's Oliver Parker. All Parker. And All Parker did Ticket to Paradise, which I kind of liked. Mamma Mia. He did the two exotic Marigold Hotel movies. He did the best exotic Marigold Hotel. He wrote it. He didn't direct it. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. He's a writer on those. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. and who and the the one with Alice and Janney I do like Alice and Janney what is that one called again that one it's called Miss You Love You on HBO Max you love you um let's see here this is yeah there she is I do love that Alice and Janney Oscar winner Alice do you miss her and love her it's directed and written by a guy named Jim Rash and Jim Rash I got a Jim Rash once when I I was sweating too much in my shorts.

1:38:32Did you ever get a Jim Rash? I don't really like to talk about those sorts of things. Jim Rash is more of an actor than a director. What is this man's, what is his career? What is this going on here? I love people listening to you discover these things in real time. He is an actor, but he's also a filmmaker. Didn't he write, didn't he write Downhill, which was like the, he also directed it, The remake of Force Majeure, the American remake of Force Majeure. Which wasn't bad, but it was unnecessary. It was totally unnecessary. He co-wrote and co-directed The Way Way Back, which was a nice little coming-of-age movie.

1:39:08I saw that. It was not terrible. Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe we should go with J-Lo. I mean, she's a superstar, right? We should see what she's up to. Okay. I'm not opposed to it. Sam, what do you think? I'm intrigued by this Frank Helda, but I don't know. I would listen to you guys talk about anything. Oh, I mean, clearly. At this point, if you're still here. The crash. I know what's going to decide it. What's the shortest one? Oh, propeller. John Travolta's propeller right away night coach is 61 minutes. No, I can't do that. You can't do it. All right. Well, we'll figure it out. Let's leave some mystery.

1:39:44You got to tune in next week. Find out. It'll be one of those things. Let's put it that way. You got a 25 % chance, whatever you want to hear, that it's going to be that because those are the four options for next week. In the meantime, remember you can send your feedback to feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. You can also ask for a personalized streaming recommendation there as well. If you want to find us on social media, which as you can tell from our review of The Crash, we're huge fans of, you can find me on Instagram and Letterboxd at SuperPulse. I'm also on BlueSky at Matt Singer. Jordan you on Blue Sky are what?

1:40:26Jay Hoffman and I'm Jay Hoffman on X too which is a dormant X but it may be coming back to life soon if you follow me on X I'll follow you back oh boy and don't forget if you heard the first episode that I was on I am the guest on the most recent pair of episodes of the Next Picture Show we talked about Shogun Assassin on one episode and then the next episode we talked about The Mandalorian and Grogu. Jordan's favorite. Film Spotting SVU is produced by Sam Van Halgren. And I'm Matt Singer. And I'm Jordan Hoffman. Thanks for listening.

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