The State of Streaming: Netflix | SVU

10:40Matt Singer:They were trying to be the elitist snob version of Netflix. And they failed because they were focusing more on Eric Romare films and whatnot, as opposed to having 2 ,000 copies of Batman Begins. So, but then I eventually relented and got Netflix. But here's the funny part. Here's what I really wanted to bring up. This is quick. When the streaming first started, I had, when I got my first Blu-ray player, I just looked this up the other day. I got, you know, I was a DVD guy. There's a new thing. There's Blu-ray. I'm like, oh, give me a break. A new thing, Blu-ray. And then it's like, no, you got to get Blu-ray.

11:18Matt Singer:It's better. Fine. I got a Blu-ray player. And it had an attachment. it had four things at the bottom you could click a yellow a a green b a red c or a blue d and it had access to other platforms on the blu-ray player that you could stream one was youtube believe it or not one was pandora radio which i did use from time to time another one was netflix obviously and then the fourth one can you guess was it bazooka It could have been bazooka. It would have been better. It was Blockbuster. Oh, sure. Blockbuster in their death throes.

11:55Jordan Hoffman:What was it called? It had a name.

11:57Matt Singer:It was called like Blockbuster First Rental or something. I don't know. But it was their last ditch, holy shit, we got to catch up. And they tried to be Netflix. But I never used it because it was something that you could use with Wi-Fi. But Wi-Fi wasn't that good for me yet. I didn't have a good wife, but this was early. This was like 2000, 2001 or whatever. But I had another friend who had the same machine, and he just had a really long cable that went from the thing into the cable, and he plugged it in that way. But my cable wasn't big enough. My wife didn't want me to get an extension cord through the house, and I never used it.

12:36Matt Singer:All right, now let's talk about Netflix.

12:40Jordan Hoffman:okay so um with that preamble out of the way the way we're going to do this is we've got a bunch of categories we're going to discuss one by one different kind of universal subjects we can discuss about any streaming service we want to talk about so they are the library how easy it is to find the titles and what they have the playback interface how easy it is to watch rewind do whatever you want to do with what you're watching. The reliability, kind of what you were just talking about. How good does it look? How often does it crash? Is there issues with the graininess, with that being out of sync?

13:18Jordan Hoffman:The originals library, how much do they have? How good are they? How often do you actually want to watch the things they are making just for this service? And last, and most important probably for a lot of people, the price. How much do they charge you and is it worth it. So that's it. So let's dive right in. We've already yammered on about an obsolete format for seven minutes. So we might as well now talk about the actual subject of this episode.

13:47Matt Singer:History is important. Don't forget your history.

13:50Jordan Hoffman:That's right. You're absolutely right. So let's talk about Netflix's library first. Do you have any general thoughts about the size of it, Jordan? And it's not just the size that matters. It is how you use it. How easy is it to find things on Netflix?

14:07Matt Singer:Well, it is funny because we're old enough to remember Netflix first being through the mail where they really did have almost every DVD you could want. An enormous catalog, yes. And it's been a long-term bait and switch because now their catalog is pretty lousy in terms of other movies, especially older movies.

14:24Jordan Hoffman:Things they didn't make, things that predate Netflix. Exactly.

14:27Matt Singer:Good luck finding anything older than Smoky and the Band. No, Airport. Airport was the oldest movie I could find. So it's 1970, I think. But their homegrown stuff, the stuff that either they produce themselves or that they acquire, is the industry standard. I mean, it is great. There's always something big happening on Netflix. Right now it's Lord of the Flies, which we talked about last week. And there's that Sally Field thing that's big. and next week it's going to be something else that's big. And it's always, there's always a big Netflix show. If it's Anya Taylor-Joy playing chess, or if it's Love on the Spectrum, which I've never seen, but people really like, or their British Throwdown baking show, glassblowing shows, which my wife consumes regularly.

15:15Matt Singer:I mean, they are a really good creator of very watchable things, you know? I mean, you get hooked.

15:22Jordan Hoffman:So let's, okay, so let's -

15:24Matt Singer:They're doing that well.

15:25Jordan Hoffman:Sure. And we can discuss that more in our section about like specifically the things that they're making. We can talk about how many and what we like. But let's focus more before we move on on what you were saying about the bait and switch, I think, is a good way of describing it. And I have no way of ascertaining this. I wish I could. I hope somebody figures it out. I would love to know how many non-originals are streaming on Netflix right this moment, as we record this in the middle of May of 2026, versus when they first launched that service in 2007, I think it was. It's surely gone down. When I was doing some actually doing research for my upcoming book, Funny Business, which will be available on October 6th and you can preorder right now.

16:15Jordan Hoffman:I was looking at the origins of Netflix because that's actually the timing of that, I think, is very important to what was happening in Hollywood in the late 2000s into the early 2010s. And I found an article with Reed Hastings, the grand poobah of Netflix for many years, you know, saying, oh, we don't expect this to, you know, we expect our DVDs to be around for a very long time. You know, we have 70 ,000 DVDs and we have like 7 ,000 streaming titles or something like that. And I don't know if the numbers he was throwing out were just hypotheticals. But just the idea that Netflix at any point would have like thousands of non-Netflix movies in this day and age is unconceivable.

17:02Matt Singer:Yeah, it's lousy. And it is, I mean, Netflix is not where you go to find a good old movie, which is weird because for some people it's the only service they have they don't have hbo max or hulu or whatever so if you want to if you want to watch a movie you love you want to watch indiana jones you're out you're out of luck that's right not only that they have so much of their own material it is impossible to find anything so this kind of leads to the big question you were getting to which is how how what is their navigation like and the answer is it's absolutely abysmal it's terrible i don't i don't have any solutions for them other than having a button that says A to Z.

17:37Matt Singer:I mean, an A to Z would be nice, but for whatever reason, they don't have an A to Z.

17:40Jordan Hoffman:Well, but let's just say this. Until recently, they did have one. And literally in just the last few weeks, while we were prepping this episode, I discovered this, they got rid of it. Until recently, if you looked at Netflix on your laptop, on your laptop, your computer, you could, there was a way you had to go through a few steps, but you could see every title on Netflix. You had to go through them by genre, but you could list from A to Z, from Z to A, or from the year they were released, you could go through the entire Netflix catalog, which for dorks like us, that's important, right? I want to be able to recreate the kind of experience of browsing a video store when I'm using these services where I can just kind of look at everything and say, oh, I did want to see that.

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21:16Matt Singer:When I was poking around and I wasn't using my laptop, and I sometimes do watch enough, on my laptop, but I was using my, I was in front of my TV and I have an Apple TV. I used to have Roku. Now I have Apple and Apple's pretty good. It is impossible to find anything. You have to click on the little magnifying glass for search. And so I'm just going to tell you a little bit of some of the things I did when I clicked on search. You click on search and then it does auto populate some categories for you. And those are primarily alphabetical. and I saw one that said astrology and this was a category like you would expect it is.

21:52Jordan Hoffman:I noticed this as well. It's a recent addition to the it's listed under genres when you look.

21:57Matt Singer:You would think that's where comedy documentary, you know, but astrology cycle, what the hell's in astrology? I clicked it and it was stranger things. Okay. And now we're not alphabetical because S is not, it was stranger things. The movie, the fifth element. All right. Maybe independence day. Welcome to earth. That's not astrology. Stargate SG-1, the series, maybe. Sounds more like these are all astronomy. Do they not know the difference between those two words? But then here's where it gets weird. Then they had some series that I don't know if these were originals or not. One was called The Minimalists, Less Is Now, and it's maybe about decluttering your house.

22:33Matt Singer:And another one was called Headspace, Guide to Sleep. And I said, what the hell is that? I clicked on it. It was like a health special, a four-part health special on how to get better sleep. What does this have to do with astrology? Absolutely nothing. So I got out of that category and I started looking around some more and I said, you know what? Let me try to find classics, something old, because I'm an old man. And they had, there was no classics. I said, let me type in the word classics. So I typed in the word classics and there were some things that came up, some of which I will give them credit for.

23:04Matt Singer:They were relevant. Like I said, movies from the eighties, if you consider those classics. Those are classics, absolutely. I'll get to that in a minute. But then this is what's fascinating. They had some other things. What you populate is the first thing on the left. I typed in classics, it said, vintage movie classics, colon, it's war. So I said, oh, this must be war movies. I'm going to see Patton and they were expendable. So I clicked on vintage movie classics, it's war. And it said, and by the way, they brought the topic up to me. I didn't bring it up to them. it said we don't have vintage movie classics it's war but you might like instead colon airport sure old at least by the 1970s it's not a war movie i love airport by a good movie then it had colossal which is like from 2015 remember that one with i think ann hathaway that's not vintage good movie it's not vintage it's war yeah then i had fletch fletch is not a warmer.

24:05Matt Singer:Well, it's a war of the

24:07Jordan Hoffman:soul when you think about it. He's a man torn asunder with all his different persona.

24:12Matt Singer:I got the hell out of there and I clicked the next one, which was Vintage Movie Classics colon colon sorry, it was TV classic westerns colon US Marshall. And I said, alright, TV classics westerns US Marshall, what's that? Nothing. It said, same thing. We do not have it. Give me a break. So then I got back to it, and here's what it is. They had movies from the 70s. I'm like, what do you got? They had nine movies from the 70s. Nine. Slapshot, American Graffiti, Airport, and then The Great Waldo Pepper, which is, I'll give them credit. That's a weird deep cut. That's a deep cut to have on Netflix.

24:51Matt Singer:But that's not like anybody's top. Like, where's The Godfather? Where's something people want to watch? And then of the nine, three of them were Bollywood movies. Now, I love Bollywood movies, but that should be in the Bollywood section. I mean, movies from the 70s should be, you know, Sidney Lumet movies. Same thing with the 80s. I think it was even fewer than. Right. I clicked on classic romance. Here's what they have. Tootsie, Pretty Woman. Sure. She's got to have it. There's something about Mary. Those are four good movies. That's solid. Yeah. I don't consider those classics. I mean, there's something about Mary.

25:24Jordan Hoffman:It's better than some of these other options you've said.

25:26Matt Singer:And then four Bollywood movies. Again, no diss to Bollywood, but classic romances. because I want to see Catherine Hepburn in summertime. You know, what's going on?

25:33Jordan Hoffman:Yeah. You're not going to find that. Ridiculous. We need to wrap up this area of our discussion or we will be here literally all day. But you're touching on all the things that I found when I was looking for anything. It's very difficult to navigate, very hard to see what they have, and then what you find is often very disappointing. I did just want to very briefly mention there, did you see the thing called, like, Match Your Mood?

25:58Matt Singer:Yeah. What the hell was that?

25:59Jordan Hoffman:It's another very strange thing that they're pushing now where it's like kind of like the astrology, I guess, where instead of a genre, it's like, well, how are you feeling? And we'll give you a movie based on that. But then some of them are just like, well, this isn't a mood. Like one of them was called Activating Beast Mode. Okay.

26:18Matt Singer:This is taken directly from Spotify's book, by the way. Is that what it is? Is that the playbook they're copying? There's a great book that came out about a year ago called Mood Machine, all about the inner workings of Spotify. It's fascinating. Okay. And they're following that. Okay.

26:34Jordan Hoffman:So let's give a score here on this category from zero to 10. What would you rate the library and the ease of searching for Netflix? You want me to go first?

26:45Matt Singer:I give it a one.

26:46Jordan Hoffman:Whoa. Okay. Really bad.

26:48Matt Singer:Well, when we get to our rec seg, it dovetails from my inability to find something that Netflix produced. I couldn't find it on Netflix. Okay.

26:57Jordan Hoffman:All right. I'm going to do a little better because I feel like they're, I don't know, one seems too low, especially for the first time we're doing this. I'm going to give it a three. I'm going to give it a three. I'll give it a two.

27:07Matt Singer:I'll give it a two. Okay. I feel bad.

27:09Jordan Hoffman:We got to write these down somewhere so we can keep track. I'll write them down here. Yeah, you write them down. Jordan gave it a two and Matt gave it a three. Okay.

27:17Matt Singer:All right, let's move on to our next topic. I will say, by and large, when my wife is the primary Netflix viewer and she will be watching The Great British Bake Off, and then when it ends, she sees the recommendation and says, oh, that looks good, and that keeps the cycle going, so it works for her. When I go to watch Netflix because I'm in the biz, as you are, I kind of know what I want to see. Why did you just put on sunglasses as you said that? So I'm rarely doing the search. I'm like, oh, I got to watch Lord of the Flies. Is that a Hulu? No, that's a Netflix. Okay, let me go and type in Lorde.

27:50Matt Singer:So I know what I'm doing there. But if I were just like an everyday guy going to the video store, what's on Netflix, you're not going to find – you'll find something to watch. There's four million things that look interesting, but you're not going to really find a good movie. You're going to find –

28:04Jordan Hoffman:Increasingly, and it's – I mean this is not – you don't need us to tell you this. They're focused on their original content that they control forever, that they don't have to license from other people. Yeah. And that will just keep you in the Netflix ecosystem as long as possible. All right. Let's move on to our next category, which is the playback interface. When you're using this on your, you said your Apple TV. I also use Apple TV. I also use my laptop a lot. You know, the actual interface of what you're using, how do you like it? Are you satisfied with the experience?

28:37Matt Singer:I do like it. It's fine. It's intuitive and it works well. There are some other streaming services that are not intuitive. I think Paramount Plus is annoying. Plex is impossible. But the Netflix interface is good. I have no notes. I really don't. It's fine.

28:54Jordan Hoffman:It's perfectly acceptable. You got the skip forward and back, which I appreciate because I like to skip back. Sometimes I miss a line of dialogue. Yeah, it's very easy. on my computer when I'm using it, play, pause, skip forward, back volume, audio subtitles. Speed. Oh, we got to talk about that. This is a thorny issue that I think we should discuss another time when we have more time.

29:15Matt Singer:I will say, though, speed only works on your computer.

29:19Jordan Hoffman:Is that true?

29:19Matt Singer:If you try to use speed, at least on Apple TV, you can't. You can't make it a little quicker.

29:24Jordan Hoffman:Speed meaning you're able to on Netflix if you wish to watch something at 1.5 speed, meaning everyone's kind of chipmunking a little bit. if you're bored and you just want to get through something. That is an option. If you wanted to watch Eyes Wide Shut, precisely how Stanley Kubrick always intended, with the people in the big mansion scene moving, thrusting, I guess, even quicker at 1.5 speed, you could do that. Now, you can also slow it down. I don't know why anyone would want to, maybe if you wanted to watch that exact same scene longer, I suppose. If you've had a really rough day and you're just going slow, man.

29:58Matt Singer:The speed manipulation, I will confess, I have used from time to time. It's good for podcasts. There's somebody listening to this podcast at 1.5.

30:06Jordan Hoffman:Sometimes it's good for trashy documentaries is where I sometimes use it.

30:10Matt Singer:You can't, Poop Cruise, if you're watching Poop Cruise.

30:12Jordan Hoffman:That's a perfect example. Literally a crappy documentary, but anyway.

30:16Matt Singer:You can't do it on the TV. But the other thing that I like is that it's very intuitive on how to put the subtitles on and off because I like to have subtitles on. My wife hates it. We're old, yes. We all like having subtitles. And she's always like, turn the words off. Turn the words off. So when we're doing it, and if it's Paramount Plus or one of the others, it's like, oh, Christ, where the hell is it again? I don't know. It's one of these buttons. I accidentally hit the wrong button. For Netflix, it's intuitive. Hats off to them.

30:41Jordan Hoffman:So let's give it a score. What's the score for the playback? Eight. I'm going to go exactly the same. Eight for me as well. Eight out of ten. All right. Now, next topic. I'm calling this like the reliability. how often are you watching Netflix and there's an issue where you go oh it's you know oh it froze or I gotta stop it or I suddenly everything gets blurry on the screen anything like that does that

31:07Matt Singer:happen to you when you're using Netflix no it's good I know that when they do their live uh shows they had some glitches the first time they did a major sports event live uh which I didn't see but uh I have I think they're fine they got the bandwidth they got the power they got the big red juice so they get a thumbs up for me on their uh on this category okay generally i will agree but

31:31Jordan Hoffman:i will say this is something maybe this is just me i don't know if anyone listening will agree with me maybe someone listening will be like yes this is happening to me i thought i was the only one lately when i am watching again like i i do a lot of watching in the evenings on my computer because i don't have a television in my bedroom so when i'm you know before i go to sleep a lot of times I'll be watching things on my laptop.

31:54Matt Singer:That's because the bedroom is not for watching. It's for making love.

31:58Jordan Hoffman:I don't I don't I don't care for that at all. So when I'm watching these things on my laptop, the thing I've noticed recently, and I don't know if Jordan has noticed this, maybe Sam has, maybe no one has, maybe it's just my computer, is that I have this occasional issue where suddenly the stream will kind of stutter for a second. And then when it starts up again, the audio is out of sync with the picture. And it's not a big deal. You just have to refresh the page or reload it and it starts working again. But this is something that I have. This is not an isolated. It's happened to me one time. This is something that happens to me at least once every couple of days.

32:40Jordan Hoffman:I have this issue and it's been going on, I would say now for at least a month or two where it's persistent enough that I'm raising it here. So I would say the visual quality on Netflix is very good. I would say it's generally more reliable, more consistent than I have. There are other services. I don't know about you, Jordan, but when you're watching them, sometimes you'll notice that the quality goes down as the internet buffers or whatever it is. I very rarely have that issue on Netflix, but that issue with the sync is something I've been encountering lately. So I have to bring in a few points for that.

33:15Matt Singer:That may not be a Netflix issue. That may be a, if you use Spectrum or Fios or whatever you use, it could be a connection issue.

33:22Jordan Hoffman:It's possible, except I have not encountered this very specific glitch on any of the other services, which I use like a half a dozen other ones all the time in the same conditions.

33:33Matt Singer:Yeah, no, I mean, that's unfortunate. Maybe you need to update or something, But I have not experienced that. But if you want me to get Reed Hastings on the phone, he can try to work it out. I would love that.

33:43Jordan Hoffman:Can you text him?

33:44Matt Singer:You know, I once had a very long conversation with Reed Hastings without knowing who he was.

33:50Jordan Hoffman:This is a classic Jordan anecdote that just comes in out of nowhere.

33:55Matt Singer:We were at Sundance and we were online to see something and we were in the more exclusive line. I didn't realize how exclusive.

34:03Jordan Hoffman:Yes.

34:03Matt Singer:And when you're at Sundance and you're waiting on a line for 32 minutes, you schmooze to the guy next to you. Sure. And his name badge was reversed. And we had a really fun conversation about all kinds of topics. And at the end, I said, hey, by the way, my name's Jordan. He goes, oh, hey, I'm Reed. I'm like, hey, Reed. And I'm like, are you a film critic too, I said? And he's like, no. And he turns his badge around. I'm like, oh, you're Reed Hastings. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know you. I'm like, I said, I think I made a joke. I'm like, oh, I'm getting that disc back in the mail any day now, I swear.

34:32Matt Singer:He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on. But I had had a conversation with him for like 40 minutes. And then he was like, security, get this lunatic away from me. He was a zillionaire. So there you go. Seemed like a nice chap. I liked him then. What movie were you waiting for? Do you remember? I do not recall. It was some, I don't know. Rochelle Rochelle, I'm guessing. It was Rochelle Rochelle. It was at the Eccles Center where the bad pizza lives. If you know it well, I'm sure.

34:56Jordan Hoffman:All right. So let's give a score for reliability. I don't think we did that. From zero to 10, what's your score for the reliability of the Netflix experience? I give it a nine. Wow. Okay. I'm going to give it a seven because of those issues that I was talking about. All right. Let's move on to, we've already kind of touched on it, but we should probably spend another minute or two. The originals, the original content they produce, the quality of it, the breadth of it. And I would say also, like, how often do you find yourself going, like, you know, afterwards? Like, would you have paid to see this movie beyond the whatever price we're going to talk about price?

35:36Jordan Hoffman:But, you know, like, is it worth, you know, a lot of times when you're only paying one monthly fee, the threshold is lower. But let's say you had gone to see this for fifteen dollars and driven and taking the time. How often would you be like, what waste of our time and resources that was?

35:51Matt Singer:This is really where the movies and the other content are separate because they excel at their, you know, Queen's Gambit, Emily in Paris, which I think is a Netflix, you know, those shows that are. Yes, it is. It is those shows that are water cooler shows. You know, they have, you know, the crown, all that stuff. Their movies are usually it's not what they produce. It's what they acquire. we've brought it up once or twice as sort of the gold standard of like Train Dreams for example I love Train Dreams from last year they did not produce Train Dreams they bought it and then they pumped it out at the end of the year for awards consideration where it did in fact get nominated for an Academy Award then they do have a handful of their premiums like Frankenstein for example which also got nominated that they produced and that's a great movie but there are other movies the apexes of the world which we've been talking about no they're not that memorable but it's their shows and their original programming their reality shows uh uh their baking shows their competition shows um love on the spectrum i don't watch but a lot of people do that kind of stuff that's their that's their big water cooler stuff i don't know what is their big series right now what is their the crown that's happening

37:03Jordan Hoffman:right now that's a that's a good question at this very moment i'm not sure there is at this very second like a huge buzzy netflix show might have been lord of the flies at that level or not really

37:14Matt Singer:Not really. Not really, no.

37:15Jordan Hoffman:I mean, they did have their, I know this, the animated Stranger Things came out a few weeks ago. Sure, Stranger Things.

37:20Matt Singer:And that got a lot of, you know, anything Stranger Things continues to perform well. I never watched the final season of Squid Games. I said to myself, I've seen enough people get shot. I just can't do it. I can't. Squid Games is disgusting. Did you watch Squid Games?

37:34Jordan Hoffman:I didn't finish it either. It's too much.

37:37Matt Singer:I can't take it anymore. It's too much.

37:38Jordan Hoffman:It's too much. Reed, we're on the line here for Rochelle. Rochelle, can you do something about the Squid Games? What's with all the squids? What's with all the violence? Do we need it?

37:47Matt Singer:What if there were more squids? There was so much shooting and killing. I just said, I have - With the killing. I said, life is hard enough. I don't care anymore. Let them do their business.

37:55Jordan Hoffman:I think you're - What I find so interesting about Netflix's originals is the range, you know, that there can be - And I'm going to speak mostly about movies because I do watch some Netflix TV shows, but certainly I'm no expert on them. I'm watching movies most of the time. And in terms of movies, they have had some wonderful originals or, as you said, things they acquired that become Netflix originals. You know, you mentioned Train Dreams was a lovely movie. You know, when I look at this list of things, I go back through my top 10 lists of the last few years and I see which ones are Netflix movies.

38:31Jordan Hoffman:There's movies like The Power of the Dog, The Mitchells vs. the Machines, May, December, His Three Daughters, The Irishman, The Five Bloods.

38:40Matt Singer:Yeah.

38:41Jordan Hoffman:It's a lot. Those are good movies. Those are those are very story.

38:45Matt Singer:Marriage story.

38:45Jordan Hoffman:Marriage story is another one. Yeah, that's there. These are respectable movies. They're made by good filmmakers. And I think that's really the key. It's like when because from at least anecdotally, what we hear is that Netflix, they don't tend to give a lot of notes. We've talked about Matt Damon saying they want a big action scene in the beginning and people explaining things. But that they're largely kind of like, especially with filmmakers, they kind of let them do what they want. Guillermo del Toro gets to make the Frankenstein movie he wants. And he's always dreamed of.

39:21Matt Singer:Sometimes this kicks them in the ass. Absolutely. What was it? Bardo, right? Oh, Bardo. Unwatchable. Because they didn't, what's that director's name? I forget his name. Wasn't that Alejandro Gonzalez in Yara 2? Yes. They're like, you're a genius. We love you. Do your thing, babe. And they should have given him notes. The movie was terrible. And there are other examples like that where they let, you know, who else? After Marriage Story, they let Boundback do White Noise, the book, which had never been adapted after being in development for 35 years. And guess what? It was bad. Right.

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41:47Matt Singer:Apple Vacations, where your story starts. Jay Kelly was okay. Okay. Oh, my God. Wait, this just in. A dissenting voice from Sam. White Noise is a great movie. There's the one. We found the one White Noise fan.

42:02Jordan Hoffman:I think we might have to relitigate that on a future episode. They're calling it the airborne toxic event. Man won't come this way. Will we have to leave our home? Of course not. How do you know?

42:11Matt Singer:I just know.

42:12Jordan Hoffman:Okay. What if it's dangerous? Evacuate all places of residence.

42:21Jordan Hoffman:My point being, look, okay, but when you give a great filmmaker the freedom to make a bad movie, that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world either. I can appreciate that. It's commendable. Where this also backfires is that they just make a lot of dreck where they just like, we have a couple of stars and we have a premise that our algorithm tells us people will like. Fabulous. That's all we need. I don't care. Just put it up. Put the slop up. Give them the slop. They don't care.

42:46Matt Singer:There's 10 apexes for one white noise.

42:48Jordan Hoffman:Oh, and things like Red Notice and Lift and Heart of Stone and Rebel Moon and Your Place or Mine and Marmaduke. Have you seen the Marmaduke animated Marmaduke movie? I didn't even know.

42:59Matt Singer:I didn't even know. I love Marmaduke.

43:00Jordan Hoffman:If you ever really anger me, I will force you to watch it. And that's when you'll know that our friendship has been irrevocably destroyed because it is one of the worst things I've ever encountered in my existence. Rebel Moon.

43:12Matt Singer:oh god Rebel Moon is terrible Rebel Moon there's a lot of that two parts

43:16Jordan Hoffman:and then there's director's cuts that are even longer too yeah

43:20Matt Singer:Triple Frontier was a good one you ever see Triple Frontier

43:22Jordan Hoffman:Triple Frontier is a good movie yeah so I mean but that's the thing it's like it is a real crapshoot so it's kind of hard to give a score here but I think we should at least try what would you give a score for the quality of the original content the original content on Netflix

43:38Matt Singer:because we're taking it in totality here

43:40Jordan Hoffman:you gotta do it in totality it's a 6.5 oh a 0.5 okay i wrote down in my notes i had a six so we're on the same page i have a six

43:50Matt Singer:all right there's a lot of stuff on there there's a lot of stuff um very quickly here at the end the

43:54Jordan Hoffman:last category the price i'm just gonna run this down for people i looked i looked this up right on their website uh netflix standard with ads currently as we record this in may of 2026 $8.99 a month. That gives you 1080p HD. You can have two devices simultaneously, and you can have two download devices. The standard plan without ads,$19.99 a month. That's a little high. Still 1080p, full HD. Same thing with the devices. Two watching simultaneously, two download devices simultaneously. Then the best of the best is the premium that is$26.99 a month that gets 4K Ultra HD streaming with HDR resolution, whatever that is.

44:44Jordan Hoffman:I admit I'm not an expert.

44:46Matt Singer:Charlize Theron comes out of your screen during Apex to say, help.

44:50Jordan Hoffman:Spatial audio, again, whatever that is, I don't understand technology. You get four devices simultaneously and six, six download devices. Who even has six devices to download on? I don't know.

45:03Matt Singer:It's for the family, the daughters in college, the whole bit. There you go. Too much. That's too much money. Too much money. It's a little high. It's$20. I will confess, and I don't know if you do this, Matt. Do you get your Netflix for free?

45:14Jordan Hoffman:No, I have paid for mine since time immemorial.

45:18Matt Singer:Sam, do you pay for your Netflix? You can answer in the chat. I'll give you the guy's name.

45:22Jordan Hoffman:I don't think Sam has Netflix. I think you just outed him.

45:26Matt Singer:You should not be paying. I mean, it's a tax write-off, and maybe your company pays you back. I don't know.

45:31Jordan Hoffman:I can write it off on my taxes. Yeah, well, you shouldn't be paying. But I do pay for it every month.

45:35Matt Singer:Okay. I don't pay. There are other ones I do pay for, and there are other streaming services that I don't get the freebie, but the publicist one time said to me, why are you paying for our programming here? And he gave me the video. Wow. Look at you. Look at you. I'm going to say, though.

45:49Jordan Hoffman:You talked to Reed in the line, and he was like, let me tell you something, Jordan.

45:52Matt Singer:I'm going to. It's a little high. $20 for that middle one is a little high. I agree. I mean, you do get a lot. You get a lot of these premium shows. I would say it should be$17.99, not$19.99. So I'm going to give it, for its price, I'm going to give it a six.

46:05Jordan Hoffman:A six. I'm going to say a five. I agree. I think it's a little much. And again, when these things first started happening, the streaming revolution, the idea was, well, cable is so expensive. And now these services are so segmented. One, even a big one like Netflix is not going to provide everything you probably want to watch.

46:25Matt Singer:If you've got kids, you need Disney+. Absolutely.

46:27Jordan Hoffman:And these things, if they're all going to be 20 bucks, pretty soon you're way over what you were paying for your cable previously. So I'm going to say, what did I say, five for the score? Yeah. Okay. So I said five.

46:38Matt Singer:And they've also put a clamp down on password sharing. Why would you know that?

46:42Jordan Hoffman:It's not like you would ever take someone's password that didn't belong to you.

46:47Matt Singer:That's another episode about password sharing.

46:50Jordan Hoffman:Okay. We've got to add up these scores to get our final tallies. Do you have them, Sam? Is it possible to put those in the chat?

46:56Matt Singer:What Sam also mentioned in the chat is like when we eventually do Amazon Prime and we talk about the price, you have to take into consideration that Amazon Prime is secondary to the fact that every time you order toilet paper, there's no shipping costs. I mean, Prime is an add-on for your toilet paper.

47:15Jordan Hoffman:I mean, in the same way that Netflix Instant, as they used to call it, literally was an add-on, a freebie, a toss-in for the discs. For Quicksters. Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. We're going to take a little break. Let's take a little break.

47:29Matt Singer:He's getting the abacus out. He's going to add it all up.

47:31Jordan Hoffman:Yes.

47:32Matt Singer:And then we're going to come back, and then we'll talk about our rexeg, because my rexeg comes directly from the inability to find something on Netflix.

47:39Jordan Hoffman:All right. So let's take a little pause. We're going to use our abacuses, abakai? I don't know. I'm really bad at math. We're going to add up these numbers, and we're going to find out our final score and get to our rexeg.

47:51Matt Singer:Are you the finger man? I'm the finger man, too. You know what I can do?

47:56Jordan Hoffman:I know how to multiply by nine. Nine times three. One, two, three. What do you got? 27. All right. So here is the state of streaming for Netflix. In terms of these numbers, we gave our scores. This is out of a possible 50. Jordan gave Netflix 33 points. And I gave Netflix 29 points. Damn. So we were saying, you know, when we stopped down there for a second, you know, Netflix sort of, they're the guinea pigs here. And it's possible that over time we may go, well, that score doesn't really reflect how we really feel in comparison to other things. But we can talk about Netflix again in a year, in two years, in whatever.

48:43Jordan Hoffman:We can revisit this if things change, if they add a better search engine, if they increase their library. Who knows? It might be worth revisiting.

48:54Matt Singer:They're live events. They got the Oscars. No, YouTube has the Oscars. YouTube is going to host the Oscars. But they've got more baseball this year. They do.

49:01Jordan Hoffman:They had opening day, and I think they have the All-Star game this year.

49:04Matt Singer:They're probably eventually going to have playoffs on Netflix, I would imagine.

49:11Jordan Hoffman:Football? I mean, they're definitely moving more. The Cincinnati Reds. That is the name of a baseball team. They should only show the Reds.

49:19Matt Singer:They should only show the Reds.

49:20Jordan Hoffman:Well, they would be big in Cincinnati if they did, I guess. All right. Well, let's move on now to Rex Egg. Rex Egg. Rex Egg. I can hear the audience chanting along and excitement at home. Can you hear them? Rex Egg. I can hear them. I can hear them. All right. Right. So we are we are going to do because we talk instead of doing normally our first recommendation on this segment is connected to whatever movie we reviewed. We didn't review a movie this week. We reviewed Netflix. So we thought let's do a recommendation of something on Netflix. Jordan, you said you have something that comes directly, directly out of this conversation.

50:02Jordan Hoffman:I got to know what it is. What is it?

50:03Matt Singer:Well, for sure, because there was a show series, limited series that came out in 2020 at like peak of the COVID pandemic. And so nobody watched it and nobody remembers it. But I really like it. And it is a direct to Netflix. It only lives on Netflix. So I said, let me try to find it using the search because I haven't watched it since 2020. So here's what's funny is that it was written, co-written or written by Jack Thorne, who is now Netflix's guy. He did Lord of the Flies and he did Adolescence and he's a big deal. The Enola Holmes movies. He's Mr. Netflix.

50:42Jordan Hoffman:He's all up in Netflix.

50:43Matt Singer:He's the Netflix in-house scribe. And one of the producers and the director of some of the episodes is Damien Chazelle, pretty important director. You know, Whiplash, La La Land. Babylon. Babylon. First man. Did he win the Oscar for Best Director? I think he did. We'll have to fact check that.

51:03Jordan Hoffman:I think he won the Oscar for La La Land Best Director. He famously did not win Best Picture because there was a little bit of a snafu.

51:09Matt Singer:That's what it was. So he's a big director. But yet this show, and it stars Andre Holland, pretty big actor. Amandla Steinberg is in it, if that's her last name. Some other good people are in it. And the show is called, I'm beating around the bush, the show is called The Eddie, E-D-D-Y. and it's about a jazz club in Paris. And it's a great show. That's right. It's kind of like the bear for a jazz club. He's trying to bring a jazz club back to life and he's got problems and it all leads to a head. But you get to know every musician. You get to know there's the guy who plays bass and he doesn't talk much for the first three episodes.

51:46Matt Singer:Then episode four is a flashback. You learn all about the bass player and he's fascinating. There's the singer. It's set in Paris, but it's very multicultural. There's Americans, there's Tunisians. There's all kinds of people in there. It's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful show. Can't find it. So I'm in the search section. I click on musicals and music and musicals. I'm like, it's got to be there because there is a lot of music in it. I went to the entire thing and I could not find it there anywhere. And I found some other things. And I'm like, oh, you know, Netflix has a deep bench for musicals.

52:19Matt Singer:I'll give them credit. They got documentaries up the yin yang about Led Zeppelin and they got Springsteen on Broadway. They have concert films. They have this Indian film called The Disciple about an Indian singer that I absolutely love. The movie is phenomenal. But then there were other things in there. The Five Bloods was in their musicals category. How did that get in there? I don't know. So then you scroll all the way down to the end. And this is, again, why they got a two for search. I'm like, oh, I'm at the end. And I'll just go and I'll type in Eddie. You can't type. You have to scroll all the way back up.

52:53Matt Singer:It'd take five minutes to scroll all the way back up. It was ridiculous. I had to type in the word E-D-D-Y to find this show that Netflix either produced or acquired. It never lived anywhere else. It's their own damn show. And unless you know about it, you're never going to find it. But you, the listeners of FilmSpottingSVU, now know if you want to see Andre Holland as a jazz promoter in Paris, dealing with the mob and dealing with all kinds of stuff. It's so good. And there's a lot of great music in it too. And Damien Chazelle was the director of the first two episodes. And Alan Poul, P-O-U-L, was another director, a woman named the name of Layla Marakshi.

53:33Matt Singer:And she's done some features too. She's a French Moroccan director. Anyway, those are the directors. Good show.

53:40Jordan Hoffman:How much do we vote?

53:42Matt Singer:Triple. Your club has debts.

53:47Jordan Hoffman:Your club has big problems. On a mis tout ce qu 'on a, tout, tout, tout ce qu 'on a dedans. On a mis tout ce qu 'on a dedans. On a mis tout ce qu 'on a dedans. Yes, Damien Chazelle did win the Best Director Oscar for La La Land. So you were correct about that.

54:01Matt Singer:Once in a while, I'm correct.

54:03Jordan Hoffman:This is something, very briefly, we did not mention during our discussion of the, you know, the overall Netflix experience. But it's probably worth mentioning just that they have so much stuff and original content, which is not necessarily a bad thing. It's great that they give you options, but that things can just vanish into the black hole of Netflix. And as you were saying, they can be hard to find. People forget they exist here. This show still exists. Here is the, you know, this acclaimed director working with the writer of their biggest show of the last couple of years. and I bet if we asked a hundred people on the street, you know, what is the Eddie?

54:43Matt Singer:No, yeah.

54:44Jordan Hoffman:And they would be like, I don't know, Eddie, the guy named Eddie, the Whoopi Goldberg movie, Eddie, what's Eddie? I don't know. Who is Eddie? What is Eddie? They would have no idea. And it's not necessarily an indictment of the show or of any show if we asked at random, a random title on Netflix, but it would probably speak to the fact that they just, they have so many things and it just gets, things get so quickly and so easily buried. on there.

55:08Matt Singer:Yeah.

55:08Jordan Hoffman:That, you know, it's almost like someone should do a podcast about these services and what's there so that people know what to watch. Somebody should do that one of these days.

55:18Matt Singer:Yeah. And by the way, someone else involved in this show is Glenn Ballard. He was a producer and he co-wrote a lot of the music. He's like a huge music producer. I mean, gigantic. You know, The Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette's album that sold 10 zillion albums. Right.

55:36Jordan Hoffman:Isn't it ironic that he worked on this and yet nobody even remembers that it exists?

55:42Matt Singer:He's won 15 Grammys and he made a show for Netflix with Chazelle and Andre Holland and Thorne and you can't find it.

55:50Jordan Hoffman:This is a perfect thing to recommend on this show. Thank you, Jordan. All right. Now, I want to point out another issue that I had with Netflix here because I thought, well, I want to recommend something I've actually watched on there relatively recently. And it made me realize Netflix doesn't have like a page that I know of where you can just go like through your like viewing history and see what you've recently watched. I had to go to my Letterboxd account and I keep because I'm a pathetic dork, I keep track of everything I watch. And so I was able there to look at everything I've seen. And then you can on your Netflix diary, there is a way you can search by service.

56:27Jordan Hoffman:So you can click just the things on Netflix and it'll show you all the things you've watched that are on Netflix, which is a great and useful tool for a pathetic dork, which I would love if Netflix offered this to its users, but it does not. Anyway, once I did that and looked through the last few months of things that I have watched, I decided that I should I wanted to recommend something from arguably you are you will argue and disagree, Jordan, arguably the most consequential film artist to sign on to work with Netflix. Again, I say consequential, not necessarily greatest. Their artwork might not have changed lives or, you know, with heart rending beauty, but simply because this person, whether they're a visionary or a calculating mercenary or probably both, signed on with Netflix to make original movies back when Netflix.

57:30Jordan Hoffman:I looked this up. Their first movie with Netflix came out in the fall of 2015 when they signed the deal and announced the deal with Netflix. It was the fall of 2014. They did not have, Netflix did not have an original movie to their name when they signed this deal. Do you know who I'm talking about?

57:48Matt Singer:Well, originally I thought you were talking about David Fincher, but now I'm not sure. No, no. Any other guesses?

57:54Jordan Hoffman:This is a film artist, but he is a actor. This is not necessarily, and a writer, but not a director. director. Let me give you a little... I think Sam is writing in the chat. It looks like he thinks he knows. Yes, he's giving you the answer. It's the Sandman. It is the Sandman. It is Adam Sandler.

58:13Matt Singer:By the way, when you were talking about big names, we forget. Wes Anderson has all these short films floating around and no one's watched.

58:23Jordan Hoffman:Unlike Wes Anderson's short films, our conversation was long. I did have him listed as amongst the notable things.

58:30Matt Singer:Yeah, he's got these short films that are very good. It's just ridiculous. They didn't even bundle them. That's ridiculous. I think after the fact they did.

58:37Jordan Hoffman:They are now bundled. They were originally released individually. They are now listed collectively as like - They got my note.

58:43Matt Singer:They got my note.

58:43Jordan Hoffman:When you talk to Reed Hastings in line at the Eccles to see Rochelle Rochelle, and you yelled at him about, why can't I just have all the Wes Anderson shorts in one thing? He listened. He took your note. So which Sandman movie? Well, that's the thing I wanted to talk about, is that when he started there, let's be honest, let's be blunt. His first couple of movies for Netflix were amongst the worst comedies made in this century. Things like The Ridiculous Six and The Do-Over. These were wretched.

59:15Matt Singer:But over the last few years,

59:18Jordan Hoffman:the Adam Sandler presence on Netflix has really improved.

59:24Matt Singer:Sandy Wexler was the turning point.

59:26Jordan Hoffman:Is that the one you're going to pinpoint? I think so. I like that one. I think his track record in the 2020s, and mostly on Netflix, is surprisingly solid. Not a lot of home runs, but a lot of doubles. Maybe even a triple or two. Wow. He's also worked with, we mentioned Noah Baumbach. We mentioned Jay Kelly. I thought he was maybe the best part of Jay Kelly.

59:46Matt Singer:He's great in other people's, in non-Sandler movies.

59:49Jordan Hoffman:And in The Meyerowitz Stories, which is also a Baumbach Netflix movie. A wonderful movie that's also like The Eddie has been lost to time because it only lives in the sub-basement of Netflix's catalog. But even his kind of old school comedies in the last few years have gotten better. I've laughed at some of his movies. I liked Leo, his animated movie where he voiced a talking and singing class pet. Very charming. I liked You Are So Not Invited to my Bat Mitzvah.

1:00:20Matt Singer:That's a good one.

1:00:21Jordan Hoffman:Another amusing, likable comedy. His daughters play his daughters in the movie. It's about the perils of like middle school friendships. Very likable. The one that I want to single out and recommend because I have a lot of affection for, mostly because it really feels like he plucked a Happy Madison movie out of the 90s and somehow like transported it. I'm going to guess. Go ahead. Give it to me.

1:00:43Matt Singer:Hubie Halloween.

1:00:44Jordan Hoffman:You got it on the butt, my friend. Hubie Halloween.

1:00:47Matt Singer:It's the best one.

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1:02:48Matt Singer:He loves Halloween.

1:02:54Jordan Hoffman:He anoints himself the Halloween monitor. And he must solve a mystery on one particularly eventful version, one edition of Halloween, of the holiday, I guess you could say. Salem needs me. What are you going to do, Mr. Dubois?

1:03:09Matt Singer:We're going to do every October 31st. Make sure every citizen is protected.

1:03:14Jordan Hoffman:No one in Salem is safe tonight. So did you lose your thermos?

1:03:19Matt Singer:That'll never happen.

1:03:24Jordan Hoffman:Look, is Hubie Halloween Preston surges? It's not even the wedding singer, but it's very sweet. Has some very funny running gags. The mystery plot has a couple of surprising twists.

1:03:39Matt Singer:It's got June Squibb in T-shirts with Randy language on them.

1:03:44Jordan Hoffman:It certainly does. And the cast is just unbelievable in this movie. He brought back a lot of his kind of old favorites, I think in part to kind of recreate that Happy Madison 90s vibe. You got Julie Bowen, Steve Buscemi, Tim Meadows, Colin Quinn, Ben Stiller reprising his role from Happy Gilmore. He plays like the mean orderly Hal again.

1:04:06Matt Singer:Everybody wants to work with the Sandman. Everybody loves him. He's the most beloved man in Hollywood. You know, it's true. You've read articles about this, about how he's so loyal to his friends and how his friends will do anything for him. So it's great.

1:04:19Jordan Hoffman:And look, if Hocus Pocus can become like a Halloween ritual for teenagers to watch every year, I see no reason why Hubie Halloween should not be. I think I'm going to show my kids Hubie Halloween on Halloween this year. Maybe not. I don't know how appropriate it would be.

1:04:38Matt Singer:You got to check it. I got to look at June Squibb's T-shirts. I was going to say June Squibb's got some pretty rungy T-shirts.

1:04:43Jordan Hoffman:I'm going to have to preview it and we'll see if they can watch it. But eventually, when they're 30 or 35 years old, I will allow them to watch it. And I think they will like it. And so, look, Adam Sandler is now so enmeshed in the Netflix machine. He's been working there for over a decade now. Yeah. And again, they're not all great. Do not watch The Ridiculous Six. No. I beg of you, don't. Just stay away.

1:05:09Matt Singer:Murder Mystery has come up on this program before, and Murder Mystery 2. There was two Murder Mysteries. Pretty watchable.

1:05:15Jordan Hoffman:Yes, it was fine.

1:05:17Matt Singer:It was fine. I mean, the Eddie is a different beast, but the Eddie and Hubie Halloween go well together.

1:05:23Jordan Hoffman:That would be a wonderful double feature. Really, I can't think of anything better. But yeah, so there you go. That's my recommendation, Hubie Halloween on Netflix.

1:05:31Matt Singer:Let's jump ahead to our next Rex Egg, because we are running out of time. Yes. The next Rex Egg, you want me to read the email?

1:05:40Jordan Hoffman:Why don't you read it? Yeah, we got this. This is our personalized recommendation. We got a listener writing in. Why don't you read what he sent us?

1:05:46Matt Singer:He wrote, Dear SVU Forum, I never thought it would happen to me. No, he wrote, Hi, Matt and Jordan. Was just listening to your latest episode, and I love your offer to receive film recommendations. I just got MUBI, M-U-B-I, the first month free trial, and I've already seen The Mastermind, and Ephus. I like those movies. And I'm excited for Jim Jarmusch's new one, which is called Father, Mother, Brother, Daughter or something like that. And Grand Theft Hamlet, blah, blah, blah. Basically, he's like, what do you recommend for me to watch on Mubi is what he said. So, Matt, what was your Mubi recommendation for our reader whose name?

1:06:25Matt Singer:Michael. Michael. Mubi Michael. What do you recommend for Mubi Michael?

1:06:30Jordan Hoffman:Thank you, Michael, for the email. And what I did was he sent us with his email, he sent a screen grab of his watch list on Mubi. And he mentioned things that he had watched yet already, but things I assume that the things that were on there that he didn't mention, he hasn't seen. So I picked out the one that caught my eye that I liked, that I wanted a stump for. So this is something he was at least interested in. And I wanted to say, go for it, watch it. And that film is The History of Sound from 2025, directed by Oliver Hermanis. Michael mentioned in his email part of the blah, blah, blah part that you just blah, blah, blah over that he's part of a little film discussion group and they're doing the mastermind.

1:07:11Jordan Hoffman:And that sounds lovely. I actually in my spare time, one of the things that I do is I am like the moderator, facilitator, discussion leader for a private film club. It's like a book club for movies where this group of friends, once a month, they get together and I help them pick out a movie and I give them some background on the movie and the director and then we all discuss it. It's a lot of fun. It's amazing. And they pay you.

1:07:35Matt Singer:They pay you to talk to them. They do pay me to.

1:07:36Jordan Hoffman:Yes, these people pay me to talk to them.

1:07:39Matt Singer:I've heard that they're willing to pay double for you to not show up. Thank you. A little joke. Okay.

1:07:45Jordan Hoffman:Back in 2025, we did, as one of our movies, The History of Sound, and we had a really nice conversation about it. and it stars if you like the mastermind it's got the masterminds josh o 'connor in one of the two key roles and the other role is filled by paul meskel who i'm always pronouncing his last name

1:08:02Matt Singer:wrong but jordan corrects me did i get it right that time it's meskel yeah good they play a pair

1:08:07Jordan Hoffman:of students who meet in the 19 teens at a music conservatory and they quickly fall in love but then they are separated by world war one and then the film kind of follows them as they reconnect and they separate again over the years. And eventually Paul Meskel's character is invited. He returns home to Kentucky, very rural Kentucky, after school. And he's invited via a letter by Josh O 'Connor's character to join him on this tour of Maine to kind of document folk songs using early sound recording equipment like those phonograph cylinders. And the film follows their trip. It follows what happens afterwards.

1:08:52Matt Singer:Don't sing love songs. You'll wake my mother. She's sleeping here right by my side. If I have what you had, I'd leave. I'd go far away, flee. In her right hand.

1:09:10Jordan Hoffman:And I thought this was a lovely, lovely movie. It is about music. It is about memories. It is about, you know, preservation because these guys are recording this music. But it's also about kind of preserving lives, preserving these relationships that are kind of at the time were very secret and couldn't be known about. And I found it very moving and very effective. And I don't want to spoil what happens. If Michael hasn't seen it yet, I want him to just watch it. But I think if you like Josh O 'Connor, if you like the mastermind, I think you will enjoy this movie. So that's my recommendation for him and for anyone else listening.

1:09:51Jordan Hoffman:The History of Sound on MUBI.

1:09:54Matt Singer:That's a good rec seg for MUBI. MUBI, MUBI, MUBI. The one that I picked, and it's funny because yours is music related and I talked about the Eddie, which is music related. And this is straight up a music documentary. it's called crossing the bridge colon the sound of istanbul and it came out in 2005 the director is a fairly well known he's a german director of turkish origin named fati akhin i could be pronouncing it fati akin akin i don't know how it's pronounced but um his most famous films are he made head on which came out in 2004 he did the edge of heaven he did the cut which is also about war and the Armenian genocide.

1:10:41Matt Singer:And In the Fade, it came out not long ago. That was a little bit more successful. And Soul Kitchen. He made Soul Kitchen do that. But forget his other credits. What about this? Crossing the Bridge, the Sound of Istanbul. The basic premise is this. Istanbul, as I'm sure everyone listening knows, is the great city that bisects east and west. You know, it's always been that in history. It's a midpoint. It's a cultural melting pot. And that is felt nowhere more than in the music.

1:11:12Jordan Hoffman:There's an emotional level, I think, in the Turkish stuff more often than there is in the English stuff.

1:11:24Matt Singer:It's a little bit like Buena Vista Social Club a little bit and how there's kind of like that. they go to explore, you know, what is Cuban music? And in this, it's like, what is Istanbul's music? And the kind of the lead is the German guy from the band, and I can't pronounce it correctly, Eisersteinde Neubauten. Nailed it. They're a German rock band that are around since the 80s. And the guy, he traveled to Istanbul and fell in love with the city. So it's about him exploring and it's just him meeting musicians. And some of them are, you know, just rock bands that sound like a typical rock band you'd hear in the USA or Britain.

1:12:03Matt Singer:And some of them are very traditional Turkish musicians that are using, you know, ouds and hammered dulcimers. And then there's the blend. And then there's Turkish hip hop artists, which at the time was very new in 2005. And some of them are very impressive. You know, they do that Eminem thing where they talk as fast as possible. It's pretty cool. And then they talk about the difference between Turkish hip-hop and American hip-hop. And there's some disc bombs that are thrown at America from the Turks. Some of the young Turkish hip-hoppers think that the American hip-hoppers are too into the bling, man.

1:12:37Matt Singer:And they're forgetting the soul of the essence of the blah, blah, blah. And then there's a lot of cultural stuff because there are minorities in Turkey, of course, that have been persecuted over the years. So they investigate that. They go into the Roma population of a suburb. It's like west, yes, west of Istanbul, like right on the border of Greece. And they have a huge Roma population. They go to a bar and they just hang out with these Roma musicians. And they just getting hammered and just playing. And it really becomes like a jam band show. They're just rocking out, these guys. They're incredible.

1:13:12Matt Singer:And then there's a lot of stuff about Kurdish musicians. And this is fascinating. And until the year 1990, it was illegal to sing in Kurdish in Turkey. Wow. Turkey is a country that has some political difficulty. I don't want to get too controversial, but I'll say that they need some reform in some aspects of their culture. And it is getting better over there. But, you know, you could go to jail for singing in Kurdish. Not anymore. So they have some Kurdish musicians that are like sort of bringing back the Kurdish tradition. And you can hear, you know, traditional Turkish versus Kurdish. and then they have some old timers that if I knew more about Turkish music I would say oh my god that's the Paul Simon of Turkey you know some old some older guy the Tom Jones of Turkey and they get him and you know he's old now but they show old footage of him from 1972 and he's and now they had him now so it's great I mean I didn't know any of the specific musicians going into it I do know one or two Turkish bands that are popular now Alton Gunn is a really good one but this is before that this is 20 years old this is in 2005 so um and it's shot on 2005 video probably mini dv at the time so it kind of looks a little shoddy but it's great a great time capsule and a fabulous movie and if you don't like one musician just wait because then they're going they're going to the next bar five minutes later to meet somebody else so you can't get bored okay

1:14:33Jordan Hoffman:so to recap this week's rex egg we've got the eddie and hubie halloween on netflix and then we have The History of Sound, and Crossing the Bridge, The Sound of Istanbul on Mubi. And if you would like a personalized streaming recommendation from Jordan or myself, maybe both of us, send us an email feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. Tell us what streaming services you use, the kinds of movies you like, and we will provide you with your own personalized streaming recommendation. Also, if you want to see all of the movies and TV shows we have been recommending and reviewing here on FilmSpotting SVU, we wanted to give a quick shout out to a Letterboxd list that the great Sam Van Halgren created, which you can find on Letterboxd.

1:15:23Jordan Hoffman:It's called Now Streaming on Bazooka, everyone's favorite streaming service. And it is a running list. It contains every single title we have discussed on the show and we're weekly updating it. And actually, if you go to like the click notes where you can see the descriptions, I notice Sam is even like going above and beyond and including little kind of summaries of what we say about them. Yeah, he's taking notes. You almost don't need to listen to the show. I almost think he wants people not to listen. is that what's happening Sam? Is that what you're trying to do? You're trying to muscle us out?

1:15:57Jordan Hoffman:Well it's not going to work Sam! Anyway, if you want to check out the list it's a great, I've been looking at it I just think it's wonderful because we're going to have this running kind of this library of movies if only they really were streaming on Bazooka and we could watch them all there, it would be pretty great.

1:16:13Matt Singer:It's a fun list because it's like a lot of weirdo stuff because it's not like, you know, we haven't mentioned Citizen Kane or anything like that Now we've got to put it on there.

1:16:22Jordan Hoffman:Thanks a lot, Jordan.

1:16:23Matt Singer:Whoops, sorry.

1:16:25Jordan Hoffman:Shall we play a game? For our weekly game segment on SVU, we're welcoming back Sam Van Halgren, producer of the show. He is also hosting this week's game. He asked me if I wanted to do it, and I said, it's fine.

1:16:43Matt Singer:I can lose to Jordan again. Well, who knows? You are the game master. I beat you pretty firmly last week, but who knows? This is a new game, so we don't know. That's true.

1:16:53Jordan Hoffman:So we've got a hard out this time. That's right. And the outro of the show always takes 20 minutes, which is less time than we have. We're going to do it quick. So I'm going to do this as like a five-minute lightning round. So much, I came up with like eight questions. You guys literally covered half of them. I mean, by title specifically. Oh, that's so funny. In your earlier segment. So this will be sort of like a quick open book test for anybody that's listening. So I'm going to just look at the timer. I'm going to give five minutes. Whoever has the most points at the end of five minutes, I'm going to declare the winner.

1:17:26Jordan Hoffman:So I'm going to get the first question right, and then I'm going to filibuster for four minutes and 50 seconds. Okay, so I'm looking at a 1.12.36 recording at 1.17.30. We're going to stop. We'll see where we're at. Okay. Okay. Number one, sorted by genre, Netflix has 15 films labeled as Westerns. 15. The oldest from 1966, The Professionals with Byrne Leicester and Lee Marvin. The rest are from 2010 or later, a.k.a. the golden age of westerns. Among them is this film, a Netflix original, which won its director the Best Director Oscar in 2022. Matt. Is it the power of the dog? That's right. Jane Campion,

1:18:10Matt Singer:Best Director winner. I don't even consider that a western. I consider that a drama.

1:18:15Jordan Hoffman:This is my point. This is kind of my point.

1:18:17Matt Singer:It's a drama that involves a horse. So I guess that's the Western, yeah.

1:18:21Jordan Hoffman:Lightning round, lightning round. Sorry, sorry. No, let's ruminate. Let's just think about this for a minute. Let's debate whether it is Western. All right, all right. That's the next question. According to a cursory Google search, Netflix subscribers ranked by country US 81 million, UK 18 million, and then these three countries, Brazil, Mexico, France, Brazil 16 million, Mexico, 14. France, 13.5. So this is a chance to claim three points here. I'm going to play a little bit of Keychain a little bit. I'm going to use keywords to talk about the most popular film on Netflix from these countries.

1:19:01Jordan Hoffman:This is right now or all time? Right now. All time, most popular, but currently playing on Netflix. Again, this is a letterboxing. So all of my information is like derived from Letterboxd on Netflix. Okay. So we'll start with Brazil. These are the, we're going to start keywords. You jump in whenever you want. This is the most popular. Can I just guess? Is it balls up? I was thinking of that. Sorry. Keychain. Dictatorship. 1971. Based on a true story. Oh. Widow. It's a 2024 movie and an international feature winner for best Oscar. Oh, man. Oscar, best international feature winner.

1:19:49Matt Singer:I don't know. I didn't see it.

1:19:51Jordan Hoffman:Directed by Walter Salas. Oh, yeah, that one. Oh, oh, oh. I saw it.

1:19:54Matt Singer:It was good.

1:19:55Jordan Hoffman:Who's got it? What's it called? Who's got it?

1:19:57Matt Singer:They're on the beach and then he's in jail.

1:20:00Jordan Hoffman:Is it like, I'm still here? Yeah. It's I'm still here. Matt, you're up 2-0. We should have gotten that way sooner. That was a good movie. movie but i forgot the name that's totally blanked on the name yeah mexico keychain male friendship

1:20:16Matt Singer:on the road beach threesome oh oh yeah eat you mama tambien eat you mama tambien from 2001 from

1:20:27Jordan Hoffman:alfonso cuarro see we're going to france here maybe should i start by telling you the year of film? You're doing well. You're doing good. Whatever you want to do. Most popular film from France. Right, but it doesn't have to be an original, which I didn't realize. No, I'm sorry. It's not an original. None of them have been so far. Right. That's right. Keyword. Writer. Chalet. Snow. Dog. Or dog. I should do the New Jersey pronunciation. Dog. Dog. This is a 2023 film. Also an Oscar winner for Best Original Screen

1:21:03Matt Singer:Oh, oh, oh. Anatomy of a Fall.

1:21:07Jordan Hoffman:Anatomy of a Fall. Almost a tie there. Hard to call. So let's see. I think we're at... I think we're at... I think it's two to two. Yes, it's tied. Two to two. All right, and we've got one minute left. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Okay. Okay, so again, this is... I'm just going to go with this, even though you guys maybe referenced some of these titles on the show earlier. Sorting by oldest to newest. There is nothing older than 1962. on Netflix. You kind of got into this. One notable, I think there is exactly one notable title from the 1960s, It's Night of the Living Dead. Which is like a, which is a public domain movie.

1:21:42Jordan Hoffman:So anyone. Public domain, exactly. That's exactly right. American Graffiti, Slapshot, Animal House are on the surface from the 70s. Good films. And also a film and its two sequels which went on to inspire one of the greatest comedies of all time or at least of 1980. What are those three films that inspired 1980's funniest film and one of the funniest films of all time? What are the three films that inspired the film? That's right. Well, George Menon's Airport. That's definitely, I mean, you're talking about Airplane? You got it. That's right. So I'm looking for the three films that are available on Netflix that inspired the movie Airplane.

1:22:25Jordan Hoffman:Well, Airport, he mentioned. Airport. Is zero hour on Netflix? Can't be. I'll give you a clue. I'll give you a hint since we're running out of time. They're all called Airport. Oh, yeah. Airport 1975. Airport 77. The Concord. Yes. Concord. Airport 79. You got it. Airport 70. They're all on there. Airport 77. I think you're going to take the win with that. All right. Fair. You talked about Sandler. And of course, I was going to, I have a question that's related to Sandler. I loved finding that, so the second, the first Netflix original that ever appeared on the service, Beasts of No Nation. It was October 2015.

1:23:05Jordan Hoffman:Oh, yeah. That's right. Good movie. The second in December 2015 was. Was it The Ridiculous? Was it The Ridiculous? Was it The Ridiculous? The Ridiculous 6. Yeah, that was the first one.

1:23:33Matt Singer:The one that's really inspired.

1:23:45Jordan Hoffman:airplane is airport 1975 that's the one that they took the most from besides zero hour which is like a literal actual movie that they literally ripped off the premise and dialogue and character names like ted striker yeah maybe not the best worded uh question but anyway matt you i'm declaring you the winner i think you yeah well done i'm gonna i get to do i get i get the conch or whatever we whatever you get the conch you get the conch uh but let's let's let's do the outro of the show So let's get everyone out of here. Before we get out of here this week, let's run down some of the new notable titles on streaming.

1:24:18Jordan Hoffman:Also stuff you can rent or buy on VOD. Let's start there. I'm going to run down some titles here. We've got Lee Cronin's The Mummy, not to be confused with Jordan Hoffman's The Mummy. We've got David Lowery's Mother Mary, not to be confused with Jordan Hoffman's Mother Mary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one I'm actually quite looking forward to. These are both in theaters still.

1:24:41Matt Singer:So that's kind of good.

1:24:42Jordan Hoffman:I'm a big David Lowery fan and I missed Mother Mary. So this is one I'm looking forward to checking out. We've got Bob Odenkirk in Normal, another movie where he plays like a muscly, surprisingly resourceful action hero. This is like his new thing. He's reinventing himself as Keanu Reeves. That one is directed by Ben Wheatley, who's made some good movies. That's an interesting pairing of director and star. And finally, our favorite listeners' favorite movie, the Super Mario Galaxy movie. Mario the Plumber from Freehold, New Jersey, wherever you are, congratulations. You can finally watch the Super Mario Galaxy movie at home.

1:25:24Jordan Hoffman:All of those movies will be available to rent or buy on Tuesday, May 19th. And some theatrical releases that are coming to streaming now. We have Arco, the Best Animated Feature Oscar nominee from last year, will be available on Hulu.

1:25:42Matt Singer:Did you see Arco?

1:25:43Jordan Hoffman:Yeah, it was okay. It was my favorite. It would be a good streaming title, I think. And if you have Hulu, that also means you can watch it on Disney +, if you have both of those things. I never watch Hulu on Hulu. I only watch it on Disney+. I don't know how that works. It's very confusing. And this is a very much of interest to me streaming on Peacock, Kill Bill, The Whole Bloody Affair. This is the recut version of Kill Bill, which he, you know, Quentin Tarantino famously wanted to make one movie. And I think Harvey Weinstein, of all people, I think demanded he chop it up because it was too long.

1:26:19Jordan Hoffman:They could sell more tickets. And he basically never put it back together in a form that was widely available. until now. They did a theatrical release and now they are doing a streaming release of it on Peacock. That might be something to discuss on the show, Jordan. I don't know how you feel about that.

1:26:38Matt Singer:Yeah, there's like a, and I think there are some, even if you've seen Kill Bill Volume 1 and Volume 2 a hundred times, there are elements in the new one that you've never seen. That's right. Which, you know, he did with our friends Netflix for the Hateful Eight. There's a longer version of the Hateful Eight. Yes, he turned it into

1:26:54Jordan Hoffman:like a TV miniseries.

1:26:55Matt Singer:Yeah, yeah. And I actually did a breakdown of what's new. I forget, but there were some. Let's talk about some direct-to-streaming opportunities this week. Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Ghost War with John Krasinski is on Amazon Prime. That's coming up very soon. Over on the Netflix, The Burroughs, which is a big new show. They're pushing it pretty hard. it's an eight episode supernatural thriller about a bunch of misfit retirees who band together to battle a malevolent force so imagine stranger things at the old age home basically is the premise alfred molina is in it everybody loves him gina davis good to see her back in something alfrey woodard blow up the damn ship picard you gotta chase your whale love her jordan you would

1:27:44Jordan Hoffman:You're going to make a great, someday you're going to make a great misfit retiree who has to band together to battle a malevolent force. I think that's your calling.

1:27:52Matt Singer:A lot of other people are in it too. Bill Pullman, Clark Peters, Jenna Malone.

1:27:56Jordan Hoffman:Today we celebrate our Independence Day.

1:28:00Matt Singer:And the guys who did the 2019 Dark Crystal are involved in the Burroughs. That's going to be a big, I think it's going to be a success. Could be. This mating season, new series from the team behind Big Mouth, voiced by, among others, Nick Kroll, Zach Woods, June, Diane Raphael, and Sabrina Jalice. And then something else, which I think we're going to be talking about, a feature film called Ladies First. Sacha Baron Cohen, what's he been up to since Borat 2? I don't know. He's been making something called Ladies First, a charismatic ladies man who finds his life of money and power upended when he ends up in a parallel dimension ruled by women.

1:28:41Matt Singer:Rosamund Pike is in it and Richard E. Grant, directed by Thea Sherrock, who did Wicked Little Liars.

1:28:47Jordan Hoffman:And this is on Netflix, I believe, correct? That's on The Big Red One.

1:28:50Matt Singer:So we're going to talk about that one real soon.

1:28:52Jordan Hoffman:Is that what we're going to do maybe next week? We might review that one? I hope so.

1:28:55Matt Singer:I want to watch it. It sounds funny.

1:28:56Jordan Hoffman:All right. So maybe that's what we'll do. All right. So in the meantime, until we enter an alternate dimension where, what was it? He wakes up at a parallel dimension dominated by women. I'd also like to see you in that premise too, Jordan. I'd like to see you in a lot of the, I feel like you would be an entertaining subject of almost any movie that you just described. But anyway, it's good. Yes. You can send your feedback to the show again at feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. You can also ask us for personalized streaming recommendations there. One more time, you can send us your streaming services that you prefer.

1:29:29Jordan Hoffman:Send us the kinds of movies you want to watch. We'll give you a recommendation. If you want to follow us online, you can find me on Instagram at Letterboxd at Super Pulse. You can find Jordan on Blue Sky at Jay Hoffman 6. I'm at Matt Singer there. And we probably should be mentioning, like, we're also doing other projects. You know, I always joke about my book is coming out, Funny Business, available on October 6th, available for preorder right now. You can also find me writing every day at ScreenCrush.com. Anywhere else you want to point people to, Jordan?

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