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15:19Adam Kempenaar:They do it. They do indeed. My number four pick, probably not much in common with the Muppet band other than the colors. There are plenty of colors in this group and their costumes as well. We're going to move up from the 60s to the 70s and go across the pond. So different than my number five pick, Eddie and the Cruisers, but actually using the same conceit, the band is Brian Slade and Venus and Furs from the Todd Haynes movie, Velvet Gold Mine. And this movie too is based around a journalist writing a story about a character who's disappeared from public life, that character being Brian Slade, played by Jonathan Rhys-Myers.

15:56Adam Kempenaar:Christian Bale is the journalist in this case. And it is very clearly a fictional band, but based on real life, because there's no doubt that Brian Slade is meant to be a stand-in for David Bowie. His Maxwell Demon persona is very clearly a reference to Ziggy Stardust. The relationship he has with Iggy Pop is mirrored in the relationship he has with an American rocker in this film called Kurt Wilde, who's played by Ewan McGregor and really does nail the Iggy Pop physicality on stage. And the movie just gets this music so right. I mean, not only are they playing a lot of those songs that perfectly coincide with the time and these artists, but there are original songs produced as well.

16:39Adam Kempenaar:And it helps when the English musicians in this film who were playing this music featured in these bands are Radiohead's Tom York, Johnny Greenwood, David Gray, Roxy Music's Andy McKay. On the American side, the band Wild Rats, that's Kurt Wild's band. You've got members of the Stooges, Sonic Youth, the Minutemen, Mud Honey. So there's some real verisimilitudes certainly here in this movie with the music and how it's portrayed on screen. And I love Haynes's admiration for this music and also how it brings about this change in the Christian Bale character. As we flash back on his life, there's a great scene where he's playing the music of Brian Slade.

17:19Adam Kempenaar:He puts that album down, Maxwell Demon. You hear that song, the ballad of Maxwell Demon, and then as he has to sneak out of the house wearing the clothes that his parents want him to wear, and then he can take those off when he gets outside the door and be the character that he wants to be, be the persona he wants to be, who is someone a lot closer to Brian Slade. So I do love the music, especially in Velvet Goldmine. It's a movie I haven't seen in ages, and it's probably worth a revisit.

17:45Josh Larsen:One man, and neither does his world. I'm glad I caught you on my view screen. Sailor, you're the grand one. Both of your picks I have not seen. Really? Actually, though I feel much worse about having not seen Velvet Goldmine. Fair enough. Compared to Eddie and the Cruiser, sorry. Okay. My number three pick, I hadn't even known the name of the band until I started putting together this list. It's Sweet Sue and Her Society's Syncopators, the all-female band. Yeah, I can see the look on your face that you hadn't heard of it either. But this is the all-female band from Some Like It Hot. You got it.

18:22Josh Larsen:Now, I have to give credit for this one to Jeff Carpenter, a former English teacher of mine who suggested this on Facebook. Speaking of dead poets recently, here's another English teacher coming through. You're right. It is the Billy Wilder classic from 1959 with Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon joining in drag this band. Mostly the band is a gag, a way to get Curtis and Lemon in those dresses. They play musicians who are on the run from the mob after having witnessed the St. Valentine's Day massacre. But there's this great scene of the band rehearsing Running Wild while on the train on the way to their next gig.

18:56Adam Kempenaar:Hey, Sheboygan, you too. What was your last job, playing square dances?

19:00Josh Larsen:No, funerals.

19:02Adam Kempenaar:Well, would you mind rejoining the living? Goose it up a little. We'll try.

19:07Josh Larsen:You really get some wonderful comedy in it because Curtis and Lemon, they're trying to fit in both as women and as musicians. And it kind of goes back and forth which one they're more inept at, depending on what's happening. And of course, the scene also offers Marilyn Monroe, whose sugar cane Kowalczyk closes out the song in her ukulele.

19:31Josh Larsen:So Sweet Sue and her syncopators, my number three pick from Some Like It Hot.

19:35Adam Kempenaar:Love it. I don't know how I'm going to top that with my number three, though. This is a film certainly far more underseen than some like it hot. It's not Fade Away, and the band is The Twilight Zones. This is a movie that just came out a couple of years ago around Christmas time. David Chase from The Sopranos, this is his feature film debut as a director, and his autobiographical, another movie like it in The Cruiser, set back in the 60s and in Jersey, Josh. So I should have just tried to construct a whole top five off of 60s New Jersey music movies, But he did, back in his college years, perform a lot, was in a band, had musical aspirations, and obviously they didn't amount to much.

20:10Adam Kempenaar:And that's similar with this band. The Twilight Zones don't make it very far, though they do put up a good fight. The title, Not Fade Away, I know it as a Buddy Holly song because I'm a big Buddy Holly fan, but it was repopularized by the Rolling Stones in 1964. And the Rolling Stones' influence on this movie is huge here. It has a big influence on the main character, Doug. His dad is played by James Gandolfini. Great performance, as expected from Gandolfini. And Doug gets into a band here for the same reason most guys do, which is girls, to try and impress girls. And it works for the most part.

20:42Adam Kempenaar:But one of the things I really appreciated about this film, which is a weird little movie, actually, is the way Chase combines together all these elements in this coming-of-age tale so that you get things that are momentous, like the sexual revolution, Vietnam, Martin Luther King's assassination, JFK's assassination, all mixed together with the Rolling Stones forming, with I Want to Hold Your Hand on Ed Sullivan, on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club ban. These are all part of this cultural stew, and they all matter. They all have relevance. And actually, I was looking back at my notes. I made the observation that he's making a similar point, I think, to Richard Linklater in Boyhood, where it's really about how these seemingly significant occasions are really no different than the most mundane moments.

21:29Adam Kempenaar:And it opens with a great bit, Josh, where a young Keith Richards meets a young Mick Jagger on a train. And it's the moment where they realize they both have an interest in blues. And, well, that's the moment that made the Rolling Stones and changed popular culture, right? So it's this notion that just these little tiny experiences can have that big of an impact. And that's what the movie really explores. Matt Singer, in that Dissolve piece on fictional bands, picked the Twilight Zones as his favorite. and he said their aspirations greatly exceed their talent and their struggles to get discovered stand in for those of the thousands upon thousands of similar bands who never made it to the big time and whose stories are rarely told on screen.

22:07Adam Kempenaar:The other thing they have going for them is the fact that their music was written by Stephen Van Zandt who cared enough about Not Fade Away's authenticity to put stars John Magero and John Houston through a rock and roll boot camp so that they could credibly sing and play their own instruments on screen which makes Not Fade Away the rare fiction movie with the genuine flavor of a concert doc. Matt's right. They look like they're pulling it off, which, as I said earlier, is really important to me. And the moment where we see them play their song, the song they hope is going to make them stars, it's called The St.

22:36Adam Kempenaar:Valentine's Day Massacre.

22:41It's a really good song.

22:48Adam Kempenaar:It's not good enough to make them into the Rolling Stones, but it's good enough to keep them struggling along as a band that thinks they just might have a shot, which is the curse of having a song that's just that good.

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25:23Josh Larsen:$1 a day premium based on 2024 average new policyholder data for accident and illness plans pets age 0 to 10. Well, this might be the first top five we've done where I have not seen a single film of yours so far. My number two, I think I'm going to get you with that one too. Oh, boy. All right. We'll see. My number two is Mitch and Mickey from A Mighty Wind. This is Spinal Tap, is deserving of having this list named after it, yes. But not far behind for me is Christopher Guest's other musical mock documentary about a memorial concert that brings together a bunch of has-been folk acts. Among them is Mitch and Mickey, a once-married duo who later divorced, and they've been estranged for years.

26:00Josh Larsen:They're played by Eugene Levy and Catherine O 'Hara. Now, guest films, even the earlier ones, it's a little harder to sense in them, but even the earlier ones, I think, do have an affection for the characters. They're often spoofing. But I feel like Mitch and Mickey are among the most poignant of any of them. Without a doubt. They're still very funny, too, though. It's not that it's made this complete switch to another tone. They just get that balance really well. One of Mitch and Mickey's famous songs was A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow, at the end of which they would share a kiss. So a big part of the suspense for this reunion concert is how that will go.

26:35A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow was written by

26:50Josh Larsen:guest regular Michael McKean and his wife, Annette O'Toole, and it was nominated for a Best Original Song Oscar. So it really works, I think, on its own terms. There's some spoofing going on there, too, about that style of music. But similar to Inside Llewyn Davis, there's also a sincerity to it.

27:05Adam Kempenaar:Well, the songs that Inside Llewyn Davis is making fun of are the same songs that A Mighty Wind is making fun of.

27:11Josh Larsen:Yes, that's a good way to put it.

27:13Adam Kempenaar:In terms of kind of the early days of folk music.

27:14Josh Larsen:Yeah, and that earnestness. The ones that Llewyn Davis hates anyway. Right. The character. Right, that he would say are inauthentic. But you know what? It works for me. It is beautifully performed by Levy and O 'Hara, for sure. and they do manage that fine line between spoofery and sincerity that the entire film really I think

27:32Adam Kempenaar:has I'm shocked I always had you pegged as more of a new main street singers kind of guy they're pretty good too I guess I don't know you very well if you gotta pick Mitch and Mickey well you almost got me with this one but I watched a mighty wind for the first time last night oh you hadn't preparation for the list I'd never seen it even though I had seen all of guests other movies and of course being someone who's into music and who plays instruments I don't have a good explanation for why I never sought this one out. I had seen bits like the performance at the end, but I did kind of love it.

28:01Adam Kempenaar:It's really, really good. And the big reason why you nailed it, that Mitch and Mickey performance, the whole movie hinges on it. I mean, it's setting up from the very beginning. Is Mitch even going to play? And once he does, is he going to be the old Mitch? And are we going to get that kiss? And that moment has to work. And it really, really delivers. But there's some great stuff even after that where it really hit me harder. when we see them looking back on the night and they each have varying takes on what that kiss meant. Because they go separate ways. They do. And their takes on that really, really hit me, actually.

28:35Adam Kempenaar:And I'm not used to having any kind of genuine emotional reaction to a Christopher Guest movie. And I like his movies and I don't think they're as patronizing as a lot of people do when they write them off. I hated For Your Consideration. I don't feel that way about the other movies. But to watch a Christopher Guest movie that has that humor and sure is still mocking in really playful ways, but then have this undercurrent of emotion and just genuine sympathy and empathy for its characters, it really surprised me, actually.

29:01Josh Larsen:No, you're right. I think that level of motion is the next step that it takes, even beyond waiting for Guffman, which I felt a little bit. But here, yeah, it's full force.

29:11Adam Kempenaar:All right, Josh. Do you know a little film from 1982 called Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains? No. All right, I'm four for four. Wow. I'm going with The Fabulous Stains, but you can also throw in their sometimes opening act slash headlining act, The Looters, as well, because they're pretty fantastic. And this is a Lou Adler movie. He also produced The Rocky Horror Picture Show. And I had never even heard of this movie before hearing Laura Dern's interview on WTF with Marc Maron a few months ago. It was her fourth movie, but her first adult role. She's all of 14 or 15, if you can call that being an adult.

29:49Adam Kempenaar:And in the movie, she plays the cousin of Diane Lane, who's the main character of the movie. She's a character named Corinne Burns, and she is the lead singer in The Stains. Her sister plays guitar. Her cousin, played by Laura Dern, as I mentioned, is the bass player. And they're a punk band. Their mother has died of cancer. They have nothing. They have a very cynical take on the world. And they happen to get a chance to go out on the road with this touring band, even though they basically only know one song. This really is a cult movie that deserves to be more widely seen. It's a satire of the music business and the media, with Lane really slyly manipulating television to her advantage to get promotion until it does turn against her.

30:29Adam Kempenaar:It's a movie about the dangers of conformity, and it's also, Josh, a movie very much about feminism and the struggle to assert your identity in a male-dominated world. Corinne's got this mantra that is, I don't put out. We're the stains and we don't put out. There's an obvious sexual connotation to that, but they're also expressing this idea that they're not going to be taken advantage of. They're not going to be what you want them to be and fit into your tidy notions of womanhood. Their best song, and they really only have one other song, is a song they steal from the looters. They perform it at a mall and it's called Join the Professionals.

31:01Adam Kempenaar:And this is a song written obviously from a male perspective. It references the army. You get lines like, yeah, I want to see the world for free, but I won't like the things I see up to, three, four really ain't my style.

31:21Adam Kempenaar:It takes on a completely different meaning when sung from a female perspective. And that scene in a mall where they perform it is really good stuff. I mentioned Lou Adler produced the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And this movie does have that borderline camp feel to it at times. It's silly. It's cheaply made for sure. But as I said, I think it's really smart in the way it tackles some legitimate issues. and there's a real knockout scene with a very young Christine Lottie as Laura Dern's mother, the aunt to Diane Lane. And she goes on TV and the media says, was your daughter always as much of a troublemaker?

31:53Adam Kempenaar:And her reaction is to say, well, yeah, she was. She's always been a nightmare. And then she catches herself and she delivers this really genuinely touching soliloquy where she reflects on the fact that her parents treated her the same way she treated her daughter and how proud she is actually to see those girls up on stage. It's a great scene. And Diane Lane, man, is so good here. One of her early performances, this perfect mixture of hurt, scared little kid and too smart for her own age rebelliousness. I've said too much, but I do have to mention the Looters, that band, the punk band, the Sex Pistols inspired band that she goes on the road with.

32:31Adam Kempenaar:Ray Winstone. Did you know, Josh, that there was a time where he was a young man? i just thought he arrived fully i know me too right like the sexy beast ray winstone is the only ray winstone that's ever been in existence no he was really young once and pretty gorgeous too and he's billy the lead singer of this punk band he's a charismatic presence i'm not sure if he's really doing the singing or not but he certainly has the sneer and the fierce conviction of a punk band and the band of course sounds like the real deal and not a fake movie band because their drummer and guitarist are steve jones and paul cook from the sex pistols their bass player is Paul Simon in from The Clash.

33:06Adam Kempenaar:And that song I mentioned, Join the Professionals, was actually a song those guys wrote in one of their post-Sex Pistols groups. So very authentic playing here and a really smart cult movie that, as I said, I hope more people see.

33:18Josh Larsen:Well, I'm prioritizing your picks here in order of what I should see. So Velvet Goldmine is the first one. And then, ladies and gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains, not fade away after that. I don't know if I'll ever have time for any of the cruisers. I'm going to work on you.

33:33Adam Kempenaar:I'm going to get on the dark side on your iPod.

33:35Josh Larsen:That's after Roadhouse. Fair. All right, number one. It's the Soggy Bottom Boys from Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? In constant sorrow through his days We talked about how these have to be fictional bands, and the Soggy Bottom Boys are fake in two senses. They only exist in the movie, of course, and they aren't even really a band in the movie. Instead, in the Coen Brothers' 2000 farce, which is set in the American South of the 1930s, this is one of the covers that is used by the movie's three escaped convicts, George Clooney, John Turturro, and Tim Blake Nelson, while they're on the run. Now, although they're a fake band, they run into a radio station to perform a song to earn some money, they do manage to record a real hit, Man of Constant Sorrow, which became something of a real-world hit of its own for the best-selling O 'Brother soundtrack.

34:30Josh Larsen:I do love this whole soundtrack, probably because a lot of these blues gospel songs are familiar from my childhood. You are my sunshine, I'll fly away. Now, full credit should be given, of course, to the people behind the music. You said you want to be able to believe that the actors are singing this. I don't think anyone believes George Clovey when he belts out Man of Constant Sorrow. T-Bone Burnett was the producer, and on Man of Constant Sorrow, the voices belonged to Dan Tominsky, Harley Allen, and Pat Enright. Right. In one sense, Oh Brother, Where Art Thou is one of the flimsiest Coen Brothers films.

35:04Josh Larsen:At least, let's say it's one of the most pastichiest. I mean, it's inspired by a lot of bits they're throwing into the mix here. But often I think in their movies, the meat of the matter is in what's going on in the corners or in the details. So in a way, you could argue that this collection of songs which are about suffering and perseverance, about doubt and belief, that's probably what Oh Brother Where Art Thou is really about. So Soggy Bottom Boys, my number one movie band.

35:33Adam Kempenaar:And that song became kind of a hit for a while, didn't I? Oh, yeah. It was everywhere. And I've lamented before, unfortunately, that that's one of the few Cone Brothers movies. I like their work so much. I don't get to rewatch a lot of movies, but I've seen most of their stuff more than once. That's one I've only seen once when it came out in the theater, didn't write about it, didn't talk about it. And when people write in and say, how did you leave it off this top five list and that top five list? I always regret that I haven't seen it again because people love it most of our listeners who write in love it

35:59Josh Larsen:I've probably only seen it once and would like to revisit it as well you know in their filmography I don't rank it as high as a lot of their stuff but I still do appreciate quite a bit and the music is probably the main reason my number one

36:14Adam Kempenaar:I know you have seen Josh I've got three words for you yeah Origin of Love oh that's a good song I've got five more words for you Hedwig and the Angry Inch I mention Original Love because that song is so good in this 2001 film from director and star John Cameron Mitchell, but there may be nothing better actually than the opening credit sequence, the spectacle of Hedwig performing Tear Me Down at a Bilge Waters in Kansas City, while old people immediately scatter for the door.

36:43Josh Larsen:Don't you know me, Kansas City? I'm the new Berlin Wall. Try and tear me down. I was born on the other side.

36:52Adam Kempenaar:I love that opening. And for those of you who are familiar with Hedwig, this is a character who has a botched sex change and starts a band and is a transgender figure, obviously, and develops a relationship with a younger man, Tommy, played by Michael Pitt, who ends up stealing her songs and running off and becoming a big star. The one problem was seeing Hedwig, and I hadn't seen it since 2001, but I was re-watching clips to get ready for this list, And the bad part is then you end up going to, say, the gym or you go to the supermarket and you find yourself out loud singing things like six inches forward, five inches back.

37:29Adam Kempenaar:I got an angry inch. People look at you funny, Josh. Yeah, they do. They probably don't know what you're talking about at the supermarket. No. And because I haven't seen in so long and I know you just caught up with it, I'm actually a little bit more curious to get your reaction than for me to babble about it.

37:43Josh Larsen:No, it was brilliant. And the music is a big part of that. And the Bilgewater scenes, I mean, it's sort of like a Denny's, right? It's this middle brow restaurant, or maybe it's the equivalent of Pizza Ranch. I can picture Hedwig playing at a lot of Iowa Pizza Ranches. But you're right, the reaction of her performance and the disparity between that and the intensity and the commitment to what it is and the people in the audience, the so-called audience, is just so great. But I think Mitchell's performance in those scenes, it's at once wanting to be so entertaining for those people and wanting this to be such a good time with the costumes and the wigs and the music itself and the calisthenics of the act.

38:30Josh Larsen:Yet what he's singing about is just some wrecking stuff, you know, that that that she's gone through in her transformation, in her life. Yeah. When you do pay attention to those lyrics. And there's just a really bittersweet dichotomy between the performance and the subject matter that that does carry through in the whole film.

38:50Adam Kempenaar:Yeah, you nailed it. It's the John Cameron Mitchell performance. It's the music, the intensity, and the emotion of it, and the subtext, and the text of it. The humor and the heartbreak mixed in those songs really is something that makes Hedwig and the Angry Inch special. And it's my number one fictional movie band. And those are our top five fictional movie bands. Josh, what about any honorable mentions?

39:10Josh Larsen:Hedwig is probably my number six. You encouraged me to watch it, so I knew it was going to be on your list. They have the best band name for sure, I think, of any of these that we've talked about. Also in real competition for this list was Sex Bob-omb from Scott Pilgrim and The World.

39:25Adam Kempenaar:Yes, it is a great name. Though not as good even as The Clash at Demonhead, also in Scott Pilgrim.

39:30Josh Larsen:That's true. That's an even better one. Yeah. Another one that couldn't make my list because really I'd be mentioning Back to the Future pretty much for any top five list I would like to, but Marvin Berry and the Starlighters. And then the John Glenn Singers. I thought an inside Llewyn Davis group might make your list, though I know you like Llewyn Davis best. That's the problem. I mean, he's the artistically true one that you want to align with. But the John Glenn singers, that novelty trio behind Please Mr. Kennedy, it's Oscar Isaac, Justin Timberlake, and Adam Driver, I gave them some consideration too.

40:01Adam Kempenaar:Yeah, I could see that. That's a great choice. I also considered the Blues Brothers, Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem from the Muppets, and Sex Bob-omb. But Mitch and Mickey came really close to making my list from A Mighty Win. Others that neither of us have mentioned, but were definitely in contention. The Ruttles, the Eric Idle band, the Beatles ripoff. It's a funny show. See, why didn't you pick that?

40:21Josh Larsen:And then I would have been -

40:22Adam Kempenaar:Five for five.

40:22Josh Larsen:Five for five. I should have gone with the Ruttles. Maybe it's just been too long.

40:25Adam Kempenaar:There was a show a while back where I made a reference to Chase Stadium, the stadium built after the famous revolutionary Chase Stadium, which is a line from the Ruttles. And Josh, not one person on Twitter or email wrote in to tell me I was a hero. It just died. It just died.

40:42Josh Larsen:Well, can the Ruttles, I mean, does it sustain itself? My suspicion with that movie is, does this joke really sustain itself?

40:50Adam Kempenaar:I was going through a real Beatles phase at the time. I don't know what to call the band. They eventually became the swell season, but in the movie once, they were just guy and girl, Markita Erglova and Glenn Hansard. That was hard to leave off the following slowly sequence. The Broken Circle breakdown, the Belgian film that we recently talked about. Whatever that music is they're playing, this mixture of American, Americana, it's bluegrass. It's really good. I enjoyed the music in that film quite a bit. And the Alan Parker movie, The Commitments. I love the music in The Commitments as well. Who are your influences?

41:23Adam Kempenaar:Led Zeppelin. Shanae O 'Connor. Wings. Well, what kind of music are we going to be playing, Jimmy? Soul. Soul. An eclectic list. I know I did at least a little bit of preparation. saw a movie I hadn't seen before for that list and that group ended up making the fabulous stains ended up making my list I love it when homework pays off as I know you do Josh access to the film spotting archive is just one of the benefits of joining the film spotting family you can learn more at film spotting family dot com thanks for listening

41:57Josh Larsen:this conversation can serve no purpose anymore goodbye

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