In short
The Film Spotting “Archive Drop” episode ranks the best “movie summers” by actual release years (roughly May–August), debating how to measure them (poster-like “top five” vs depth/quantity) and arguing which summers were formative or most memorable.
Guests
Adam (host/producer) and Josh (host/producer). No additional guests are interviewed; they reference listener comments and social media.
Key claims
2008 is Adam’s #5 (“The Summer of Superheroes”) anchored by The Dark Knight and WALL-E, plus Iron Man, Kung Fu Panda, Tropic Thunder, Pineapple Express, and Vicky Cristina Barcelona. Josh’s #5 is 1979 (“masterpieces”), anchored by Apocalypse Now and Alien, balanced by The Muppet Movie, plus Life of Brian, Rocky II, Meatballs, Breaking Away, and box-office horror like Amityville Horror. They later converge on 1999 (#1 for Josh, #1/near-top for Adam) and share 1982/#2-#1 positions.
Notable examples
Jaws (blockbuster origin), The Dark Knight, WALL-E, Iron Man, Apocalypse Now, Alien, The Muppet Movie, Blair Witch Project, Sixth Sense, Eyes Wide Shut, Mad Max: Fury Road, Ex Machina, Inside Out, Do the Right Thing, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Batman (1989).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMovie Summers Discussion Introduction
1:16 to 2:48
Hosts introduce the concept of movie summers and their significance.
“What kind of a show are you guys putting on here today?”
Defining Movie Summers
2:48 to 4:12
A discussion on how the definition and perception of movie summers has changed.
“The best summers when you look at May to August, the movies that came out, the plethora of movie choices, the quantity and the quality.”
Ranking Criteria for Movie Summers
4:12 to 5:24
Hosts discuss their criteria for ranking the best movie summers.
“Saturday was so gorgeous here in Chicago.”
Top 5 Movie Summers Overview
5:24 to 7:05
The hosts start revealing their choices for top movie summers.
“So no spreadsheet for me, but I knew that's how you'd do it.”
2008: The Summer of Superheroes
7:05 to 10:21
A detailed discussion on the standout films of 2008, particularly superhero movies.
“And I'm calling this one 2008, The Summer of Superheroes.”
Listener Feedback on Movie Summers
10:21 to 11:39
Hosts share listener responses regarding their favorite movie summers.
“And this one came from Brendan Cassidy, who's at Brendan J.”
Comparing Movie Impact Across Decades
11:39 to 14:10
Discussion on how film impacts vary across generations and decades.
“I thought of these summers in terms of those big five titles and really visualizing it even as kind of a movie poster.”
Impact of Summer Movies Across Generations
14:10 to 15:06
Explore how summer movies influence different generations' perspectives.
“I look back now and I realize how much of an impact those films had on me.”
Recapping the Best Summer Movies of 1979
15:06 to 18:30
A deep dive into the cinematic landscape of the memorable summer of 1979.
“We got to the end of one of the best, if not the best decade for cinema ever, the 1970s.”
Analyzing the Masterpieces of 1979
18:30 to 20:24
Discussion on the significance of major films released in 1979 like Alien and Apocalypse Now.
“I'm with you enough that 1979 is my number four, because this is really a summer of masterpieces.”
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Highlighting the Summer of 1999
20:24 to 25:12
A look back at the influential films of the summer of 1999 and their impact.
“My number four is the summer from the movie year.”
The Diverse Offerings of the Summer of 2015
25:12 to 28:01
Exploration of the notable films from the summer of 2015 and their resonance.
“That same list, Sixth Sense is number eight.”
Exploring the Summer of 2015 Films
28:01 to 29:18
A discussion of notable films from the summer of 2015, including 'Furious 7'.
“Love and Mercy, the biopic-ish movie about Brian Wilson.”
Top Picks of 2015 and Their Impact
29:19 to 30:26
Reflecting on the top films of 2015 and their significance in cinema.
“So a lot of films from 2015, I think, to justify this pick, but especially when you look at those top three, Fury Road, Ex Machina and Inside Out.”
The Summer of Spielberg: 1982
30:27 to 32:04
A deep dive into the influential films of the summer of 1982, focusing on Spielberg's contributions.
“Was it your number one that year as well?”
Significant Films of the Summer of 1982
32:05 to 33:55
Discussing key films from the summer of 1982 and their cultural impact.
“In my 2012 Sight and Sound Inspired Top 20 of All Time list, it makes that bottom 10 group.”
Cinematic Themes and Cultural Reflections
33:56 to 36:24
Exploring the themes of fear, nostalgia, and parental dilemmas in 1982 films.
“And you really did list all the titles, but.”
Analyzing 'An Officer and a Gentleman'
36:25 to 37:38
A look at 'An Officer and a Gentleman' and its cultural significance during the summer of 1982.
“You know, three movies that really explore this idea of the other, whether it's the thing from another world in the thing, the thing from another world that's benevolent in E.T.”
The Impact of Streaming on Summer Releases
37:39 to 39:18
Comparing the movie summers of the past to the current streaming landscape.
“The movie that everybody's parents, if you were a kid like us back then, it's probably the film that everybody's parents went to see that kind of prestige, quote unquote, adult film.”
1989: The Summer of Iconic Films
39:19 to 41:24
Discussing the films that defined the summer of 1989, including 'Do the Right Thing'.
“And this is where I was really struggling with the question of, is it the poster approach?”
Comparing Iconic Films of 1989 and 1982
41:25 to 42:02
Drawing comparisons between major films from the summers of 1982 and 1989.
“Most memorable summer ever at the movies.”
Reflecting on the Iconic Movie Summer of '89
42:02 to 46:06
The hosts discuss their favorite films from the summer of 1989 and their impact on cinema.
“But, you know, it's a movie that I do remember with a lot of affection from 1989.”
Honorable Mentions and Movie Years
46:06 to 47:58
The hosts share their honorable mentions and discuss other notable movie years.
“So I did a little research, Adam, on my website.”
Exploring the Influence of 1984 Films
47:58 to 49:46
Discussion on the films from 1984 that shaped their childhood and the nostalgia associated with that era.
“Also one I still somehow have never seen, but we all know that in movie theaters across the country at midnight, people are still watching the Rocky Horror Picture Show.”
Audience Engagement and Feedback
49:46 to 50:52
The hosts invite listeners to share their thoughts on the best movie summer and their own experiences.
“You just named my neighbor friends at their house, their entire VHS collection with those titles.”
Transcript
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1:24Josh Larsen:What kind of a show are you guys putting on here today? You're not interested in art? No. Well, look, we're going to do this thing. We're going to have a conversation.
1:33Adam Kempenaar:Hey, film spotters, time for our Wednesday Archive Drop. We're looking ahead to Friday's show, our summer movie preview. And Josh, I don't think you were part of the conversation I had with Sam where we picked this top five. We plucked this top five from the archive. Do you know what we mean when we say, if you don't read anything here on the notes page in front of us, when we say movie summers, Yeah. What does that conjure? Do you know what we're talking about? Yeah.
2:01Josh Larsen:I mean, movie summers, when I was younger, that was the movie season. And it usually kicked off around July, but then things became sooner and sooner, moved into June. Memorial Day became the first big movie, and it would stretch into, well, you know, then things got dicey in August. To me, that's a movie summer. It's maybe not so much as big of a thing as it used to be, but it was a thing.
2:26Adam Kempenaar:It definitely was. I wondered if there'd be any confusion with you or with our audience, because there was on my end at first. Was this a top five we did where we were thinking about how summer or a summer was depicted on screen? Or were we thinking about actual actual years? And it turns out we were thinking about actual movie years. years. The best summers when you look at May to August, the movies that came out, the plethora of movie choices, the quantity and the quality. How did we think about those? How did we rank them? I'm not going to list them right now, but Sam put this in our notes that if you Google top five movie summers, the first five that come up here, three of them appeared on our list.
3:12Adam Kempenaar:So I don't know. We're in good company anyway with some of our choices. Okay.
3:17Josh Larsen:We're going to share that with you now maybe a few unique picks also so from june 2022 here is our top five movie summers how fast are they well we clocked the t-rex at 32 miles an hour t-rex you said you've got a t-rex
3:38Adam Kempenaar:say again a top five i am really excited about it's our top five movie summers coming at really the perfect time, Josh, as we are coming off as we tape this, one of the best weekends, certainly in recent memory and maybe ever in Chicago, right? Just gloriously sunny and 70 and breezy, just perfect. And even today, I just got back from taking the kids to the pool for the first time. So I am primed and ready to go.
4:10Josh Larsen:Yeah, we've been hitting the pool too. And it was funny. Saturday was so gorgeous here in Chicago. And yet, of course, what do we still do? We kept it off at the end of the day with a movie. We joked about it. We said we went as a family to see Hello Dolly at the Music Boxes 70 millimeter festival. It was so beautiful. Where why are we going to sit inside? But, you know, when you love movies, that's how you end a gorgeous summer day.
4:35Adam Kempenaar:Now, I am actually really pumped about this top five, partly because it's one of my secret favorite types of top fives, which is ironic because here we are talking about art and we like to think of ourselves at least a little bit as creative types. I love spreadsheet top five. Oh, yeah. This is right up your alley. I hate math and yet I love spreadsheets and I love being able to look at all the movie titles and years next to each other and make my assessment.
5:06Josh Larsen:And here's how our brains are wired differently. That's absolutely the right way to do it. Much more efficient, way better approach. I don't want to be anywhere near a spreadsheet, so I'm using the old fashioned Google Doc for this thing. It's completely ungainly, but that's where I'm more comfortable. So no spreadsheet for me, but I knew that's how you'd do it.
5:28Adam Kempenaar:Well, that is how I started, too, with the ungainly Google Doc, and I realized I needed something more potent. Now, I'm just neurotic enough to have considered going the extra mile and actually assigning a numerical ranking to every film and seeing how the average came out. And I suppose I was just too lazy for that, Josh. It didn't happen.
5:51Josh Larsen:Did you create an advisory board out of listeners of some sort to consult and make sure every decision you were making, every slot in the spreadsheet looked okay? Did you do that?
6:03Adam Kempenaar:I did not do that. Our mechanisms for forming our lists a little bit different. I don't know how different our criteria can be. We'll find that out here in a moment. Did we at least align on, and we touched on this briefly in our Film Spotting Slack, we limited ourselves, right, going back to 75? That sounds right. The summer that everyone kind of points to as the season where the whole notion of the blockbuster summer really began, of course, with Steven Spielberg's Jaws.
6:35Josh Larsen:Yeah, that's what I did. Absolutely. Jaws was kind of the foundational moment that we identified. Let's jump in then. Tell us about your list and give us your number five. At number five, I didn't have to go back to the 70s, didn't have to go back to the 80s or the 90s, Adam. Here is a relatively recent movie summer in my number five slot. It's 2008. Now, I gave each year, each pick here, something of a subtitle, something that jumped out to me as why this particular summer stood out. And I'm calling this one 2008, The Summer of Superheroes. superheroes. So the big one you've got, The Dark Knight.
7:15Josh Larsen:I mean, maybe in the conversation for best superhero movie of all time. This is one we revisited on the show a couple of years ago and both thought it stood up. And so you've got The Dark Knight there right at the top. You've also got this same year, Iron Man with Robert Downey Jr. kicking off the MCU, essentially. I look at my ranking, my MCU ranking list on Letterboxd, Adam. It's my number six MCU film. Now, I will nod to those who think the MCU has ruined cinema. This is obviously not going to count towards a great movie summer for you. I get that. But as someone who thinks more often than not, these are decent, entertaining, well-done films, that is to its credit, to the summer of 2008's credit.
8:01Josh Larsen:And so So I've got those two superhero movies at the top. Could you call WALL-E a superhero, though, Adam?
8:06Adam Kempenaar:I wondered if you would go there, and I don't want to steal any of your thunder, but before you said Iron Man, I thought you might go Philippe Petit for my beloved Man on Wire. Kind of a superhero pulling off the feet of walking between the two towers back in the 70s.
8:21Josh Larsen:It's another credit to that movie, Summer. Yes, absolutely. Maybe superhero. I think WALL-E probably a little bit more of a superhero for me, though. and I look at my Pixar ranking, I've got WALL-E at number four. So if you put those as the two best movies of the summer for me, The Dark Knight and WALL-E, that's quite a one-two punch. As I said, I think Iron Man is one of the stronger MCU films. And then let me throw a couple other titles out that came out. Some great comedy you had in this summer. Kung Fu Panda, another animated effort I liked quite a bit. Tropic Thunder, fantastic. I mean, I want to see Ben Stiller back in that mode in some way.
8:58Josh Larsen:again stepbrothers my kind of adam mckay movie he was still making those just straight out hilarious comedies and then you had pineapple express as well who knows how well that one holds up maybe not so well if i were to revisit it but at the time sort of the perfect zone out summer comedy that i thought worked quite well it's been two months you've been coming to me
9:24Adam Kempenaar:right what's up with this suit i'm a process server your servant like a butler no no no i'm
9:31Josh Larsen:a what no i serve out like subpoenas i gotta wear like disguises sometimes disguise wish i had an easy job like you have you have the easiest job on earth you smoke all day i know we don't like to talk about woody allen anymore vicky christina is good vicky christina Barcelona is good. And it's sort of in that phase where he was making Matchpoint and there was another one that came out not too long after Vicky Cristina that I'm forgetting that was decent as well. Even as someone who's been a Woody Allen skeptic really my whole life, there are some of his early films I recognize are quite good, but I've been pretty skeptical of him.
10:13Josh Larsen:I do think Vicky Cristina Barcelona is a really strong film. So I credit the summer of 2008 with that one as well. Quick note here from a listener, got great responses from listeners on social media about their favorite movie summers. And this one came from Brendan Cassidy, who's at Brendan J. Cassidy on Twitter. 2008 first comes to mind between The Dark Knight, WALL-E, Iron Man, Hellboy 2, another one that I did like, and Speed Racer. Brendan throws in there at the end. I wish I could say i was one of the cool folks who liked speed racer at the beginning i was not have not revisited it since so i those people are not cool i can't say i'm trying to be cool now but some you know some folks would say that also was a highlight of 2008 i don't need it though for 2008 to be my number five pick okay is blue jasmine maybe the other woody allen film you were thinking about
11:05Adam Kempenaar:it the guy isn't it isn't though i know people decent acclaim a few years i know people do like
11:10Josh Larsen:that one as well.
11:12Adam Kempenaar:I wasn't quite as high on it. I wasn't either, but that is neither here nor there. 2008, actually a perfect transition, Josh, into my top five because I strongly considered it, really did take it down just to the final cut, and it ended up being an honorable mention, and here's why. For me, when I talk about that spreadsheet, I had a cutoff, And that cutoff was, fittingly for film spotting, the top five. I thought of these summers in terms of those big five titles and really visualizing it even as kind of a movie poster. If you were looking at a collage of the year, and it was comprised of the best five films of that year, which summers then really started to emerge as elite?
11:59Adam Kempenaar:And 2008 came close, but for me, it didn't have that clear number five. I had Dark Knight and Iron Man and Man on Wire, of course, and WALL-E, and you mentioned a lot of other really good titles, but there just wasn't a clear number five for me the way there was with some of my other movie years. So that poster approach is really what drove my thinking. And I wonder how much of a factor this will be as we get through our list. We are children of the 80s. And I'm sure like me, you tried very hard to be as objective as possible, whatever that means. Go back and look at these titles all through the lens of 10, 20, 30, 40 years, whatever it's been since these movies came out and be realistic about how you value them.
12:50Adam Kempenaar:And yet of the 47 summers we considered, I had 12 that made my initial cut based on the movie poster approach. And of those 12, seven were from the 80s, Josh.
13:00Josh Larsen:I mean, that makes sense. And we'll see how many I have as the list shakes out. I do like the poster. idea. I think that helped me distinguish between my number two and number one, that sort of thinking, how much weight do I give a single fantastic movie that happened to come out over the summer compared to a handful that maybe none of them individually are as good, but as a pack, you know, they do make that summer. It's probably something that doesn't bear out in each of my picks as I'm looking at them now, but it did help me make that distinction at the top. Yeah.
13:34Adam Kempenaar:And occasionally for me, depth was a factor too, even beyond the top five as we get through the list. But I did want to comment on the 80s part of it because at first I was looking at these lists and I'm thinking, man, these 2000s and 2010 summers are just brutal. And then I realized, of course, that not only in the 80s were we at our most impressionable, it's the time when film cast its greatest spell over us, even if we didn't maybe blossom into full-blown cinephiles until a decade later, as is true for me. I look back now and I realize how much of an impact those films had on me. And of course, then I had to step outside myself, Josh, and realize that it's probably going to be the same for a lot of our younger listeners who are going to look back at the titles in some cases we're talking about.
14:27Adam Kempenaar:And they're going to dismiss those the same way I'm dismissing movies from the 2000s or the 2010s, and they're going to really value them. In short, my John Hughes is probably their Harry Potter.
14:38Josh Larsen:Yeah, Harry Potter definitely is going to have that sort of impact or go back to the MCU. I mean, how many, you know, we joke about the 90s kids, the 2010s kids or whatever you call them might point to looking back when they're older, a summer when there were two MCU movies that they absolutely loved were formative for them in the same way in igniting their excitement about going to the movies. And I can see that being the case down the road. Absolutely.
15:05Adam Kempenaar:Absolutely. My number five movie summer is not an 80s summer, but it is close. We got to the end of one of the best, if not the best decade for cinema ever, the 1970s. And in 1979, here's what the movie poster looks like. And I know one of these won't resonate with you, Josh, but for audiences at the time, the movie mattered. And even for audiences like me who caught up with it a few years later and still like it now, it does round out the top five nicely. You've got 1979 Apocalypse Now, number one. Or if you're so inclined, you could go Alien, number one. That right there makes summer 79 one of those summers that you just almost want to imagine yourself going back in time, walking into the theater, unsuspecting, having no idea what Coppola is up to with Apocalypse Now, maybe heard some of the horror stories about its making and people dropping out and all the money he's spending, but really not having a sense of its reputation at that point.
16:13Adam Kempenaar:Obviously, you're not coming to it with a certain perspective, as we did later, and experiencing Apocalypse Now, experiencing Ridley Scott's Alien. And then if those movies maybe felt, I don't know, a little bit oppressive, a little bit too much to take in, you could wash that down with the Muppet movie. I'm Stedler. I'm Waldorf. We're here to heckle a Muppet movie.
16:37Josh Larsen:Gentlemen, that's straight ahead. Private screening room D.
16:40Adam Kempenaar:private screening yeah they're afraid to show it in public oh how great of a family comedy is that film and another great comedy my number four from that year monty python's the life of brian finally for me i've got it at five but other people might have it even higher the follow-up to rocky rocky and apollo creed doing battle again in rocky 2 that top five was the reason why 79 made my list. And there's a few others. Meatballs. You get Bill Murray really planting himself on the movie map in that Ivan Reitman summer comedy, Breaking Away. Another, like Meatballs, great teen movie from the decade.
17:27Adam Kempenaar:And there was a lot of horror, and most of it I haven't seen. But I'm going to go ahead and throw a nod to the people who may have actually seen these films back in the theater in 79, you've got Amityville Horror, not so good, but was actually the number one film at the box office that year. I think I saw in Rotten Tomatoes, it was the last time a horror movie ever topped the box office.
17:50Josh Larsen:28 days after the Lutz family moved into their dream house, they were running for their lives. What happened to them is an experience in terror you will never forget. and you will believe in the Amityville horror.
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18:08Adam Kempenaar:You also had Phantasm and you had Cronenberg's The Brood. And, you know, if you were a Bond fan, you got to go see Moonraker. I could also throw in, but I don't think you'll let me count it, that they re-released Jaws in 1979.
18:23Josh Larsen:No, I don't think we're going to allow that, Adam. That's the sort of cheating is just beyond the pale. But I'm with you. I'm with you on this pick. I'm with you enough that 1979 is my number four, because this is really a summer of masterpieces. When you look at it, you already named, I think what are the two most people would agree are masterpieces, Apocalypse Now and Alien. I'm going to say it. The Muppet movie is a masterpiece as well. And I love how you characterized it as a chaser. Because, yeah, that was one other thing to consider when it comes to these movies. What feel like summer movies, right?
18:57Josh Larsen:Generally comedies, big action, that sort of stuff. Alien has its action, but it doesn't really feel like a summer action movie to me. Apocalypse Now absolutely does not have that summer vibe to it. But then you have the Muppet movie coming along and balancing that out a little bit. So those three really were the reasons why it ended up here at number four. Apocalypse Now, when we did our, I think it was in 2012, yep, our sight and sound inspired list. Best of all time. We did a 10 and then we did a second 10. For me, Apocalypse Now was in that second 10. So it's in my top 20 of all time. You get a movie like that out in a summer, you have to consider it for this list.
19:41Josh Larsen:Yes, Rocky II is not going to be a credit to me as much as Moonraker. I mean, you've got Roger Moore possibly at his cheesiest. My favorite Bond. Loved that when it came out as a kid. I probably caught up with it a couple years later on VHS or something like that. But yeah, Moonraker definitely is a reason why 1979 is on my list at number four.
20:04Adam Kempenaar:I will be curious to see how much more overlap we have, Josh. And for the really pedantic listeners out there, I will go ahead and preemptively note that no, the Muppet movie couldn't really be a chaser to Apocalypse Now. Came out, I think, two months before it earlier in the summer. Did follow a month later. Alien. My number four is the summer from the movie year. We devoted our first best year ever series to back in 2019 commemorating 20 years of this great cinematic year. Yes, it is 1999. The case against 99 would be that it's not a particularly deep summer outside of the top five. I'll get to in a second.
20:51Adam Kempenaar:You've got South Park, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. Fan of that. You've got John Sayles and Limbo. Also enjoy that film with David Strathairn. And Notting Hill, Hugh Grant, Julia Roberts is fine. I also know there is a fair amount of love out there for both Bowfinger and Dick. In terms of the big summer tentpole movies, though, Josh, the movies that should have defined the summer of 99, it's a bunch of films that I still haven't bothered to catch up with, did see and don't really care about or did see and really didn't care for. It's movies like Wild Wild West and The Mummy and Tarzan and Deep Blue Sea, American Pie, even Adam Sandler's Big Daddy.
21:36Adam Kempenaar:If you look at the three highest grossing films of the year, one of them is in my top five. The other two, Austin Powers, The Spy Who Shagged Me, that was a lackluster sequel. And speaking of lackluster sequels, Josh, no Star Wars Episode I, The Phantom Menace. while the movie we were all most highly anticipating back in 99, it's not going to make the movie poster. What is going to make the movie poster are five movies that helped spur this year to number three on my list of the best movie years ever, back in 2017 when we did that top five. Eyes Wide Shut, Stanley Kubrick, of course Kidman, Cruise, and then you've got two horror films, both of which we know how much of a fan you are the sixth sense m night shamalan and the blair witch project two movies that had everybody talking that summer talking about the twist whether they saw it coming trying not to ruin it for people and the film that as we've talked about a little bit here on the show when we did our nine from 99 review of blair witch people weren't sure if it was real, if it was really all a hoax, whatever it was, the marketing around that film was very effective.
22:55Adam Kempenaar:And then we both feel strongly that it lived up to that marketing. The search of the three missing Montgomery College students continues in Frederick County tonight. Ten days and thousands of man hours have been unable to produce any clues.
23:09Josh Larsen:We have a few leads, a few other options we want to take advantage of and just try to put together some pieces to this puzzle.
23:17Adam Kempenaar:how about the iron giant brad bird setting the table for his amazing pixar work a great animated film from that year and i'd round out the top five with tom ticker's pumping high concept thriller that was probably a gateway art house film for a lot of cinephiles back in
23:38Josh Larsen:1999 run lola run talk about stealing my thunder adam you went right out and grabbed my number one yeah and maybe this should have been a joint list it is an incredible incredible lineup and i think why i have this at number one even as you're listing those titles i can picture the theaters that i went to for the top three which i would say are the blair witch project the sixth sense and eyes wide shut as you said the expectations what you did know about it in the case of kubrick just knowing that this was a master with a late career effort. And then all of the buzz surrounding Blair Witch Project in Sixth Sense.
24:20Josh Larsen:So if you're talking about, and the Phantom Menace, I mean, which I, as you know, still appreciate, but I remember thinking about that and anticipating that this was just, it felt like a momentous summer at the time. And it has stood the test of time to remain a momentous summer in retrospect, maybe not in all the ways we expected, some ways that surprised us. I think something like The Iron Giant was a surprise. Sixth Sense, obviously a surprise. And, you know, Blair Witch Project, a surprise. But, yeah, people have been talking about it since Sundance that year. So, yes, it's the experience of being able to put myself, and maybe this isn't a fair way to evaluate this, because obviously I couldn't do this for the 70s, and I couldn't do it really as much for the early 80s at least.
25:07Josh Larsen:The 90s, totally there. And this summer totally hit. Keep in mind, too, when you talk about the Blair Witch Project, I've got that as my number two horror film of all time. That same list, Sixth Sense is number eight. So this for me, as I'm giving it, you know, the subtitle is the summer of horror, just with those two movies on it. And as I'm looking at my 1999 top 10 list, so compiled at the time, I've got Blair Witch, Sixth Sense, Eyes Wide Shut. Let's see what else here. I really love South Park, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. Put that on my top 10. Put The Phantom Menace on my top 10. I think half of my top 10 for that year came out in the summer.
25:50Josh Larsen:So that's why I had to put 1999 right at the top of my list.
25:54Adam Kempenaar:Talk about truly stealing your thunder. I spoiled your number one summer, Josh. I don't know where to go from here. Well, obviously, we both have good taste. We'll see how we do then with my number three movie summer. and as I was earlier bemoaning the lack of good options from the 2000s or 2010s, I've got 2015 as my number three movie summer. And here's another case like 99 where three of the bigger titles people might point to from that summer didn't mean much to me. Those being Avengers, Age of Ultron, Jurassic World, and straight out of Compton, which certainly had its redeeming facets. That was a film that I felt ultimately couldn't overcome some of the pitfalls of that type of biopic.
26:45Adam Kempenaar:Outside of that, though, Josh, there really is a lot of depth here. You've got in the movie poster. Mad Max Fury Road. Ex Machina from Alex Garland. Inside Out. We just talked about it last week on the show in our Pixar poll question. Amy, one of my favorite documentaries from that year. Maybe a weird choice to have in the movie poster, but that's how much I liked it. And there's a lot of competition for these last two spots. I've got Amy and Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, but you could throw in Magic Mike XXL as well. That movie, and actually Magic Mike was just on last night. Flipping channels for a little bit.
27:27Adam Kempenaar:Magic Mike XXL is another one that seems to be on kind of HBO just every so often as I'm flipping channels. And both films are undeniably rewatchable. I get caught up in them every time. It's just kind of background movies if you're a little bit distracted, but also you find yourself getting caught up in them every time. And if those titles aren't enough, there were a bunch of smaller films from that year that I think we were positive on all of them, Josh, at least the ones we both reviewed. Noah Baumbach's Mistress America, great collaboration with Greta Gerwig there as the writer, co-writer with Baumbach.
28:09Adam Kempenaar:He directed it. Love and Mercy, the biopic-ish movie about Brian Wilson. End of the Tour, the biopic-ish movie about David Foster Wallace. We saw Joshua Oppenheimer's follow-up to The Act of Killing, The Look of Silence. And yeah, I can't believe it's taken me this long to get there. How about Pitch Perfect 2? And I know people are screaming right now at their listening devices, Josh, because I've talked about how great the summer of 2015 is, and I haven't even mentioned the movie that surely had to be the biggest movie of the summer, at least second to Age of Ultron. And it's the film that did compel the two of us to take the plunge and actually immerse ourselves in the Fast and Furious series.
29:00Josh Larsen:Like it or not, you and your friends are a part of it now. I don't have friends. I got family.
29:10Adam Kempenaar:Furious 7, one of the better entries in that series or saga, whatever you want to call it. I haven't even mentioned another film I know you like even a little bit more than me, and that's the Amy Schumer comedy, Trainwreck, which is very good. So a lot of films from 2015, I think, to justify this pick, but especially when you look at those top three, Fury Road, Ex Machina and Inside Out. I don't know if you ever have this happen to you, Josh. I was sure that those three films all made my top 10 films of 2015. I would tell people that those three movies are not only three of the best films of that year, they're three of the best films of that entire decade.
29:53Adam Kempenaar:And I went back and looked at my list. Somehow you've got inside out at number four, which I know you like the film. Obviously, I just think of myself as even loving it more. And somehow it wasn't in my top 10 that year. Does that ever happen to you where you're like, I know this is in my top 10? And surely it is. Oh, yeah. You look back and it's not there.
30:14Josh Larsen:Oh, yeah, of course. I've got some crazy stuff on my top tens when you go back. 2015, though, holds up pretty well for me. And it's why I did consider this year. Trainwreck was on that top ten as well. But then the big ones you just mentioned, Inside Out, Fury Road, Ex Machina, my favorite movie of that year. Was it your number one that year as well? I think it was my number two. Your number two. It was one or two. Yeah. So if it's my number one, I had to give 2015 some consideration. but didn't make the cut, however. Answer me this. How do you feel about her? Her AI is beyond doubt. No, nothing analytical.
30:51Josh Larsen:Just how do you feel? I feel that she's amazing.
30:58Adam Kempenaar:You've got two more picks to get to. You're three and two. This is where math comes in and where math gets annoying. You have your number three and number two left. I've got my number two and number one. And it turns out we share. Those same movie years, just in a slightly different order. Tell us why 82 is your number two.
31:18Josh Larsen:Well, because it's the summer of Spielberg. That's the subtitle I gave this, which people may be wondering why. Wasn't E.T. the only Spielberg film that came out that summer? Well, he had a pretty heavy hand involved in Poltergeist, which is a horror film that has made my top 10 horror films of all time list. I think I've got it number nine there. And yes, Spielberg was a producer. It feels very much like a dark Spielberg film. The credited director, Tobey Hooper, all sorts of production stories about how heavily Spielberg was involved in that. Whatever the case, it's a really incredible horror film.
31:58Josh Larsen:And one of the reasons I have 1982 as my number three movie summer here, Spielberg's Touch. Let's go back to E.T. though. My favorite Spielberg film. In my 2012 Sight and Sound Inspired Top 20 of All Time list, it makes that bottom 10 group. Also, we've already talked about Fury Road. Adam, in 2015, one of the years, one of the summers you picked. How about Mad Max 2, The Road Warrior? Hard to say which is better in terms of a George Miller movie, Fury Road or Road Warrior. If I were ever forced to pick, that would be incredibly tough. I love Mad Max 2. You also have just a little movie called Blade Runner coming out in 1982.
32:40Josh Larsen:I'm a big fan of Tron. It might be a while before others who look at this summer get to Tron if they get to it at all. But I think that's one of the best films of that summer. And then we've talked about how comedies are crucial to have as part of the mix here. In your favorite movie summers, you've got a great one with Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Oh, Mr. Han, what's the reason for your truancy? Just couldn't make it on time. You mean you couldn't or you wouldn't? It was like a full crowd scene at the food lines. Food will be eaten on your time. Why are you continuously late for this class, Mr.
33:21Josh Larsen:Spicoli? Why do you shamelessly waste my time like this?
33:29I don't know.
33:32Josh Larsen:So Jace Kowski on the Larson on Film Facebook page, he dropped this comment. Simply the summer of 82 made me a movie lover. We've talked about which summers are the formative years for us. 82 was one for Jace. A couple of titles that are highly rated by others, maybe not so high by me, but The Thing, An Officer, and A Gentleman, those both came out in 82. So a significant movie summer for me, and I've got it at number three.
34:00Adam Kempenaar:Yeah, significant. And so good. I stole your thunder. Now you're returning the favor. 1982 is, in fact, my number one. Number one. Movie summer. Yeah, it's number one. And you really did list all the titles, but. Officer and a gentleman put it over the top for you. Hey, hey, you kid. It's part of the reason why I think 82 is such a good movie year. No, it's not in the movie poster. The top five for that year looks something like this to me. Blade Runner, E.T., The Thing, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and then here is where we really get into what makes 82 so deep. You could have any number of films, at least five or six, contending for that fifth spot, and everybody listening might have a different answer.
34:49Adam Kempenaar:You could go Poltergeist. You could go An Officer and a Gentleman. You could go with Mad Max 2, The Road Warrior, one of three big sequels from that summer. I noticed, Josh, that you skipped two movies that you don't care for but are pretty great. And I loved them when I was a kid in the early 80s. And I still think they're very good now. Rocky 3 and Star Trek 2. Give it to me. Give me a little comment. Oh, that's right.
35:16Josh Larsen:I saw that and I was like, do I even want to put this on my list? Because then I have to deal with Khan.
35:24Yeah,
35:27Adam Kempenaar:I think you do have to deal with Khan and it belongs as part of the conversation. Also, folks wanting their kind of boomer nostalgia fix that year. Diner came out in early May, but I have yet to list the film that actually for me would be in the top five. I know a lot of people overlook it. This is my particular hill to die on. One of my all-time favorite movies happens to be the George Roy Hill film starring Robin Williams and Glenn Close, The World According to Garp. That was also 82. So maybe tough to put that in the top five when you're talking about movies like Blade Runner, E.T., The Thing, Fast Times, and Poltergeist, but it would be in the poster for me.
36:09Adam Kempenaar:And you were talking about your year 99 as the horror year. And certainly I wouldn't describe E.T. as a horror movie or Blade Runner. But it's interesting to see those three titles together and think of them kind of as three varying takes on the creature feature. You know, three movies that really explore this idea of the other, whether it's the thing from another world in the thing, the thing from another world that's benevolent in E.T. or these replicants, these things that are just like us. They take the form of us, not unlike that creature in the thing. And that's a film, I know you're not as big a fan of, Josh, that Carpenter film, but just speaking to something primal about human nature, the nature of human nature, the notion of fear itself, about survival, about paranoia, and Fast Times, the seminal teen sex comedy that really created the blueprint, for better or worse, for so many films that followed throughout that decade.
37:09Adam Kempenaar:And I'm talking about horror movies. I imagine seeing Fast Times at Ridgemont High for a lot of parents in the early 80s was a kind of horror experience, right? Oh, that's what our kids are up to. I really didn't need to know that. And of course, Poltergeist, the movie that then was about those parents, that 60s generation parents now reckoning with some of the decisions that they're making later in their life. That's a film that still absolutely holds up. And you joke about an officer and gentleman. I've always been a fan of that film. The movie that everybody's parents, if you were a kid like us back then, it's probably the film that everybody's parents went to see that kind of prestige, quote unquote, adult film.
37:53Adam Kempenaar:Your dad was probably seeing it because it was about the military. Your mom was probably seeing it because it had Richard Gere in it looking so good in those naval whites. Louis Gossett Jr. giving a performance that went on to be awarded Best Supporting Actor, the first black actor ever to win that award. I done some checking. I looked through your files. I know about your mama. Hey, don't you eyeball me? You know, your father's an alcoholic and a chaser. That's why you don't mesh, man.
38:26Josh Larsen:Because deep down inside, don't you eyeball me. Deep down inside. You know that all these other boys and girls are better than you are. Isn't that right, man? Isn't that right? No, sir! No, sir!
38:44Adam Kempenaar:we've mentioned like 12 films josh that came out alone in the summer of 82 that are all still worth seeing and worth discussing and that's why it's my number one yeah it's pretty incredible to
38:58Josh Larsen:think about that all being packed into just a couple of months isn't it i don't know if do we get that with the world of streaming nowadays we probably get just as much in terms of quantity of the content. But yeah, that is a ton of good stuff. So number one for you, number three for me, which means I'm moving on to my number two. And this is where I was really struggling with the question of, is it the poster approach? Do you want quantity, essentially, although all quality as well? Or could there be one film that is just so towering? You almost have to reckon with the summer because that one film came out as long as the rest of the season wasn't a dud and this is what 1989 was for me it was the summer of an all-timer it's when we got do the right thing the only film of any of these we've discussed i talked about how we did that sight and sound inspired top 10 of all time back in 2012 do the right thing was on my top 10 at that point and so it's just in a different stratosphere than any other movie we've talked about and it came out in the summer of 1989.
40:07Josh Larsen:Okay. So I've got to take this summer seriously. What else came out that might actually not only landed at this list, but put it pretty high up, if not number one, number two, where I've got it, Indiana Jones and the last crusade. I think we both consider that not just an Indiana Jones sequel, but really in its own right, an incredible adventure film. Dead Poets Society, which we've revisited together, Adam, on the show and thought held up. Similarly could say the same thing about Batman, Tim Burton's Batman. Hugely appreciated that on a revisit. And then you have a couple here that some people might not like as much.
40:49Josh Larsen:Some people might rank as highly as the ones I just said. When Harry Met Sally, Sex, Lies, and Videotape, the announcement of Steven Soderbergh. And for me, James Cameron's The Abyss. I love The Abyss, a hugely underrated Cameron movie. And maybe that's just because he's made other films that have become these box office and cultural juggernauts. And I know there is affection for The Abyss out there, but I would actually put The Abyss right up there with some of his most acclaimed films. So for me, 1989 had to be at number two, had a couple of listeners give support on social media. Greg Millikan on Twitter.
41:25Josh Larsen:He's at my tweet Lord. Most memorable summer ever at the movies. And then Rich Starnes on Facebook. I don't know how much I factored this in, but he offered this up. Weekend at Bernie's. Always vote for Weekend at Bernie's, if you say so, Rich.
41:40Adam Kempenaar:I did laugh quite a bit at Weekend at Bernie's back in 99. I'm not going to lie. The sequel, not so much. Josh, I'm sorry. Where in that litany was Roadhouse? Oh, have I seen Roadhouse? Oh, man, if you haven't, that's our next live show. I know. I would love nothing more. And I think that would be a great choice. Yeah, maybe more apropos for our friends at the Blank Check podcast to watch Roadhouse versus us. But, you know, it's a movie that I do remember with a lot of affection from 1989. No, it's not on the movie poster. Josh, you almost nailed it. Here we are sharing another pick and we're even sharing the same slot.
42:23Adam Kempenaar:For me, it really came down to 89 versus 82. And even though we agree 99 is obviously a great year, made both of our lists. These two were in a tier all by themselves. And it's that that poster. You had them in almost the exact same order as me. Do the right thing. Last Crusade Dead Poets Society Batman And then for me Instead of Abyss Or When Harry Met Sally Ahead of Sex, Lies, and Videotape I've got the Soderbergh In that fifth slot Followed by the Abyss And the Rob Reiner comedy classic With Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan A big movie that summer too That maybe no one's going to go back And need to re-watch Lethal Weapon 2 Was a big hit Vampires Kiss The Nicolas Cage movie that I still need to see came out in 89.
43:14Adam Kempenaar:And maybe we won't talk too much about Star Trek V, The Final Frontier. Josh? Final Frontier? I think that's the one I like. That's probably the one you like, which would make total sense. But we don't need to extol the virtues of these films. It's just the variety, though, encompassed in those five. You've got Soderbergh really setting the indie world on fire with Sex, Lies, and Videotape. Me in 89, the aspiring but not quite college English major seeing something like Dead Poets Society and having my world set on fire. Batman, the defining comic book film, certainly of our childhoods, and really, and certainly a superhero film, the defining film until we started to get all those MCU movies, of course, much later.
44:06Adam Kempenaar:And Indiana Jones feeling at the time, you know, I wasn't a big fan of Temple of Doom when it came out in 84. And I still, of course, had that deep appreciation for Raiders of the Lost Ark. But I remember coming to The Last Crusade kind of thinking, is this Spielberg just trying to reheat the magic a little bit? Is this film really going to deliver on its own terms? And we've talked about it here on the show, having seen it recently, fairly recently, not only with my kids on DVD, but then also seeing it at the music box with a big crowd. It was a magical experience. And for me, one of my favorite Spielberg films, not too far behind Raiders of the Lost Ark and Do the Right Thing, a movie I don't think I saw in 89, Josh.
44:54Adam Kempenaar:I was still in a place in time, maybe not quite, I've said this before, maybe not quite at that point as sophisticated a cinephile as you. I was one or two years away still from really getting into it. And in small small town, Iowa, we weren't getting do the right thing at the single theater cinema. I certainly at that age wasn't able to drive to Des Moines and see that film either. And as we're thinking about movie summers and we kind of started off talking a little bit about a summer like 79 and what it would have been like to see Apocalypse Now in the theater for the first time or see Alien back in 79.
45:33Adam Kempenaar:Do the Right Thing is also one of those time capsule movies. Sure. You you really do wonder what it would have been like, how incendiary it would have been, how revolutionary it would have felt at the time. And then add to it. What if I could have seen it in my little small town, Iowa cinema? What would the reaction to that film have been? It's something that will only have to be a fantasy, Josh, but 89, certainly not just one of the best movie summers ever, but the second choice on my list that I also had as one of my favorite movie years ever.
46:16So I did a little research, Adam,
46:28Josh Larsen:on my website. And indeed, Star Trek V, The Final Frontier, it's one of the rare good Star Trek movies. So I think that's it. I've got to bump 89 up to number one now, given that.
46:40Adam Kempenaar:You're incorrigible. Those are our top five movie summers. We would love to hear your picks or any other comments about the show. Feedback at filmspotting.net. Did you have some honorable mentions, Josh, that you want to fit in?
46:58Josh Larsen:I did give consideration, as I mentioned, to one of your picks, 2015. And then the other two years that I thought about were 1991, quickly, Thelma and Louise, Jungle Fever, Terminator Tube, Judgment Day, Boys in the Hood. Those were the movies that really made me give that year some consideration. And then how about 2002? We just revisited Sam Raimi's Spider-Man recently. Really strong film, held up for us. You had Shyamalan again with Signs, Spielberg with Minority Report. Lilo and Stitch is a Disney movie that I really like. The Bourne Identity and then About a Boy. I think those were the strong films.
47:37Josh Larsen:Of course, I'm a fan of Attack of the Clones. I love the prequels. I know you are. So you know that works for me. So those were the other two years I did think about, 1991 and 2002.
47:45Adam Kempenaar:Well, making your case further for 1991, I believe that not only did you not give proper recognition to Roadhouse earlier, but you did not call out Point Break either. Oh, that's right. Swayze magic from 1991 mentioned it earlier 2008 from your list one I considered going back to the original the one that started it all that movie poster for 1975 starts with Jaws is followed by Dog Day Afternoon and then you throw Robert Altman's Nashville on it from there the esteem maybe drops but that is a formidable trio you've got Woody's Love and Death you've got Cooley High a movie we both like quite a bit.
48:27Adam Kempenaar:Also one I still somehow have never seen, but we all know that in movie theaters across the country at midnight, people are still watching the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And I mentioned off the top that seven of my 12 that I was considering or something were from the 80s. I will not run through them all, but I think you just can look back at every year, 84 up to 88, you can make a case for. And I think the only one I'll single out here, Josh, that is the purest shot of nostalgia. Just when you look at the list, it's 84. Another one of those years that a lot of people consider one of the best movie years ever.
49:06Adam Kempenaar:This is the summer that gave us Ghostbusters, The Karate Kid, Revenge of the Nerds, 16 Candles, Gremlins, Red Dawn, another Swayze pick. The Last Starfighter, of course, Prince and Purple Rain. I mean, I didn't see The NeverEnding Story, but a lot of people loved it in 84. And I've left out two films that I don't like that much, The Temple of Doom. And Once Upon a Time in America, 84 is the year I couldn't justify on my list because I don't know that I could look a lot of listeners in the eye and say that outside of nostalgia, all or even most of these films hold up. but it's the one I really have to highlight here, Josh, because I don't know how I could explain to someone who wasn't a kid in 84, what it was like, just the endless parade of going to the theater and seeing these films and then rewatching them and rewatching them and rewatching them on HBO.
50:01Josh Larsen:Yeah. You just named my neighbor friends at their house, their entire VHS collection with those titles. Pretty much star Wars, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. The Sound of Music. In the tradition of these great films about fighting back against the odds, 20th Century Fox presents another milestone in motion picture history.
50:27Josh Larsen:Revenge of the Nerds. Nerds! Nerds.
50:31Adam Kempenaar:We do love to get your feedback. What do you think the best movie summer was? Do you remember going to the theater repeatedly, maybe back in your youth or even as an adult and seeing the best set of movies? If you could go back in time and relive it, what summer would it be? Let us know. Feedback at filmspotting.net. And if you would like to learn more about becoming a member of the Film Spotting family, where you get unlimited access to the Film Spotting archive and more, you can learn more at filmspottingfamily.com. This conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
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