Ep 12 | The Colour Analysis Debate

0:03Welcome to Glossy, the podcast you didn't know you needed. We're your hosts, Jazz and Hannah, friends for over a decade, bonded over a love of beauty. Between us, we've done it all. Salons, makeup counters, film sets, fashion weeks. Hundreds of bottles of fake tan and way too many products we probably didn't need. Now we're spilling it all here. The trends, the treatments, the hot takes. And the beauty confessions you won't hear anywhere else. This is Glossy. Welcome to episode 12 of the Glossy podcast. Welcome back. Welcome back. Yep, here for another episode. So today's episode, we are talking all about colour analysis and seasons and all of the above.

0:49Yeah. So our question to you is, have you ever put on a lipstick or a top or got a new hair colour and that has made you look and feel incredible? or the opposite, it's made you feel not great. And then you've watched your friend with the exact same thing and you look completely different. Yes, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So seasonal color analysis is everywhere right now. And today we are going to be breaking down what it means and should we all be going out to get color analysis? Yeah. So I think everyone has seen TikTok, Instagram reels, celebrity color analysis. Chat GBT. Chat GBT, yes, exactly.

1:40Everyone's going on chat to be like, what hair color should I have or is this the right color palette for me? Yeah. Have you ever been color analyzed? No, I haven't. Few reasons why. Do I think it's worth it? Personally, no. I mean, I would agree. I mean, if you are a color analysis expert out there and listening to this, you will probably disagree. But for us, and definitely for me, I don't know how accurate it is. I also don't like the feeling of somebody telling me, these are your colors, these are not your colors. And if it's colors that I love wearing, I wouldn't be able to wear those colors without thinking I'm going to look like, I don't know, a blob or look like terrible wearing this color.

2:29But I really like this color, i.e. black. And I mean, I think as well that if you're wearing something and it makes you feel really great and confident and you love it for whatever reason. Yeah. I think that will show through. Yeah. And I know we've kind of discussed it in certain elements that, you know, if someone is doing the color analysis, we've all seen the videos. They have on like a white like hair covering. Oh, yes. They tend to have something that comes up just to kind of like you're just looking at the face. And it kind of comes down to what's your skin color doing at that time? Are you, you know, do you have a little bit of sun?

3:12Is it summery? You've got a bit of a tan or are you at your paler? state, you know, they tend to do it, I think, with no makeup on, whereas some people always have makeup on. Yeah. They never don't have makeup on. Yeah. Hairstyles, like when my hair looks a certain way, I feel a different sort of way and it all influences everything. So I think it's a lot more than just what meets the eye. Just doing a session. Yeah. Because I think there's a lot of, you know, variables that we need to take into account, which I think we're going to look at today. Yeah. So if you are listening to this episode and you were like, what is color analysis or seasonal color analysis?

3:54The basics are you are either a, well, actually they get more specific than this, but it's like a spring, a summer, a autumn, a winter, and then they talk about like light or. Yeah, or like cool or warm or. Yeah. It starts off at four and then it breaks away to like 16 or something different options. Variants. Yeah. Yeah. So what does it go by? It's like cool undertones or warm undertones? Yes. But I think that's where when you're looking at it, it is very complicated. Like do you know what you are? No. Yeah. I don't know what I am either. And I think for me it also goes to what is your undertone?

4:37So like we said, there's warm or cool, but there's also neutral. So often people don't know what they are and it can be a little bit confusing. And I always got taught one of the ways to quickly look is to look at your veins. Yes. So if you have blue veins, you're normally cool. If you've got green veins, you're normally warmer. Yeah. And if you've got a mixture between the two, you tend to be in that neutral camp. Right. But that can also play a part if you've got fake tan on. Exactly. You know, like it makes everyone's veins look a little bit green. Yeah. And that's even where like I know at MAC.

5:18Yeah. As one of the makeup brands, they're kind of swapped. Yeah. So like their warm is what we would call like a warm for them has pinky undertones and And their cool has golden undertones, which is the opposite of what it is. Just off the bat, a warm, we're thinking like Jennifer Lopez, like those really kind of warm golden tones. And someone cool could be like Dita Von Teese, like very cool undertones. Yes, where they've almost got this beautiful porcelain skin. Meryl Streep has beautiful pale skin. and I'm just like, when I'm pale, I don't, my skin doesn't look like that. My skin's not like that.

6:04Looks ill, maybe a little bit jaundice or something. You know, it looks yellowy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, okay, so if we're going, if we're looking at color analysis and we're looking at it from a standpoint of like hair color, for example. Got the professional hair. Yeah, yeah. But it's interesting because we could be like some people as a blonde can look absolutely stunning. And then other people don't look as great. Or you've got warm blondes and then cool blondes. You've got coppers, brunettes, nice depth of color. Or, you know, then the discussion is like, is your natural hair color the best hair color for you?

6:50now I have a couple of opinions on this from a hairdresser standpoint obviously I am going to do my clients here with what they want to look like but there are different factors so I have got one of my regular clients Kelly shout out Kelly she came to me this week and we have she's been coming to me for four or five years and she goes dark brown and we're usually doing her roots and once before we've made her ends a little bit lighter and then she want to go back to dark so we went back dark and then maybe three appointments ago she started going a bit lighter and so because she's got these greys coming in and they're so strong that in two weeks time after she's had her color done.

7:43She can see them. She can see the roots, which is a problem that many people have. I get it. Yeah, exactly. So solution for that is then starting to blend lightness in your hair with the gray pattern, which is called gray blending. So we're starting to do a little bit of that with her hair by popping more around the face, framing some lighter pieces pretty much throughout her whole hair, but it's not like we've gone blonde. Yeah. It's like, it almost looks like a slightly lighter brown with her ends lighter, but she also wants it a little bit cooler because, you know, to match with the grays. Yeah.

8:24Which is actually quite hard. So you need to then lift it quite far to then cool it down. So that's a bit of a process. But anyway, I was talking to her on Tuesday when she came in for her appointment and she was like, it's so funny. because she always wears like greys and light blues and that was always her color. Like that's what she felt so comfortable with. And then since she's had her hair change, she put on her gray and then Mark, her husband, was like, that looks not good. Like you actually look ill. That's hilarious that he said that. But also she was like, suddenly I've had to now go for slightly warmer tones or richer tones to bring that richness back that she now doesn't have in her hair.

9:15Which is funny because I would have thought if she had gone a little bit lighter but still in the similar and a little bit cooler, technically those cool-toned colors should work. Yeah, but it just wasn't working. Exactly. color you know your colors and color theory and um I mean same with blondes and like it's tricky because if you've got an issue like you're trying to blend gray hair gray hair has no pigment it doesn't have warmth so and our hair any hair with pigment has warmth if you color it at all even if it's just like a toner you are using to put that toner onto your hair you need to use a developer which does change the hair slightly even if it's a very low developer it does something to the hair so you are then left with warmth so if you are trying to blend the gray you are often going for a slightly cooler tone but if you've been doing like blondes or brunettes or anything that has warmth in it because you've been coloring your hair then going to a cooler tone can be quite jarring yeah and then you're being you're conscious of wanting it to be cooler because you want it to blend with the roots but then suddenly there's no contrast yeah um so it is a really tricky one it's kind of like you've got to work out are you okay with the roots coming through and having greys but having a color that does make you stand out or would you rather have the greys covered but not have a color that really suits you it's hard like it is hard because I'm kind of going through with your hair this process at the moment that I like changing my hair often and I love being copper.

11:24I love being super dark, you know, like almost black. And I also like when my hair is like a balayage, but I like that to be a really creamy balayage that I can't obviously swap between all of these colors and keep it to what it wants to be. So at the moment we've kind of gone a little bit closer to my natural color. which I haven't been close to my natural color ever since I was probably about 15 and I started noticing a few grays popping through. And I am liking it and I do think it suits me. At certain times when I do have some of these more bolder colors, I need to be fake tanned or I need to have makeup on.

12:09Otherwise, I notice I naturally have redness in my cheeks. So if I don't have something, it can sometimes make me look a little bit redder. Yeah. But it is one of those things because we went lighter and I was like, no, I hate being a warm light. I like being a cooler light. Yeah. But I love being like warm coppery color or like a rich chocolate color. Yeah. So it just kind of depends on the level of the color. The depth. I like it to be warm or cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's a tricky one. It is. Yeah. I do notice a lot when we go back to like gray blending, the Kane Salon and a lot of his hairdressers do a lot of gray blending videos.

12:52And it's interesting. They create these amazing transformations. And then it's not often you'll then have that person come back. And I saw a video the other day that this person had come back and there was a lot of warmth in their hair. People don't realize. Yeah, because the coolness disappears and that warmth is left. And then they will also see the before and afters on social media and be like, I want that. So I'll tell my hairdresser that I want that. And it can look like that, but long term, like you're going to be back in eight weeks. Yeah. Actually, an interesting thought of that is, you know, oh, what's her name?

13:31Who had the facelift? What's her name? Kim. Kim. Amazing hairdresser. Yeah, incredible hairdresser. It seems like such a nice person and I love watching her transformations. Yeah, same. So she did one and her client – Was it her friend? Was it her friend who wanted to be really blonde? Yes. Yes, so it was her, like, best friend. Oh, was it? Oh, that's funny. And she had been asking for it for a long time and Kim had been saying no. Yeah, and then so she did it. And the color, she did such a beautiful job of how light it was. but then I saw it and was like I don't think that she suits it so much but that's what she wanted to have yeah and that was exactly like her inspiration picture and all the comments were like she's aged 20 years yeah and I was like yeah and then so anyway she came back and then did it again she toned her down and warmed it up a little bit and she looked like a new person so it's just like there you go yeah and they did they even see I saw it like a side by side of the two images and you're like yeah she does look older yeah and I think that's especially blonde like a lot of people when they want to be blonde they want to be like scandy blonde they want to be super bright and sometimes that actually isn't that flattering for most skin types yeah it isn't no no and it's high maintenance and it's not it's not what we want no but it definitely I think this is where that kind of takeaway of colors can affect how you look and like the wrong hair color can affect your skin and what you wear with it and it's sometimes it's a lot more than just asking your hairdresser I want to be this color you have to then take into account a few other factors and I know with brows it's the same thing most people will have a neutral undertone with their brow sometimes it'll be warmer but most people are on that neutral sitting um so you do kind of have to take into account like are we wanting to warm the brow up are we wanting to cool it down and then if you've got someone with like old tattooing that can sometimes bring out either the warm or cool colors so then you have to actually color correct that yeah the hard thing with brows are versus like hair is the strength of the pigment that we're using.

15:47Like the oxidant we use is very, very weak compared to like a semi. Um, and so it's not going to last that long. So you're actually potentially better to use like colored brow products to kind of get that warmth or get that coolness versus trying to tint them. Yeah. We use henna, which then kind of goes into our next segment, which is makeup. Yeah. Um, um, Do you think about colors when you're choosing what makeup? Like do you think about warm cool? Or do you just go, I like, yeah, personally. Like when you're looking and buying makeup for yourself, do you go, I like that color, I want that color?

16:27Or do you go, this color is going to suit me? I think I personally tend to go for warm colors. Yeah. But also I will be swayed by products. I will be influenced by products regardless if it's cool or warm. And I justify that to myself as I can get it for my kit and have it available for my clients and also myself. And I just like trying new products. If somebody says, oh, this is great, then I will try it. If it's not too expensive or it's something that I genuinely think I'd use. But personally, if I'm looking at like blush or lip colors, I will tend to go for slightly warmer or bronzer. I won't hardly ever use a contour that is not warm.

17:27Yeah. What about you? I often will choose something like I I'm the same I like a warmer tone normally yeah but I do go for some of the cooler tones sometimes um and I love like one of the colors I'll sometimes I don't like say on my lip I don't like anything too warm normally I find certain colors pull warm on me like go orange yeah like when I worked at MAC everyone came in loving Velvet Teddy yeah um and even now Charlotte Tilbury Pillow Talk. I personally don't, I have Velvet Teddy, but I don't ever use them myself because I don't like them on me. I prefer something a little bit more like mauvey, cooler, but then I also like something a bit warmer sometimes.

18:14But I tend to then go, if its color is too warm, I'll sometimes still use it and go in with like a stone or a chestnut or something to kind of add that depth back in. So I think I kind of play and like sometimes I'll be like, like today I grabbed an orange blush. Love it. Is that what you've got on? Yeah, I just, you know, when you've got that, like, I'm going to use that and you're not thinking about what you're doing and then you're putting it on and you're like, I've literally just put orange on my face. Like, is this a good idea or is this not a good idea? I love it. But I have that impulsive drive sometimes.

18:48So I kind of dart around. It also depends if I've got fake tan on or not. If I've got tan on, I'll go for that really warm. Or I love like Tenille J, she has that kind of latte makeup. And so sometimes you'll be using something that's a little bit more like ochre-y yellow and a few of those kind of colors. And then other times it will be a bit cooler. I do personally, I will say, I hate if someone's like, I want like a black, gray, smoky eye. Yeah. Not necessarily a fan of that. I would much prefer doing a brown. Because I also feel like it's not flattering so much. Or another color. Well, it actually can be beautiful, depending on what the look is.

19:30I think also like with you and me, we will play with color, whether that's our hair, clothes, makeup, anything really. We're not really afraid to try something. Yeah. Whereas I think with other people we know, they have their set one blush that they use that they've invested in, their one lipstick, their one bronzer. They've got their set colors. Yeah. And then they don't really chop and change, which is not saying that it's a bad thing. Yeah, I would say that's correct. Because if I put something on and I'm like, that's pulled this color or it's done this, I'll then just layer something else on top of it.

20:11Be a bit creative. It's not looking right. Add a little bit more color to create some harmony. So, yeah, I would agree. We're definitely. We're not afraid. Yeah. To try something and be creative. Especially like makeup. Like hair I think is a little bit different. Yeah. But like makeup, you know, like you can take it off and try something else if you don't like it. Yeah. But it is funny, like talking about makeup, color and undertone, you would have someone walk in on counter and they would say to you, I want a red lipstick. Yeah. And you'd be like, cool. What type of red? What sort of red do you want?

20:47And they're like, I want like a true red or I want a warm red or I want a cool red. And you'd be like, cool, this is like Ruby Woo. This is like a true red. And they'd be like, no, that's too cool. That's too warm. Or they'd point to something else and you'd be like, that's pink. But it is funny that we all also see color so differently. I agree. I just had a thought about makeup I filmed an ad the other day for Burger King We would like some vouchers Shout out Burger King It was actually so fun I had such a good time and I didn't tell the makeup artist that I was a makeup artist and a hairdresser because I didn't want her to feel awkward and then I was like felt awkward that I hadn't told her because then I'm like if she finds out Yeah, I'm not trying to trick it.

21:40And then also I was genuinely interested in like what she was going to do on me. And as an actress, you don't really have a say in what you're going to wear. And she did my foundation. Everything looked lovely. I think she used Charlotte Tilbury Flawless Filter and then like Cosis Concealer. And then she used a little bit of blush. And then I realized I just go heavy on blush. Yeah. Because I was like, I felt naked. I felt like I didn't have anything because I didn't have blush. And the lip color that she did on me was magenta lip pencil from MAC. Yeah. So like purple, like magentary. I like it, but it depends what else is going there.

22:27It was that and then a co-stars like gloss that was like purple. And I was like, this is not my color. And I did go into the bathroom. No, I went into the bathroom and put on a little bit more blush and just like pressed in a little bit of that color into my lips because I was like, I did look terrible. I think though. It wasn't anything to do with her. No, but I think when you say that element of the blush wasn't enough. Yeah. How many times though have you been doing someone's makeup, like say for a wedding or a ball or whatever it might be, and they're like, oh, it's too much blush. I don't want it knocked back.

23:10And I think it's because people don't actually take into account, especially with like an event like that. They're normally wearing casual clothes and then they put everything on and then they're like, oh, actually I feel washed out. I feel washed out and I need a bit more. Or blush I find is one of the first things to go normally that you do kind of go a little bit more heavy-handed. But then to me there's the layers. that if you have like a strong, bold lip like that, because I would say that color would suit you because of your eyes and I can see it working on you, but I think you then need to have a balance of enough base on to hold that color.

23:50Like some bronzer and there wasn't any of that. Again, no slight at her as a makeup artist. She was a great makeup artist. But I was just like, and also I know what suits me. I couldn't tell you what they are. And also like what you're comfortable with. Because I think that's the hard thing as a makeup artist or as a hairdresser or any sort of element like that, even a stylist, when you're trying to put your opinion. Often you've just met that person and you just see them and you're like, I think this would suit you. And they might be like, absolutely not. And it's like what you're comfortable with, what you like.

24:28I even found that like with brows. You know, like I'd be like, if I just went a little bit darker in here, I know it would make the world of difference. And it would look incredible technical wise. But then the person would be like, can we just buff them back a little bit? And then over time they'd get comfortable and they'd be like, actually go darker, let's go heavier. But it is that like comfort. And I always found that like whenever a makeup artist would do my makeup on counter and anything, I'd be like, it's so pale. I want more bronzer. I want more colour. Like, I like to go maybe a shade darker than I should because I hate looking washed out.

25:05Yeah, I agree. Fun little challenge. If you could wear three makeup shades for the rest of your life, what would they be?

25:22Like a bronzy tone or like are we saying like a… Any tone. Yeah. would have, I'm trying to think, like a, I definitely probably on a lip, it would definitely be like a, a mauvey kind of undertone. Like I kind of do like a slight more berry depth. Like even my lip tattoo has that kind of berry depth. Yeah. Um, which then I guess you could cheek and other colors. Like I do like, you know, like, um, like that fake multiliner from olive. Yes. Got a bit of that on today. Do you use that on your lips? Yes, sometimes it's like the contrary kind of shade in my lip. It looks really pretty. And then like eyeliner.

26:07Yeah. And it would work well with your eyes too. I like wearing reds and things like that around my eye area, which I know some people would think that's scary, but for me I think it looks good. Yeah. That's such a hard question. Yeah, it is a hard question. That was probably a bit like divisive. What do you think? I probably feel the same. I would use warm, bronzy tones. Yeah. Probably more rose, like rosy, rosy, nudie colors. I like browns. Yeah, same. I think it's because it's safe and it works with everything. Yeah. You know, whereas I know some people, their signature is like a bold lip. Yes.

26:53And they'll wear like a red or a pink or, you know, like every day. I remember once, it was so funny, I, um, on, at Mac on counter and a lady came in and she was asking for a lipstick color. And you know, like sometimes people will tell you a lipstick and you might not necessarily know it off the top of your head because there's so many colors and everything you have to remember. And she was like, do you know what that is? And I was like, yes, I do. It's my grandmother's signature shade. And she was like early 20s. And I think she probably looked at me and was like, and I was like, my grandmother's really cool.

27:32So I would take that as a. That's so funny. What color was it? Bright pink? No, it was like a corally kind of color. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like I was like, oh, yeah, my grandmother wears that. And she was like, oh. That's funny. My mom, for about 15 years, wears the same lipstick. But she doesn't wear it anymore. I feel like I know. Pink Nouveau. Yes, Pink Nouveau. Yes. And it was so bright. And she would always just wear that one color. And now she's branched out a bit. Whereas my mom is definitely like syrup. Oh, yeah. Or twig. Yeah. And the colors that I wear as well. Deeper. Yeah. They suit you.

28:08Yeah. Those kind of mauvey deeper colors too. Yeah. Which is funny. And even then going back to colors like, you know, like we used to wear like Snob, St. Germain. My goodness. St. Germain, yes. Whereas I was more snob. But like I wouldn't ever think about picking that up and putting it on without putting something with depth on first. Absolutely not. Would you follow an influencer's recommendation blindly when it comes to like a color? Like if they were talking about a brand new product launch and they're like, it's kind of this color, would you just go and buy it? Or would you want to swipe it first to see what the swatch is?

28:52If I saw them apply it and it looked like a color that I would like, like a lip liner, I'm often swayed with a lip liner. And I also feel like you're not often paying too much for a lip liner, so it's not that much of an investment. I think with makeup because you're not spending too much I think I probably would foundations are different because that is more of an investment and I'm more particular about that I think there's more scope of it going wrong whereas I think like a colour product like we've said we'll kind of mix it or make it work and it's like what's the end of you know it's not the end of the world whereas other things you're like that hasn't worked yeah more variables um if we're looking at like our wardrobe yeah and seeing if our wardrobe doesn't then match like our coloring and maybe what we would wear on our skin and our makeup what is one color that you would never wear or is there a color that you always get complimented on when you wear it i for a very long time was notorious for always wearing black because every single job I've ever had has always had a black uniform.

30:13So I got to the point that I literally on my weekends, I was just wearing home black clothes and then work black clothes. I have branched out as I'm sitting here in a pink and burgundy brown jumper and green pants. Looks great. So I've definitely now, I'll mix it up. I think some colors, like anything that's a pale color if I don't have any tan on it's not good for me it washes me out it's not it's not good it's not good like no one wants to see that um but no I think I'm quite open to to trying things I think a bold color I quite like now yeah um so no I don't think there yeah Probably a pale colour that would wash me out.

31:04Are there colours that you love but you don't think actually suit you?

31:12At the moment, I love, like, burgundy. I love green. But they suit you. I loved, like, orange. Yeah. But it was probably when I had orange hair that was probably not the right time to be wearing said orange things. Yeah. But again, I think as long as I've got some makeup on and my hair done and a bit of tan, I think I can pull most colors off to an extent. Is there a color that you've seen on me that you're like, you probably shouldn't be wearing that? No. Great. No. I feel like you're a little bit of a – what are the animals, the lizards that change color? Chameleon. Chameleon. chameleon because I think you suit most colors well I am in that neutral yeah so I can go like even like foundation tones depending on what it is like a warm or a cool um sometimes it will obviously depending on if it oxidizes could could pull too warm or too cool but even when I worked at MAC I was either an NC or an NW I never kind of had my one shade depending yeah I feel like for you I don't know I think it might be just because you've got good style that you always look good in whatever color you put on I think if I wore like a um bright green or yellow um without a tan or makeup but that terrible but this is where I think like going back I'm really thinking specific yeah but that's where I'm like if we had that color theory and we had the white like like, pillowcase on and round us.

32:53Yeah. There was a lot of colors that I tend to wear that I think I would be like, absolutely not. Like, that looks horrible. Yeah. A color that I wear, and I often will get comments from, like, you or probably just you, is when I wear red. You suit red. And you will be like, that looks great on you. Yeah. And so I'm like, I trust your judgment. You do. So that's why I'm wearing it today. I like this red jumper on you. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. But it's funny. Like, I got a hand-me-down jumper and it was brown and it was that Earl's one. Yeah, it looks great on you. And I would have never purchased it.

33:35Yeah. Every single time I've worn it, I've had compliments. You even had comments on TikTok? Yeah. Yeah. And like, random, like, and it's not just from like one type of person. Like my grandmother complimented me, my mom, like random strangers, like, cause I've gone into a new job doing a bit of property management. And so I was at a house viewing the other day and a person viewing a house complimented me on my jumper. This is weird. Wow. Whereas I would have never purchased that jumper if I had seen it on a rack. Looks great. But I think that's where sometimes. Warm colors. Yeah. But I also think it goes similar to my hair color.

34:12Like it's that kind of not as harsh as black. so I'm kind of actually staring away from black a little bit more. I love that. But I did have a black jacket on the other day and my hair was like slicked back and I was like, it is a good look. There's something classic and just sharp. That last episode you had your black blazer on, I thought that looked really good. Yes, yes. Okay, if we're going back to colour analysis, do we think it is worth paying for? So a professional color analysis session consultation can be, I think Sheila paid or Rob got it as a present for her. And I think it was like$550,$500,$600.

34:58Which is a lot of money. It's a lot of money. But some people need it. They might need some guidance and feel stuck. And I also think as well, like if you think about it, if you were to pay a professional stylist or a professional makeup artist help, you know, someone to help you with color choices, that could easily set you back more than that when you're paying a lot of different people for advice. So potentially you've gone to one person and they've told you colors that work, colors that don't work, jewelry that you should look at, you know, the whole range. Then you might then go shopping and feel a little bit more confident to go, I'm going to grab that jumper to try on because I wouldn't normally wear it.

35:42But I've been told that this color suits me. And you're like, actually, that looks great. We then go into a makeup store and go, I'm going to try this color because I've been told that that could look good. So, I mean, I personally probably wouldn't pay to have one done, but I could see how it could really help people that are a bit unsure. Need a bit of guidance. Yeah. Or maybe a refresh. Do you think Sheila felt like when she walked away from it, she felt more confident and she kind of knew what she should and shouldn't wear or? I think she felt a bit confused. Yeah. and I think she has an idea already of what color suited her.

36:23Yeah. So maybe it didn't feel like it was completely worth it because of that. But it could be good for somebody who's maybe gone through a big change, like in their life, they might've had a baby, they might've, their body shape might've changed, or they just need something. So having that would, like you said, be worth it. Then you've also got, you know, apps. so chat gpt um which aren't always accurate you know you could do it one day it says you're a next day it says you're a deep autumn or whatever the word is yeah i also find it funny when like people have uploaded like say a picture being like show me what my hair looks like copper and blonde and this and that yeah and you notice that chat gpt will like kind of put a filter on your face Oh, yeah.

37:13So it'll make you look better than you initially did in that photo because it is that enhanced image. So sometimes it might be like copper and you're like, I look really good there. Would you follow it to the T and like get rid of all your clothes or makeup or change your hair color drastically just because someone told you? No. Yeah. I don't want somebody telling me what I can and can't wear. I think especially if like that clothing, like say this red jumper, right? Yeah. If you had brought it, you love it, it makes you feel good, it makes you think when you're looking at it, it's a good color for you, you've had compliments on it.

37:57And then you went to a color analysis and someone turned around and said, do not wear red. Yeah. Like you can wear a burgundy kind of red or you can wear like a pink. Yeah. A true red does not suit you. I don't want them putting that opinion into my head because I won't forget it. I won't forget that. And I think it also then like it plays into it in the sense that you're like, I don't suit this, I don't suit that. And you go shopping. And I even found like when I used to only buy pretty much black clothes, we'd go shopping and I'd be like, no, no, no, there's nothing here today. And you'd come out with like laden of clothes to take to the changing rooms because you were so open on what you wanted to try.

38:44And then you would try it on and go, oh, it doesn't quite work or the cash or versus like this color. Yeah, I think it kind of closes you off sometimes to try things. Yeah, I agree. So that takes us to the black clothing debate. Yes, I guess. Do you think black suits everybody?

39:12No. Yeah. But the reason is I think it does. I think everyone can wear black, but I do think certain tones like browns or navies or greys might be a bit more flattering. but then if you've got your hair and makeup done, I think it does suit everyone. It's that whole like – Yeah, if you have your hair and makeup done, it doesn't matter what you're wearing. Yeah, but it like enhances it. Yeah. I always – I agree. You can just look – when it's all done, it's complete. It's like when you try something on and you don't have makeup on, you look terrible. You get your hair done. If you get your hair done with no makeup on and you're feeling like a potato, Like cape up to your neck.

39:56And you're just like, this is terrible. And then your hair, with your hair, you're like, this is not. I just had a client who went darker this week. We'd been doing bright blonde. And she was like, I feel like going a bit darker. And so we went darker. And she was like, this is dark. I was like, girl, this is not dark. We've gone like. Touche darker. If that. Anyway, I was confident in what we did. but it would have felt different for her. But she was like, I've got to put some makeup on. I was like, you always feel better when you've got some makeup on. But even like lighting. Yeah. So say like in a hair salon, in a clothing store in a changing room, like certain changing rooms are so small and they've just got this single down light.

40:43Yeah, it's terrible. So it's all shadows. And then a mirror that makes you look. I look terrible. And I'm like, I don't get why they don't have that nice soft kind of lighting. Because I'd be buying way more things. The same like in a hair salon or like in a brow bar, a makeup store. The lighting is intense so you can see things. And I used to always say like when you're doing foundation swatches, I'd even say if someone was really unsure. Go outside. Go outside or go close to natural lighting or take a test to pot home. Because as soon as you use that in a different environment, you'll be like, actually, this really looks good.

41:17Or yeah, hair color, you might be like, oh, this is a bit not quite right. And sometimes it's not even the hair color, but it's like that hairdresser might have styled it in a slightly different way that you're not used to. Yeah, so true. And you're just a bit like, oh, what is going on here? Yeah, very true. Should we do some quick fire questions? Let's do it. Okay. Okay. Shall I start? I'll start. Okay. Would you rather wear the wrong hair color forever or wear the wrong lipstick forever? They're both terrible. I'm going to go lipstick. Yes. Because it doesn't say anything about lip liner. True.

41:56So I would probably play around with the lip liner. She's smart. Play around with the lip gloss. So then it would come around. And it doesn't say how much lipstick I need to be wearing. Yeah, that's true. So you could completely change something. But for me, the wrong hair color, it's a lot of hair to be hiding. Yeah, that's true. And also, like, what is a wrong hair color? Is this like a blue hair color or something crazy? I don't know. The only thing that I can think of is that if you had a bad lipstick color, like a ochre, like a pale ochre color that would make me look like a... I bought one.

42:35It's called Kingster from MAC. Oh, my God. I had this whole nude makeup range, and I brought it, and it is really an ochre-y color. Yeah. I haven't used it many times, but there is ways around it by adding other colors as your lip liner. Yeah, mixing. Yeah. Or you get the squirt lip balm plumping, and they're designed to color correct lipstick. You can actually use it. It'd be quite cool to use it as a paint, like for an acrylic painting. Yeah. You could do a lot of things with it. Even the Ochre Concealer from MAC, I sometimes use that as a eyeshadow base because it is a color corrector. Yeah.

43:18But yeah, you can use it on the lid. So it's kind of like just having a play. There you go. Yeah. Okay. Next question. What's worse, foundation too warm or foundation too cool? I would probably say a foundation too cool only because I prefer to be warmer. Yeah. And I wouldn't want to look either washed out or pinky. Yeah. I would probably prefer to be a bit more on the orange spectrum if I had to choose. I have to agree. I am fine with looking a little bit orange. I'm not fine with looking ill and dull and sickly. Yeah. Yeah. Or like gray. Like sometimes if someone wears a foundation that's too cool, it gives you that kind of like gray undertone.

44:21Excuse me. Okay, one beauty trend. I'm just going to have to cut that. Yeah, that's fine. um one beauty trend that's beautiful on others but not on you

44:40do you have an answer for that one no um no idea beauty trend i try most beauty trends yeah i mean i think um i guess recently my hair when we dyed it and it was a blonde tone and it was like too warm because we were slowly getting it to where it needed to be and it obviously takes time. I liked it as a colour. Yeah. But if I didn't have foundation on or tan, I think it really didn't suit me. Didn't have the contrast. My face looked red. It just wasn't very, I didn't love it on me. Yeah, fair enough. But it's not that I didn't like the colour. I just think was probably great on someone else, but for me it wasn't what I was comfortable with.

45:38Lastly, in our glossy hot seat, what is the most flattering color that you've ever worn? Oh, ever. Yeah. I think it depends on what my hair is doing. Yeah. What color it is. At the moment, I've been really liking browns and burgundies and those sorts of tones. I think it works well with being winter. So I'll go for that for now. What about you? I agree. Probably red. Yeah. I think it's very striking. I think it brings out your eyes, hair color. I think it suits you very well. Thank you. You know. Thank you. Well. Here we go. Yeah. So I guess give us some feedback. Tell us what season you think you are and whether you've actually changed your hair, makeup or wardrobe because of a color analysis.

46:33Or if you would actually have a color analysis if you're interested in it, DM us at Glossy Pod or comment on this week's episode. Thanks, guys. Thank you. See you later. Bye.