Epsiode 14 | Can we know TOO much about our health? Botox, Biohacking & Body Scans

0:03Welcome to Glossy, the podcast you didn't know you needed. We're your hosts, Jazz and Hannah, friends for over a decade, bonded over a love of beauty. Between us, we've done it all. Salons, makeup counters, film sets, fashion weeks. Hundreds of bottles of fake tan and way too many products we probably didn't need. Now we're spilling it all here. The trends, the treatments, the hot takes. And the beauty confessions you won't hear anywhere else. This is Glossy. Hi guys, welcome back to Glossy Podcast. We are on episode 14, and we have called this episode, Can You Know Too Much About Your Health?

0:46Which is a big question, probably. It's a bit scary, I think. Also probably a bit controversial. Yeah. Yeah. So a little while ago, we did an episode about peptides, which was actually one of our most listened to episodes, which I can't say I'm surprised. No, it's a very hot topic. Yeah, debatable topic at the moment, I would say. Definitely one of those buzzwords. And yeah, we kind of talked about how people are using them to biohack their bodies, which is another wee buzzword. But it kind of got us thinking that there is this kind of preventative mindset everywhere at the moment. I mean, one big one is like Botox, for example.

1:33So like Botox, we're getting it before wrinkles appear and, you know, that is preventative Botox. Or, you know, we're tracking every part of our health, whether that's through an app or like a watch or a ring. And we're checking our sleep and checking our heart rate and everything like that. And, you know, we're actually also even paying to scan our entire bodies if we are feeling unwell or even if we aren't, you know, feeling unwell. So, I mean, our question is, is taking our health into our own hands, is that empowering? Or can knowing too much actually do more harm than good? So today we're talking about everything from preventative Botox, full body MRIs, Taika Waititi's endorsement of wellness scans, which are now available here in New Zealand, and whether we would pay, I think it's almost$6 ,000 to have one ourselves.

2:34But first, Hannah, my question to you, would you say that you are proactive about your health or do you think that you avoid them until there is a problem? A hundred percent avoidant, I would say. I, yeah. Yeah. I feel like, I mean, some things definitely, but other things I would say I would rather not potentially know or just go through, you know, and be like, oh, I'm not feeling well, then, you know, go at it that way. But then I think it depends. And I think that's what it is. Yeah. And if there's like family history or different things like that, that might make you go, actually I think I need to get that chipped yeah or us like work for example we are very like let's just get on with it we'll work hard but then to the point where we get burnout or like very sick like I know you've had like I've got my asthma you get chest infections you know and that kind of thing but is that because we are pushing ourselves so far and we're not getting the help and we're like, oh, it'll be fine, it'll be fine.

3:38Yeah, I think it is. I only go to the doctors if I really need to go to the doctors. Otherwise, I'm like, no, sinus infection. I'm like, I get this and then this happens and then normally about this point, this is where that happens and then I'll be fine after that. And it's only when it's like, okay, this is not standard. Even when I got COVID. I got COVID in 2025, one of the episodes that we actually filmed. film and I don't think we ever posted because it was just bad because we could barely talk and then I gave jazz COVID but that was the first time I ever had it and I just thought I was like oh it's like a sinus infection yeah I'll be fine and then I started like losing my smell losing my taste and like it was horrible and also that was the first time that you had had COVID ever yeah I wonder if it was like a super super sprain that the rest of us were like we've had it before like Like our bodies can handle it.

4:34Yeah, we've got some immunity. You're like, no, I feel like I'm dying. Yeah. So, and even then, I didn't go to the doctor. Like I didn't, I mean, I don't know if they can really even do anything. No. You know, it's probably just prescribe. Like, you know, take this, take that, keep up your fluids. So, it has to be pretty serious for me to be like, I'm going to go to the doctor. Yeah. I'm going to ask for help. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair enough. What about you? I can understand that. I feel like I am pretty proactive with my health maybe because I've had a lot of health issues where I'm like I've been feeling like this so I will go but I mean it depends on what's going on to be honest Yeah if you've got time If I've got time or it depends what it's about but usually I'll kind of get a check or talk to the doctor about it I'm pretty, I feel like I am proactive with that.

5:29I guess as well, like say if you get sick, you've had pneumonia, however many, you know, like you get quite sick. So it is definitely better to be safe than sorry. Yeah. And I feel like actually with that, I have to be prepared. One example of that is yesterday I went for a run and I was like, I was going from Takapuna to Devonport. It was like 5K and Ryan had taken the girls to Devonport. So you're meeting him there. Yeah. Yeah. But I was like, this is going to be fine. Like I wasn't really worried about this run. I was like, this is going to be a fun run. I had a good playlist. Got out of the car and it was so windy and it was so cold.

6:08And I had had my inhaler before, but I was halfway on this run and I was like, I actually think that I'm about to have an asthma attack. This is how crazy it is. And then I kept stopping to like try and like, I don't know, regulate my breathing. Yeah. And then I was like, if I call Ryan, he'll be at the park, which will mean he'll have to get the girls into the car to then drive to me to like give me my inhaler. So I stopped in at a chemist because I was like, maybe the chemist can help me. And the lady there was like, I was like, I don't know if you can give me an inhaler without a script, but like you can see it on my NHI number or whatever.

6:49And she was like, yep. Did you get in New Zealand? I was like, yes. And so she found my information. She gave me the inhaler. And then. You're like, get it open. Yes. And she gave me some water and that was great. But the thing is in New Zealand, if it's underscript and you are a New Zealand citizen, it's covered. Yeah. And so I was assuming, and I never pay for my inhalers. So I was assuming that it was going to be like, I don't know,$5 or$10 charge or something like that. It was$70 for that one inhaler. And I was like, well, I need it. That's fine. But then I had to go to Chemist Warehouse after that to get my other medication.

7:30I was like, do I have any scripts left on the inhalers? He's like, yep, you have heaps. And he literally gave me three. He gave me three inhalers. And I was like, this is crazy. But anyway, there you go. That's my story. I guess that's just lucky being in New Zealand that with our healthcare system, a lot of things are covered. Yeah. And it might be that, say, if you've got a script, you might be paying, depending on where you go, a$5 fee or you go somewhere like a chemist's warehouse and it's free. Yeah. So we are quite lucky that you don't necessarily have to have health insurance to be able to access to certain things, whereas there's other parts in the world that, you know.

8:12If you don't have health insurance, you're paying for that. And everything, you know, and that's also ACC in New Zealand. with accidents like we're so lucky um so it is very you know you're like maybe that's why also yeah I might be a bit complacent with certain things because I'm like oh well you know we're quite lucky in a lot of ways and whereas maybe if we don't have that you'd be like well yeah let's start getting a bit proactive yeah I agree so are we biohacking too far you know like should we be blissfully ignorant like me or should we actually you know be a bit more proactive now before we potentially need to be it's an interesting thought I think yes but to a point and like biohacking when we say that I guess that's just like we're using this buzzword but could biohacking mean taking your supplements or yeah taking things that help with iron so you don't have that iron deficiency or is it the flu shot in winter exactly you know like I personally have only ever had the flu shot once and I've never had it again because I don't get the flu you know like I get colds and sinus infections yeah so for me I'm like that's not I'm still going to get those sicknesses whereas certain people if they're more prone to it I'm like yeah you should be getting that but and I guess there is a cost involved usually for the flu shot me personally having asthma it's covered so I'm like might as well yeah but I know obviously people feel strongly about vaccinations or no vaccinations for things I mean flu is probably lower on the scale it's been tested a lot they're like yeah there's you know the research behind it and I guess that also plays into a lot of these things is that research element which we did talk about with peptides yeah and that's why in New Zealand a lot of them aren't here because they still don't know what they do or if they've been tested and like you know that's why a lot of it is that kind of like black gray market area where people are having to kind of get it without potentially knowing the side effects.

10:31Yeah. Which is scary. And I guess that's the thing, how much are people willing to push themselves with the potential? Well, that's the thing. It is potential, isn't it? It's not like set that this is going to do this to you. And I guess that's also where does putting the word preventative automatically make it sound more responsible? Is it justifying? Yeah. Yeah. Which definitely for Botox. That sold me when I was younger. I was like, yes. This is preventative. I'm going to save so much money down the line because I'm getting my Botox now before I need it. Whereas I'm like, is that all just like a gimmick?

11:15Yeah. Well, actually, if you think about it, being in our 30s now, possibly, if we hadn't have done anything or ever looked after our skin in the last, I don't know, 14 years yeah would would our skin look different yeah well it's even don't you think I don't know if you've seen on um social media I keep getting seeing these things and it's either it's um like actors or actresses you know in the 80s or 90s and it's this character played a 30 year old mum and then it shows what a 30 year old looks like now and it's that whole beauty standard or you know the 30 year old now looks like they could be probably 20 or and even me like I'm 33 and um my partner's a couple years younger than me and one of the guys at his work I only just met him recently and Glenn was like oh yeah he thinks you're um my age and he thinks I'm 27 and I'm like great I love it I will take that I'm a big fan of you but it is that kind of thing like and I even see like you know teenage girls or early 20s girls I'm like how old are they like are they kind of closer to our age or are they younger or you know you just don't know it's hard to know you know it's even like Kim Kardashian all the Kardashians are sort of one of them like they're all in their 40s now yeah and they look incredible yeah and they're obviously you know there's a few things that they're doing to make them look so great yeah look a certain way yeah well there you go it's preventative isn't it so a fact here we go okay prevention reduces the chance of something developing screening looks for something before symptoms appear and optimization tries to improve the body beyond treating illness these ideas are often blurred together under biohacking okay so So talking a little bit more about Botox, because I think that is something that people often feel strongly for or against.

13:25So keeping this preventative mindset that we have in beauty, we are usually encouraged, like we've said, to treat wrinkles before they appear. So my question for you is, when did you start using Botox? and when and did you already have visible lines? I started, I think I was probably 22, and I had absolutely no visible lines, and it was a very, very baby dose. Looking back to, I think it was less than 10 units in my forehead and frown, which is like sprinkled over them. so yeah it was very baby I was getting it probably maybe every six months to a year which Botox or any anti-wrinkle is recommended about three to four months is the time period you kind of get out of it so me going six months to a year in between having it done like when I was going at a year point there was none in my face so it definitely I wasn't getting it because I was like, oh my gosh, it needs to freeze because there was nothing really to freeze.

14:41Nothing to freeze. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do you think that, do you think that we should wait until something bothers us or do you think it is helpful to start that process by doing that baby Botox or? I think it depends on everyone's face. Yeah. Everyone's faces are very different. Everyone's muscles are very different. You know, if you have a really strong frown, they call them like the 11s that you kind of see in between your eyebrows. That's where that can be really great at sort of softening or you feel like you've got a heavy brow and you might do a tiny bit of a brow lift. or I found for me one of the reasons I really liked it is because we're, you know, being in that kind of beauty industry, I was talking to people, especially when I was doing eyebrows and I was often moving my eyebrows and like making faces at people when I was talking about, you know, to show them, you know, when you're looking like this, all of a sudden your brow will slightly spock on one side because it's got the muscles stronger there.

15:40So I was kind of moving my face, talking to them about their face. And I was like, I'm moving my face a lot. So that was one of the reasons I was like I just want to not move it as much so that I don't then create wrinkles from talking to someone yeah I've um got a friend who hasn't had Botox before and she is in her late 30s and she was telling me recently that she was out for dinner with some of her friends and she kept looking at her friend she was like you look amazing like what have you done she like I couldn't stop looking at her. She's like, I can't, I don't know what it is, but she's like, what have you done differently?

16:17And her friend was like, I got Botox. And my friend is like, she's torn between this wanting to feel and look like that, but she doesn't feel 100 % comfortable with getting Botox done. And she likes to go more on the natural side with things and really look at what she's putting in her body. And I'm like, that is a really hard, I don't know, topic. Place to be. Yeah, place to be. I guess for me with anti-wrinkle, it is so well researched. And even though now it's kind of more recently, it's more acceptable, especially in New Zealand. I would say the last five to 10 years, maybe definitely after COVID when everyone was staring at themselves on Zoom.

17:06and noticing things that they might have not noticed before, it has become much more popular, much more acceptable. But also people are realizing that it's not changing the way you look. You know, you're not getting a couple of units and all of a sudden it's going to look like you've had a facelift, which once people, I guess, try and accept that side, they'll be like, oh, actually, it's not as scary. But it's also been used in so many medical fields prior to it being for anti-wrinkle purposes. So I think when you think of it that way and go, actually, it can be, you know, there's areas of stop sweating, people that have different like strokes or movements in their face, it can be used for migraines.

17:49So it's kind of when I start thinking of those purposes for it, I'm like, actually, this is a very well tested medicine. I don't feel uncomfortable with having that in my body versus something else that might be a little bit more newer. Yeah, I agree. And also like that, I mean, keeping in mind we're not medical professionals. No. It's just our opinion. Yes. And obviously things happen, you know, and you are injecting into your face. There are a lot of nerves. There's a lot going on. So things can happen and that is a risk, but it's like with anything really, isn't it? And that, I mean, is also a thing with New Zealand is that we're lucky here because to be able to treat, you have to be a nurse or a doctor.

18:37You know, whereas overseas, I know in the UK, anyone can go and do a course and can inject. So I think that also is very scary. Whereas I'm like, okay, I know if you're getting it done here, whoever is doing it is a trained professional. So yes, there's always risks like anything. Yeah. But those risks, I guess, are mitigated by knowing that it's a trusted professional doing the treatment. Yeah. I've got a wee fact. So Botox reduces the muscle movement that creates the expression lines. And the theory is that less repeated creasing, so this is that preventative topic that we're talking about, the less repeated creasing may delay lines becoming permanent.

19:26But then there isn't a strong, there isn't strong long-term evidence proving that starting in your 20s gives better results decades later. and it also can't prevent other causes of aging, which is sun damage, collagen loss, and genetics, which are all things that, you know, they kind of all go hand in hand. You need to be using SPF as well. And getting treatments. That's where like Profilos become so popular. And then also like dermal needling, microneedling, whatever you want to call it, has also been really popular as well. So there is that kind of need to kind of be doing a mixture of things.

20:06But I also think genetics are so important with all of this. You know, it always comes down to your personal genetics and how you're going to age and what might be good for you or what might not be good for you. So Botox attempts to prevent something visible, but now the same thinking is moving inside the body. So with preventative testing, it can detect an illness before symptoms appear. Why wouldn't we? And I guess that's where, have you watched Earl Meets World? Do you follow Alex Earl? No, but I've had quite a few people talk about it. Is it a documentary? No, they've got their own show. Oh.

20:44So her and her family have got their own show. But her mum had breast cancer. And so Alex and her sister Ashton have recently, and they show it on the show, were tested to see if they had the BRCA gene, which they both have BRCA2. So that's kind of, I guess, one of the things that, you know, you can get preventative testing to then see, okay, are you going to potentially develop cancer, you know, or what can we do to, you know. And I've had someone that has had, in her 20s that I used to work with, and her mom died of cancer, and she's had a double mastectomy as a preventative action. Because she had the gene.

21:33Yeah. So it is, like, I mean, I think that's where I was saying earlier, you know, depending on what family history is, I would definitely be much more like, yeah, I'm going to get tested for that. Because there is a higher chance. Yeah. I actually know somebody as well. Same situation. Her mum passed away from breast cancer, cervical cancer. I think it was breast cancer. And her sister got tested for the BRCA gene. Yeah. And she didn't want to be tested because she didn't want to know. So it is personal preference. I'm literally One Tree Hill. I'm re-watching it at the moment. I've never watched One Tree Hill.

22:11I've only gotten through certain bits and I stopped for whatever reason, but I'm re-watching it. And there's a similar situation in that with a heart condition. And two out of the three family members who all potentially could have this get tested and one doesn't want to get tested. So it is that kind of thing. It's like, would you rather no? And his excuse was, I don't want to live my life walking on eggshells and fear that something could happen. Where it's like, well, actually, if you do get tested, you could take this medicine. and you could live your life pretty normal. So, yeah. Food for thought, isn't it?

22:49Screening, though, definitely saves lives when research shows that testing a particular group at a particular age or risk level improves outcome. That's why established screening programs don't simply test everybody for everything. Okay, and I think, which takes us to our next topic, the creme de la creme of that testing and the ultimate version of that idea is the full-body MRI tests that you can now do. So have you ever had an MRI? No. Well, I have. And it was quite scary. My dad had one last week. Did he? Yeah. Is he okay? Is that another topic? What's happening with Scott? Oh, well, they're off on Tuesday to run the Berlin Marathon.

23:45Oh, my gosh. One of my clients is as well. They go all together, the crazy people. They would actually get a lot of it, I think. But he's got, you know, both of my parents are obviously quite fit. They exercise a lot, lots of training. Mom's got something going on with her back, and they found that she had like a fracture in her spine. Are you serious? Yeah, and that no one ever picked up on it. But my dad, it's something to do with his like rotator cuff. and something else. So trying to get that fixed. And I was like, you guys don't have to, like, you know, I'm like, if you're not feeling it, like.

24:19Also, the Berlin is the actual marathon. Yes. Isn't it? It's one of the, so they're running, they're trying to do all of the, they did Tokyo earlier in the year and they've done a few others. They're running New York in beginning of November as well. But, I mean, back to the topic. Yeah, back to the topic. Sorry. We're going to run out of time. shout out go karen and scott i know you both listen yes we're very proud of you even if you're crazy for running it we're thinking of you guys yeah i admire this actually i mean you would you've already done you've done a half i've done a half and almost died yeah i don't think i think the longest i've run was probably maybe a six or like actually no i walked around the thing for thing what's it called oh the the what is it the waterfront thing yeah yeah no i'm not i'm not built to be a runner.

25:09Running is hard. Yeah. So, yes, I haven't had an MRI before. When I was mugged, which is another story, Hannah knows all about it, and I broke my nose and I was getting severe migraines and it turns out that my maxillary sinuses, which are like on your cheeks, were filled with fluid from the break and then I had to have surgery from that. But, yeah. There you go. But this is not just a head MRI. No. This is a full body MRI and you don't have to have a referral for it. You can literally just pay for it. So that comes to my next question. Would you do it? I mean, I think if I had the money for it, because like you said earlier, you said it's about$6 ,000.

25:57About$6 ,000, I think. Yeah. So at this current point in time, I don't have that amount that I'd be like, yeah, I'm going to get a full body scan. Me too. But I think if you have, and I guess that's a lot of this sort of stuff, if you have the means for it and you might be like, I think I need to a bit more than just going to the doctors or having a, like Maddie, one of her jobs, they used to do a yearly wellness check with the doctor. And that's how she found out she had arthritis in her back was from this and the company pay for this. And I'm like, that's incredible. Yeah. but I mean yeah if I had the funds yeah I mean me too and and also I guess it's like six thousand dollars but could you find out that you had something going on in your body or is it better to know later on like an example that I saw in an article that I read about this from a medical professional and she was like they can definitely be helpful yes but they can also be unhelpful in ways like there was a man who had had it done and he had gallstones in his gallbladder but he he was having no or maybe it was kidney stones one of them and he was having no issues with that and she was like he wanted to have surgery and get them out or whatever the procedure was and she was like in this case sometimes it's helpful just to let them pass on their own rather than going in for some sort of invasive procedure.

27:35So it's like that is thinking, you know, if there is something seen there but it is potentially actually okay. Yeah, like very low risk. And if it was to develop, that's where you could then. But I guess that's that whole preventative that was like get them gone. Exactly. And I guess if someone has more of those kind of like a bit more of like a hypochondriac sort of situation, it could actually make things worse. Exactly. And I guess it's like anything. You take your car in for a service every year and it might be like, yes, it's fine, but watch out for this, this, this. In a way, it's like, you know, humans are going in for this service and you'd be like, oh, you might need to replace this at some point or watch out for this.

28:20And potentially that's all you're then thinking about. Yeah, or even like an injury, like your muscles, something looks out of place or like something looks strange. Then are you going to not use that muscle? Yeah, or are you then going down that route of, I need to go to the chiropractor, I need to go to the physio, I need to do this. But then, I mean, what happens if, say, MRIs, you go in for these full body MRIs and you get a clean bill of health. Imagine if you could go to your insurance company and go like for health insurance and go, well, I've got these results. Can I get a discount? Because I shouldn't be getting any of these things.

28:56It's actually a great thought. Imagine if they work together and you've got like a, you know. Yeah, some sort of wellness. Wellness discount, get the MRI, clean bill of health. I don't need to be covered for any of those things. But then what if they did find something in your health insurance? Premium. Yep, they're going up. I mean, it's the whole thing with everything. It's like you've just got to, I guess, if you do or you don't. So for anyone who doesn't know what an MRI actually does, this is a wee fact for you. So MRIs use magnetic fields and radio waves rather than ionizing radiation. So a full body scan combines the images from several parts of the body, but it isn't one standardized test and it doesn't replace every other type of health screening.

29:48So whether that's ultrasound or CT. Yeah.

29:54So this once felt like an overseas celebrity trend. I definitely remember seeing there was a period of time in the UK, lots of influencers were all going to this one place there and getting their full body testing, scans, MRIs. But it is now available in New Zealand and being promoted by Taika. so does celebrity endorsement make a medical service feel more legitimate is this an area we're going to be influenced on i mean that's what influencing is yeah you're building a relationship with an audience people feel like they know you or they trust you because they've seen what you post online and as soon as you're saying i'm endorsing this you're like well i feel like I know that person so I'm going to trust what they say that's why influencers and people of influence um actors whoever people in the public eye need to be careful about what they are promoting and who they align with exactly yeah um yeah I mean that I guess is the whole thing like I know some influencers get called out because it looks like they're over you know too many relationships, whereas there's others that might do it very well and you don't even know that it's an ad or a paid partnership.

31:14And those are the ones that are very clever that I guess more people are inclined to. I guess this being like, you know, nearly$6 ,000, they're obviously targeting it at a certain group of people who can afford it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you know the influencer slash businesswoman? Sorry, she's not just an influencer. Tasha Oakley. Yes. So she has Monday swimwear. Yes. Or just Monday with Devon. Yes. I followed them years ago and she's just kind of come back up on my Instagram and I really like her style and I think she's really cool. I've seen her in like some little videos. but I saw something last year about she had had the scan done I think she had it done in Sydney which is I'm pretty sure where she lives and they found that she had some sort of maybe pre-cancerous lump or something happened and she had it taken out and and I'm like obviously I think her husband is in finance and she has the means to be able to do that which I'm also like each to their own.

32:27Everybody can pay for whatever they want with their own money. And I also think that too, if someone's been gifted something, like they've obviously worked to be at a position to be offered these things from these companies. So I find it sometimes when people are like, oh no, I don't trust them anymore or they're being too, I'm like, they're doing very well. Like that is what they're putting their time and effort into. So if they're getting gifted that, I mean, if I got gifted, I'd be like, yeah, 100%. So I think, you know, it'll be interesting though, like say with Taika, like I don't know too much about him apart from his, you know, directing side.

33:09But I do know like his wife, Rita Ora, she's very into her health and fitness and exercise. And we sometimes see her, which, and that's where, because I don't really follow him. I don't sort of see that side to him. But obviously that must align well with his audience and he's quite an international person. So it kind of also helps. I think also with Taika, from what little I know about him, I mean, he's in friends of ours are friends with him. And Ryan, his ad that he, Ryan knew him a little bit from Wellington and Ryan did his Lays ad this year with him. I feel like he wouldn't endorse something that he didn't believe in it And I feel like he's the type of guy, literally from what I've heard Don't know him personally That would just, if he really felt strongly about something Then he would talk about it So I kind of feel like in this situation It's just something that he feels strongly about Which would make sense because he doesn't need it He doesn't need to do something with an emerald You know, like it's not like he does so many projects that it's not like he's out there trying to find relevance or get some money for something.

34:23So that in my mind would track that he's doing it because he believes in it versus he just needs a payday. Financially. Because I don't think he does. Yeah. At all. Yeah. So he is featured in the Auckland Astro Radiology discussing preventative wellness scans. One published option through Novactor Medical costs$5 ,855 for an assessment including a multi-organ MRI with its larger package costing$7 ,655. Whew. Yeah. That's a lot of money. That is. But also, I'm just like, your health? Yeah. I mean, I'm also talking like I have that available. But I guess when you think about, you know, like someone might spend that to go on holiday, you know, like, and that's where is your health more of a priority than jetting off somewhere on a couple of day or a week holiday somewhere.

35:25And I guess that's where everyone's priorities are very different. I guess if money wasn't an issue, it kind of sounds hard to argue against, I think. Yeah, I'd agree. Yeah. I guess the concern isn't necessarily a scan. It's like, what if it finds something? Yeah. You know, can we cope with being told that something needs to be monitored or would we immediately Google it? Or because we're paying ourselves for that scan and something is found, then you're having to like, I don't know. I don't know how it would work with them, but are you then having to find a specialist? Yeah, or would they refer you?

36:06Yes, and then are you doing that privately? If you have health insurance or can you do it publicly? You know, I just feel like it opens a can of worms, to be honest. And, yeah, is peace of mind still peace of mind if it leads to years of following up on that? Yeah, because also the other thought is like, okay, you get the scan. Say we both got the scan now. Are we going to have to get it in a year's time? I would assume so. So, and is it that if you're getting like yearly checkup scans, do you have like the big one? Yeah. And then they go, cool, everything was fine. We just need to do like some sort of mini checks and you don't need to have the big scan for five, you know, like how does.

36:48It opens a can of rooms. I'm sure there's a whole like process. And also for me, if I'm getting done, Ryan's getting it done. Yeah. And then I'm like feeling guilty because I'm like Saatchi Nardin. But then you'd be like, Ryan and I are both fine. Yeah. The kids are okay for a bit. Yeah. You know, like. Yeah. I guess, yeah, I guess with scans often, you know, they'll find cysts and nodules and other abnormalities. Yeah, I've had a few of those. Yeah. And they, you know, may never cause harm. And these incidental findings, which I was kind of talking about before, can lead to further scans or biopsies.

37:26And that is more money and anxiety as well. So a false positive initially can appear concerning, but then, you know, it might turn out to not be a disease or overdiagnosis then means that finding a real abnormality that would never have caused symptoms or shortening someone's life. I mean, I just, I think it's an interesting topic. and there's a lot of we don't know yeah and you also I guess don't know how you would personally feel until you're in that situation yeah you know you could be like oh I think I'll be okay but then all of a sudden when you get presented with the findings you might be like no I'm not so okay and I need to do this and I need to do that and it could potentially yeah mental health often it's like um I had a colonoscopy three uh now four years ago and it found pre-cancerous polyps which meant then I had to get one another one a year later I mean in this sense this is good yeah that I had it done but then I had to get on a year later and anyone who's had a colonoscopy it's awful and then I had to get another one I think it was two years later because then it was clear and the one that I had last year was like clear so I don't have to get it for another three years but I was like you have to be open to then be doing that yeah and if you don't what's the point yeah and then it's also weighing on your mind yeah exactly a scam may be capable of finding something but the bigger question is whether finding it actually improves your health which I think is what we're kind of all going back to that big topic yeah yeah would we have one if our GP advised against it?

39:17I mean, I would question why the GP would advise against it. Is it mainly financially and they think that it's not worth it? I mean, probably. Because it might even just be, you know, they go, I know your family health. I know that the chances of something coming up, it's probably not worth it for you. And also probably doctors are overworked, underpaid. They're probably like, you know, it would be so different being a GP now than it was 30 years ago when we didn't really have Google. We didn't have, you know, people being able to self-diagnose things. I mean, of course, they didn't have the technology back then that they do have now.

40:04But they've probably got so many people being like, I think I have this. Yeah. I need to be like pushed here. I need to do this. I need to do that. But then, of course, you hear so many stories about, you know, people slipping through the cracks and that kind of thing. Actually, I talked about a little bit on my TikTok the other day, that doctor's appointment that I had, which was actually awful. And I ended it in tears and I called the reception and I was like, I need to see a little bit of backstory. I needed to do a change of medication with my ADHD medication when I wanted to. My doctor was away, so I saw I was on a phone call with another doctor who I didn't realize didn't specialize in ADHD.

40:50And he said that, and it just didn't go well. I hung up the phone, called the reception, said, I need to see, and I was like in tears. I was really upset and just worked up. I was like, I need to actually see somebody who specializes in it. She's like, I'm really sorry that you had that. Like, explain what happened. She said, I'm really sorry that you had that experience, blah, blah. I was like, it's all good. Thank you for being so understanding. She was really nice. She was like, is there anything that I can help you with? Like, are you okay? I was like, I'm all good. Like, it's fine. I've got the appointment next week.

41:19Great. And then I was in an appointment and I came out of the appointment and I had three missed calls from my doctors. And I was like, that's weird. That's stressful. It was stressful. And then I was going to call them back and they called me back again. And I had a note being like, can you please call the nurse? Yes. And I like picked up the phone. They're like, hi, Jasmine, this is blah, blah, blah. And I was like, hi. And she was like, I'm just checking that you're okay after your appointment this morning. And I was like, that's interesting that they thought and were concerned with the way that that had gone.

41:58because I'm like, obviously, if I've said my medication was giving me anxiety and I was not feeling good with that medication and then I left in tears, they were probably like, well-being, we need to follow up on it. But it is like I've had a few instances at doctors and at the dentist once where I was like, this is this, and it wasn't the best interaction or one was like the dentist when I had my wisdom teeth out. and they're like, no, you're fine. Like you just need to use Savakol. And then a few days later, my whole face was swollen. I had an infection. But it's sometimes like you know how you're feeling and that's where they literally overworked, might have 15 minutes, don't know your back history.

42:43And they're like, you're fine. Or this is this. Or don't worry about it. Or, you know, and then that can also cause a lot of stress going back into those situations because you're like, I don't trust them anymore. Yeah, exactly. Very scary. The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Radiologists don't recommend whole body MRI screening for healthy, low risk people. There isn't currently enough evidence that it prolongs life and it can lead to unnecessary follow-ups, which is kind of what, you know, we were wondering with it. And it's like, is it worth it for everyone? But I find that interesting because if they say there isn't currently enough evidence that it prolongs life, I'm like, well, how?

43:30Because how is there not enough? Well, yes, it doesn't prolong life. No. Of course it doesn't because it's a scan. But I guess it goes back to like that example you said about the guy who had like the gallstones or the kidney stones or something. Yeah. It potentially is creating more work or more panic over something that might just pass through and not be an issue. Mm-hmm. That's interesting. A clear scan also can't guarantee that you're disease-free or replace recommended cervical, breast, and bowel screening. So that's where I guess those screenings are beneficial, have been tested, and are proven.

44:12Whereas at this stage, a full-body MRI might not be necessary for everyone. And who's to say in 10 years it might be funded? It also might be the way, like, you literally walk in, go through a full scan, and then the doctor goes, yep, this is this, this is that, off you go. Like, I mean, who knows? Like, technology's incredible. I know. That we don't know where we're going to be in 5, 10, 15, 20 years. Like, your girls, when they go to the doctors one day. It's going to be different. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess, yeah, with the MRIs, despite that, I feel like the idea is still appealing because this biohacking thought offers some traditional health.

44:57It offers something that traditional healthcare, like going to the doctor, doesn't always give us a feeling of control. Yeah. I guess that's what it is. It's taking control of ourself and our body when you've lost trust in medical professionals, which is another thought. But it's also if you've got 15 minutes to go to the doctors and they only really have enough time for one thing. Like you're going to have to book him multiple appointments if you're wanting to have everything talked about and tested. That one appointment, the whole body, off you go. Well, that was like my issue on Friday. This guy was like, well, I don't know you.

45:41And I was like, don't you have my information there? Why is this appointment here? I was like, well, why, what? I'm like, then I was like stressed because I was like, do you not have any of my information there? Do you not have my history or like what medication I'm on? And he was like, he was like, excuse me. My thing was about, it was giving me anxiety. And he was like, well, do you think you're just like anxious about something? And I was like, I can tell an hour after I've taken this medication that it gives me anxiety. And he was like, well, you know, blah, blah. And he's talking about this.

46:16And I was like, this is not helpful. And then I stressed. I was like, we're 10 minutes in. I've got five minutes left and I'm not getting anywhere with this guy. We're going in circles. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's do a quick fire. Perfect. Preventative Botox? Yeah, go on. I'm still team Botox. Yeah, I think so. are peptides i'm gonna still say no which i was the same after our peptide it was more i think there needs to be more research so it's not a like never ever but for now actually and i might point out let's say um black gray market peptides so peptides that are not definitely not um hormone testing without symptoms I feel like hormones are such a hard one I think so because sometimes you might be lethargic or you might be feeling this or that and it could be an imbalance of hormones Yes, definitely Genetic testing?

47:18I think if there was reasoning for it Family member Family member, 100 % I agree Health trackers? I mean, like I've got a ring on currently and I also have an Apple Watch. So, yes, I'm a big fan of a health tracker. I like the idea of a health tracker, but I'm also like, I don't know. I don't want something telling me if I've had a bad sleep or not. I know I've had a bad sleep. Yes, I agree. Yeah. Okay. Full body MRI. For now, for the cost, I'm going to say no. But I think if you've got the money, go for it. Do it. And on that topic, if you did have the money, am I every year? I probably would get it done once.

48:06And if it was okay, I'd probably be like, I'm done now. What about you? Fair enough. If I had the money and like lots of money you'd have to have, probably. What happens if it was great the first time? Would you go back the next year? I'd probably go back like three years or something like that. would money or family history change the answer well that was like part of definitely for me if you had the money and if I had family history yeah 100 % yeah absolutely so final question final thought yeah are we becoming healthier or simply better monitored I think better monitored and probably healthier I think with social media people are looking at recipes or workout routines are more accessible.

48:53You could go on YouTube and get a workout routine, whereas previously you'd have to see a trainer. Yeah. And that's not saying that there's not a place for a trainer because I think a trainer is super helpful. But if you don't have the means for that or you're on a budget, there are options. I also think there is more research, more testing, more knowledge available as well that, you know, like little things like cigarettes. You know, like we know cigarettes are bad. We know it causes a large amount of different things, but, you know, 50 years ago, people smoked while pregnant and it wasn't so much of that kind of common knowledge.

49:31I guess that's where, you know, things like vapes going down the track, we still don't know what they cause, but that's where I think people are becoming healthier because they're becoming more knowledgeable. There's more of that accessibility. Yeah, I agree. Taking control of our health can be empowering, but more treatments, testing, and information doesn't automatically make us healthier. The real question is whether knowing something will lead to a genuinely better outcome. And we're, I guess, still unsure with a lot of these things. We're just living life. That's why we just like to have a bit of a chat, voice a few opinions.

50:07Food for thoughts. Yeah, but also hear what you think as well. Exactly. Let us know, have you done a full body MRI before? Or if you had the means financially, would you? Or if you had any other thoughts on this topic, let us know. We would love to hear. Yeah. Thanks so much for listening. See you later. Bye. Bye.