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2:09Hello, everyone. My name is Jamie Lang, and this is Great Company.

2:17Well, I'm very excited today. Hello. Hello. Don't forget that bit. I will never forget that. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to our lovely podcast. This is Jemima. And this is Jamie. Jemima is the producer. I am the host of the show. And we have a really exciting episode for you today. I say that every week. You do say that. Jamie gets excited about every, like genuinely, every single episode. Every single episode. You know, people always ask me, what's he really like? I'm like, exactly. What it says on the tin. What it says on the tin. When Jamie says he's excited for every guest, he genuinely is.

2:48Yeah, yeah. What you think I'm like is exactly what I am. A little bit overexcited at times. A little bit impatient at times. a little bit too energetic at times kind of all over the place but also every week just renewed like oh my gosh I'm so excited for this one but genuinely I am so excited for today's guest me too because it is the one and only it's H H is a rapper he's a performer he's quite big on social media he's had lots of different hits he's fascinating yeah and he's got a new album coming out as well 4 and he's got a new album coming out 4 so he's coming on today to chat about Thor, to chat about his life.

3:29Really interesting with H as well, he likes to talk a lot about his family. Yeah. And what I love about that is when you ask someone about their family, you see their eyes light up. Yeah. And I feel like today H is going to be like that. Yeah, absolutely. He's also from Manchester. He is from Manchester. With a very thick accent. Very thick accent. Which is quite like, I feel like you can always tell. Do you know what, this morning I was listening to the radio and he has a song out at the moment. with AJ Tracy and immediately I was like oh this is H because of that thick Mancunian accent you can hear it so you're saying if I was a rapper you'd be able to tell that it was me for my accent potentially because I don't think there's too many rappers with your accent West London southern accent yeah thick Chelsea although you say us weirdly I do say us which I think is an Oxford thing I think we think it's an Oxford thing yeah okay this episode is going to be amazing for lots of different reasons so buckle up for this If you haven't subscribed already to our show, please do.

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4:53I remember when I was younger, I had this weird habit of hiding things in cupboards. It's weird. And I actually did this twice. Once, I had a Spider-Man outfit once, and my brother had a Batman outfit. And we were playing hide-and-seek in the house, and I went around the corner, and he jumped out and went, Batman! Scared me so much, I shat myself. So then I went and hid that in a cupboard, because I was so embarrassed about it. and the same thing happened when I drank for like when I was young and I drank for like I don't know what time and I threw up in the bed and I was so embarrassed I hid it and hid it in my friend's cupboard oh my god and a week later his mum found it yeah that's that's bad something embarrassing about that I've ever done that one where what this has all gone left this podcast I know I've ever done I've ever done that one where you're vomiting yeah and you're shitting yourself and you don't know whether to put your head in the toilet or your ass in the toilet and either way someone's gonna go on the floor I have definitely been a victim of that bro and I was just 360 shitting and sicking everywhere because I didn't know where to put my head that was a bad one

6:05my favourite things you say when you say fluffy fluffy yeah fucking hell do you know what I feel like I feel like no one ever mimicked the mank accent until I came about. That's what I genuinely feel like, that from the bottom of my heart. So I've ruined it all for us all, haven't I? Talk to me about growing up. What was it like? It was mega. It was just like a proper stereotypical North Manchester upbringing, isn't it? We was outside. I was on my pedal bike 17 hours a day all over the place. You know, you get them little calls at about nine o 'clock. Harrison, you better come in here, come in this house now.

6:52You know what I mean? All that stuff. It was good, man. It was amazing. You'd go get on your bike, you'd go get lost on the other side of Manchester, find your way home. All that stuff, you know what I mean? Those adventures, man. Yeah, adventures and that and just like being buzzing when you say I've got£2.50, he's got£2.50, but our kids come out with a five, oh, we're nice today. Do you know what I mean? Just little things like that. Things have also changed now. Like, you don't really see kids. When I go to my area now, I don't see, like, big groups or gangs of kids like stood outside the shop, like, back in the day for some reason.

7:28I feel like it's very more enclosed now. Or, like, for example, like, my little sister, she's 15 now. She doesn't go out or do half the things that I used to do. And that's not because, like, I've been keeping her in an headlock or anything like that. It's just, like... It's different. It's different. Do you think that makes it, does that make it better or worse? Truthfully, even though, even though, even though you were experiencing things at a young age, but we were having adventures. We were having adventures and it was like, you actually learn people skills and stuff like that. And like how to, I don't know, just how to deal with people and just be around certain things.

8:09And also just being aware, like I feel like kids now, not every kid obviously, but certain kids now, like. we would say when we was kids it's part and parcel to go and stop at the pavement look left look right and then cross the road innit like if a kid has grew up now gets dropped off at the school gate every day comes back home and doesn't go outside they're going to be this sounds so stupid they're going to be locked in on the phone while they're in the car so they can't even they're not even looking outside I know this sounds so stupid to say but it's real they're just going to be running across the road left right and centre not even knowing what's going on it's so funny you say that because I was I was thinking back when I was younger the other day this is so weird I was thinking about that saying stop, look, listen, live do you remember that?

8:51exactly when we used to cross the road that's what we were taught in school you have to stop, look, listen, live I don't think kids are taught about that anymore because they're in their phone they're dropped out of school they're just sort of exactly and also and even when we did get taught that at the time we did get taught that we probably sat there going I know I'm not fucking stupid I crossed the road 10 times today do you get what I mean? whereas now if a kid heard that they'd be like oh okay right yeah stop look it's like you're mad i'm coming across the road on my back wheel on the on the on the bike because i know the road left like the back of my hand you know i mean but i feel like kids now don't get me wrong not all kids don't ever get don't get it twisted but like i feel like it's it's a lot different though do you know i mean so yeah talked about your sister Bad man, legend, the goat Yeah, like She's like She really is Like the star of the show Like in terms of If you go to my mum's house now People will be there now Just to see Grace Like my friends, people don't come see me My mum's, they go see her They've actually just got some new neighbours My mum and dad They've been there for like a couple of days and my sister has been over there for dinner like all week because they can't let her go.

10:11She's a legend. What's your age gap? Ten years. Is it? She's a twin, my sister. Is she? Yeah, she's a twin. So I remember dead clearly, I remember I must have been about ten years old. I remember I was eating a ham sandwich in the living room and my mum and dad came up to me and said, you're going to have a brother or a sister? and I was fucking crying my eyes out, fuming, thinking, not a chance you've done me like this. Anyway, got over it. And then I remember going, I think I was off school or something, I can't remember, but I remember I had to go to the hospital with my mum to get a scan, when she was getting a scan.

10:50And I remember the nurse saying to her, oh, there's two in there. I remember my mum going like this. I remember my mum laying on the bed like this, belly out here, massive. yeah I remember just going like this I thought that was good and then obviously they came and it was Hattie Hattie was first Hattie if you're like a if you're a super super fan you would have seen Hattie but I don't really like to put her everywhere you know I mean and Gracie yeah and that's my that's my best mates them two right there does Gracie ever perform yeah she actually she came on stage with me once I didn't even know actually it was actually pretty cute to be fair I was on stage in Manchester doing my G and wherever I'm getting the crowd going everyone's waving and obviously there's a spotlight on me and as I'm waving like this I've seen I've like felt the spotlight come off me you know what I mean I'm waving like this I'm thinking where's my light put the light on me please and then ended up like breaking I'm thinking what the fuck I'm looking and I looked and Gracie was walking on the stage and it was sick and then she was just whatever dancing singing it and all that but yeah she loves it she's like but even like little things I think when they go out sometimes not all the time but sometimes like people will see her and ask her for a picture really yeah but she loves it though she'll like come home like look at her look at her like that you think I think I know what's going on in your relationship like that because Gracie Gracie has Down Syndrome right now yeah being so protective over her like Like, what does that teach you as a human, as a man, as a brother?

12:32Wow. Loads, loads, loads, loads, loads, loads, loads. Where do we even start? It taught me. First of all, it taught me, like, to... This also sounds quite bad, but it taught me to... Or more, it taught me more to treat everyone the same and to understand that everyone's a fucking human, bottom line. and it's funny how much of a proper conversation you can have with my sister. Like you could do a podcast with my sister now. Really? And it'd probably be the fucking... The best. The best one. Do you know what I mean? And it's funny how like, I don't know so many things, I've learned so many things off her, I wouldn't even be half the person I am if she wasn't here.

13:19Really? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. She's taught me so many things and like, it's just like, what's the word? I don't know what the word is, but like, when I do this, like raising awareness thing, it's not to like me. That was going up Kilimanjaro, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it's not like, I hope people don't think, I've actually seen a comedian speak about Down syndrome. So I'm going to take his thing. And he was like, he said something like, oh yeah, when I tell people my brother's got Down syndrome, they're all like, oh, I'm sorry to hear that. And he's like, are you fucking mad?

13:54He's got the best, he's living his best life he just he's joking he's just fucking sitting there and drinking Capri Suns all day that's what he was saying it was pretty funny but like I know what you mean yeah but like it's not nothing to to be fucking upset about like if anything it's made life better my house my house is is that house you know if you open my mum's door it's got 64 pairs of trainers on you know in the door because everyone's there there's music on she's singing she's doing what she's doing like it's just a big bright light in the house that definitely wouldn't be there if she wasn't there do you know what i mean and she actually teaches you lessons that you don't even realize to laughter every time i used to go to bed she used to always she used to always grab my face this is random no one's told us to do this she always used to grab my face like this before i used to go bed and just go arison don't be afraid yeah and i used to just laugh at first but then she started doing it all the time i started thinking yeah like because in the grand scheme of things it's like you'd think a person would say look at me you did all these people in the room and then grace her and feel like maybe like she needs to be afraid she's the one that needs to be afraid more than anyone else in it do you know what i mean and it's just not the case like she's just absolutely living her best life whatever anyone else has got going on around her she's going to be sweet anyway and i started taking that and it's funny how like every time she says it now i feel like i could walk outside and take on the hulk you know what i mean and it's mad and even when we was doing the mountain when we was doing kilimanjaro that was like we've got it on camera the weirdest thing ever is on the night we was meant to summit the guy who like our guy who was leading us he was stood there he didn't know that gracie says this that don't be afraid or anything and he was sat there and he said one thing today guys he was like he was from leeds or somewhere sheffield he said don't be afraid and it was weird and like obviously me v or a couple of my people who we know that gracie says that we all went and looked at each other like what the fuck like it's weird bro like but yeah don't be afraid and i got it tattooed on there i got it tattooed there and i just feel like it's just such a simple sentence in it but like it just hits does it make you emotional speaking about her no because I also know how much of a little shit she is actually so no but maybe it did at first do you know why it doesn't make me emotional this is what I'm saying this is my point because there's nothing to worry about there's nothing it's fine it's just what I meant by that is I see like it's like people who are listening there's like the raw love in like your eyes and when you're saying it's taught you so much you're almost trying to express to someone who doesn't understand how much it, you'll never know how much it can teach you.

16:46Yeah, yeah, and I also want to say that for people who say there's a couple right now and they're about to have a kid and they find out the kid's got Down syndrome, please don't think that it's the fucking end of the world or like shit, like life's over or it's not, you're actually going to have the best time of your life. Like, I promise you. And remember this, please remember this, I don't get paid to say this or like I don't give a fuck also on some selfish shit my sister's good I don't need to care about anyone else so I don't even need to say these things do you get what I mean like if I like take this with a pinch of salt if anything fuck everyone else my sister's sweet that's all I should care about really but I'm saying this to say like nah it's lit like and also that's what she's taught me even like just being ignorant to certain things this isn't even a joke I feel like people are going to laugh when I say this I didn't even never I didn't even know what Down syndrome was until my sister was born.

17:42Yeah. I started knowing about it and then I felt like every time I got in the car after, I seen 10 Downs people a day. Do you know what I mean? It was weird, but she taught me like, without even knowing she taught me this, not to be so ignorant. Can I just ask, for somebody who doesn't know, what is Down syndrome? Basically, it's just as simple as, I'll show you a tattoo here. See, I got a 21 tattoo there. With a love heart. So basically, they have an extra 21 or 21st chromosome. Makes sense. That's just what it is. That's just what it is, basically. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. They're actually one up on us, so we can't, what are you talking about, innit?

18:20You know what I mean? It's 1-0 to them lot. You know what I mean? They're winning.

18:28Why did you stop music for a bit? Bro, to be honest, bro, because it was just... The honest, the honest thing. Why, why? Because? Because, obviously, I was, say I started rapping at 15, I was just putting in work from 15 to do it. Blew up when I was 18, and then when I blew up, I had to go twice as hard. And then, bro, I was doing it 365 days a year, till I was about 21. And then, I just stopped, I don't know, a lot was too much, and then back to them things are like, oh, there's so many things I could say right now. Yeah, but say it, man, because I get it. It's that burnout period. Yeah, yeah, burnout, probably like losing friends because I've spent so much time trying to get to where I need to be.

19:16Do you know what I mean? People's lives change and all that. You don't know how people feel about you in real life because then you start tripping thinking, oh, have I been too bothered about what these millions of randomers are saying about me and not about what the people are caring. You know what I mean? Things like that. just being in the limelight and then realising that at the time I didn't even I've not lived no like from being 17 to 21 it's like prime time period for whatever and I never lived that do you know what I mean mine wasn't compared to yours right like I did a reality show right and I started at what 22, 23 so 24 to 5, 24 four year period again same as you and I remember when I got to 27 and I had experienced whatever I experienced right I remember at 27 I was sitting in my apartment and I remember thinking I don't have anyone to phone I have no one to phone I've rejected all of my old mates my new mates aren't really my new mates they're just from people I've met out clubbing I haven't spoken to my family in like a month what the fuck am I doing it gets real bro it gets real there's honestly this topic could be like an endless conversation for me yeah but let's go down exactly i find it interesting what did i do to mentally what were you feeling i was just a bit like i was just burnt out and i was just like confused you know i was confused is a pretty good word i was like right what the this sounds mad deep i'm not even a deep guy but i think i was sat there thinking like right what what is my life what the fuck is this i also felt like i was older than i was because i'd done so much so like i'm like i'm like turning 20 thinking i need to find someone to settle down with but but then, oh, but does everyone just want me because I am who I am?

21:02Oh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And then that sparks a whole other thing. Do you get what I mean? And then, like, oh, bro, bare things. And then... Did you ever feel down? Yeah, quite a lot at a certain period. It's also funny how, like, do you know if you live, not a sheltered life, but what's the word I'm looking for? Basically, if you come up and you've got, say you've got six friends, and your mum, dad, and your brother, or whatever like that, and you go to work and you've got your two favorite workmates and they're the only people you kind of socialize with. If they're good people, you don't really know or sense any negativity because it's not really around you.

21:44You don't put yourself in that position. But then you get flung into a thing where my job is based off people's opinions. Do you get what I mean? so I'm sat there thinking I'm like all confused thinking Ra why is everyone a prick do you get what I mean because even though because I'm getting 20 ,000 comments that say you are the truth you are amazing I love you but then you get three comments that's like shit and you can't help but focus on them do you get what I mean it's hard it's hard being having a job where the success rate of my job is based on people's opinion but I'm a person personally who doesn't give a fuck about people's opinion yeah but deep down there's the party that can't help that yeah yeah but then on the flip side get on this one yeah on the flip side then I'm thinking you know sometimes when I drop a song and I'm getting all this love yeah I have the best couple weeks of my life like I feel like Superman yeah and then say I don't drop for a month I start getting all sad and then I start sending myself word about it because I think Like, do you like, are you trying to live off attention?

22:58Do you get what I mean? Like, are you just thriving off this attention and if you don't get any attention, then you're not happy? Do you get what I mean? Man, I know. Funny one. I think so many people, like, in life in general and, like, you know, especially in the entertainment industry feel that massively. And the more, and the last couple of days thinking about you coming on, the more I've been thinking about the sort of music industry in itself and what what is like what music industry used to be it's so different to what it is now right massively and and like music sort of had this thing where it sort of stood the test of time and people were listening to albums for months and weeks and years after it was released and it was oh my and now music is so instant and what I was thinking about is I suddenly just like had this moment where I was like shit it's actually so tough where you start like someone like take yourself for example you release amazing track it fucking booms it goes for it it goes wild their fans are like we need something more now we need more we need more we need more and it doesn't stop it doesn't stop i think that's um i think a lot of the time artists the music people sit here sit there and blame the people for that yeah but i think it's a bit of a 50 50 blame i feel like artists and that we've become too accessible and too like but but also because not because for any other reason other than because you feel like you have to because you you might you might get advised off the label we need to do we need to do some personality tiktoks it's like yeah but i'm a rapper i'm not a fucking social media influencer do you know what I mean it kind of takes the fun out of it and the love for it out a little bit and that's what happened to you?

24:49yeah a little bit I was just like no to be fair no that was a bit separate really because the game wasn't really like that when I took a break it was more there was just so much going on and all that but like I'm talking like nowadays like it is very different it is very different and even like it's like you've got to get everything else sorted before the actual music now whereas like a couple years ago a couple years ago you could you could rely on good music will prevail yeah so that's different now i think that's different now why explain that to me because i think you need a lot more than just a good tune for it to be overly successful in every genre of music or in yours particularly i think particularly mine i think you're right with that like especially being a rapper there's So you have to kind of hold your own.

25:40Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. And if you start looking left and right, what people are saying or people are doing... I also do think, no, it just depends on what kind of message you want to get across. Like if I came out here now and like someone came round, people came round the corner and started filming me, like whatever, trying to bully me or like battering me, you're not really going to get no street points, innit? Explain that to me, what do you mean? So like if I was a rapper and I'm in every song, I'm saying, yeah, you know, I always keep the gun tucked or da-da-da-da-da or, like, fuck the ops or, like, no one can chat to me, da-da-da-da-da.

26:17Yeah. And then I went outside there and just got bullied. You're not standing up to it. Then it's like, what are you chatting shit for, innit? But I've never said nothing other than, well, whatever I say, innit? But, like, so, yeah, so I don't really think, I don't personally feel pressure to, like, keep up a certain persona or anything like that, no. But also, and we're going to try and dance around this, we don't have to talk about it, we're going to dance around it. But you've had beasts of music and you've said things like that. Yeah, of course. And you've held your own in that place. And it feels like from my side when I always listen, because, man, your music's freaking great, dude.

26:54Man, 100%. And everyone was so excited for you to come in because I think your fan base is quite far and wide. Yeah, it's all over the place. It's all over the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all over. But you aren't afraid to say what you want Nah because And where does that come from Because that's brave That's like I reckon that's a mixture of like Well just rap in general I'm just a rap fan And the rap that I know That's what it is You say what you want And you don't let no one take the piss You know what I mean But then also That's probably mixed in with some like Straight up like northern shit Like don't take no shit In terms of like rap beefs and all that There's also something a little bit playful about it at the same time.

27:37I would like to think no one's really got a mad problem. It's more just like, yeah, you tried it. When you're that young and you're going through something like that, you're 21 years old and, man, everything's thrown at you and you're feeling burnt out and your brain's going crazy and you feel like this and that, how do you even talk about that? What are you feeling? How are you expressing it? I don't really know do you know why it was hard yeah because it's hard to talk to someone that's not in your shoes about something innit and like I felt like a bit of an outsider when it comes to the scene or like looking for someone who's like in similar shoes to talk to because everyone's from London I'm from Manchester at the time I'm not actually friends with anyone everyone's just colleagues like I didn't feel like I could message anyone on some normal shit without him saying, let's get in the studio.

28:35Do you know what I mean? So I don't know. And also around, COVID was around that time as well. So I'm not going to put the whole blame on that. It was like, everything's going up, it's all crazy. And then COVID hits. And then you sort of like back to reality kind of thing. There's a lot, there's a lot that goes into it really. And I know we could sit here for another five hours and we wouldn't even get to the bottom of it. We wouldn't even get to the bottom of it. We wouldn't even touch the sides. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. But I think the main thing is that this goes with everything, but sometimes your head just does overtime, especially to something that you kind of like, I can't think of a better word, but you're smothered with, I was just smothered with music and fame and money and these friends are, these friends are, these friends are, are they even friends are, da-da-da-da-da.

29:26and then it's like, even in terms of like, you might want to speak to your mum or dad about it, but your mum and dad are only going to give you kind of like a certain level of response because your mum and dad don't know nothing about not being able to go to Sainsbury's without certain things, you know what I mean? Who dragged you out of it? I think myself. Really? I just needed time. It weren't even a thing of like... You're just young, 21, to have the self-awareness to do that. Yeah, I think it was just like, it weren't like no bottomless pit that I had to like really climb out of. It was just like, right, forget about all that for a minute.

30:02Just be normal for a minute. Go. Ride a bike. Yeah, go ride. Exactly. Go ride a bike. Go on holiday. Do all this. Because even, I probably went to however many countries before all that. And I was there for a day. Got drunk. I don't even remember what the place looked like. And then went to the next place. You know what I mean? so I just needed to just cool off a minute and actually get some inspiration. I think I literally said everything on the mic that I had to say. Do you know what I mean? So I had to just go away, get some inspiration, live some normal life. Also meet new people because you can't, yeah.

30:39You can't be inspired with the same thing. You can't be inspired with the same thing all the time. Did this inform what you wrote, you know, in the new album? The new album's a bit different. new albums a bit more kind of finding the balance of actually like this new school vibe of like people having a much shorter attention span and not really not really having the patience to or the want to like try and listen to a song do you get what i mean but then also still being me not going all the way to new school I've still got bars on there I've still got heavy rap songs on there that are going to slap finding that balance and also I made this project mainly for a live show I feel like you listen to this project if you listen to it on a streaming app you get 50 % of the feeling and then you're going to have to get the other 50 % by coming and watching it do you know what I mean that's the vibe of this one that's also great marketing you know what yeah my first album close to home was a lot more like you get you get to know me like you get a different side of me personal things i had like the my g record on there man i had you know i mean like a couple things what people didn't know about before whereas now that was like hello this is it this is really h not like the not like the little kid who you think's just out all the time drinking all this that was close to home it's like this is h really this is Harrison 4 is like don't you fucking dare forget who the fuck I am you little bastard that's what that is why is it called 4?

32:224 is called 4 originally because my postcode was M40 and when we was kids we always used to say like I'm in the 4 or in pictures we always used to put 4s up like this so it's just always been a thing it's my 4th project I'll be honest with you I'm not going to sit here lying about it it was meant to drop on the 4th of the 4th. But that didn't happen. Let's go. Does it feel good to be back? Yeah. But it's tough again, right? Do you know what? It feels good. Do you know what it is, right? I left from 2022, after my first album, after Close to Home, I think I left it on a certain note, which is a good note and a bad note, but I left it, you know, my singles was like the Ashanti song, Ed Sheeran song Stone Roses Sample 1989 I left it on a bit of a even though I I did nothing but rap I left it on a bit of a mainstream note do you get what I mean yeah in terms of like that's the last thing you heard of me then it went missing so I feel like unfortunately I give people time to forget the reason I'm actually here which is because I'm a good fucking rapper I think that's your own insecurity I really do It might be I think it is It might be I think that's your own insecurity If I'm being honest I don't think people forget I think people know that you I think that's you judging yourself You know what it is Back to the things of You highlight the negatives all the time I'll see one or two comments That might say H fell off Or H went pop It does me fucking head in I'll just be honest with you It does me head in Because I'm thinking like First of all Whether I'm on a song with Giggs or whether I'm on a song with Anne-Marie.

34:09I do nothing but rap anyway. I've got bars on every song. Listen. Do you know what I mean? But I do get the vibe of people want that raw shit. But then also it's not just the raw shit that's put me in this position today. It's also funny feeling like you've got to cater to the fans, but also I need to pay my fucking mortgage. But then also, do you get what I mean? So you've got to find that balance. And then again, back to my fan base, if I walk through the airport tomorrow, there'll be a 10-year-old girl coming up to me asking me for a picture there'll be 16-year-old lads there'll be a 45-year-old woman do you get what i mean i know it's why it's all over the place and i kind of like that i feel like i am one of if not the only one in the uk that kind of has a stretch that far when i say that i know that everyone's got fans all over the place but i've really got thousands of 50-year-old fans and thousands of 10-year-old fans and Same.

35:07Yeah, I mean, so, yeah. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

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36:52What was it like climbing Kilimanjaro? Oh, it was the best thing ever. It was the best worst thing ever though. How bad was it? Oh, mate. I had the same boxers and socks on for seven days. Yeah. Do you want to, I'll give you some raw stuff first. Go give it to me. I had the same boxers and socks on for seven days. Yeah. Yeah. I had to shit in a tent that was about five foot high and about a foot wide. Yeah. Yeah. Where I'm sat having a shit and then when I've got to stand up to wipe my ass, my nose like hits the tent like that. You know what I mean? Like it was weird. And then, yeah. And, but it was good.

37:28Obviously, there were so many amazing things about it. first of all obviously the cause we was doing it for in the first place was amazing the fact that we was there with a couple straight like a few strangers who but he was there for the same reason so it was like it was a nice feeling i was also like before i went there i was on some like losing faith in humanity shit because like i don't know because everyone's weird and that but then yeah but when i got there it was like oh no everything's fine i had that after my run yeah yeah it's funny innit you realize how great humans are i also feel like separately like everything is in worlds like there's more there's more than one world within this world if that makes sense so like because i feel like i feel like everyone's a prick but now that's just because of the world i've put myself in but go over here to this world and everyone's experience so much amazing yeah i mean and we get so stuck in our own um bubbles that we think in our bubble everyone's thinking feeling doing exactly the same and oh my god then you go somewhere else and you go man they're freaking living life exactly bro exactly and we're all we've all i don't even want to sound like some deep on some deep spiritual shit because i'm definitely not you well you can probably tell by all the previous things we said in this interview i'm not that guy but it was everyone felt like family it was it was mad it was an amazing feeling like we was all backing each other we didn't let no one fall back it was amazing but there was some scary moments like my friend the nurse had to come and put an oxygen tank on him oh my god she didn't let him go any further because the altitude was too much his head was about to pop off is it hard the altitude oh it's horrible give it to me explain what it feels like it's like it's can you breathe nah it's like it's like your chest only lets you go to a certain point so you're kind of like walking up the mountain like wow while struggling because it's steep.

39:25Yeah, yeah. And obviously you're out of breath anyway because you're climbing. And then, yeah, it's a weird one. It's a weird one. They actually say that smokers tend to get to the top more so than people who don't smoke. It's not a fitness thing. You can't train for it. It's about your lung capacity. So because smokers are already used to... Nailing their lungs. Yeah, basically. They're working at a reduced rate. That's what they say. Your lungs are used to working at a reduced rate. Smokers tend to get to the top more so than people. That's why you ran up. I legged it, mate. done backflips all the way up um but yeah no but it was an amazing experience bro and like good on you dude yeah it for for multiple reasons for the cars we've done it for personally just to experience that and like i want to do it little things like it taught me little things like i will never ever ever in my life be ungrateful or well yeah ungrateful again when we got to the end that trip yeah there was a man who he um he was carrying all our water and we all got advised to drink three liters of water a day right and there was i can't remember the number mate i thought i said maybe 16 of us or something like that so he's filling three he's free filling 16 three liter cups up a day carrying this big thing of water yeah on his head yeah and then he fills up the water at the camp then we all start ascending and then what he does he runs down goes and gets more water comes back up meets us at the camp but the next camp by the time we get there fills it all up anyway at the end of the trip everyone got paid and he got paid 40 dollars yeah 40 usd got paid yeah for doing that for going up and down the mountain however many times with with what is it like 50 50 odd liters of water yeah much weight and he got 40 and you know what happened he got paid and i've never seen a bigger smile in my life yeah and bearing in mind it's not like things don't actually change over there like it's not like 4p for a bottle of coke it's still like one pound 20 for a glass bottle of one dollar 20 for a glass bottle of coke so like what do you by yeah what exactly and he had the biggest smile on his face ever so like i makes you you re-evaluate re-evaluate humans right oh bro we you know what another thing another topic you know like english people you know like english people like stereotypical if like think they're dead hard and all that yeah i've realized like we're not we're absolutely small boys do you know what i mean like i feel like english people proper like live off the fact that we won the war that long ago and like because we was on because we was on the bulleting back then like we're they still the same now we would get battered off everyone trust me we are not them guys i'm watching man i'm watching man fly up that mountain like there's no tomorrow not even breaking a sweat and then i come here and man is sweating when they walk to the chipper do you know what i mean fuck off it gets me mad stuff like that you know you did it with your dad yeah i did it with my dad was it amazing oh unreal made you closer yeah it did you know what me and my dad are close anyway to be fair but it definitely made us closer and like any big conversations it also i could tell that he did he didn't want to give up because i was there and i didn't want to give up because he was there do you know what i mean and we was both like pushing each other quite a lot um conversation wise it's all a bit of a blur but i remember i remember um i remember saying to grace before we went like we're going to do the mountain and that she she kind of understood she understood that we was going to climb a mountain to raise awareness for Down Syndrome she fully understands that, that's fine but like the intensity of the mountain she doesn't, she doesn't get that you know what I mean, yeah and so like really and truly it was just like yeah we're going to go do this mountain thing and she was like oh yeah mint that's it, right, cool, that's it and then I remember on the last night we was getting to the top and I was so tired and I'm literally like falling asleep, walking like I'm all over the place and I'm a bit dizzy anyway.

43:36And I remember my dad pushing my back, like pushing me up there going, come on son now, think about your sister. Yeah, I know. And it was quite like emotional. It was like a film. I think about your sister. It was all snowy on the mountain. And I'm going, yeah, I will, I will, I will. Put my foot down, started going again. And about three seconds after I went, she's not even fucking asked. Do you know what I mean? Get me home. That's what I thought, yo. She's not even bothered, man. Get me home, man. Honestly, bro. But we got to the top in the end anyway. But yeah, no, it was absolutely unreal and I would definitely recommend it.

44:15100%.

44:21Do you ever get in trouble as a kid? Not like serious trouble. Not like police trouble. We'd never been arrested or anything like that. I was always, like, the guy. I was, like... What's the word? There's a certain word for it. The ringleader? No, no, I was not the ringleader. I was just, like... I was just always the cool guy. Like, I was around maybe the people that was getting in trouble, but always got away with murder, basically. So you were the one who got away with it? I was the one that got away with it, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. but like it weren't like I don't know how to explain it when I say like trouble I'm talking like I don't like saying this because I don't like influencing bad things but you know like little things winter time go sit in the bush let a couple cars come past snowballs all that stuff try and find a that's fine try and find the biggest guy ever throw one at him get a chase off him all that you know what I mean is that weird yeah yeah yeah yeah we used to try and find the biggest scariest man ever go lace loads of snowballs at him then run for our life yeah have you ever been in a fight?

45:33yeah have you? what happened? I've not been I've not had a fight for probably like since I was probably 20 though I've not had a fight for years what happened in it? in just one there's been a couple I don't know there's been a couple I've never lost a fight though have you not? no no I'm not saying that on a cocky one I'll come out here and get knocked out yeah but no I've been quite successful I'll tell you one story about a fight that I had actually which is funny I've got a rap about it actually which came out years ago but one time I was walking down Market Street in Manchester and I remember I begged and begged and begged my mum to get me a Canada Goose coat yeah she never got me one for time she never got me one and then one time one birthday I remember coming down and there weren't as many presents as usual.

46:26Not on an ungrateful thing. I remember thinking, that weren't as many as last year. But when I opened one of them, the Canada Goose Coat was there. You know what I mean? So I was like, ah, yes, sweet, buzzing. And I remember... What colour was it? It was like harky green. It was fire. It was fire. Long? Short? Short. But then, side story, about two days after I was at a party and it got a sig burn hole in the back of it and what i've done is i've got a sharper yeah because when it when the hole burnt you could see the white like you could see like the material inside yeah and i got a sharpie and tried coloring it in did it work no no but anyway so i was walking down market street with my new canada canada goose on and anyway couple guys came over to me and was like yo yo you're that you're that callum in it i remember it they're clear you're you're callum i'm not called callum by the way you're Callum innit and I'm going nah nah bro he's going yeah you are you're Callum from I can't remember I think he said something like Charlton which is another area in Manchester and I'm like nah bro you got the wrong guy and I remember at the time when everyone was heavy on Facebook I was like I got my Facebook out I was like bro look I'm not Callum bro I'm Harrison what are you talking about anyway we've ended up going down there's like an alleyway on Market Street in between like a bank and something else whatever we've ended up going down there and they're going I can't remember what they're saying something about this Callum guy but basically that was their way to get you down there to get me down there anyway next minute they pull in my bag I used to have this Armani man bag that I used to love yeah that probably had sigils in it as well but whatever and then my Canada Goose jacket and they pull in my all my shit going yo take the jacket off I'm thinking not the fucking Canada Goose thinking you could have took anything off me today apart from this I was with my cousin but my cousin my cousin kind of just went and just froze.

48:18I'm thinking, fuck's sake, bro. Not the Canada Goose. Anyway, long story short, there was about four or five of them. This guy was pulling me. One of them was like watching the other end of the alleyway, making sure no one come down. And the other couple of them was just stood around my cousin. I was just thinking, fuck. I've ended up knocking him out. Yeah. And then everyone froze. So then I'm like this and I'm stood there. And then I've turned into a madman because I'm thinking you took the piss. you're thinking you can get my coat, like you're not going to get knocked out. You're thinking you can take my can of the coos.

48:51Yeah, but now it's peak, because now the fear's hit now, because I'm thinking something's actually happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've done this. So I'm on my madman thing. Now I'm going, what, yeah, yeah, fucking take my fucking coat. Like I was dead hard. Next minute, turn around, the guy from the other end of the alleyway has just come, Bruce Lee flying, kicked me into the wall. And that's when reality hit. And I'm like, fuck this, I'm gone. Grab my cousin, lung him down the alleyway and just started legging it. sweet this is only the start of the story i can't wait i've still got the scar there all my hand was split open and there was there was a trail of blood from if you're from manchester you'll know from from market street to handcoats i ran all the way to handcoats and there was a trail of my blood all the way i'm thinking i've been stabbed but i didn't get stabbed it was just his teeth or something so anyway cool so that was that anyway the story i'm about to tell you about is this other fight that i've had with oh wait with this can't wait with this same guy yeah with the same guy it's not the same guy on my sister's life may god strike me down if i'm lying on anything i say in this podcast now was he like it's callum again yeah no so what happened was i was with my friends in town but i am now h now at this point i wasn't h then you're harrison yeah i was i dropped a couple tunes yeah but no one knew who i was yeah i mean so cool so now at this point say it's so like a year later or something, I'm H now and I've got a couple songs knocking about in Manchester like they know who I am sort of thing.

50:18Anyway, I've gone to town, so I've got my hood up and I've got this like little balaclava thing on because I'm just like doing, it was like 10 o 'clock at night in Manchester and I was with people that I maybe shouldn't have been with and all that, it was a bit shader. I knew that I had problems with these people who are always in town because I've knocked him out. Do you get what I'm saying? Oh, so this is like, this is real beef. Yeah, at this point. And they know who you are now? Yeah, so basically, because after this, there was comments on my song saying, we took his jacket, we took his bag.

50:48I'd obviously say they didn't. So I'm like... Did you reply saying... I'm all replying to the comments saying, I took your teeth, whatever. So you've got the balaclava on, you're going down. So I'm walking down, and at the time, I'm walking down like this, and the guy who my friend is with has gone, have you got any cigs? And I had cigarettes on me at the time, right? So then my mate's gone, yeah, yeah, H has got cigs, like this. so I'm like oh you've just said my name why have you said my name but I couldn't start acting weird so I've just pulled the sig out and give the guy a sig and you can obviously see my eyes and he said H and I'm like this holding the sig box out for him to take and he's gone like this I'm thinking fuck's sake H yeah so I'm like shit pulled the mask down what's happening he's gonna say no more and ran yeah how many of you are there at this point how many there's probably like six of us yeah yeah yeah and he's ran off i promise you i'm not lying he's come back with about 25 people and then this guy who i've sparked out about six months ago last year he's come around the corner looking like fucking mr t or something yeah like a five foot six mr t like this he's obviously just been in jail for a little minute or something like this and he's coming do you remember me bro like I'm thinking fuck me I wish I fucking didn't remember you do you know what I mean anyway it's unbelievable so at this time more of my friends have come now as well so we've said we're not doing all this weird shit like causing causing a big chaos in town let's just go somewhere and we'll just get it cracking again just me and you yeah yeah are you worried about weapons or anything like that well nah because the people the people I was with they was like my older guys so me being like young and a bit like clueless to things i'm thinking these lot have got me yeah they won't let anything they wouldn't let anything happen to me yeah and i kind of like yeah i trust them so i wasn't bothered about weapons at the time especially after the conversation of we're gonna go to this car park now and get it cracking cool so we went and i promise you there's about 50 man walking down through town now and i'm walking it's all weird and that because they're all just there next to me i'm thinking i'm just dying to just you know i mean whatever we're walking we're walking we've got to the top of the car park cool i'm mad confident i'm thinking all my holders are there i've already knocked you out this is a piece of cake in it cool took my jacket off whatever there's a big circle around us cool we're about to get a cracking i've stepped to him he's just gone give me about four licks to the face i'm all over the place i didn't know what to do i've swung for him he's ducked and he's picked and he's picked me up like this and i remember this so vividly yeah it was it was like slow-mo as he's picked me up on top of this right yeah i've like gone up in the air and i've just seen the most beautiful skyline view of manchester ever yeah it was like slow-mo yeah i've just been lifted up like this over over everyone that's around us and i just went i was like i was like oh no boom ended up on my back anyway i flipped it on it said whatever I done what I had to do I won and that was that and then and then after it the funniest thing is yeah is that after it we've seen all the police come oh yeah so we've all legged it yeah and as we're all everyone's just scattering we don't even know where anyone is as I'm running down the road like this I've looked to the left and the guy that I just had a fight with he's running next to me like this and I'm thinking what the fuck is going on here like it's just the weirdest situation ever anyway yeah I fucking want to fight there's it that's the silly question

54:34hey so we got eight quick fire questions you ready for this? yeah man man I freaking love this I feel like I've been waffling this interview as well are you kidding me? it's so good and you just said quick fire so I'll keep it you know what I mean what's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up? don't be afraid best compliment anyone's ever given you?

54:55truthfully it's massive I'm joking because you said truthfully I thought you were talking about music then no best compliment I don't know do you know what quick one the other day someone messaged me saying that she's got two sons and one of them's got downs and one of them's not and he he was all like the one who's not he was he was a bit embarrassed about his brother and didn't really and then because of the certain things I've done now he doesn't even come out walk out the house without bringing his brother around all the boys and all that respect so that that was nice so yeah that was what scares you most about yourself uh what scares me most about myself is that um I'm quite impulsive I'm quite impulsive and do you know what I'll be honest with you I don't like being told what to do.

55:50That's your success though as well. That's not a scenario. I think it's a good thing sometimes. When was the last time you cried? Kilimanjaro. Really? Cried my eyes out like a bitch. Really? Yeah, yeah, for time. Oh, man. Yeah. Something you can't let go of? Manchester. That's a good answer. You like that one? I fucking like that one. What's your guilty pleasure? My guilty pleasure? Do you know what my guilty pleasure is? Honestly, yeah.

56:21I like putting I like I like getting pampered sometimes I like getting a pot of eye masks putting them in the fridge for hours going upstairs making all my my bathroom neat with all my creams and all that and all my smelly stuff and all that and when I get home from the gym do all that that's my little guilty pleasure I actually had eye mask on all the way here and took them out before I walked in what turns you off bad attitude and when people when you wake up with someone and they wake up earlier than you and the whole fucking world has to fucking wake up do you know what I mean the air dryers on all these fucking tiktoks next to my head do you know what I mean I hate that bad what turns you on everything else no er er what turns me on?

57:18I like it when girls don't, genuinely don't know how sexy they are. I like that. I don't like it when a girl walks in looking like she knows everyone would fuck her in here. That would make me definitely not fuck you. By the way, I'm making it all sexual. I'm so sorry. You're bad. Genuinely. But like, yeah, I don't like, Like, if someone walked in here now and I could tell she felt like she was the it girl, I wouldn't even look at her. What do you like most about yourself?

57:57I suppose same answer as before. Like, I'm always myself, so I can sleep at night knowing that. Well, no one can tell me I'm not being myself. You know what I mean? H, your final one, favourite swear word? You can go big. Can we go big? You can go big. No. Go on. Go for it. Whatever it is. Well, I've just thought of one now, which I never say, but it might slightly be my favourite. What is it? Bellend. That's a good one. It's a good one, that one, isn't it? I've got one. Oh, there's a couple, bro. Twat's a good one. I've got one more for you as well, just for me. Your favourite lyric you've ever written.

58:38Wow.

58:46Oh, bro, you've smoked me there. I think, all right, what I'm going to say is, I've got a song called Close to Home. Yeah. That song, word for word, I should have it tattooed on my chest. That is like, that's the song. That's the song. Close to Home. But as of recent, I wrote a lyric, which is on four, and I say, I say, I say people only want to come around when it's funded, so I only give a fuck about who lives at mum's crib, which is just quite simple, but it's like, yeah. That's good. When no one's getting paid, no one's about, but I don't pay my family and they're about, so fuck you lot. I only care about them lot.

59:29Fuck H, that was unreal. Let's go, baby. Thank you so much. Yeah.

59:36That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. What an authentic human being. Very authentic. The way he spoke about his sister is just so incredible. His family. And what I just love about him is that, as you said, authentic. He just doesn't hold back. No, he's really fun. He says everything that comes into his mind, which I freaking love. Yeah, and I think quite a lot of people in the room quite fancied H. Really? Yeah, afterwards, a few people in the room afterwards said to me, Is he hot? Well, I don't think he has too many problems. I love that come on H thank you so much for listening everyone remember you can get in touch let us know what you think of the episode what guests you want us to have next all of those questions we want to hear from you you can send us an email greatcompany at jamboproductions.co.uk or you can slide into our DMs at greatcompanypodcast and we're going to be back next Wednesday for another episode of Great Company

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