CHLOE BURROWS: I'VE FINALLY FOUND LOVE AFTER LOVE ISLAND

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2:17Hello, everyone. My name is Jamie Lang, and this is Great Company.

2:24Well, hello, everybody. We have to start without you saying well. You need a new way of saying hello, Jamie, and I'm keeping all of this in. Good morning, good afternoon, good night. No, no, I want something new, something you've never done before. We have a great show for you today. Oh, punchy. Okay, nice. We do have a great show for you today. We have Chloe Burrows on the episode. Chloe is best known for being on Love Island. Yes. You've gone straight in, though. I know. Well, I'm sorry. You've made me not preheat the oven. I've gone straight in. Oh, yeah. We're cooking sausages in a cold oven here.

2:58Great saying. I love that. I dare you to use that again today in a meeting. We've got a meeting later. Use that in the meeting. What, we're cooking cold sausages in an oven today? No, I don't know how you're going to use that. We're cooking cold, soft sausages. We're using sausages in a cold oven. We're cooking sausages in a cold oven. That's how starting a meeting without asking people how they are is. All right, I'm going to try and use that in the meeting today. Hello, how are you? Good, thank you. I don't know why I'm now going straight into it. Yeah. Chill out. Okay. I'm very excited. Thank you for coming back to the podcast, everyone.

3:26Thank you for being fans of it and enjoying it. We love making it, as I always say, and really, really excited for today's guest. And this is Jamie, and I'm PJ, producer Jemima. This is Jemima, my producer, and I'm Jamie, your host. Okay, now, Clary, he's excited. I'm very excited. Who is she? Go on. Chloe is, she was on from Love Island in 2021. since Love Island she's done lots of different things from doing TV shows to other dating shows to having a podcast being quite big on digital and I was really interested to get her on because I love this whole idea of the landscape of Love Island what happens before and after and especially what it does to you in terms of your career on your mental state on lots of different things she's very open and honest and I love people who have no filter she does not she does not in every single way so I'm excited for this conversation I'm deeply fascinated and you fall into this category of people who can have having to do relationships on a public space like as someone who doesn't do that a normo I'd like to call myself like you know watching yourself kiss on TV oh my god we talk about that breaking up breaking up talking about that yeah talk about families talk about work Chloe dated a married man without knowing he was a married man yes I'm really interested in you know Love Island they all say I come here to find love and you're like have they really come to find love Chloe was so smart when she did the VT so the little video they played before you know when you introduce the characters and she said I'm partial to a married man and I think that was so smart because she just knew what she needed because then you see and I remember watching it and being like who the hell is this woman and then she comes on and I'm like oh she's wonderful she is not that type of she just knew kind of what she needed to say but I just think that's really smart.

5:20Yeah, but I just like, it is a game. And like being open about being like, it's a game, I'm coming on here for that. I love that. Respect it. So we have Chloe coming on and we're very excited about it. Remember, if you haven't subscribed to our show already, please do, it does us wonders. I just cannot tell you how much it does for us. And if you, I know the eyes are closed, I'm saying it. And remember, you can get in touch with us at Great Company Podcast on Instagram, slide into our DMs, we see them all. Or you can send us an email, greatcompany at jamberproductions.co.uk everything is in the show description also if you are wanting to watch the full video with Chloe you can go onto our YouTube channel Great Company and see it all there Jamie and Chloe look related I think we look very similar you're both wearing well you've got navy trousers and a white top and she was wearing all navy go check it out same hair colour check it out check it out are you ready for this?

6:06oh Chloe's also got a new show coming out it's about dating can I ask about it? yeah I'm going to of course good lad are you ready for this? I am here we go Jemima enjoy this episode of Great Company with Chloe Burrows I'm Chloe Burrows and I am in great company

6:24biggest ick probably like turn of what of myself no in life none biggest ick in life maybe bad teeth or is it meant to be like a deep regression no that's it that's it oh what is my all like bad breath oh road man what and that's all I attracted after Love Island I take my DMs and it's like, you'll be...

6:52Because I get a lot of people watch my stuff in jail. They do. No, they do. And I've been told and on Snapchat, it's like, oh, sweet one, can I take you out? Not today. I don't like that. Especially if you're 30 and you speak like a road man.

7:19My hyperfixation is like reading and I love, love books like Romanticism. And BookTok is huge. I'm not even kidding. I've read this book. Okay. So Sophie was, she's not very tactile in any way whatsoever. Right. Like she's really not. Like a finger on my leg and that's like what I get. Ah, yeah, yeah. She's just really not. Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. But there was this one night where she's reading this book and it's by, it's called like the housemaid or yeah good book yeah yeah okay housemaid and the always the the sort of people in it sort of are quite good looking and hot anyway yeah she she suddenly came upstairs and like like started like snog me and i was like what the hell is going on i was like taking it back because i'm not that's never happened i was like what the hell and i sort of was like this is weird what's going on and then she got angry with me anyway she she let me borrow the book afterwards so i was reading the book right i got to the chapter where they start having sex and I was a bit like this is freaking great yeah yeah that's what's up and then I was like that's why she was trying because of this yeah I've never realized books can do that oh my god my boyfriend was in for a treat when we went to the Maldives I read this one called fourth wing fucking tough you read it uh best book ever what's it called fourth wing and it's about dragons and riding dragons like everyone's got powers but it's like you know there's a lot of sexual tension and I'd be reading this book and I'd put it down and be like, right, pants off, let's go.

8:42And he was like, woo! And he was so good. Are you serious? Is that good? Honestly. It's so, I don't know, it's palpable when you're reading the book and I think, it's my go now. I've read about these. Do you know, like, to not, it's not again, but that's what you realise the difference between men and women are. Men are literally like, dogs, can we just have sex? Like, can we just have sex? Women, you need to like, You need the build up. They need the build up and the emotion and everything towards it. Yeah. Tip to men out there, don't just say that. Because I think that was my problem with Sophie.

9:16Oh, let's just, you know, come on. I had to say that to my boyfriend. Like, do you want to have sex with me? Like, yeah, but give me a minute. Like, no, you know, you've ruined it. And obviously consent is sexy. But, you know, when you just turn around, it's like, do you want to have sex? Like, oh, yeah, great. Just wait for you to ask me. No. No. So what advice, so what is the best advice to do in a relationship like that? How do you, how do you, how do you ease it into that? what is a great way well read smart books he must so go and buy that and put it on your partner's pillow have a little read of this and put a little post-it note in the little chapter yeah I think well I just had to break it I don't think I'm very good at like delivering bad news but I was like when you turn around and say can we have sex it makes me hate you so don't do that anymore and he doesn't I was I have a great friend not Jemima here but another friend called Jemima who I she left a voice note on Sophie's phone I overheard we just had a wedding and she said she said I couldn't sleep last night because my husband was trying to have sex with me for two hours I understand I then had to move into the bathroom because I was like wanted to sleep is that what it's like in a relationship sometimes yeah I just think am I like that am I like so yeah but I think you just get into I've made up my mind I'm going to bed now I'm going to sleep like shagging isn't on that menu you know and then if you like Like, if I'm trying to sleep and someone's trying to stick it on you, like, where's the romance?

10:40I'm just being rubbed by a boner. I'm not loving this. Like, does that mean I must take my pants off? No. And I'm like, stop. Stop. But then, you know, it's like kicking a puppy, isn't it? Like, no, down. Yeah. When did you find out you had ADHD? After Love Island. I didn't know before. Talk me through it. so um on the show you have like a welfare and a psychiatrist and they kind of watch you and then they follow you after the show and she said to me straight after like our first catch-up after week and she was like and obviously how's your adhd and i was like pardon so you you've got adhd i was like no that's new so i thought okay so i asked my mom my dad my brothers have got it so then i thought right i'm just gonna go to a doctor so i went to one and he was like yeah for sure but I wasn't quite convinced because it was like a half an hour session and I'd spent a bit of money I thought okay I'm gonna get a second opinion spend like three hours with someone and then they were like yeah you you have big ADHD I was all right it all makes sense I I had the I did the same thing so I thought I had as a as a kid I was kind of diagnosed but you just someone just told me you got ADHD right so I didn't really think about it then recently I went to go and get a test and probably the same as you you're a bit like everyone has ADHD like how does that change my life yeah but then you get properly diagnosed after like a three-hour thing yeah going back in history looking at reports or whatever it is and they tell you but for me it didn't really it wasn't like a light bulb moment it didn't really change much for me was it for you um yes I know now I've got an excuse I think for a lot of things so actually I was really pleased with it um but a lot of things like growing up made sense and now I'll get like a hyper fixation obviously I know the terminology now and that makes a lot of sense like I had a drum kit going up and then I had a playstation and I was like it's just all of this stuff made a lot of sense and then at uni I had to I remember when I was like doing my degree and I'd be in the library and everyone be sweating it and I would have like headphones on with music friends playing on a laptop and like doing mind maps because I was really trying to stimulate myself to get the information and everyone said it was really odd and I found it odd that other people didn't need to like watch listen entertain yourself to do stuff but no I think it just yeah just gave me an excuse and an answer do you know that's so interesting I had the same experience with that right which is where I couldn't understand at school or university why people could sit in and and focus yeah for that I it was like it was it was my I I went to Leeds University yeah and um I didn't have a library card until my last term of my last year because I just couldn't concentrate in any way whatsoever it was that's what I found really hard with and so then learning that it was a bit like okay now I kind of get it yeah but then the hyper hyper fixation that's because I used to I used to hyper fixate on things like breathing and tell me more I haven't had that one yet I'm sure it's coming now I'm setting it ready yeah well I don't I I think because of my ADHD what I didn't realize is that like you had i i sort of hyper focused on lots of different things and then when you're in a negative spin you focus on the negative oh yeah for sure have you had that yeah but you know that's now part of my task of the day get up think about all the bad things and then that that's my mood for the day then sometimes i forget to do that and then it's fine but yeah i think like say like mean comments i'll get up and i'll see that and all day i think oh my god i'm the worst person in the world everyone hates me everyone hates me and it's really bad but it's i'm so used to it now i don't think it impacts me do you know what i mean because even when i go to uni i maybe i'd go out with all my friends and maybe i would i mean drunk chloe is a different subject but maybe i would say something bad like there's anxiety and then there's hyper fixating on that situation i actually can't see anyone well explain that to me what do you mean so you know like everyone gets anxiety and they're like i said something bad but then i will then replay that conversation all day and then for days I'll think about it until I do something bad again so I actually when I was asking my friends I know I made a bit of a comment I won't repeat it but then I what did you say come on just give it to me this is a safe space yeah I'm gonna share everything with you you can share everything with me this is a deal my friend got a bit too drunk and it's even me or him and I just said oh I'm just so bored of like well like it's always you and then he was like it's always you and I just thought well thank god it's not me today it's not even that bad but it's just even me or him that's always the most smash i was i'm so bored of it like so bored of you doing that and he's i'm bored of you and then i just thought about oh yes i was non-verbal yesterday because i felt so bad and i texted him this morning like i'm really sorry i'll never get bored of it which is a lie i probably will but i just had to repair the situation and he said oh it's so fine it's so fine but i had to call my other friend to talk about it on the way here because i was like god it's really bad do you think because of your personality because the way you are because you're upbeat and quite energetic that some people um get the wrong idea that actually you're you can be pretty sensitive and the things that you say you actually do think about and people don't realize you're like that yeah for sure but I think people obviously see all the stuff of me online and obviously when I'm at work or there's a camera and I'm switched on so like they get that version of me but then when I'm at home like I'm non-verbal I'm not chatty like you know I obviously live with Millie I spend more time like in my room like not speaking because I think you you do give like so much of yourself on camera yeah so then that's when I'll sit and like think I think people would be surprised like to know that it is sensitive but I'm not you know getting myself down about it I'll feel bad but it won't like impact it's not going to change the route of my day do you know what I mean because you have to just keep going are you introverted extroverted I a bit of both I'm I think fake it till you make it so in a group of people I know that they expect me to be loud so I'll be loud and like be that person but before I go like say if I'm meeting someone who I'll like practice the interaction in my head and I'm like what am I going to say like what should I even do it when Millie comes home which is like I've lived with her for years yeah yeah yeah so I'll think like oh I haven't seen her in a few days like what do I need to say I'll be like oh hi you all right and then I'll kind of think of all the things I need to tell her have happened not that I haven't texted all day but I'll be like oh my god like have you seen this on TikTok and I'll know what I'm gonna say wait wait hold on let's get it so but that's the funny thing about this right which I learned from podcasting you've done from podcasts was that everyone is so different but also at the same time we all have the same things and we think the way that we interact or do things is so unique but actually when you talk about it you go god i have that i have that i have that yeah so when you were going to meet me today have you played that out in your head oh yeah yeah but i've been a fan of you for ages so it's very easy to like have things in your back pocket but say if i was meeting someone that i didn't really know and had nothing to say you've got like i always have ice like icebreakers in my back pocket so i'm like oh thank god for the weather at the moment so we can just talk about the weather Chloe!

17:28Yeah, I know. Okay, wait, so throw me some of your icebreakers that you're good at. So what do you go? So if you're going to meet someone, you're going into a big meeting. Yeah. Okay, and it's about one of your documentaries you're going to do, and you want to nail it, and you want to get it. What do you go into the meeting with? What do you say? No, the classic is, oh, like, because obviously London's awful for traffic. I'm awful, and they'll be like, oh, where did you go? I'll ask them, oh, where did you travel from? And then they'll say, and I'm always like, oh, my God, I love it around there.

17:52They have the best cafes. I don't know. I've barely been anywhere in London. I'm exposing myself but then they feel comfortable and then they start talking about it and then it takes pressure off me because now they're talking about them do you know what I mean yeah I know exactly what you mean so what do you think what do you think your superpower is if you had a superpower because I think as humans we all have superpowers I think my dad actually said this the other day he was like you're really good at disarming people because I think I shock them with like how open and honest I am so they they then feel quite comfortable around me because I'll tell you something awful and embarrassing like no shame so then they're like oh well if she doesn't care about that then why do I care which I find in my pod like I'll give one embarrassing story and it's like a trade-off isn't it I think I'm quite good at that like breaking the ice quite quickly where do you think you learned that because I that's exactly what I'm quite good at doing yeah and as a host or as a person that means you can you you can you can disarm the room yeah so straight away that they feel comfortable and when someone feels comfortable that's when they start telling you stories or feel like they're friendly with you where did you learn that do you think um i maybe when i was cold calling you know because i was bad i used to cold call for a bit before i went on love island in like sales and i was imagine you know i would call older men who had like big companies imagine them answering the phone to me like they're not serious and then i would just like oh you know how's i'd kind of google where they were from and then just start talking to them about that or you know i'd google image where their building was whatever and it was about that so now I think maybe that's a skill I don't know but I've always been an attention seeker so maybe I realize when the attention's on me then people want to get involved maybe it's that I don't know where I got it from okay so you go on Love Island I did I want I need every detail of how like how does that happen what what happens do they send you a message do you do interview you what goes down when that happens okay so i had a friend of a friend who was an exec on a few shows and they were trying to get me to go on um celebs go dating as a datey for wayne lineker and tom zanetti but i had yeah that's a big combo that's a big and i almost did it joking i did it a little bit yeah a little bit no so they so she was trying to get me and I had this call but I had a job like in finance so I after cold calling got moved to because I got my degree in marketing I was like head of the digital marketing bit for this but like finance company I got this is not worth the risk because I would be so sacked like there's no way you can go to like financial services after being on tv snogging wayne lindica that doesn't happen so no this isn't worth the risk and then they called again for james locky and i thought no don't want to do that either like no no shame to him but i thought if i'm getting airtime i've got to get me a new job i mean i'm getting so sacked so i thought no not that one and then they call me entrepreneurial view to think like if this is a stepping stone it has to offer me something the risk versus reward has to be good well actually if you want the truth i was interviewing for jobs but i could not get a job and I thought well if I'm sacked I'm actually fucked because I haven't got a job and I've got one imagine if I'm unemployed and not being able to interview like I can't do that so then there was this other show it went on ITV2 I can't remember what it's called but it was basically one single girl and 12 boys and 6 of them were taken 6 of them were single and she had to like date them all and at the end she would pick one and if he was single they'd split the money but if he was taken him and his girlfriend would take the money anyways that was the premise of the show so speaking to me I thought should i do it should i do it and i've got so that was like a few zoom calls because i think it was covid and then at the end i was just i just don't know if i should and then the girl oh i forgot her name georgia yeah she was like okay i actually know exactly what show you should be on i was like she's like right i'm gonna pass your number on whatever and then the next day i was working from home and i just got a call and it was like is that chloe i was like yeah they're like do you want to go for a long hot summer i was like yeah i was like yeah i do what do you want so they'd obviously had my details and producers and then I think I jumped on a Zoom the next day and they just asked me a bit about myself dating history and I was just saying whatever I thought would get me on that show and then they called me down to London and they said yeah you're going to be the first bombshell and that was kind of signed so delivered in a month and I knew when I was flying out because I said some horrific stuff probably I think you're entrepreneurial like yeah 100 % because I can see it in the way that you sort of view things which is a really good way you're not sort of part of the system you're always looking at ways that how can something offer me and if I need to get it how am I going to find I if I want to get something I'm going to find a way of getting it yeah right that's always the always the really good way of doing things I always think what horrific stuff did you say in the interview oh I'm sure you might have seen a clip of views tiktok or social media I basically said that I'm partial to a married man and they loved it the story of that I have addressed it a few times basically when I worked in finance I met this man we fell in love obviously he was my new hyper fixation and then I found out he had a wife and kids and I dumped him but obviously I oversold it because the producer's like oh you do like married men I was like I fucking love married men because I was getting on that show regardless you know and they ask you questions like what if a girl tried to move to your man i'm like well it's not friend island like no girl can ever take a man from me i didn't mean it but i knew what they wanted me to say like i'm not dumb so i just gave them what they wanted there's a few things firstly how not everyone knows that oh come on it's love life if someone takes your man you're not gonna like have a nice chat no fight for him but but i think no one that's that's confidence like like whether you're meaning to be confident always it's just like no if i'm being so honest here like if someone if someone got me an interview and said that I would be a bit like oh I don't know I'd probably chat about it and like see if like we could like work out some sort of deal like that's what I would have done like having not had the tv experience like having had the tv experience now yeah I know what they want but yeah but being naive to the situation which you were how do you knowing what they want that's unique man I know it is 100 perhaps but then I spoke to Millie Millie said the same thing I think everyone who goes on there is a bit bullsky.

24:19Well, on our season, it was like quite, all of us were like, you can't talk to my man, you know. The married man? Yeah. What a guy. When you find out they have a family. I was heartbroken. I'm sure you were. Yeah. Just another awful person. How did they hide that from you? I mean, sorry to be graphic, but where were you guys like sleeping together? like would you wear like in a hotel and that was not a flag the thumping you've learned i don't see red flags like i just i just want that man so yeah you're literally like i guess this guy lives in a hotel like he obviously just lives in a hotel i thought he was like flexing his cash and i thought great i love hotels wait i don't have common sense when it comes to boys like i'm aware yeah but after like the whatever the fifth time in there we like should we not go like back to like cook food or something like why are we doing i was loving bed and breakfast but this is he would leave okay here we go he would leave and he had quite a good job so he would leave and i would think oh okay like he has to i looking back now i am an idiot you know i'm a fool yeah but whatever you're in love i thought he was amazing like i actually i remember the first time i met him when i went back to work and i said to my friends i was like i believe in love at first i've actually just fallen in love like I can't believe he's not tried to call me yet and then he did the next day but I was so shocked I thought oh my god I love him so I just went with it wow yeah so to go a bit so when you find out he's married it was so bad my manager yeah I literally was in love like I thought wow end game amazing um my manager mentioned it and then I don't know my heart fell out my ass I was at work I was like oh my god what do I do and then he kind of I kind of spoke with him and he was like yeah i thought right well we're done then obviously i think he thought i knew and i obviously was so like dumb because you were taking it back and it's just like man and that was kind of that and you look in that situation that's when anger steps in and you kind of think well i i'm heartbroken i'm hurt i can either just leave this or i can be angry what did you just leave it?

26:36I just left it. It's not worth the egg. And also, my manager was the one to deliver the bad news to me. Like, I'm at work. I have to work. I actually can't make this a big deal. So, yeah, I just left it. Do you know if he saw you on Love Island? Absolutely. No clue. I haven't got a clue. We haven't spoke. So this was when I was like 21, maybe 22. Okay, so you go on Love Island? Yeah. You're the bombshell. When you go in, when you go in as the bombshell, how nerve-wracking is it it was an out-of-body experience i don't know how i did that they kind of said you pull up and they always say to you as well like the pressure's on they say you are not in that villa until you are in that villa like even if you're waiting outside they might turn around and say actually no you know and you don't want to do anything wrong because i thought i'm getting that fucking villa they put me in a port cabin in a porter cabin they have loads well they did I don't know if it's changed but they had like port cabins outside the villa I don't know what for they were like all the way up the road and I was held in there and I had my chaperone and we they don't really they didn't really tell me what was going on I knew I was going to be a bombshell but it was day one so they were all doing the coupling so I must have got there like 3 p.m and I was just sat oh I got my hair and makeup done and I thought yes please I shouldn't have done that I looked unwell but um got my hair and makeup done and then they kind of do the outfit options and then they came around and said okay right so what you're gonna do is you're gonna send a voice note saying you're outside the villa and give the boys an option to come and meet you I thought what you've set me up here just let me walk in and say hello and pull someone for chat so I was like okay obviously I didn't say anything I was like great can't wait that's exactly what I wanted to do today um and then they came around and were making me do this voice note and I was so nervous and I had to be like hey boys I'm outside this voice came out of me I was inside she's like hey boys Chloe here I don't know I've never spoken that way since I don't know yeah hey hey boys Chloe here I'm outside the billow and they're like can you make it sexier I was like no so I did that and then they just led me up they didn't tell me who was coming how many to kind of throw you in what is the experience like being in there like for someone who someone who knows it but also someone who doesn't it's it's pretty real like it's obviously structured in a way i know tv there's producers things this but it's pretty organic pretty real it's a big brother house but sexy fun and with a swimming pool yeah for sure yeah um i think it was just surreal it's much smaller in real life i remember walking and thinking oh my gosh but I think I don't really remember like how I felt during the first week but it's intense and it's like go go go and then I think I kind of clocked on earlier because the producers will pull you in the morning and at night and they kind of suss where your head's up for the day and what you want to do and then perhaps they'll say oh why don't you go and have this chat it's not you need to say this you know what I mean and they'll kind of nudge you along but it was very go go go remember because i didn't really like i got along with the girls but we weren't like besties because obviously i was the first bomb shot they'd already like made their group on the first day so they did that and then um i didn't really have i was probably closest like kaz and lib when i first went in there but then there was a whole situation with toby and cat among pigeons and then millie and lucinda came in and that kind of changed my whole experience because we just got along like from the second we met and then it was just became a lot more like fun and less serious because when you're in there like you're fighting for your life you are right that's exactly what it is yeah and it's intense and you there is a pressure you know to go and speak to that boy and i've met these boys for two days i ain't got a fucking clue who they are oh now i'm showing a bird like it's very you just you've got to take it in your stride and just go go go yeah and you've also you you also think in your head you're like i've made the decision to do this yeah and so now I'm in the situation where I'm now going to be on love island yeah that means that my life back home is going to change in lots of different ways especially from going into like getting a job and things like that because people rightly or wrongly are probably going to view you in a in a different light yeah for sure and so then you're thinking well I have to make this work yeah and I thought you I've got to be in here more than four weeks like I actually knew in my head to make it worth it I haven't got a job when I go home like I've actually got to be in here so yeah that's quite like a defining like thing to have like yeah because I remember when I did Made in Chelsea like I remember that's what my thought process was it was like okay I've decided to go down this show doing a reality show yeah that means this life of going down wealth management or being a broker yeah or whatever I was wanting that's now gone yeah so I've got to make this work yeah and that that was very anxiety I had a lot of anxiety because of that because I I was like, I now have no plan B.

31:36Especially at that age when it's all a lot on the air. It's quite a lot, isn't it? And you're right at the birth of people being famous. On reality TV. That's even more pressure. I feel like people from my season onwards, Love Island been on a minute. There was kind of a blueprint as such. Hooking up with people on camera, weird. Didn't care. I think, no. Have you ever watched yourself? I've watched myself. No. Man, I've watched myself kiss. I look like a dementor. I'm like sort of suck out their soul I'm like what am I doing? I can't do that I physically will not ever be doing that I don't need that embarrassment I can live happily I think because you do it a lot you're just non-stop snogging in there games perhaps you know so you can't really think it's a big deal everyone else is doing it and there's you know 20 of you or whatever and there's you just have to kind of get over it I do remember like I snogged Hugo I thought that was a weird kiss And then you just have to get over it because something else is happening.

32:34You don't have a lot of time for like... What do you mean it was a weird kiss? Because we were in a friendship couple and it was like we were in a challenge and then, you know, we were half naked, covered in pain and then like all of a sudden we're snogging. I was like, oh, okay, let's go. Like it was just very strange. A lot of what we did was strange. It was one where I dressed up like a cat and I had like milk poured over me and then I was snogging again. Like, what the fuck? It was a lot. Oh my God. But people also have sex on it, right? Yeah, shagging was everywhere. Was it really? Yeah. But people don't show it really, do they?

33:11No, they do tell you like, look, we're not shooting a porno. It's Love Island. So you're kind of like, great, well I'll crack on. Great.

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35:07What were you like as a kid? Where did you grow up? I'm from Bicester, so I grew up there. I went to, like, state school. I was, what was I like as a kid? I played sports. That was probably my hyperflexation back there. But I loved school. I was good in school until I was maybe, when I was six, I was at, what's that, 17? Yeah. And then I discovered boys in the park fields with little tinnies of white lighting or whatever. So I started doing that for a bit. And then, yeah. But I think in school, I loved learning. I loved being around everyone. I had an all right group of mates, I suppose. It wasn't like, you know, nothing to report home about.

35:44But if anyone's been to Bista, you'd know there's not really a lot to do. Parents still together? No, they broke up when I was 15. Yeah. That's always the... It's always the kicker. It's always the kicker. But I think I was, I'm the oldest of four. So I think I kind of saw it coming anyways. I wasn't surprised. And then it was like, oh, there's three other kids who are younger than me. So come on, let's get it together. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But can I dig? Yeah, go for it. Because I can feel there's maybe like, there's something, right. My parents got divorced when I was eight. Right. And I remember it like, for some reason, it was like such a, such a big moment like for me and I remember remember the moment where they came and they told me and it was yeah and it's very weird as a child because you think your parents are meant to be together forever yeah and when that doesn't happen it kind of breaks every sort of glass that you think exists and then you don't know what happens next and then you're like a little bit lost and you're like okay well so they're not here they're not in the same house so where do I go and then there's obviously who's your favorite I mean that happened for me it was like oh is mom am I speaking to my mom more am I speaking to my dad more I didn't want anyone to feel left out like it was a whole thing but yeah that is a lot it was but then also where I'm from in Bista like it was like less common if your parents were together like everyone you know something in the water in Bista like most kids in my year parents have been through divorce so it wasn't like shocking and I think I mean my parents weren't the best of friends so it wasn't a shock but then it was just okay well where do I go now like oh am I living here am I living with them I'm like, what's the right thing to do?

37:22And obviously you don't know. And then they're like in the midst of their kind of massive life changing thing. You don't really get all the information, but I suppose you wouldn't as a kid. Yeah, you don't. And you're kind of left in the dark. And that's the thing when people go through breakups is they, because they're dealing with their own situation, they're sort of forgetting about what's happening with the kids. And that's because the kids are going to school, you're playing sport, whatever it is. You forget, but actually it's pretty hard that whole time. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not nice, is it?

37:52Your whole life changes. You don't know what's going to happen next. Obviously, I had younger brothers and sisters. Like, my youngest brother, he's 10 years younger than me. Like, he was a kid. So it was just like, oh, God, where are we going? Like, we didn't know where we were going to live. I remember that being, like, such a big thing. But then I suppose, and then everyone else in the family gets involved, and it's like you're kind of being dragged everywhere. It was just, it was, like, really chaotic. but I actually after Love Island when I went to go see the um ADHD man and he was asking me about when I was like 17 to 19 I can't remember it and I wonder if that's a knock-on well that's what he decided he was like oh after your parents divorced and the dust settled I actually really can't remember what happened in those years I know I had some sort of boyfriend and like knew where I lived but then I was thinking you know day-to-day like nothing significant sticks out and he was like well surely there's some things like everyone's got things every year that stick out I was like honestly no and I called my friends like from school and they're like oh do you remember this remember this I was like fuck yeah I haven't thought about that obviously since I was like 16 17 like could you just block it out so that's I think that's what happened like I don't remember the intricacies of like after the divorce or like when I was kind of in sixth form and then I remember going to uni so all of that period is kind of don't know I know it was messy and I know like it was very discombobulated with like my parents I've obviously just decided no I don't I don't remember that moment.

39:10Yeah. Yeah, I actually had therapy. And when I was in the therapy, the therapist started asking me, saying, what happened when my parents got divorced? What happened? I went, oh, yeah, well, I then was sent away to a boarding school. Right. And they said, well, what happened at boarding school? And I couldn't remember. I got close. Yeah, I could remember being in, I could remember, like, being in the dormitory, but I don't really remember. I remember playing a bit of sport, but I couldn't remember anything at all, which was quite strange. And so then the therapist said, well, you should probably bring in one of your parents to talk about it.

39:43And so I brought my mum in. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah, which was really interesting. And we sat with each other and she said, do you remember this? Do you remember this holiday? And I went, oh yeah, I haven't. I do remember that, but I don't really remember what happened. But then I think for me what happened was is that because I had locked it in so much and I had just protected myself, it kind of came out many years later in a probably negative way. Oh, really? Yeah, a little bit. But I like dealt with anxiety and just drank a lot through it. Oh, yeah, that's me. That's actually me. Yeah. I feel like I've been doing that for years.

40:18Yeah, but it's fun. Like Dutch courage. You can only do so much. And I'm starting to realize it. Yeah, no, I definitely do that. I've dabbled in therapy. But I always find, I'm, you know, I don't know why I've got this opinion. They are too nice. I could tell them I beat up an old lady On Saturday And she'd be like There was a reason you did that Have compassion for yourself And I'm like No I know it's bad Why have I done this bad thing And they just kept doing it I thought I'm telling you really bad things And like you know I'm ashamed I know I'm ashamed But like why Why am I doing this And then she'd be like You're thinking too much on it I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm actually trying to tell you They've done something bad here Yeah So no I'm having a break at the minute Maybe I'll go back wait what kind of bad things that do you think you've done that you were like do you what things do you regret if you look back on it because i can tell you some things i've done yeah i think especially when i came out of love island i spiraled i loved partying and i'd go out until whatever time and then i wouldn't show up the next day or the way that i kind of deal with my brothers and sisters say i really lack empathy which really surprises me because none of my friends or anyone would say that i think after love island there was kind of a whole thing going with my family which I won't delve too much into but I was just like just get over it just get over it like why are you so bothered now I look back I'm like when I was speaking to the therapist I was like why do I not have time for people's problems like what is why do I not want to take that on she was like just have compassion I thought no no that's not helping me that's not helping me no maybe I'll go from her I'll get over it so so great so you you go to university where do you go to university I live a bowl good fun the most fun ever in the whole world that place should be studied it doesn't sleep do you know what I mean like you can go out all day every day if you want and I did but I've not been back there since left my peace with that place love you Liverpool but not that much yeah it was so much fun I loved it did you go into halls or anything like that or did you go I did I um I went to uni of and I think I wasn't gonna I did much better than anyone thought I would do in my A-levels.

42:30I just randomly pulled it out of the bag. So I was going to go to Trent or Bournemouth to do marketing. Then I got my result. They weren't amazing, but they were, you know, way more than I needed to go to the other university. So I went through adjustment, not clearing. I went up. Let's go. Yeah, yes. I did a little Google. Where's Best Marketing UK? And it was like Newcastle, Liverpool. So I don't know. I just said, oh, Liverpool is. Called them up and they were like, yeah, we'll see you in a year. I thought, great. So I was taking a gap here anyways. because I had to earn some money I didn't go traveling or find myself but yeah then I went there I didn't even visit I just looked what's the nicest halls and it was like crown place I got great I'll stay there so I went there obviously I hadn't come from like a minted background or anything I turned up and it was all like everyone's got loads of money like very unrelatable very posh or like not for me and I thought oh what am I doing here it's very strange year but my friend who I knew from before going to uni we worked together and she was at the other hall so I just met her and we made loads of friends that way so you're at you're at Liverpool you meet all the posh people yes hells yeah what did you think of posh people it was a culture shock you know if someone's be like where do you summer and I was like England sometimes Portugal up to you do you know what I mean I didn't come from like you know my background isn't I would say we were all right like well off my dad did well but then when my mom split like that was a whole tumultuous thing so it's not like it didn't go without holidays and you know whatever but then meeting like rich rich people it just blows your mind and they just had like four phones new apple max like cool some of them had louis vuitton bags for their laptop and i was like this is insane this is insane so i bought a fake and i wore it every day yeah so i did that no it was a lot but and and it's a bit of a shock is i like because shock i came from yeah i'm not surprised you did mention boarding school just to let you know no loads of my best friends i went to boarding school like i think i can get in with them but when i first met them it was just like the abundance of things you know we go to desk guys and they were like actually paying seven pound chicken breast fillets and i thought I'm getting 16p into me.

44:46Come on. What does it make you feel? Because I'm going to tell you my experience, right? So when I first got to Leeds, I remember I went into my, I did drama at Leeds and I got into my first, whatever it was, and we were talking and one of the girls came up and she said, you're posh. And I went, okay, and I'm like 19. I didn't even really know what the hell's going on. And she said, I want to ask you a question. You went to boarding school, right? And I went, yeah. And she went, I went to a state school, but we're both at the same place. Yeah. So why do your parents pay for your school? and I went oh I don't really know but what I what I felt from my position was that I felt almost at the beginning that I was sort of targeted because for being posh really but what's interesting is that obviously from the flip side of it there's an insecurity as well because someone isn't considered posh and so both sides are feeling insecure but no one's really talking about it and that kind of feels like maybe the experience that you had as well does that make sense no it completely does make sense but I also think when I was at uni more people were posh than they weren't like they you know maybe that was just the circles I was in but more people were like quite well off like that I'd met so it wasn't I thought maybe it was the other way but also like what am I going to do you speak better than me great I can mimic you and I can also speak really great like do you know what I mean I just it was just it wasn't shocking maybe it was but it was I was consumed by it.

46:10I loved, like, all the tales that they had, and I thought it was amazing. I thought, yeah, I want to ski every year, and I want to go to Thailand for all Christmas. Like, I wasn't jealous. You know, I thought, oh, I want to do that too. Yeah. So, yeah. But now all my best friends are. Gosh. Wait, but do you have a boyfriend at uni? I was in a five-year situation ship from hell. Hell itself gave me that. I must have done something awful in the past. Yeah. So we met when I was in the first week of uni and then that went on through uni and afterwards. But yeah, it was bad. But I think when you're in the thing, you just don't know why you do that.

46:45I was obsessed with this boy. I thought he was amazing. And he was just going to cheat on me. Well, we weren't together and he bloody reminded me. And I just forgave him and forgave him and forgave him. All of my friends said it was awful, but I was just in the thick of it. But for five years I did that, which was intense. I know. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. yeah but you shouldn't also like brush over like that so many people have that yeah when you fall deeply in love with someone yeah and they are just everything and they know that they can do whatever so they do you know they do just treat you awfully but I think not that it had to happen I'm kind of glad it did because after that like I don't take shit anyone like I'll never ever and now when I see other people putting out with it I just I don't understand like come on let's just leave but everyone was thinking that when I was with him but no that was it was bad and i would like spend so he lived in london at the time obviously i was at uni liverpool every like friday i would drive down to london to see him and then come back on sunday like that's a fucking long trip do you know what i mean but i don't actually know why i liked him so much oh man i could i can like feel like because i just i i i had my own like heartbreak experience when i was really young but it wasn't like that there was no team but i The heartbreak is just the worst feeling of the world.

48:01It's character-defining. And also, if you have ADHD, the hyper-focus. Oh, yeah, it's limerence, isn't it? So I just, you know, I was stuck, to be honest. And then it broke down in lockdown. And something just snapped in my head. And I was like, oh, my God, I hate you, girl. I just never spoke to you again. How funny is that? It's like a light switch, isn't it? No, that's literally what happened. And I couldn't explain it because we'd argued 10 billion times. we blocked each other well i never blocked him because obviously i felt like i couldn't but he blocked me 10 million times like and then i just woke up and i thought i hate you get out and that was done sounds quite controlling from him it was v v bad i'd actually say he was narcissist like an actual narcissist it was insane there's a um there's a really interesting guy called john ronson who um wrote a book called uh the psychopath guide or something like that and We'll find out the name.

48:57It was called A Guide to a Psychopath or something. I actually interviewed him. Wow. Yeah, and I interviewed him with my friend Spencer Matthews, who after that has diagnosed himself as a psychopath, slight narcissist, right? Really? Yeah, and I asked Don Rott, I said, if Spencer is a narcissist, what would be your advice? And he said, don't be friends with him. On the podcast. It's called The Psychopath Test. is it out I'm so good you should you should watch that for sure yeah it's a great thing and you should read the book because lots of people are in relationships with perhaps narcissists or and you don't realize that you're in the relationship until afterwards when you look back and you're like what was I doing because it's so manipulating it's so consuming it's so controlling yeah that you almost feel like you're the one doing something wrong oh my god I was apologizing all the time and it was it it's so bad but if he was in a bad mood wouldn't speak to me I could not function and I can remember one time I don't I think I'd gone on an hour and not answered my phone and um he then where was I I think I was living in London at dawn either way he'd gone for me and he was like wow you're blocked you slag and I felt like I was actually having like a heart attack and I drove to my mum's and I was just on the floor in pieces she couldn't pick me up my brother at this huge football tournament she took me in the car and I was screaming in the car crying and then he was having a football tournament and I was crying floods of tears on floor because he wouldn't speak to me so I remember I took my mum's phone and I was like one for one like please please please me like how has that actually ever happened like why did I care it should be studied but yeah like it was so bad and that was just every weekend that was stuff like that would happen oh it's awful and then I remember I went on his laptop I spoke about this in my pod but um I went on his laptop and I saw an actual gallery of like videos pictures of him just like with other girls so I was like oh my god this is awful so i called him like come back from jim and then i cried and i drove home and then he didn't try me talking like he had the audacity the man was insane he didn't even try and call me or whatever i called him and i was like oh i'm so sorry for leaving like i look back on it now i think what the fuck chloe like so bad by the way you shouldn't feel ashamed by any of that like i like i know because i think there's a tendency i think there's a tendency especially because you're obviously i can like you're you're a strong woman right you're you're opinionated you're strong you don't take any shit now and so looking back at that version of yourself you you obviously it's very easy for someone to be pissed off with themselves for allowing someone to do that to them yeah but but i don't think you should ever feel that and not that you do but i think there are a lot of people probably listening now who are going through something similar who have been through something similar yeah who probably are pissed off with themselves or ashamed or whatever it is you never should be because it's just life is shit sometimes Yeah, sometimes life is really shit.

51:49It's just five years was such a long time. I always wondered, like, why on earth did that happen? But it did. And thank God he's gone now.

52:04When you leave the show, how does your life change? like the it was insane i think we were quite lucky though so it was not covid's lucky but we left and we had to isolate or quarantine because we'd flown from a different country and we all had to get tested so we had like five days at home with our family to just settle in and just do nothing because you weren't allowed to leave the house so i just went home chilled kind of took it all in was on social media such a high such a high it's insane like we were in the airport and people like taking pictures yeah this is crazy but we didn't do the rounds of like interviews and stuff because we couldn't leave our house and then i think like maybe a week later it was like talk of management i think it's a bit different now because i think you leave and they hold you in london then you're doing all radio and gmb and all that we didn't do any of that because obviously we couldn't leave the house but that was a mental five days and then i remember we went out in public and it was just in sight like people asking for your pictures people secretly filming i went to tesco with no makeup on and this girl was like oh my god i had the camera in my face like what the fuck is going on exciting thrilling but also yeah yeah i loved it good on you man for saying that do you know what someone always said to me they were like um doing made in chelsea i remember we were going around a circle and we were asked like early days why have you done made in chelsea and everyone was giving an answer like oh i wanted to do it because of like i thought it was a great social experiment to find out what humans do i was like what the fuck is everyone saying i was like i just wanted to get laid and like be a bit famous like that's what i and i couldn't believe that people were trying to find an excuse what are they getting out of that yeah good on you claire because lots of people don't say that a lot of the time oh they should come on yeah also these days like well i'm going on there to meet the lovely life no one is doing that anymore we weren't doing it it just it is weird though because you're in this environment and it's so intense and you do love that person so i can vouch for it but my intentions were just to go on and get famous.

54:01Yeah. You know, but obviously I had a different journey, but yeah. Did you fall in love with Toby? Yeah, I was in love with him for sure. It's very, like, I think everyone in there was in love. Like your emotions are just... Highthened. But it's like, you know, oh my God, I love this boy with every single ounce of my being. It's like, you don't have that in normal life. You don't feel that way when you meet someone for a couple of dates. Like it's very different. When you, you know, there's a big thing with reality TV as well, right? is like and I get this question a lot but I have to throw it around to like both of us like that aftercare right because we we really like what happens is on reality tv is you go and do the show and it's everything you have your food done you have this done you have that done you come out and you're famous and you do this and that and with all these things like there are only a certain few people who who break through that surface and continue in this incredible world of entertainment um you of course have done that and all the things you really have and and and you're killing it right but there are some people who don't do that and this life is tough and scary and unpredictable um and then people do get themselves in i understand and i can't like i've been really really fortunate and it is kind of i it's more maybe the expectations i set for myself i was either gonna go all in or i was gonna fall on my ass and i was determined to make it work but you have no idea what the audience think of you I had no idea if I was doing well or if I wasn't well so when I came out it was I was you know overjoyed that I'd done better but you don't understand the public's perception and it's not a 24 7 live feed unfortunately and editing etc so some people do get dealt a bad hand but you did sign up to do it in a way I don't know it's tough but did you did you when you came out did you get did you feel anxiety or worry or stress or anything like that i think the first three months were just an absolute blur it was just an absolute whirlwind you know i was all of a sudden going to dubai and like l.a and always i'd never been i was working like jd it was like my life was a movie you almost like you get on this treadmill i think and you're just waking up and going through the motions you don't actually sit back can take it all in and then I think anxiety definitely crept but maybe it was after my ADHD diagnosis I started to become more aware of like me and myself and then anxiety just creeps in and then you have more time you the first six months are just a big blur like if you kind of make it to the final you don't take a minute and then after that I kind of had more time and then you start to look at the comments and you're just so self-conscious anyways because you think everyone's looking at you all of a sudden so I'm just more aware of like me myself what I'm saying what I'm doing so then anxiety like crept in but I think maybe in the past two years because the more obviously you do the more you get like attention and comments and stuff the past two years I've definitely had like awful anxiety have you yeah but it's not uncommon yeah you know it's not debilitating I just know and you know double black coffee in the morning doesn't help and I'm very aware but it's I don't know whether it's just me giving myself tough love it's part and parcel like I asked for this and you know okay cool if I feel anxious then you just do yeah no I I I totally hear what you're saying I think it it is one of those things I also think you know my wife Sophie said to me once which I because for some reason I don't admit and I don't want to generalize this but from only from my personal view I don't I don't care about comments like i don't care i actually lean into i find it funny if someone makes fun of my appearance whatever i it doesn't phase me maybe that's so good maybe because i've done it for i've done it made whatever it was but sophie and it all makes me so upset even though sophie once she was very upset and i said and sophie's tough cookie right she's like tough and she said i'm i'm starting to believe the comments that made me so sad and i went you're kidding me this you you're you're believing what these people are saying and she said it was about a couple years ago and it made me realize that actually especially maybe as a woman people can be really hard yeah it's it's disgusting and I actually was saying the other day I wish I could just filter out people you know the girls are welcome on my page unless you are over like 45 and you just hate me but it's it's what I've noticed is it's men and boys not every single one but when you start seeing the comments the way they objectify you and they think you're dumb and they call you a slag like it's so disgusting and degrading and frustrating i just want them off like go away i put up a tiktok the other day saying oh i've had a really good weekend so i managed to go to the f1 and i'd read two books and they the comments under it are disgusting and like dumb slag and i just but the abundance of it's got like 3.2 million views and all the comments are disgusting i thought what the fuck has my tiktok done to you for you to take time of your day and then i was looking at them they're all men or boys i think get off go away fuck them no fuck them i wish they need a filter to get rid of i would just love the girls and the gates yeah and i'd have a lovely time but but you know you just and for anyone who like any comments like and this like relates to like it's really tough because you're in the public eye so people feel they have like they have they can comment which is firstly one thing but then I think about kids at school who are getting online bullied just because, I don't know, whatever they wore a pink jumper and someone wants to take the piss and as humans we have to realise that we now live in this space where people just love to comment about it but those people are idiots they're morons and it doesn't mean you're a brilliant, wonderful, beautiful person give a shit one of those things it's scientific, isn't it?

59:53we look for negative bias even if there's loads and loads of comments I'll see one and that's it and I started commenting back I thought if you're allowed to comment on me I'll comment on you too you bite back and I'm thinking no meet me outside I'm not saying that but they'll say oh you're so ugly and I say oh post a selfie or yeah if I haven't got time I am replying now it's time to take a stand

1:00:19you want a new relationship I am I am poor bloke no he's good he's good you're in love I am I really, really am. He's just like the nicest, best person ever. Yeah, I know. Let's go. He's so different to anyone I've ever been with. So it's good at the moment. And I know you don't like talking about it because you want to keep it kind of private, right? I mean, every day I say this and I wake up and I just share more on the internet. So ask away, I'll answer questions. What do you love about him? He is so understanding and he's selfless and he really kind of gets me. I think I'm quite hard to deal with because my mood really, really, really fluctuates.

1:00:59So I know I can be a bit of a handful, but he just completely gets it. Knows exactly what I need in that moment. And he just, you know, does everything for me. Not that I don't do stuff for him, but even this morning getting up, he went downstairs and cleaned the kitchen. I thought, you don't even live here. That's amazing. Wow. Clean the kitchen. What a guy. Ten points, man. Yes, yes. Wow. Yeah. We do gold stars. Fuck, I need to run home. Yeah. We do gold stars and devil stars. Do you? Yeah. Wait, come on, give me this. What do you mean? Okay, so if he does something good, he gets a gold star.

1:01:32But if he does something annoying, devil star. You've got a devil star. And where do the stars go? Is it metaphorical? Well, I might start doing it on post-its, but I'll just say it to him like, that's bad, devil star. But it's a good way, like, perhaps I'm really in a mature relationship. It's a good way for me to communicate that you actually do my fucking head in. Because before I go zero to a hundred and I just scream it in. But now it's like, oh, devil star. That is a great way. Yeah. So he knows. This is interesting actually because Sophie went 0 to 100. Yeah. And she would admit it. She goes 0 to 100.

1:02:03Oh, yeah. And then what would happen is I would then react because I didn't understand that there's been little things that I've irritated her throughout this entire time. So my experience was like suddenly 0 to 100. And I was like, hang on a second. Why has that happened? Her experience is, no, no, you've done all of these little things and now I'm annoyed. Yes. And so the communication is so key. So now I've realized that I do a lot of devil stickers. You do devil stars. Devil stars. So does he. I do think that when you kind of have your honeymoon period, and then you get the, is this actually going to work period, and you just notice all the, it's not red flags.

1:02:39It's just little, you know, annoying things I don't like. But he obviously knows some about me. And I thought, I wasn't saying, I thought, no, he's a godsend. He's a godsend. He's a godsend. He just did one annoying thing. I think he asked me the same question twice. I just let him have it I was like oh my god shut up I can be saying fucking question all fucking time I'm hung up I felt really bad but now it's like oh okay devil star why are you asking me devil star you've done something annoying that's how you communicate that's a great way of doing it it's a very immature bit it's working it works well it's working yeah you said your mood sometimes your mood can go oh yeah for sure I mean changes by the hour I get up I'm tired I'm kind of annoyed but then you might say something nice and then maybe it's very hot in the UK at the moment I'm in hell I hate it I hate it so I'm automatically in a bad mood and then if he's calling me because he's on the way to work I just think what's the fucking point you're calling me right now and he doesn't you know so then I'm annoyed but then you know maybe an hour later I'm actually ready for work I'm on time I'm fine and I'm calling him bye bye you okay and he's like what the fuck man he actually thinks I'm but he's so used to it now it's a rollercoaster sometimes yeah but I think it has to do with like whether I'm overstimulated or not it's not like I'm bored.

1:03:53When there's lots of people in a room and all that, does that make you feel too overstimulated sometimes? Yeah, I can't do it for long periods of time. Going to a festival is a reminder of hell. So if we're in a really busy, loud restaurant, I'll be all right for a bit, but then I think it'll just start ticking over and I won't be having the best time. So many things you're saying is what happens with my wife. Yeah, 100%, which I've had to learn. like Sophie's like you she's like extroverted but also can be introverted she likes her own time and what I didn't realize she gets overstimulated by stuff so if she's overstimulated that's when she gets really frustrated and I didn't realize that before so then her frustration she's just very outward frustrated so she would say things and so now I've realized actually the frustration isn't at me it's about the scenario but I'm the outlet I'm the one who's getting it and so I had to learn all of those things yeah no for sure if I'm really I just think your patience just disappears when you're overstimulated and you can't especially if you can't remove yourself from that situation even the other day I was in the garden I was trying to read my book I love reading at the moment and it was one million degrees and then my neighbors were just playing music so fucking loud and then my dad called me I was like oh can you just call me back and you just snap it's just too much on your plate at that time but it you know it's not necessarily loud cars and shouting it's just random things.

1:05:13But you have the self-awareness to know that you're doing it as well when you snap. Yeah, well, I'll apologize an hour later. Like, I don't know, in that moment, I just see red. And then an hour later, I'm like, fuck, sorry, like, whatever. If someone's listening to this right now, right, who is a fan of yours, is in a relationship, if they're going through a tough relationship, what would your advice be to them? What do you mean by tough? As in something that you went through, where you feel like they know they're in a relationship that's probably not right for them. Yeah. That they are being walked all over, maybe they've been cheated on.

1:05:40What would you say? I just think as I'm a lot older, you know, done bad things, had bad things done to me, you just have to, it's almost like what's worth your time? Would you rather spend longer being absolutely miserable or would you rather change it and just make the best of what you've got? Like if something happened in my, I was so hesitant about getting into a relationship I'm in now because I was so scared about everything that happened. I was kind of on a bit of a whirlwind, whatever. But now I just think, fuck it. This is what makes me happy today and this week. so this is what I'm doing and I'm not hurting anyone I'm just going to be happy and this is what I'm choosing if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out who knows but just choose yourself always put yourself first which is maybe bad advice I don't know but it works to me you have your new show I do Love in the Wild yes okay tell us about it okay so it's with Untold working with the same production team who I did my first one with so it's amazing all women part of the people and we looked at basically there's a huge shift with Gen Z who are not is keen on using online dating, like dating apps anymore.

1:06:43So it's a big shift to doing it in real lives. So like speed dating based on hobbies, ditching the dating apps. And I just thought it was amazing. I love to let people are doing that now. Like dating apps are a lot. They're not going anywhere. They're, you know, a staple in society. They're not going to be eradicated, but. But they feel like a hookup mechanism rather than like an actual sort of long-term relationship thing. For me, I never use a dating app. I've never used one, ever. Oh, ever? Never. Wow, well done. I've never ever used one and I don't I think I mean I probably would now if I like I would use it but I never used it because I used to do the old I used to go up to people in restaurants and ask for the number So you're confident then Well I just thought there's nothing to lose I basically when I was younger I was sitting on this I always had this mind I sat on the rocks with this girl and I never kissed her and then years later when we were like 16 she said why didn't you kiss me and I went what?

1:07:35And she had a boyfriend I was like I can't now I can't now I was like what? And so from that moment on, I thought, well, if I ever fancy someone or think someone's beautiful or whatever it is, I'd always ask them. That's so good. And also it's always a compliment. When someone walks up to you and says, you're a beautiful person, it's a compliment, right? It depends who it is. And in the circumstances, let's not encourage everyone to just approach people, you know. But I love the old fashioned way. I mean, I went on like a couple dating apps. I didn't go anywhere. And when I was single after Love Island, I tried to get on break.

1:08:07I had 37 referrals and they wouldn't let me on there. How would you do it? I don't have the app, obviously, but I had 37 referrals. Anyone I would meet, I'd be like, get me on there. And I got on. So I didn't really do it. But I do prefer meeting someone, you know, in person. Yeah. And that's how I met my boyfriend now. Like we met in person. Where did you meet? We actually met, he's actually Liam, Liam and Millie's. He's his like really, really good friend. So we met a few years ago. I've kind of always known him, but we were both in Australia at the same time at Christmas. We just fell in love there.

1:08:41No, we were the only single ones. So there you go. So it's convenient. Yeah. It worked out for me. So the new show, so you basically go and experience what it's like to go on dates and different scenarios. Like what, you do speed dating? Yeah, I did speed dating. I heard there's like a tantric dating. Well, I did tantric dating. What is tantric dating? It was very intense. So I didn't really know too much about tantra and whatever. I kind of just went in a bit blindfolded, didn't do a lot of Googling. Yeah. Perhaps I should have. So Andrew's all about touch and like experiencing things together and almost like a meeting of the mind.

1:09:16So we did like one circle of boys, one circle of guys. And every like few minutes you do an activity with the person in the circle. So one was like just staring at each other for two minutes. Get out of here. And then one was, you know, holding hands and hugging. And then one was, oh, it was so embarrassing. It was like dancing to Kesha for two minutes. I was sober. Oh, my God. I was sober. And it was like, yeah, yeah, and Timba. I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Oh, my God. It was just very out of my comfort zone. That is out of it. But the people in there were loving it. Like, they were all exchanging numbers at the end.

1:09:48Like, it obviously works for some people, which is great. More people should do it if you like touching. I reckon you'd be quite good on a first date. No. Come on. Bad. Really? I have no game. Get out of here. What do you mean? I think you would have game. No, it's more like an interrogation from me. Okay, so role play. So we go on a date together. Yeah. Okay, so I come and sit down. Do I know you? Yeah, you know, we know each other. Yeah. We've been set up. Oh, great. Okay, so I've arrived late. Yeah. Only a little bit late, okay? But I've arrived in there. So I'm going, sorry I'm late. Hey, how are you?

1:10:24Yeah, really good. How are you? Good. Why were you late? I already feel hostility. See, I'm pretty like, I'm already on the back foot. And I'm probably four drinks in a bit anyways. So good luck. You don't have, you must have game. You must. No, my boyfriend notoriously says to me, I'm incapable of flirting. I will say like, you look nice. And I mean that, you look nice. You know, I'm not saying, oh, you look really sexy in them jeans. Like, I won't do that. But it's amazing that these documentaries that you're making, this is amazing surely then this is where the place we want to spread out and do more right?

1:11:05I would love to I think with the two that I've done so far it's been like quite immersive so the first one I loved because we kind of pulled a little prank on the press and pretended I had boyfriends at a pat pics that was so fun and then this one it was me actually like getting my teeth stuck into dating and I went rock climbing day and I was actually climbing rocks I mean who would have thought I love the way you can get your teeth really yeah it was a good day no one wanted to like be on camera for that one which is fine but I want to do more things but I think I'd like to move away from like the dating well like me dating I mean obviously I can't date now I have a boyfriend but I'd like to do you've done that you've done that you've done that area you know love islands let's go dating it's a lot of what I've done is dating and stuff I'm getting a bit old for it Do you think because of Love Island and because of those things you get sometimes put into a box?

1:12:01Yeah, there's so much stigma around it I'm actually quite proud of it but it's very hard to break away from Love Island there's only a few that have really done it I'd say like Kem, Molly May, Liv Atwood they've really you know them for everything else they've kind of done now it's hard it is hard but but also yeah that you know that takes it takes time to do that but also i'm so glad that you're proud of it as well like same with me i'm so proud of the roots that i've done and if you and why like forget what we've done like love islands are an amazing show yeah and like people don't realize like you're there for eight weeks being filmed every single day you need the energy and the charisma and everything that is a hard gig it's a hard people just think Because you're just acting yourself.

1:12:51It's kind of easy, but it's not. No. It was like boot camp for TV that, you know, any show after is probably a lot easier. Oh, there's Slaves Go Dating. Did you do Slaves Go Dating? No. I never did. That is fucking gaffed. Is it really? That was a lot. I thought it was more intense than Love Island. Are you serious? It was up so, it's all in like West Ken and I lived in Essex and it was like, in the morning we've got this, then you've got the dating agent, then you've got this. And I was like, oh, I'm so tired. I can't talk anymore. I don't want to date anyone. Yeah, I'm so darn. Yeah, no, that was gone.

1:13:24Kari, man, you're so great. Thank you. I've enjoyed like every moment of this. Me too. I love how open you are. And I think, especially the people in this industry, that honesty and that openness and that authenticness is so key. And we live in this world of like filters all the time that we have to pretend what we are. And that's just not, being real and true is really important. So I really appreciate it. Well, very easy to chat to. No, you're the best. You did my thing where it's like, I'll tell you if you tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah, we just did it together. We like to end the conversation with eight questions.

1:13:55Are you ready for this? Oh my God, okay, go. What's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up? Ooh. What's a saying or phrase? What, like dinner time or something like that? Yeah, it's ready. Yeah, dinner's ready. I'm not very one for like quotes or stuff like that. Best compliment anyone's ever given you? Ooh, someone on Snapchat said to me that I'm like a rom-com in real life. And I thought, that's really good. I feel like I am. That is nice. What scares you most about yourself? Drunk Chloe. Don't know that woman. She should be locked up. Do you have an alter ego name for it? Claire.

1:14:30Miss Claire. She loves arguing, fighting, sleeping and swearing. She's horrific. Has Claire ever done anything really bad? What do you mean? She's not good. She's awful. I'm just once I have one drink I have ten like I'm not I'm all or nothing but there's always a drink around so it's always Claire what's Claire's favourite drink? oh spicy margarita mmm let's go they're good let's go when was the last time you cried? I cry all the time I love crying when's the last time I cried? oh last week but it was at like TikToks you know when army soldiers come home that's mine really? I swear to god they just kill me it's unbelievable every time and they hide behind them that's the thing I watch all the time or like the kids in school and they run and they're like oh my god I don't know anyone who's been to war but I relate to it I'm like wow I would love that if that was me and someone came back from war

1:15:36I know onto the pets have you seen the pets when they come home and their dogs recognize it yeah that's what they've known in their pages or they walk past them and they smell them and they suddenly start to realize and they don't really know what's going on. Good stuff. Man, that gets me. What's something you can't let go of?

1:15:54I don't know. I think I kind of just let go of a lot of things. Oh, drunk Chloe. She won't go away. She sticks with you. What's your guilty pleasure? I just love anything with Marmite. I'll eat it with a spoon. I did it this morning. Because I like a bagel with Marmite, so I do that. And then what else is my... You eat it with a spoon? Ah, hells yes. Delicious. Butter underneath or just straight up? Depends on the day. No way. Today I was making a bagel and then I just like spooned it in my mouth and then I had a bagel. It's quite like... Yeah, it's intense. It's like a private. It's quite party or like, oh my God, that's in your teeth as well.

1:16:33It's a good wake-up call. Yeah. My, my. My, my. Let's fricking go. Okay. What turns you off? Bad manners, no sense of drive, have turtleneck skinny jeans black trainers with socks up repulsive dirty train up loads loads dirty trainers are repulsive turtleneck violently against them and when they pair it with like you know the check trousers what the fuck i hate that do you know what i mean oh my god i have a picture of me wearing check trousers i always want to get it up i always want to get it i saw it the other day and I was like what is that I'm wearing that's an intense outfit it was like an MIC scene Jemima like tartan trousers yeah yeah oh my god I could find a picture of it that is so freaking funny we'll find it somewhere what tannas you on um I like it to start you know don't just rub your boner on me I love a good snog like a good tongue snog that's good for me I'm a good tongue snog is so underrated.

1:17:43The art of snogging is lost. Thank you. You know, people have got hard tongues out here. Like, go away. Yeah. What do you like most about yourself? Oh, I think my sense of humour. It's quite good. Come on. Chloe, you're the best. I can't wait to watch your documentary and just see you go from strength to strength. You've also got your podcast, which is so funny. Yes. The podcast is called... Chloe vs. The World. Everyone should go and check it out. And everything you're doing, you're amazing. Really appreciate this. Thank you so much. You're the best. Thank you for having me. That was so good.

1:18:20Wow, I told you it'd be good. Whoa, awesome. Oh, yeah. That was fun. Have you ever dated a married man? No. Have you? No. But I would consider it. No, I wouldn't. You are a married man. I'm a married man, but I'm not dating myself. Yeah. She is... I'm a married man, and I'm not dating myself. Good, good. Thank you very much. Glad to hear it. She was great. fabulous amazing and afterwards we did a little TikTok TikTok TikTok so you can go and check that out but the TikTok was doing maths she's a genius at maths Jamie lost his mind she is so good at maths but I couldn't believe how good she was it was I mean that is a real talent and then afterwards she was like what can I do with that you know and you're like honestly so many things so many things like what can I do with this being really good at mental maths she's like a human calculator so many things she could work in a shop she could yeah she could be a builder be a builder she could be an accountant she could be a maths teacher I mean there are so many opportunities out there for her why is she not doing those things I don't know but go and check it out on our social media and also as Jemima said go and check us out on YouTube where you can see the whole video as well yeah that's what I said in last week's episode actually yeah you did okay guys thank you so much for listening for watching and we will see you next week for another episode of Great Company

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