JACK WHITEHALL: THE TIME I PUSHED MY FATHER TOO FAR

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2:09Hello, everyone. My name is Jamie Lang, and this is Great Company.

2:17Hello. Hello, Jemima Goodwin. Goodwin? Oh, my God. Who is that? It's my really old friend. It's my really old friend. Who is she? Jemima Goodwin is a girl I've known since I was 12 years old. You are Jemima, not Goodwin, but shall I say your surname? I think we've said it before. Rathbone. Yeah, it's not that exciting. Jemima's dad used to teach me at my school. He did not teach you at my school. Mr Rathbone. He didn't. Well, there was a Mr Rathbone at my school, and I'm convinced it was your dad. He really wasn't my dad. How are you today? I'm all right. I'm a bit tired, you know. Yeah, Monday, that can happen.

2:50We're recording this on a Monday. We're recording this on a Monday. Not when you're listening to this on a Monday. because you could be listening to it on a Monday. Yeah, you can listen to it any day you like. You're tired? That's okay. Well, don't worry. You can sit and relax and listen to this amazing guest today because we have Mr. Jack Whitehall. Oh, hang on. Who are you? Oh, sorry. My name is Jamie Lang. I'm the host of this podcast. And I'm Jemima, the producer, and I produce the podcast. We do this little ramble at the top to understand who we are. Today's guest, very exciting, is Jack Whitehall.

3:19Jack is a comedian. He's an entertainer. He's a Hollywood movie star. An entertainer. He's an entertainer. He is a dad. He's a boyfriend. He's a friend. A son. He's all of those things. And Jack has... A boy. A man. And Jack is coming on the podcast today, which is really exciting. A few little things for you here. Go on. I find it difficult to interview friends. Is he a friend? Yes. Very good friend, I would say. More like family. Okay, explain that. How people don't know. So Jack's sister is someone called Molly. Molly is married to one of my best friends who was best man at my wedding. I went to university with Toby.

3:59This is the Toby who, if you've listened to previous episodes, you sometimes mention there's a story. Oh, yeah. When you felt lost. Yeah, I felt very lost. I was having a very tricky time and I didn't tell anyone because I close up whenever I talk about my real emotions. And I decided one day to phone my friend Toby and say to him that I wasn't feeling great. and I was worried about his response and he listened to me and then said, don't worry, we'll go through it together. That's Jack's brother-in-law. And that's Jack's brother-in-law. Yes. So Jack and I have become great friends and more like family, weirdly.

4:33I'm not sure why, but we are more like family. And so I hope he's going to be vulnerable, but I don't know if he is. I hope he's going to... You love it when they're vulnerable. I just like them opening up because... Yeah, fair. Otherwise you just have a surface level chat and what's the point of that, really? That's what this bit is. Yeah, this is what this bit is. Alan de Bottin, last episode, said, actually people want to be asked how they're feeling, what they're this, what they're that. That's really what people want to be asked, and I love asking that. So that's what I like asking in the interviews.

5:03But I can't imagine you guys won't have a little bit of a laugh. I think we're going to laugh quite a lot, to be honest. There's lots of things that happen which have been really funny, so I can't wait for it. So ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, please welcome to Great Company, Mr Jack Whitehall. I'm Jack Whitehall and I am Grey Company no that is not good dog I'm Jack Whitehall and I am Grey Company is that okay no I'm Jack Whitehall and I am Grey Company you know we're potentially going to shoot a TikTok as well after this just so you know are we yeah one of your hilarious yeah yeah pranks with Sophie yeah I'll call her until you've been hit by a car that's actually quite funny that's the kind of stuff you do with her Got you.

5:48Got you. Why would you do that? Are you ready to be taken on a journey of a lifetime right now? Absolutely not. Were you about to? I know this is the deep dive podcast, but you're not going to Stephen Bartlett me. I'm not going to be able to have a seat. I regret that decision. You did cry quite easily. I did. I cried really easily. I was tired and off guard. And the guard is well up for this one. I think you're going to cry on this one as well To be fair, there may be tears So are you going to be vulnerable today? No, no, no, more like Will he ever let me out? Why am I still here? So the reason why For people who don't know why Jack is doing this podcast Isn't because your PR team Emailed or anything like that The reason is Because you owe me a favour I do, I owe you a solid You owe me a big solid.

6:45A really big solid. So what happened? We were at Glastonbury Festival having a merry old time. And it was one of my sort of first weekends away from my wonderful partner, Roxy, and my beautiful baby, Elsie. And because I was away at a music festival having a jolly old time, I decided that I would organize them a nice weekend with her sister, who also has a baby, and some of her other family and arrange for them to have a lovely weekend at Centre Parcs. So they were there going to Centre Parcs, they would have a lovely weekend, I would be at Glastonbury in a muddy field having a merry old time and it was the perfect plan.

7:31until Saturday afternoon when they were in the car on the way down to Centre Parcs. And I was in a field sort of two days into Glastonbury, very merry, and started getting some text messages and phone calls and looked down at my phone. And I called her back and she answered. And it turned out that she had arrived at Centre Parcs and I'd booked Centre Parcs for the wrong weekend. and she had driven for two and a half hours with her, my baby, and her niece as well, a newborn baby, and they were stood in a car park of Centre Parks. They wouldn't let them onto the property. They had nowhere to stay, no shelter for the night.

8:17This was at about 5.30 in the afternoon. And I would say one of the bleaker moments of my life, like I saw everything flash before my eyes. It was like muck, sweat, panic. I was not necessarily in the best state of mind to deal with such a crisis. And it went into full crisis mode. At a bar at Glastonbury, there was like a huddle called, like, what do we do? I am the worst parent and indeed human being ever. My partner and family are stranded in a car park at Centre Parks. They may perish this evening. And how do I rescue them? No shelter. so what happened next is I come back and I realise there's a big kerfuffle you sort of swan in I swan in and I'm realising that there's a big kerfuffle going on I'm just thinking right I can obviously help this I've never seen so many people just panic in every single situation it was proper panic stations initially I would say you were very unhelpful for the situation because it was a very grave situation and I don't think you understood the sort of severity of it because we were all there like seriously on our phones like trying to find somewhere that you know a hotel or anywhere that would turn airbnb and then you sort of like rock in with a big shit eating grin on your face and i was ready to party a pint of warm beer a pint of empathy i had a pint of empathy and charisma in my hand that's what i had that's i'll just start calling around hotels i was like i don't think that's going to be how you you but you did and you were very good you found a couple of hotels some of which were like in scotland and we're like no jimmy that's not gonna work so then what happened was as i said okay well where are they and you said where they were and i said well i have a mutual friend yeah who there's no route through this part of the story that doesn't suddenly get really like disgustingly privileged so so you just you just got gone darted go straight straight for the bullseye just go straight for it yeah go straight for it you were like i think i know the owner of longleat i'm like oh of course you do of course you do probably wanked off his uncle at charter house and you were like no no it's not actually that it's a it's a it's a it's i did strictly come dancing with Lady Emma Weymouth.

10:46Yeah. And I believe she is... The Countess. The Countess. Yeah, I think she's the Countess of Longleat. Of Longleat. So... So the Count called the Countess. I... And also, you at this time, you were thinking there's no way this is going to work. Yeah. You were thinking there's no way this is going to work. Yeah. I phoned her. She... I speak to her. We message each other. she comes to the rescue in the most brilliant way and then sets you guys up. Well, not you, but Roxy and everyone. Yeah. All up for the weekend. And I'm... Had a night in a manger with some giraffes. Long... What is Longly... It was like the Christmas story.

11:28What? When they knocked on the inn? They knocked on the inn and they had no room. But Lady Emma Weymouth said, there is a place where we keep the giraffes. It's a sort of manger and you can stay there for the evening. Longleat is like what a safari park in in near I would say sort of near the Cotswolds yeah yeah so I left so I left Glastonbury immediately got in the car no you didn't shut up I drove there and I took them from the car park and I drove them to Longleat where they stayed in the safari park and we all had a lovely weekend and I sacrificed the rest of my time at Glastonbury because I'm a good dad and a good partner it's actually the it's it's the complete opposite to that.

12:07When I walked into the scenario in this sort of caravan. I had to leave on the Sunday because I couldn't bear to be there while Shania Twain was on stage and you endlessly went on. You had to be dragged. There's my mate. Hey Shania, do you remember coming on the podcast? And she'd have been like, yeah. I think Shania Twain's name came out of your mouth maybe a thousand times on that weekend. Because I know her. And everyone else there. At one point you were going to call her and ask whether Roxy and Elsie could stay with her for the rest of the weekend in whatever accommodation Glastonbury had laid on for her.

12:41Yeah, I would just call Shania. You said this to me. You said we're in the caravan and I said, I think I can sort this out for you. Yeah. You said to me, I will do anything. Yeah. I will do anything. I think I actually said something a bit more graphic. I think you said, I'll give you a blowjob. No. I wasn't going to say. Maybe I would have done that anecdote back in the day with you and Franny Bull on the Private Parts podcast. But not now, not on this. No, not now, not on this. I did maybe say I'd go down on you. You did say something. And you said, well, instead of that, maybe just come on the podcast.

13:16I've got something worse than that. Will you come on my podcast? Similar experience to going down on you. And you said, yes. That would have been over a lot quicker. No, it wouldn't. I'd have made you suffer.

13:33I thought this was the highbrow one. You've got all these books. Yeah, I've got... Tell me about these books. Well, these are all the books. So Jack is pointing at our sort of room that we're filming in the set. And there's loads of books behind you. Have you ever read... A book? Have you ever read my autobiography? No, but that's presumably not on there. It's actually not up there for some reason. Do you have to just buy all of these books at the same time? Or do they come from someone else's house? No, this is what the books I've read. We want a set that has loads of books on it so it looks like it's a proper high-bound adventure.

14:05Producer Jemima says that we had to buy them by the kilo.

14:11That's amazing. When you... How many times have you used the sentence, I know the owner of Longley? How often have you used that flex? You've been using it probably all weekend and finally it came good. Swanning into Shangri-La. at 4am in the morning I know seeing someone with a tiger painted on their face oh you like animals I know the owner of Longley fuck off mate was um when you found out you were becoming a dad yeah what was that feeling like yeah amazing great scared nervous excited yeah scared nervous excited all of the above um and uh yeah it was sort of yeah completely overwhelming and then then you have months of uh telling people and all of your friends that have children themselves going oh my god just this is the best thing that's gonna ever happen to you and it's gonna completely change your life and they say that and they say that over and over again and then you have the baby and then uh you see your mates not for a months later and and then you see them again and they all go don't worry it gets better i was like you've changed your tune where was this where was this before where was this doom and gloom before they were like oh my god it's great it's fun you know kid it's gonna be great and then after it's like it gets better it's tiring isn't it you're like so you've been i've been tricked i've been tricked how tiring is it sorry how tiring is it because i'm in that process at the moment about thinking about it and my biggest fear at the moment is that it just totally changes everything and that your freedom is gone and all those different things and i get scared about that you'll be fine okay that's a lot harder for sophie i know i yeah i don't really really difficult but but then being a dad how has it changed you yeah i mean more becomes the focus of your of your world so it changes you significantly in in terms of having this like family unit that means more to you than anything else in the world so that's quite a significant change okay you have to we have to get serious for a second yeah because you're at the moment you're about to your new show on netflix about to be released yeah with your dad yeah what's this one called so new using the word new very loosely yeah well because it's it's it's i what i like about it is there's this theme that works you and your dad goes traveling you go traveling together and that travels with my father was an unbelievable series so good how many do you do four uh five in the end five in the end yeah and now you're doing sort of what you would describe as one sort of final one really yeah which is where well you explain it what happens i'll tell you actually how this came about was we'd been talking to Netflix about an appetite to do something again and we'd had an amazing time doing travels with my father.

17:26My dad had said that he found actually being on the road quite a lot and at his age he didn't think he was up to doing another sort of epic journey across you know Southeast Asia or the States and so he'd need to do something that was a little bit more, you know, pared back. And we'd been talking about various ideas. And I said, well, one idea I'd had was that we could maybe do something more in the documentary space and look into some sort of interesting topics that we both have a shared interest in, but we'd be approaching from very different angles. And we could do them as sort of like one-offs.

18:08And that's sort of what we went in and we pitched Netflix. and they went, yeah, I think that's a really interesting idea. I was like, great. Well, this is, again, in many ways, like the evolution of your podcasting career. You wanted to do something a little bit more highbrow. This was my version of going, let's get some books on the shelves behind me during the podcast. I'm going to do a highbrow serious documentary and that will elevate all of this. And then Roxy fell pregnant and Netflix were like, oh, it might be quite nice to maybe have a little bit of that, a little flavor of that. And I was like, right, this is, yes.

18:49Okay, we could maybe mention that and we could talk about that. I was like, maybe that could be the theme for the show as well. It could be all about fatherhood and then the other subject matter, you know, we could be sort of, you know, springing off from there. I was like, okay, you know, that's fine as a sort of overarching theme. I was like, then maybe we could film some stuff at the home with you and Rockton. I'm like, is this going to be a reality show? Is that that's what you're tricking me into doing? They've tricked me into doing sort of at home with the Furies. The Kardashians. The Kardashians.

19:17The Whitehalls. The Whitehalls. And Hillary's in there as well. And Michael's in there. And there's stuff in the kitchen. And we're sort of just chatting around the house. And I'm like, what? This was meant to be like really like, I wanted to be like Brian Cox. And now it's got very ITVB very quickly. so the show now is a sort of mishmash of yeah half like fly on the wall reality tv it's a reality show it's a reality show it's a reality show made in notting hill can i ask questions because i obviously do stuff with sophie and who anyone doesn't know is my wife um and look there's there's really great things about it right because you know each other so well and it's fun and you can riff with each other and that's a really great thing the negative is that we're married yes and that's a lot because you're then working together you're living together it's everything together and then politics come into play in lots of different spaces i don't think sophie and i really speak about that that much but it you know that does have its difficulties and it's definitely had that in the past a lot more than it does now you work with your dad and then your mom and barney your brother helps you you know managing you in lots of ways and so it's you know it's become over the course of you know how many years you've been doing comedy now 15 years that it's become a family affair in lots of ways what are the negatives of that well i mean with my with my father definitely feeling um sometimes like you know i need to sort of protect him and he is so much you know older than he was when we started doing this and his sort of energy levels and just his health you know i i'm very keen not to push him too far and so that's always a concern of mine and uh you know unlike any other show you have to be really careful with how you schedule it and and i'm always like oh we can film you know keep going and film day after day and travel and all of these things and so it has to be very very carefully managed for his welfare so that that that can be quite hard and on the occasions where I feel like I've sort of pushed him a little bit too far or he's so far out of his comfort zone that he's feeling uncomfortable then you feel a little bit guilty um so that that element of it is hard I suppose with family it means that you can like lean into stuff much easier but then you would probably have more arguments yeah we don't really have arguments but you certainly end up stressing about things that you would never stress about where you're filming a normal show with a fellow professional you know the whole filming process of doing stuff with my dad is all about like where he's going to be able to have lunch and like that will be the whole focus of the day is not not the content or the person we're interviewing or researching any of it or worrying about like how a scene is going to work it will all be about like whether we can finish in time to get him to a restaurant at one o 'clock where he can eat some decent food and have a glass of wine and then have an hour off and if he's had a decent enough lunch and has been given some alcohol then he might be willing to do a couple of hours in the afternoon before he then finishes at five and returns to a hotel which again there will have been extensive discussions about the quality of the hotel and whether it is going to be up to scratch because if it isn't then you might as well write off the following day because the whole day will be spent complaining about the hotel that he's had to sleep in and the lack of a decent lunch the day before and that whole thing is that and you gotta because i know michael very well as well that is actually what he's like what you see on the show and typically with like i know reality shows or or entertainment shows or shows which sort of show your personality they're kind of sort of volumed up in some sort of ways Michael is pretty similar yeah he's very similar he's very similar to what he's portrayed on the show and sometimes you get that sweet spot have you ever seen the footage of those Russian bear tamers it feels like that it feels like very high stakes is he the bear or the tamer he's the bear, I'm the tamer again ethical questions about whether I should be taming a bear but as the bear sometimes he performs but there's always the fear that he's going to turn on his tamer and rip him to shreds at any moment.

23:46And I feel like that every day when I'm filming with him. I'm only one prod away from having my face ripped off. You guys just, you know this, but for people who don't know, as a combo, it's such a great, it feels like a very strong modern comedy act, father and son, in a great way. And still, one of the scenes that lives completely rent-free in my mind is when you're on a train. And the steward. Steward. Well, he comes in. And you explain it. Well, he comes in and he introduces himself. As the steward. As the steward. And Michael goes, oh, thank you very much, Stuart. It's his name, Stuart. No, no, no, no.

24:32He's not called Stuart. We're in Vietnam. Does he look like Stuart? Oh, I thought he'd introduced himself and he was called Stuart. and he was called Stuart. And then that's again like a classic moment of my dad's where then for the rest of the eight-hour train journey, he keeps calling him Stuart. But then there's a, and I don't know if you can say this because maybe you told it to me in private once, but there was a, and maybe you can't if you can't, that's fine, but there was a scenario that happened in Chernobyl, wasn't there, with your dad? Was there a? Yeah, I mean, that was one of those moments where I did feel like I'd pushed him too far and he'd been traveling for hours and it was a really hot day and he was very dehydrated.

25:15And he had a sort of bit of a medical emergency at Chernobyl. In Chernobyl? In like the forest, like woodlands of Chernobyl as well. We were in a van and he had to pull over and had a bit of an explosive diarrhea situation, which culminated in me and Michael in the woods and me having to hold him as well because you can't lean on anything in Chernobyl because everything's radioactive. And they keep telling you that when you enter, don't touch anything. So I had to hold his hands and cradle him in my arms as he shat onto the forest floor. And that was the moment where I was like, I think this has gone too far now.

25:56It's the greatest image in the world. I know. It's scarred onto my memory. This is so undignified. That's what he said. I always remember it this is so undignified and there was a dog as well because there's feral dogs at Chernobyl so there was a dog trying to get at the shit genuinely I'm holding him a situation is happening and I'm also trying to shoo a dog away out of all of you guys why do you laugh at that? I just thought of something that he did on Friday that made me laugh because he cracks me up and we do share a very, very good sense of humour. I would say, you know, as you've met him, his sense of humour is quite, is dry.

26:44It's quite, at times, quite caustic. It's probably not particularly politically correct as well. So there's always the slight fear, not with a Netflix show because you can edit the Netflix show, but once he's then sort of let loose into the world, there is the fear that because he's an 84-year-old man that there is a gun like with a loaded chamber that could go off at any moment um so he's pretty good and he i think he gets it enough to know that he needs to have some kind of a filter but he you know is definitely capable of making some pretty rogue comments and we were on the one show on friday and he sat there basically in silence and i was like okay so we're gonna get the sort of joe biden michael whitehall just freezing up on live television which is fine i can take that that's that's absolutely fine because we're safe when he drifts off and he's not even like engaged in it but then we were on with the uh the women's um uh football manager emma hayes who's the coach of the she's amazing yeah and she was there talking about her book at seven o 'clock on the one show And at one point she started talking about a study that she'd done into women's health within sport.

27:59And she said, I did a whole study into the effect of menstruation on female athletes and how their periods affect their performance on the pitch. And I don't know whether it was deliberate, but I then felt Michael just tapping me on the leg. And I just felt him just nudge me with his knee. and I was just like no no whatever it is whatever the thought is whatever you're gonna just don't say it there is nothing that you can add to this conversation there's no funny comment just sit there and just just shush stay quiet but like that like I honestly like heart in mouth going what what was he gonna say like what was he gonna say on the one show having said nothing on the entire show but the one time he wants to pipe up is when emma hayes is talking about menstruation in women's sport no one wants to hear your opinion on that i like i wish i had that graham norton lever to just like tip him back on the sofa what was he gonna say and he won't even remember what he was gonna say now but and it could come out again like what we're gonna be doing press this week it may come out on another podcast without emma hayes there he might just suddenly come out with a comment about menstruation in women's sport.

29:14Oh, God, it's good. That's the double-edged sword of working with an 84-year-old. Yeah, but that's the best thing about it, that you're living on the edge. And maybe it was all in my head. Maybe he wasn't even tapping my leg. Maybe it was just a little sort of tremor. Maybe he hears the word menstruation. I think he was loaded ready to come out. The gun was red. The gun was fully cocked. Ready. Fully cocked. And he was going to think it was going to be genius. Yeah. And also, bearing in mind, the whole week in the run-up to The One Show, every conversation with my mum, with my publicist, with me, had all been about telling Michael not to make any comments about Jermaine G.

29:52Nass when he was on the show. And it was like, that was everything. Everyone was like, no, don't make that comment. I was like, no, but I thought it would be funny because I could say that maybe I could, you know, host the show and that I would be safe because I don't even know how to work my phone. I was like, no, no, no, that comment won't, that won't fly. They won't find that funny. just please that is like an area that we will not go anywhere near and he was like so who's hosting the show is like roman came oh is that the boy that's been in the papers like no that's not the boy that's been in the papers so please don't refer to him as the boy that's been in the papers or make any jokes to roman about how he's had a scandal just don't go anywhere near that and so you're focused so much on avoiding that and then he blindsides you because you weren't expecting menstruation in women's sport to come up and he's like right this is my moment this is it let's pull a pin on the hand grenade

30:45big segue for you quickly you've got to give an honest answer yeah what is your biggest fear? what is my biggest fear? and don't say Arsenal not winning the league or something lame like that don't go what did Ryland say? I didn't ask Ryland that question why didn't you ask Ryland that? I don't know why are you saving it up for me? Because I think with you, you have to be more direct. Where with Rylan, he kind of gives you the opportunity as Jack is resting his head onto the microphone. With you, you have to be direct. If I don't ask you a direct question, then you probably won't feel the ease to go into it.

31:23Snakes. There we are. A direct answer. You can't deny that. I find snakes really scary. Okay, fine. What keeps you awake at night? Thinking. Snakes under the bed. No, it's not. That there might be a snake under the bed. It does not. It does. I get terrified about snakes. Do you have a fear? Come on, what is it?

31:45I don't know. Fear. What is there a fear like? I think, what am I trying to say? I think the entertainment industry, right, is one of the only industries that is like you're constantly looking for the next job. You know, if you're a dentist, you've got your, you know, clients coming in all the time, hairdressers are the same. If you work in banks or you're an artist, you can kind of, you're kind of always waiting for someone, these gatekeepers, to give you your next role. Yeah. And that's quite tough, right? You're only as good as your last show, as your last gig, or your last movie, whatever it is.

32:21And you, you know, especially in a time now with like, television has changed, movies have changed. I've just seen that Clooney and Brad Pitt, you know, their movie they're doing on Apple, didn't give a theatrical release. And that's huge. it's Brad Pitt and Clooney are you kidding me and so this whole industry is changing does that ever put a little bit of like worry in you it's like it's becoming tougher and tougher this place yeah I mean obviously I have a degree of feeling anxious about what the next job will be and whether my next job will be you know received well and reviews and yeah you know putting yourself out there so you look at reviews still but I don't worry about that as much as I worry about snakes.

33:04Like, if you ask me which keeps me up at night more, like the career anxiety or the snakes, it would be the snakes. But are the snakes an analogy? Ah, do the snakes represent something else? Oh, there we go. Let's dig into the subconscious. Who are the snakes? Now we're getting into it. Who could they be? I think I will leave to our listeners' discretion. Do you know, anyone who knows you, and I give you a bit of credit here, Anyone knows you. And we have Toby, who's one of my best friends in the world, who's your brother-in-law. He always says, you are the hardest working person he knows. And I think that's a sort of idea of, maybe it's a misconception in the entertainment industry that it's kind of an easy life sometimes where you just go, you go on these road trips, you film it, you have fun, all that kind of stuff.

33:52But it's the whole history before that that leads to that. You know, you went to Manchester, you left Manchester to study textile. I didn't realise it was... Textiles. You studied textiles at Manchester. Well, I didn't deliberately study textiles. Why are you studying textiles? Love fabrics. When I saw that, I was like, what? I thought it would be English or something. I don't know. I know, I know. Textiles. Textiles. Well, it was meant to be art. It was meant to just be an art course. And then I got there and they were like, the whole first year is textiles. I was like, not really what I signed up for.

34:27But I didn't really want to even go to university. I only went because my mom and dad told me that I had to and that I couldn't just become a stand-up. But that's what I wanted to do. But that's the thing, right? I think the big misconception is, it's not a misconception, but the one thing that you always get, and maybe you can trample it down, but they always talk about Nepo babies and things like that. And because your dad was an agent, there's the misconception sometimes that you're handed things, which is totally false. does that annoy you? you all had a lot of opportunity and definitely having a parent that was in the industry it was hugely beneficial and he looked after big, big, big names Colin Firth, Daniel J Lewis guiding me he knew the industry and certainly if I'd wanted to become an actor I think he would have been very, very, very helpful and And so, yeah, you're definitely afforded a privilege from having a parent that's in the industry.

35:34But he slightly pushed me away from it because he looked after lots of actors that had been successful, but he'd also looked after a lot of actors that had really struggled. And so he knew that it was quite a cutthroat industry. So he encouraged me to go to school and wanted me to go to university and get a degree in qualifications. I don't know necessarily in textiles where they thought I could then become a what do you be a weaver or something I don't know whatever you become you just whittle baskets no I think there's a that's a separate course is basket whittling a knitter you become a knitter you and Tom Daley would have me and Tom Daley could have started a knitting business and done crochet or whatever but no he so he wanted me to have a more sort of um uh an academic path uh and uh but i went to the edinburgh festival when i was 16 and i saw comedy on stage and stand up for the first time and then completely fell in love with it then and uh then became obsessed with becoming a stand-up comedian and so started doing that what did you love about it what did you see and you love what is it um i i mean i i guess i yeah i love the sort of purity of it and the fact that you were up there able to talk about whatever you want not constricted to a script and it was just you and an audience and you were able to make them laugh in any way that you wanted to um and that felt very kind of liberating and exciting and uh also i guess i probably it appealed to me like at school i'd always liked acting and performing but i'd never really kind of i'd got into school plays and got little parts and this and that, but it always felt like I was sort of reliant on someone else's tastes or it was always at the sort of discretion of someone else in a casting process.

37:19And there was something great about stand-up about how you felt like you were more sort of in control of your own destiny and it was just you and a microphone and a stage. And so I think that probably appealed to me. I mean, I didn't realize at that point how hard it was to then get into it and work your way up through the sort of open mic circuit and i guess going back to the dad thing that's the bit that always used to i mean i don't really care now but when i was a bit younger it used to frustrate me the never baby thing and oh you've only got here because of your dad and i was like he's a theatrical agent that looked after a load of old like lovey actors in the 80s and the idea that he could just like call up a comedy club in the north of England and be like, hello, my son would like a 15-minute set this evening.

38:09If you could just pop him on the bill and then I would turn up there and would, yeah. I mean, it's the ultimate meritocracy as well, comedy, because you're either funny or you're not. And the minute you step on stage, it's like, you know, you're only as good as your material. And so I learned that very, very quickly and learned that if you were going to progress through the circuit you just had to work incredibly hard and keep writing and keep gigging and keep getting as much stage time as you can um so uh yeah i probably did there's i always find it an interesting thing right especially going to boarding school right you're quite confined and trapped at a boarding school and so being able to do something completely juxtaposing to that comedy which is like just yourself you can do whatever you want do you know something that with your comedy as well it's like i just want to do what i want to do rather than being told what to do yeah i mean definitely we go to those schools are very institutionalized and you know there's an there's a there's an appeal to the sort of anarchy of doing something like like stand-up and that's definitely kind of the appeal to doing comedy when i was at school i was anything that i did at school with my friends was always sort of had a sort of anti-establishment element to it and it was doing sketches or writing a heretic school magazine or going and doing like performances that we shouldn't.

39:31So yeah, there was definitely a lot of, I guess, like sort of petty rebellion at the beginning of my comedy career. And that was probably as a result of being at a very strict Christian boarding school. There's lots of things happened to Jack. Robert Patterson always got the parts. You got rejected from Harry Potter. it is really a hard knock life I know people have this misconception about me that it's just all been privileged but it's really tough when you're losing out on parts to Robert Pattinson my favourite thing is when you caught your sister Molly having a cigarette Jack caught his sister Molly having a cigarette and cried and told his parents my friend Freddie Seiborn's birthday because I didn't know she smoked and she reminded us of this story recently didn't she and i was very much of the opinion that i'm like 15 14 15 in the story but i think i was like 18 or 19 and molly was like 17 18 it was way too old for it to be acceptable to cry and then telltale yeah there's so many things that i was trying to paint myself as this really cool anarchic rebel stand-up comedian yeah actually i saw my is to smoke and I cried and told my mommy.

40:50Which then reflected quite nice because when we went to your show with your dad and there's a very funny video that comes up which is a very amazing sort of family video and you're all in the pool and there's Molly and Barney and your family and everyone's having a nice time and suddenly you get out of the pool and everyone realizes you're 16 and you've been swimming naked. A lot of nudity.

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42:55Do you think I'm more in line to be Bond than you are?

43:03You've had this discussion with me before What number did you think you are? I think I'm top thousand You think you're in the top thousand to be Bond?

43:15I don't think it's even possible to be in the top thousand though. I think they would just end the franchise and the character if they got to you.

43:26Who's 999? Spencer Matthews. I think he's more Bond villain. He's more Bond villain. Chasing Bond through the desert for days. Do you ever get envious of people? That was a weird segue from Spencer Matthews. but I'm just I'm thinking about it right do you ever get envious of Spencer not his marathon running no he's just got so much more endurance than you no he doesn't he does no he doesn't he ran 30 marathons in the desert you've never won run one if I put myself to it I reckon I could do it what you do you know how hilarious it would be if you did 31 honestly can you imagine it would be the end of the friendship if you just came out tomorrow and go I'm going to do 31 in the desert although you would probably keel over after the first.

44:16Do you ever get envious of people? Because I think the entertainment industry... Yes, obviously. Yeah, so... I'd be lying if I said I didn't. Because, you know, it's a competitive industry as well. And, you know, you're up for the same roles as other people. And there's parts that you want to play and jobs that you want to be involved in and you miss out on. So there's a degree of envy. I mean, you just need to make sure that it doesn't sort of eat you up. But I think everyone is not, you know, immune from that. who do you look up who do you look in the industry and you go yeah they're doing well I admire them what they've done careers that I sort of admire I like a lot of those sort of yeah I mean I like those comedians that have done comedy and then have sort of branched out and have quite you know Jim Carrey's and Steve Martin's and people like that who have been able to act in other things and have audiences see them Robin Williams is another classic example of that like has done some of the funniest movies ever but then has done some amazing dramatic turns as well sometimes underrated in acting yeah he's unbelievable yeah he's amazing i watched goodwill hunting again the other day yeah like it's it's his acting is unbelievable but why do i ask that question i think i asked that question because um you start out when you're you know like you said you go to fringe when you're 16 years old you then go well i want to go into comedy and you start doing comedy you drop out of your textiles course and you do that don't focus on that yeah i do focus on that and then and you then build up this incredible career and i think the only people ahead of you in touring just in comedy are like gervais peter k maybe michael mcintyre definitely michael mcintyre definitely michael mcintyre but in terms of ticket sales you're you're pretty up there you're in movies you know you're doing all these different things when do you look at yourself and go i feel pretty content okay i feel or does that never happen and what does success then look like to you when i have conquered the confectionery industry that is the one gaping not being look at you not being vulnerable i'm yet to launch my sweet business but when i do you will be looking over your shoulder mark my words i'll be launching it with you.

46:31I can't wait. But do you know, come on, but like, as in, when you first started out, what did you, you probably hoped that you could sell a hundred person seated room. Yeah. And then you start selling out the Apollo and then you start selling out the O2 and then you start touring the world and then you'll get, you know, do we ever become satisfied? No, one is never content. That's the lesson that you have to learn, isn't it? You'll never, I mean, maybe you do when you're like old and gray and tired and sat at home and content with what you've achieved and can just sit there and maybe write an autobiography or something and just enjoy your life and your family and sort of a comfortable life at that point but right now I still feel hungry and you know ambitious to achieve more and and I think whatever I do I'll always be kind of looking at what I can do next and what the next challenge will be and so yeah definitely with each of those um milestones in my career I've felt satisfied and felt a sense of achievement but I've always been looking to what I can do next to challenge myself and um you know I have no doubt that uh you know whatever the next kind of um success is I won't sort of rest on it and go well now that's that done i'm sure i'll then go right i want to now you know write a great movie or i want to um direct or i want to you know do something different i think i'll constantly be looking for for sort of more challenges and to find more fulfillment elsewhere knowing that i won't get that fulfillment when i reach that point and we'll be looking to the next thing why do you think that is it why do you think that drive that's actually quite do you know what that You asked me earlier and you tried to deep me and I, you know, segued out of it, how I've changed.

48:28But definitely since having Elsie, I think that is a nice new focus and it makes me slightly less obsessive about, like, finding that fulfillment through kind of, through work and through, you know, achievements professionally. I think, you know, coming home to her and Roxy every night it's like there's a satisfaction to that that definitely fills a bit of a void. That's all you're getting. Here he is. Welcome to the party. What do you think that void is then? Why is there a void? Oh, God, I told you that's all you're getting. You do your comedy and then you decide to go into acting. And that's kind of been what you've kind of always done.

49:10And you start drifting into it. And you kind of play these roles which are quite comedy roles. you know you do Jungle Cruise big huge movie with The Rock and Emily Blunt massive you've done The Big Red Dog Clifford The Big Red Dog you love that movie and you were great in it I liked your American accent thank you very much it was one of your favourite films I really liked it and it's successful everything's successful you could have had one of the books on these shelves it was based on a book Clifford The Big Red Dog is a big book. And so you do these big things, you do these movies and you've done obviously shows like Bad Education that you wrote and all this stuff.

49:54But then you've now done a new show, which is totally flipped on its head, where you're playing a psychopath. Yeah, well yes, I'm playing a very different part. It's very different to Clifford the Big Red Dog, put it that way. But yeah, it's a thriller for Amazon called Malice where I play a psycho nanny. Dude, that's sick. Did you enjoy playing it? Yeah, it was great. It was really fun and it was very intense and very challenging and a very long shoot. But give that to me. Mentally, because do you... I think you're a perfectionist and, in fact, I know you're kind of a perfectionist and you want everything to be detailed and you want not only your comedy or your performance to be so good and so they're going into something like this, you want it to just be...

50:43and it's a different role so you'll be disappointed in yourself if you didn't make it amazing you changed your body you got jack got ripped he got absolutely shredded to the point where i was asking photos of your body but why was it hard to go into something like that is it why is it mentally just because it's so out of my comfort zone i think with other stuff that I do when it's comedy or, um, you know, be it standup or doing the shows with my dad or, um, even, you know, doing movies where you're popping up as the sort of comic relief that all feels very in my kind of comfort zone. And I know what I need to deliver and I know how to, you know, make things funny and I know how to play those types of characters.

51:27And so I feel a lot of control in those situations. And when I stepped into doing this stronger I felt very out of control and felt very out of my depth in a really exciting way but it did mean I needed to lean on all of the other creatives and the director and did as much prep as I could and work with like you know an acting coach and a dialect coach and and did as much rehearsal as I could with the directors and talked to the writer endlessly about the scripts and the character and you know um like yeah just tried to really prepare myself as best as i could and there was a lot there was a fit it required a sort of physical transformation as well it was also the most like capable character i've ever played i normally play inept characters that aren't good at anything and are sort of clowns and doofuses and and with this this character was very adept at lots of different things and had lots of different skills that then you have to learn because you need to look adept at them on screen.

52:27So it was just like a lot and it required a lot of me. And I loved that and I thought it was an amazing experience to have that kind of challenge and to go into work each day and have to be like really, really focused and really engaged with the material. And it was very rewarding and hopefully it worked. That's the great unknown as well, is that they've shown me bits of it. I have no idea whether it's, I'm any good in it. Because again, I can tell if something's funny. I can't tell if it's, I don't know, plausible and engaging in a dramatic way. So you can do stuff and you go, no, that's good, that's funny.

53:06Yeah, that's entertaining. And I can say in an edit and I can go, right, we need to do this and we need to do that, cut this, cut that. But I can't, I find it quite hard to watch that back and be like, yeah. I mean, it had to just rely on other people's opinion, but they all seem to think it's good. So that's a good sign. why do you feel now is the time to step outside your comfort zone and do stuff like that? Because otherwise you just get stuck doing the same thing and especially as an actor, you know, the movie typecast. Well, you, cause you can always do that. I can always do that. And hopefully I'll be able to still play, um, you know, idiotic toffs, even if this doesn't work out for me.

53:47Um, I can step back into playing, um, very kind of, slightly heightened versions of myself in broad comedy material. But it feels like it would be great to have the opportunity to try and play some different characters because it makes it so much more interesting as a pursuit.

54:10Okay, last question for you. Ready for this? When is the Netflix show with your dad, when is it coming out? Is that the final question? No, I'm going to ask you. That's amazing. It's Tuesday the 10th of September. thank you so much this has been no it's not yet it's not it's not that yeah this is it so it's out at the moment so when this podcast releases out so you go onto netflix right now and go and watch it and trust me it's hilarious in every single way and you're going to love it so go and do that right now um do you think this is the last one with your dad yeah i mean i think so i sort of all assumed the last time we finished doing travels with my father that would be the end of doing stuff with my dad but sort of was surprised by how at 84 he's still full of beans and still you know just so with it and like capable and uh so partly as a result of that we felt confident that we were able to do this again and uh you know he's amazing i'm so in awe of how he's still able to deliver and he's still so on it and funny and has the energy and the ability to kind of...

55:21Because, you know, they are hard work, even though it sort of looks quite effortless, I think. They do take a toll. And so, you know, I don't know. I suspect probably not, just because, yeah, he's, you know, not getting any younger, but you know never say never like I love working with him I enjoy spending time with him so much um I love his company and uh yeah like I definitely feel a sort of pride in watching him work and watching him uh you know on screen and and knowing that people like love him that's been one of the weirdest things is sort of this like all you know all my career since I was 17 18 has been about trying to become a comedian and trying which is again like a very solitary thing and it's like you just you on stage you are the complete focus of the audience and it's as we've you know touched upon it's just you up there and them and it's all about like you making them laugh and you being funny and it's a very in a way like narcissistic um like pursuit and that's been like this focus of mine and then doing this stuff with my dad which has sort of been a side project that has taken over everything i've like slipped into this role of the sort of straight man and like feeding him and allowing him this sort of place to shine and he really is the sort of star of that show um and i and i and i've and i've loved that and and i've loved you know and i take great pride in it even when it's lots of people coming up to me going where's your dad and oh oh yeah, your dad's so much funnier than you, which is what I get all the time now.

57:02But I feel like a real kind of glow when people say it, even though it's sort of the most backhanded compliment about your work that you could possibly get. But I really, really enjoy working with him and him having this sort of like latter life. It's not even a renaissance because it's just like he'd never done anything before. so it's it's just like it's uh it's great um it's great to be able to do it and uh yeah so i i wouldn't say no to doing something else with him but i don't know what it will be i mean i think like we're doing some i think we're doing some live shows and next we're gonna play um we got asked to do the carnegie hall in new york wow yeah for the for their comedy festival and i was like we don't really have a show but my my mom was like you've got to do that so we're gonna we're going to go to Carnegie Hall and do a, I mean, I don't know what it will be.

57:59It'll be an hour and a half of my father talking about menstruation and women's sport for all I know. What have you got to get off your chest, Michael? Jackie, thank you for doing this. Thank you very much. We've got eight questions. What? Yeah, quickly. It's quickfire. Okay, okay. It's really quickfire. Shock. Was there a quickfire option with the other questions? No. I could have done them all quick fire no you couldn't you're not allowed are any of them about textiles no nothing because I'll be out of my depth if they are you've got to be honest with these ready here we go I've been honest with all of the questions I know you have I know you have I'm just saying just quick answers here we go you've become like very school teacher at the end here what's the saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up one I heard the other day just because Elsie's at that age now bit of dirt never hurt which is you know you've got to let them play around in their modern in their own shit Get ill a few times for them to build resilience.

58:58Best compliment anyone's ever given you? You're funnier than your dad. Great one. I don't think anyone's actually ever said that, but someone will come up one day and say, oh, I love your show with your dad. You're so much funnier than him. What scares you most about yourself? Did I become a snake? No, I don't know. What scares me most about myself? a doctor told me I'd just had Elsie and so I think I this was before like going to the gym for that part and I'd sort of just given up for a bit and the dad bod had set in and they'd been drinking wine every night and I went to a doctor and he told me that I had pre-gout and that was a big wake up call my dad had gout and I've made jokes about him having gout relentlessly on our shows and for a doctor to tell me that I was pre-gout which is not It doesn't even really sound like a thing, does it?

59:52Because technically, I guess we're all pre-gout, aren't we? Pre-gout. Pre-gout. But now I am post-pre-gout, I'm proud to say. And I didn't have gout. Very Henry VIII. Mm. Mm. When was the last time you cried and why? I cry a lot at films and television. What do you cry at? Oh, I cry at anything. Love is blind. No, you won't. Yeah, I would. You'll cry at Love is Blind? Yeah, I could cry at Love is Blind. I cried at... I remember the... I think the worst one was I cried... And this is actually a big thing when I was having Elsie, is I was worried that I wasn't going to cry at the birth. And I cried at the birth, thank God.

1:00:26But I cry at everything. I cried watching an episode of Tipping Point once because she wanted to win money to go on holiday to Australia to see her daughter who was there. And Ben Shepard really built it up. And then she didn't win. And then I was like, she was tearing up and I was tearing up. and this was like a couple of months before Elsie arrived and I remember watching it and then afterwards going, if I cry at an episode of Tipping Point but I don't cry at my daughter's birth, then I'm a monster. There was a moment, Richard Osman told me that when they were doing a million pound drop, there was a lady on it and she was an older lady and she built up all this cash.

1:01:09I think she had 230 grand or something left and she got the wrong answer and it all dropped and it was the most upsetting thing and then the next day they got an anonymous donation to the lady of 230 grand and they found out it was George Michael. Really? Yeah. I did a million pound drop with my dad and we won the most money that's ever been won on the show. £350 ,000. Did you? Yeah, for a charity. That's insane. And he was amazing. He was like, we went on, he was completely impenetrable to any pressure. Are you serious? He just answered every question with conviction. I can't wait to watch it.

1:01:44The minute he was asked it and he just went, no, it's A, it's B, it's C and he was so good and I was like, oh God, I don't know, maybe it's that no, but then again, and I was, you know, in my own head and he was brilliant and we won 350 grand and then afterwards Davina did the interview with us and she was, oh my God, Michael, you were so good how were you able to be so composed during that show? I mean, most people crumble under the pressure and he was like, well, I guess at the end of the day it was for charity so I didn't care as much and I was like, that is not, that's not what you should say after you've just won 350 grand for your charity, for the charity that you are playing for.

1:02:20And he was like, well, it's true. But if I was playing for my own money, then obviously I may have got a few more of them wrong when I just said the answer that I thought it was. And there we are. What's something you can't let go of? Probably Arsenal. Yeah, Arsenal. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I can't let go of Arsenal. And I can't let go of it sort of slightly ruining my weekend. And I wish, again, like, as we've mentioned family refocusing your what's important to you and what what really matters in life but still going to games and getting annoyed and worked up and sad and and uh that that's quite frustrating what's something you'd be embarrassed for people to know you like or want i think you quite like reality tv yes okay i think you do yeah i think you really like that yeah yeah i really do I like I really like reality television I do I like that is genuinely the guilty pleasure is Made in Chelsea which I will watch it is it 100 % is and it's actually because Roxy is pretty open to reality television but she won't watch Made in Chelsea I think because she finds it triggering because everyone sounds like my mates and so I have to watch it when she's out of the house and it's again I'm so guilty of watching it that I don't want her to see it on the sky thing so I'll have to watch it and then delete the episodes that I've watched and then not even say that it's a guilty pleasure, but I do watch a bit of Made in Chelsea.

1:03:45Who's your favourite character on MIC at the moment? Do you know any of them? I love, well, I don't know if they're still on it, but I love the really aggressively schweffy blokes. What's he called? The one, the lifestyle coach. Julius. I get a bit of Julius Cowdery into my veins. I saw him playing paddle tennis next to me Starstruck It was him and one of the other bros and there was a lot of butt patting after winning points and I was like, I want to be over there playing with them but yeah, all about the Cowdery What turns you off? What turns me off? My head now is just full of snake callback I'm just like just play nice my biggest turn off in life what is it I don't want to answer for you but for me mine is like I'm really not good with rudeness towards other people I don't like that that's my biggest turn off probably yeah I think probably people that call me out on my rudeness to other people I like being rude to people that's as well by the way it's so unfair I keep coming back to my dad but I always think it's so unfair about him is that like I have a public persona where I have to be nice to people as do you and not that I'm not nice to people but it means you just have to make sure that you're careful to be nice to people even if you're having a bad day or you're feeling tired or you you know you can't be bothered you just have to make sure you remember to be like courteous and that this is a experience that someone will have and they won't know about whatever you're dealing with so just be nice so you know that's not all the time every now and again you have to remind yourself of that my dad can just be rude to everyone and they love it and he can genuinely be rude they think he's doing a bit and he's actually turning the fuck off or get out of his way or stop talking to him and then oh my god he's doing it he's like ah that's so great and they love it they absolutely love it we took him to the cricket the other day and there was all these people coming over and swarming him for photos and autographs and stuff and he just wanted to get out of there and go home and he told someone to get the fuck out of his way and And Barnaby was like, is that a problem?

1:06:03Because I think they were filming him at the time. It was like, they roared with laughter as he said it and thought he was doing it as a joke. It's like amazing. He's doing a bit. He's doing a bit. He's doing a bit. He just called my wife a cunt. Oh my God, he's amazing. Oh, Michael, you're so funny. He's so quick, the way he does it. It's like, no, no, he genuinely meant that.

1:06:30what's your biggest turn on turn on i don't know what what like in the bedroom whatever you want figure out my ass i don't want you yeah there we are there's your clip i know yeah i know i picked the same answer as rylan no right did shania twain say that what do you like most about having a finger up the ass i know it just sort of feels quite this is the last one what do you like most about yourself what do i like most about myself yeah i mean in a way my ability to not take everything that seriously i do find it a quite helpful um way of sort of going through life and being able to laugh at situations and if you can just sort of have an abundance of humour with everything and sort of just try and find the funny in even bleak situations or stressful situations then it is a very liberating way of living a life so that would probably be my superpower bonus favourite swear word what?

1:07:41we ended on a sort of deep note it was a boring way to oh my god

1:07:49I don't know like a fuck trumpet or a cockwomble or what's other another good curse cockwomble a cockwomble oh I like I like it when people refer to places as buttfuck nowhere I like that I like referring to somewhere as or in the middle of buttfuck nowhere Jack Whitehall thank you so much thank you very much for coming on Great Company I adore you thank you very much thank you dear

1:08:23That was lovely. It was great, right? That was really lovely. Very funny. He's so funny. And that story of his dad in Chernobyl. So good. So good. My God. But also, he was really open. He was open. He was open. Apart from you get mentioning snakes. Apart from the snakes. Guys, I hope you enjoyed it. As always, we're going to be back next week with another episode. If you could please subscribe or follow this show wherever you're listening to it. It does us so much help. I cannot explain how much it does. And also, you can get in touch with us over email at... Greatcompany at jampopproductions.co.uk Everything is in the show description, or you can slide into our DMs on Instagram at Great Company Podcast.

1:09:02Until next week, Jemima. Hoot hoot. That is the owls. Owls assemble. And goodbye. Owl. Owl are wonderful listeners. Our wonderful listeners. Jemima likes to dub you all that. So owls, until next week, we'll see you then. Hoot hoot. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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1:10:05Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Hello everyone, we're Jamie and Sophie. You may remember us from Nearlyweds and then Newlyweds. But now guys, things are about to get even wilder as we take on our biggest adventure yet, becoming parents. Yeah, that's right. Newlyweds is now Nearly Parents and we're bringing you the same honest, heartwarming takes on our journey to parenthood, I guess. Join us as we find out what it really means to become a family while trying not to kill each other. Get ready for Nearly Parents, your favourite new podcast.

1:10:44Thank you.